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Accepting Paypal friends & family/gifting payments on CAG. (Updated 6/15/2016)


#1 shrike4242   Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else. CAGiversary!   47932 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 January 2010 - 10:25 PM

(Update: 6/15/2016)

  • Friends & Family/Gifting via Paypal will be allowed for all digital transactions (Digital games, codes, currency, etc).
  • Friends & Family/Gifting via Paypal is still prohibited for physical items. You can not force the buyer to pay your fees either. You have the option to choose another form of payment if you do not want to accept Paypal or remove your trade post.
  • Buyers can leave negative feedback if seller accepts Paypal(physical items only) but forces you to use friends & family/gifting only. Retaliatory negative feedback from the seller will be remove upon request from a moderator.
  • Sellers that consistently have negative feedback due to this reason will be suspended from the trade forum.

 

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#2 Young Deezy   I wipe my own ass CAGiversary!   1740 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 January 2010 - 11:44 PM

Aww fo sho

#3 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 26 January 2010 - 11:45 PM

Alright, I guess I'll be the one to ask: Why the sudden concern with this? I think most people understand the risks of gifting payments, and it's always by mutual consent. Was there some sort of complaint from paypal?

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#4 Ryukahn   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3668 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 January 2010 - 11:59 PM

This is a bummer. I too am curious as to why this is now an issue. Seeing this I'll have to reprice some of my items since I was listing them with the assumption that it would be paid via a gift payment.

#5 DAWG26   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2299 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 12:09 AM

I only do gift as payment with CAGs that Im comfortable with and have high feedback.

#6 MikeBastard   Buffo Manipulator CAGiversary!   2520 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 12:30 AM

Alright, I guess I'll be the one to ask: Why the sudden concern with this? I think most people understand the risks of gifting payments, and it's always by mutual consent. Was there some sort of complaint from paypal?


Shrike left a message in my thread where I was asking for gift paypal for a PS3. Of course I would have accepted non-gift paypal and it would have only been 8 bucks more for a close to $300 purchase. I can see not doing gift for that purchase, but it's annoying for an item that might only cost a few bucks. Oh well, rules are rules I suppose.
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#7 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 12:35 AM

Shrike left a message in my thread where I was asking for gift paypal for a PS3. Of course I would have accepted non-gift paypal and it would have only been 8 bucks more for a close to $300 purchase. I can see not doing gift for that purchase, but it's annoying for an item that might only cost a few bucks. Oh well, rules are rules I suppose.


So we can blame you? :D

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#8 formerroadie   Disgaeaversity CAGiversary!   834 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 12:35 AM

time to start getting certs from amazon ;)

#9 Ryukahn   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3668 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:05 AM

Shrike left a message in my thread where I was asking for gift paypal for a PS3. Of course I would have accepted non-gift paypal and it would have only been 8 bucks more for a close to $300 purchase. I can see not doing gift for that purchase, but it's annoying for an item that might only cost a few bucks. Oh well, rules are rules I suppose.



Wow, you wanted people to gift you hundreds of dollars? lol

If people were actually wanting/expecting this then I can totally understand banning such payments here. I thought people only used it for when they were buying a game or something, at least that's the only time I expected gift payments. Sure as heck wouldn't expect people to do that for the DSi I have been trying to sell, heh.

#10 Bronson-Lee   VitaTag:GoForBroke94 CAGiversary!   2091 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:19 AM

Paypal takes fees because they do the transaction, but they also protect the seller and the buyer in that case; with gifts, they don't. Use the normal one. It helps!

#11 saetia   Skyrim 11/11/11 CAGiversary!   1045 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:21 AM

I changed my Lowball rules to reflect this policy.
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#12 formerroadie   Disgaeaversity CAGiversary!   834 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:24 AM

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#13 Karma Is a Bish   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1557 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 01:52 AM

I have a student account so I only have one payment option and I think it's a payment that doesn't have fees but isn't a gift so am I still okay?
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#14 PlayableMoogle   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   622 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:36 AM

I prefer to pay others with the fees on top of the purchase, honestly, and try to suggest the same (although I have also suggested gifting as an option).

I kind of like this rule. It keeps us honest.

And yeah, I'm a goody two-shoes.

#15 Reikon   Packrat CAGiversary!   229 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:46 AM

This is why I've been trying to promote Amazon Payments for so long, but nobody wants to use it. There are no fees for either side.

#16 mistymayem   I like video games. CAGiversary!   928 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:49 AM

Yea, I have a student account too and the only option is to send money which I think is a gift. I don't mind taking the risk of sending it as gift but I don't know what to do if gifting is not allowed anymore :(
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#17 EnronLackey   Fake-Rage Hater CAGiversary!   830 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:58 AM

This is why I've been trying to promote Amazon Payments for so long, but nobody wants to use it. There are no fees for either side.


humm .. news to me .. I will look into this ^_^

#18 AModestLion   Established in 1989. CAGiversary!   7501 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 02:58 AM

I think it should be user's choice, both sides, if people want to put their necks out, let them. Long as they know they will get no support from paypal/cag if anything were to happen.
People are going to sneak around this rule regardless. I know it's made to keep less bull shit from coming from this, but if anything, I'd just leave this sticky as a warning rather than a rule.


#19 dodgeme   Shadow the Hedgehog CAGiversary!   2736 Posts   Joined 8.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 03:14 AM

I personally haven't had in issue with people on here yet so I have payed with gift payments. Saves me money and that is all that matters at this point.
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#20 DigitalNerd   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   595 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 03:31 AM

I think it should be user's choice, both sides, if people want to put their necks out, let them. Long as they know they will get no support from paypal/cag if anything were to happen.
People are going to sneak around this rule regardless. I know it's made to keep less bull shit from coming from this, but if anything, I'd just leave this sticky as a warning rather than a rule.


I agree. I'd rather do gifts most of the time if the CAG is trusted.

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 03:48 AM

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#22 Lucavious   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   60 Posts   Joined 10.1 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 04:07 AM

Gah, I just sent a payment as a gift before this thread got posted. Will do it normally in the future.

#23 token2k6   LG FUAD CAGiversary!   4481 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 04:46 AM

I think it should be user's choice, both sides, if people want to put their necks out, let them. Long as they know they will get no support from paypal/cag if anything were to happen.
People are going to sneak around this rule regardless. I know it's made to keep less bull shit from coming from this, but if anything, I'd just leave this sticky as a warning rather than a rule.


this. If you're gonna get burned, you're gonna get burned...I have had maybe 3 trades where fees were covered, yet, 56 positive trades. Only burned by one guy, but that was early on..guy was banned from here, that is good enough for me. I'm all for the rule change, but maybe a price limit would have been nice. What about covering fee's on a $1 DLC code? that's a little crazy..
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#24 AModestLion   Established in 1989. CAGiversary!   7501 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:15 AM

If someone was going to scam, especially a big amount, couldn't they just close their paypal account after taking the money out from their bank or spending it even if it wasn't gifted?
Like the guy mentioned above - if they're going to do it, they're going to do it. I know you have a slightly better chance with some paypal support, but I have heard nothing but horror stories about that anyways.

Best bet in my opinion anyway, is to do simply what we've all been doing for awhile now, using instincts and the feedback system.
Not 100% fail-safe, but the best tools we can use.

Regardless, this is just 1 CAG's 2 cents. To be fair, I think a poll should be implemented, like we normally do for some decisions.
Or are all the mods and cheapy reinforcing this, so no say in it at all?
Don't want to make it a bigger issue than should be, but it doesn't hurt to see our options.

Edited by Sparta, 27 January 2010 - 05:33 AM.


#25 JP   Member of the Ravens Nation! Trade-in Value Team   7923 Posts   Joined 8.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 05:31 AM

I'm assuming this would affect the people who do the 4-packs on Steam as well? Those seem to fit under the section personal payments because it is similar to paying someone back for their portion of a lunch bill except this is for a game bill.

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#26 Arakias   Inferior Potassium CAGiversary!   3627 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:05 AM

I dont see why this should be a concern on CAG. Whether or not people send gift or not is up to the agreement between transactors. Obviously and hopefully the buyer knows the logic of paypal. Mods should have no reason to enforce it.

#27 Vendetta_x360   Hunter Master Race CAGiversary!   7453 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:27 AM

I dont see why this should be a concern on CAG. Whether or not people send gift or not is up to the agreement between transactors. Obviously and hopefully the buyer knows the logic of paypal. Mods should have no reason to enforce it.


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#28 GogetaSS4   Super Saiyan 4 CAGiversary!   1381 Posts   Joined 8.0 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:41 AM

This is why I've been trying to promote Amazon Payments for so long, but nobody wants to use it. There are no fees for either side.


I have Amazon Payments so I guess I will try and use these for transactions on here if they want to.

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#29 shrike4242   Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else. CAGiversary!   47932 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:49 AM

First off, there's been an increase in this in the recent months, and when it's been cropping up, I've commented on it and reminded people about the issue. It's not just one single event that happened today to prompt this, but something that's been a growing trend.

Secondly, it's stated clearly in Paypal's user agreement that Personal payments aren't for the purchase of items, only for the sending of money without any item exchange or purchase attached to it. They have Purchase Payments designed for that.

Third, if there's an issue and it's a Personal payment that's involved with the purchase of an item, Paypal won't do anything to work with the aggrieved party. Their fees are what cover their involvement in issues with scams and other issues.

Fourth, as it's been pointed out previously, there are other methods of payment used besides Paypal, such as Amazon Payments. Other CAGs use Amazon gift cards as payment for item purchases, as well as the other options of physical payments.

If I want to use Paypal for my payment transactions, I have to agree to their UA and not skirt them by sending payments for purchases that aren't supposed to do it by that means. I've done it myself once or twice, and then started reading about issues in Paypal's user forums about this being something that Paypal won't do anything about if there's an issue. They clearly state in their UA that Personal payments aren't for purchases of goods/services/eBay items/etc., and wash their hands of the issue. I looked into the UA and found that they spell it out clearly about Personal Payments not being used for purchases.

I know people have had issues in the past with Paypal in regards to disputes, though again, you don't always have to use them for payments. Also, you can mark that the payment doesn't need shipping, if it's for something that won't be physically shipped.

We're not the small site we were numerous years ago. There's plenty of user base here, and with any increase in userbase, there's an increase in people that try to make a fast buck on a scam. Closing out one possible avenue for issues is something that helps all of us.

#30 Vendetta_x360   Hunter Master Race CAGiversary!   7453 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 January 2010 - 06:51 AM

Understood shrike.

Guess I will be looking into amazon payments now. Fuck PP and their fees...

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