CAGFC (UFC 2010 League) - 9/25/10 - CAGFC25: MELTDOWN (fights due by 9/30)

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

We're Baaaaaaaack!!!

Hello everybody! Welcome to the official home of the CheapAssGamer Fighting Championship! Brought to you by n8rockerasu! With the impending release of UFC Undisputed: 2010, it's only natural that we CAGs lock ourselves in the octagon and throw down! For all intents and purposes, this will be similar to any other online sports league you've been a part of. The difference is, this is man against man. No seasons. No schedules. No AI teammates. No one to blame but yourself.

WHAT IS CAGFC AND HOW DOES IT WORK?

CAGFC is short for Cheap Ass Gamer Fighting Championship. At its core, CAGFC is a league for the soon-to-be released Xbox 360 game UFC Undisputed: 2010. But we strive to exceed the limitations of a typical sports league. Rather than relying on team play or a points system, CAGFC will mimic a real world fighting organization. We use custom fighters that you create in the NON-CAREER portion of the game, and rely on a ranking system based on the fighter's CAGFC record and their overall rating. This allows us to schedule competitive weekly cards, making sure that the right fighters are matched up against each other. We have five weight divisions, which are as follows:

Heavyweight (over 205lbs - 265lbs)
Light Heavyweight (over 185lbs - 205lbs)
Middleweight (over 170lbs - 185lbs)
Welterweight (over 155lbs - 170lbs)
Lightweight (over 145lbs - 155lbs)

There is a champion in each division. This champion is required to defend his belt once a week or he will relinquish it and the top two contenders will battle for it (unless he notifies either CAGLeagueSports or n8rockerasu of the absence in advance, so that arrangements may be made). This system allows flexibility, not only for CAGFC, but for its members as well. If you want to take a break from scheduled matches so you can work on your fighter, you're free to do so at any time. Your absence might cause a slip in the rankings, but it doesn't hurt your online career or your standing with CAGFC. This is YOUR fighting career. It's up to you what you make of it.

HOW DO I SIGN UP?

As stated, we have an on-going sign up here. Anybody who wants to join CAGFC may do so at any time by posting the following fighter information:

XBL Gamertag:
Name:
Height:
Weight:

CAN I SIGN UP MORE THAN ONE FIGHTER?

Yes, we allow members to compete in multiple weight classes by having multiple fighters. There are four requirements for this, however, which are as follows:

1. Each of your fighters must compete in a different weight class.

2. Like with your original fighter, your additional fighter(s) must be created in the NON-CAREER portion of the game.

3. Members will be limited to a maximum of 3 created fighters. By competing in multiple weight classes and having multiple fights per week, it increases your level of responsibility to CAGFC and the other fighters. The more fighters you add, the greater the risk for fights going uncompleted and simply cluttering the weight division. We feel that having 3 fighters is enough for anyone to feel very active in CAGFC.

4. Before adding an additional fighter, each of your current fighters must have 2 CAGFC fights. For example:
Fighter A - Can be added at initial sign up
Fighter B - Can be added once Fighter A has 2 fights
Fighter C - Can be added once Fighter B has 2 fights

By meeting these requirements, you will demonstrate that you can handle controlling multiple fighters in CAGFC and will be rewarded with a very active and enjoyable experience. Thank you for your cooperation!

WHEN DO I FIGHT?

Weekly cards will be posted on Fridays, with the deadline for those fights being the following Thursday at 11:59 PM EST. All fighters will be put on the card unless CAGLeagueSports or n8rockerasu is notified in advance that you do not wish to fight that upcoming week. Any fighter who is placed on a card will either have to fight or forfeit and receive a loss. If you miss a fight, your participation in the league will be reviewed, and you may not appear on another card until your activity in the thread increases. Lower ranked fighters will fight other lower ranked fighters, with continuous opportunities to move up in the rankings. The top 3 contenders will be eligible for a title shot at any time.

Title fights should be set up by the defending champion and set for a length of 5 ROUNDS.

The results of your fights should be posted in this thread by both the winner and the loser (to maintain accuracy) in the following format:

Winner | Loser | Decision (ie. KO, TKO, submission, unanimous decision, split decision) | Time/Round

WHAT THE FANS ARE SAYING

[quote name='Yanksfan']I don't have this game, but this is a pretty bad ass thread.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Tuffgong']BTW, thanks for organizing this. Makes a fun game even better, and really nice job on the graphics and layout of the original post. Well done sir! *claps*[/QUOTE]
[quote name='fazfznz']Thanks for setting up this league man! Also the artwork is pretty sick.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']The Xbox 360 has a CAGFC league for UFC Undisputed 2010, and it looks great, but why is there nothing for the PS3 side of things? Just wondering, considering I think the CAGFC looks like a great thing to be a part of....[/QUOTE]

***IMPORTANT: Unlocking Online Play***
Just want to give everybody a heads up, the code to unlock online play is on the back of your manual. You should probably try redeeming it before you even start the game because if not, the game tells you that there is DLC available for update before you even reach the menu, and then takes you to the XBL store where it appears ready to use points to purchase the update. I thought I remembered a screen asking if you had a code, but I didn't see one and was all the way at the "Confirm Download" option and it showed the download costing 400 points. If you get this far, you have to press X (I think it's X anyway) to "Buy Microsoft Points", and then you can choose "Redeem Code", which will then let you put your code in. I did it this way, but it would seem like less hoops to jump through if you just did it before you even booted the game up.

Current Show - 9/25/10 - CAGFC25: MELTDOWN

*Title fights should be set up by the defending champion and set for a length of 5 ROUNDS

Past Updates

9/18/10 - CAGFC24: OVERLOAD

9/11/10 - CAGFC23: REVOLUTION

8/28/10 - CAGFC22: VICTORY

8/21/10 - CAGFC21: HIGH STAKES

8/14/10 - CAGFCXX: NUCLEAR

8/7/10 - CAGFC19: RIVALS

7/31/10 - CAGFC18: MAYHEM

7/24/10 - CAGFC17: UNRATED

7/17/10 - CAGFC HW & WW

Heavyweight
E. Honda (moojuiced) vs. Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq (Bubba Thrust) *HW Title*
Fedor Emelianenko (MGFanjay) vs. Lincoln Burrows (Frankysox)
Gail Pennyfeather (X MattYoung X) vs. Thomas -EBM- Bruso (n8rocker82)

Welterweight
Simeon Lamhov (Bubba Thrust) vs. Aaron Alvarez (MGFanjay)
Nate Lisa (n8rocker82) vs. E. Honda (moojuiced)
Jack Locke (Frankysox) vs. Matt Young (X MattYoung X)

Results
Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq | E. Honda | KO | 2:30 of Rd 1
Lincoln Burrows | Fedor Emelianenko | D
Thomas Bruso | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 4:30 of Rd 2
Simeon Lamhov | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 0:40 of Rd 1
Nate Lisa | E. Honda | KO | 1:49 of Rd 2
Matt Young | Jack Locke | Tapout (Rear Naked Choke) | 2:30 of Rd 1

Since there's no stats screen or way to prove if you're using a juiced or even a career fighter, if you're accused of cheating twice, you're out. There's no prizes here. Fight with respect.

6/5/10 - CAGFC16: REBIRTH

Winner | Loser | Decision | Time/Round

5/31/10 - Non-Career CAFs it is! Sign up NOW!

After doing a few fights last night with the Non-Career CAF I created, I think those would probably be the better option for us right now. Yeah, they're not quite as fast and not quite as skilled, but you can still make a pretty decent fighter...and it's guaranteed to be fair to everyone. Not to mention, all it takes is 5 minutes and you're up and running...which is something I think the league needs. There will be no min/max stats, so create your guy as you see fit.

So, at the least, we'll start out with Non-Career CAFs, and leave the possibility of switching to Career CAFs down the road if there's ever a need to. Everybody feel free to sign up your fighters by posting the following information:

XBL Gamertag:
Fighter Name:
Height:
Weight:

I'd like to have a tournament underway by Friday.

5/29/10 - Vote on CAF System

I did some more research last night into what moojuice suggested about possibly using non-career CAFs. As I had heard, the points available for non-career CAFs is very limited. I'm going to outline both options below so people can vote on which one they want to use.

Non-Career CAFs
Attributes Average (strength/speed/cardio): 57/57/58
Skills Average (striking, takedowns, submissions, etc): 65

No min/max or min/max of 30/75

Pros
Guaranteed equal amount of points available to everyone
Ability to change ratings between fights to fit next opponent's style

Cons
Weaker fighters/Lower points available
Less skilled fighters/No advanced moves (as far as I know)

OR

Career CAFs
Attributes Cap: 250 point total (average of 83)
Skills Cap: 1280 point total (average of 80) with min/max at 50/90

Pros
Stonger fighters/Available points are based on how well you do in career
More skilled fighters/Moves learned from fight camps carry over

Cons
Stats are locked in based on how you set up your career

Feel free to weigh in (pun blatantly intended) on how you would like CAGFC to function. I'd like to get things moving as soon as possible.

5/24/10 - Game Out Tomorrow! Preliminary Sign Ups!

All right, even though there's a lot we won't know or be able to do until the game is out, there's no reason we can't start with some preliminary things to start getting ready. So, here we go.

I have a general idea of how I want to do things, but I want to get everybody's opinions. Last year, we started out with a tournament in each weight class to determine the initial champion and rankings. Do we want to do that again this year, or start based on how last year finished? (ie. who held the belts, rankings, etc) There's a few problems I see with the latter method. 1. Probably not everybody who had the game last year will be getting it again this year. 2. Some of the people who did have the game last year might want to create different fighters this year and/or start off in a different weight class. 3. A couple of the belts finished up being vacant anyway. Taking all of this into consideration, I would think starting fresh with a tournament would be the best option. What do you guys think?

The only other thing I'll tell people is until we get a good grasp on what the ratings limits will be, try not to go too far into your career for the first week (or at least until we have enough info to set up any rules or caps that may need to be made). It might sound crazy asking people to not beat the game in a week, but I'm not sure how much deeper this year's career mode is than last years (30-35 fights). And people flew through that pretty quickly.

Actually, if you do have a lot of time, and want to burn through a quick career (with the potential of possibly not being able to use that fighter...depending on how crazy his stats get), I could use your help. Anybody who wants to help me with testing and researching to see if any blatant exploits pop up, you're more than welcome. My goal this year is to keep this thing as fair and competitive as possible, without having any ridiculous super CAFs. It would be great if the game kept that in check automatically, but I've learned to never underestimate people's ability to cheat.

So, with that, if people would like to begin signing up, we can start getting an idea of how our weight classes might look. That's basically all the information I need right now. Just if you're interested in participating and what weight class your fighter is going to be in (remember, you can only start out with one fighter). You don't have to know his name now, or how tall he is, or where he's from, or anything. Just give me your XBL gamertag and what weight class you're starting in. We'll fill in the details once the rules get solidified. Let's get it on, guys!

4/30/10 - CAGFC History

I know a lot of new people are probably giving this game a look this year, so for anyone who doesn't know, YES, there is a CAG League for this game. We had an extremely successful CheapAssGamer Fighting Championship (CAGFC) last year which ran for about 4 month with cards every single week. You can check out our illustrious first run here:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222490

As the summer wore on, there was so much info packed into that first post, we actually ran out of room. So, to get around the limitations of a simple thread/forum format, I created a website for CAGFC. I'm no web designer, but I hope it will be something we can use for the league this year.

I don't want to take the league completely away from CAG though (since it is CAGFC after all), so there will still be a thread here for CAGFC. But I do like the website for giving me a little more freedom in design and setup and things like that. But we'll see how people take to it. You can find it here:

www.cagfc.comxa.com

Below you'll find the basic structure of CAGFC. Since we don't know exactly how things are going to work in the game this year, expect there to be some ammendments. One thing that WILL be avoided this year are Super CAFs. If the game doesn't do a good job handling it on its own, I'll impose ratings limits to make sure we don't have any ridiculous super hero-like fighters.

I'm not really taking any official sign ups right now, but feel free to post your interest in participating and if you have any opinions or things you'd like to see in the league this year.

Stay tuned for more CAGFC info as the game's release approaches!

Fight Videos

CAGFC24: OVERLOAD - HW Title Fight
Thomas Bruso vs E.AAA Honda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irGF_3Yzs7A

CAGFC24: OVERLOAD - WW Fight
Nate Lisa vs Phil Baroni
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMbHJxC7WDs

CAGFC23: REVOLUTION - HW Title Fight
Fyodor Emilianenko vs Thomas Bruso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a37-i0U08tM

CAGFC23: REVOLUTION - WW Fight
Nate Lisa vs Jack Locke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GIC6EZtcmE

CAGFC22: VICTORY - WW Title Fight
Nate Lisa vs Matt Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S48VizHpckg

CAGFC22: VICTORY - HW Fight
Thomas Bruso vs Gail Pennyfeather
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVR99WUwwcc

CAGFC21: HIGH STAKES - HW Title Fight
Shikoba Hasik-Qillac vs Thomas Bruso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1j-T00dVrE

CAGFC21: HIGH STAKES - WW Title Fight
Nate Lisa vs E. Honda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLihqvAc17o

CAGFCXX: NUCLEAR - WW Title Fight
Nate Lisa vs Aaron Alvarez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6NibIAVYrU

CAGFC19: RIVALS - WW Title Fight
Nate Lisa vs Matt Young
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RahBTVksiQM

CAGFC17: UNRATED - HW Title Fight
Shikoba Hasik-Qillac vs Thomas Bruso
http://vimeo.com/13696341

CAGFC17: UNRATED - WW Title Fight
Simeon Lamhov vs Nate Lisa
http://vimeo.com/13696477

Record: 7-2

CAGFC24 | W | E.AAA Honda | TKO | 1:09 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC23 | W | Fyodor Emilianenko | TKO | 1:43 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC22 | W | Gail Pennyfeather | TKO | 3:00 of Rd 1
CAGFC21 | L | Shikoba Hasik-Qillac | Tapout (Gogoplata) | 4:02 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFCXX | W | Shikoba Hasik-Qillac | Forfeit
CAGFC19 | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 4:10 of Rd 1
CAGFC18 | W | E.AAA Honda | KO | 1:30 of Rd 1
CAGFC17 | L | Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq | Tapout (Ankle Lock) | 4:18 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC HW & WW | W | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 4:30 of Rd 2

Height: 6'1"
Weight: 240lbs

2. seen | seen415 | James Toney

Record: 2-1

CAGFC24 | W | Fyodor Emilianenko | TKO | 2:10 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | L | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 1:56 of Rd 1
CAGFC22 | W | E. AAA Honda | TKO | 0:50 of Rd 1

Height: 5'10"
Weight: 240lbs

3. JaytheGamefan | MGFanjay | Fyodor Emilianenko

Record: 5-3-1

CAGFC24 | L | James Toney | TKO | 2:10 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | L | Thomas Bruso | TKO | 1:43 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC22 | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 2:00 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC21 | W | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 2:15 of Rd 3
CAGFCXX | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 4:02 of Rd 1
CAGFC19 | W | E.AAA Honda | KO | 0:55 of Rd 2
CAGFC18 | L | Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq | KO (MT Knees) | 3:06 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC17 | W | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 2:25 of Rd 2
CAGFC HW & WW | Lincoln Burrows | D

Height: 6'0"
Weight: 240lbs

4. moojuice | moojuiced | E.AAA "Big Papi" Honda

Record: 3-7

CAGFC24 | L | Thomas Bruso | TKO | 1:09 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC23 | W | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 2:58 of Rd 2
CAGFC22 | L | James Toney | TKO | 0:50 of Rd 1
CAGFC21 | L | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 1:38 of Rd 2
CAGFCXX | L | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 4:59 of Rd 2
CAGFC19 | L | Fyodor Emilianenko | KO | 0:55 of Rd 2
CAGFC18 | L | Thomas Bruso | KO | 1:30 of Rd 2
CAGFC17 | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 2:06 of Rd 1
CAGFC: HW & WW | L | Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq | KO | 2:30 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC16 | W | Gary Russell | KO | 2:30 of Rd 2 (HW Title)

Height: 6'4"
Weight: 240lbs

5. Matt Young | X Matt Young X | "The Predator" Gail Pennyfeather

Record: 8-8-1

CAGFC24 | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 3:59 of Rd 2
CAGFC23 | L | E.AAA Honda | KO | 2:58 of Rd 2
CAGFC22 | L | Thomas Bruso | TKO | 3:00 of Rd 1
CAGFC21 | L | Fyodor Emilianenko | KO | 2:15 of Rd 3
CAGFCXX | W | E.AAA Honda | KO | 4:59 of Rd 2
CAGFC19 | L | Shikoba Hasik-Qillac | KO | 1:13 of Rd 3 (HW Title)
CAGFC18 | W | Lincoln Burrows | KO | 1:11 of Rd 1
CAGFC17 | L | Fyodor Emilianenko | KO | 2:25 of Rd 2
CAGFC HW & WW | L | Thomas Bruso | KO | 4:30 of Rd 2
CAGFC15 | W | Ryan Scarp | Forfeit
CAGFC14 | D | Kimbo Slice
CAGFC13 | L | Tony Hawk | KO | 2:57 of Rd 3 (HW Title)
CAGFC12 | W | Brandon Craig | TKO | 1:24 of Rd 1
CAGFC11 | L | Gary Russell | Tapout (Kimura) | 3:22 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC10 | W | Shaun Parent | TKO | 4:10 of Rd 1
CAGFC9 | W | Matt Domoracki | TKO | 1:01 of Rd 2
CAGFC8 | W | Chris Moore | Forfeit

Height: 6'7"
Weight: 235lbs

6. FrankySox | Frankysox | Lincoln Burrows

Record: 2-6-1

CAGFC24 | L | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 3:59 of Rd 2
CAGFC23 | W | James Toney | KO | 1:56 of Rd 1
CAGFC22 | L | Fyodor Emilianenko | KO | 2:00 of Rd 1 (HW Title)
CAGFC21 | W | E.AAA Honda | KO | 1:38 of Rd 2
CAGFCXX | L | Fyodor Emilianenko | KO | 4:02 of Rd 1
CAGFC19 | L | Thomas Bruso | KO | 4:10 of Rd 1
CAGFC18 | L | Gail Pennyfeather | KO | 1:11 of Rd 1
CAGFC17 | L | E. Honda | KO | 2:06 of Rd 1
CAGFC HW & WW | Fyodor Emilianenko | D

Height: ??
Weight: 240lbs

Light Heavyweight (over 185lbs to 205lbs)

Middleweight (over 170lbs to 185lbs)

Welterweight (over 155lbs to 170lbs)
1. Matt Young | X Matt Young X | "The Hitman" Matt Young - CAGFC WW Champion!

Record: 10-12-2

CAGFC24 | W | Aaron Alvares | TKO | 4:27 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFC23 | W | E. Honda | KO | 2:58 of Rd 4 (WW Title)
CAGFC22 | W | Nate Lisa | KO | 2:41 of Rd 2 (WW Title)
CAGFC21 | W | Jack Locke | KO | 3:09 of Rd 1
CAGFCXX | L | E. Honda | TKO | 1:09 of Rd 3
CAGFC19 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 3:52 of Rd 3 (WW Title)
CAGFC18 | L | Simeon Lamhov | KO | 3:10 of Rd 2 (WW Title)
CAGFC17 | W | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 4:35 of Rd 2
CAGFC HW & WW | W | Jacke Locke | Tapout (Rear Naked Choke) | 2:30 of Rd 1
CAGFC15 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 4:34 of Rd 3 (MW Title)
CAGFC13 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 2:39 of Rd 3
CAGFC12 | L | Jackie Chan | KO | 3:08 of Rd 3 (MW Title)
CAGFC11 | D | Eric Ortiz
CAGFC10 | W | Jason Miller | Forfeit
CAGFC9 | W | Nate Lisa | KO | 1:31 of Rd 3
CAGFC8 | L | Cung Le | KO | 3:47 of Rd 3
CAGFC7 | D | Drew Campbell
CAGFC6 | L | Jackie Chan | Unanimous Decision (30-25, 30-25, 30-25)
CAGFC5 | L | Cung Le | KO | 2:45 of Rd 3
CAGFC4 | L | Jason Miller | Tapout (Knee Bar) | 4:06 of Rd 1
CAGFC3 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 4:59 of Rd 3
CAGFC2 | L | Jackie Chan | Tapout (Kimura) | 2:11 of Rd 5 (MW Title)
CAGFC1 | W | Eric Ortiz | Forfeit (Title to be decided at CAGFC2)
CAGFC1 | W | Jackie Chan | Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-25, 30-27)

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 185lbs

2. n8rockerasu | n8rocker82 | Nate "The Wolf" Lisa

Record: 14-8-1

CAGFC24 | W | Phil Baroni | TKO | 2:46 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | W | Jack Locke | KO | 0:51 of Rd 2
CAGFC22 | L | Matt Young | KO | 2:41 of Rd 2 (WW Title)
CAGFC21 | W | E. Honda | TKO | 3:16 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFCXX | W | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 3:59 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFC19 | W | Matt Young | KO | 3:52 of Rd 3 (WW Title)
CAGFC18 | W | Jack Locke | KO | 4:30 of Rd 1
CAGFC17 | L | Simeon Lamhov | Tapout (Armbar) | 2:33 of Rd 2 (WW Title)
CAGFC HW & WW | W | E. Honda | KO | 1:49 of Rd 2
CAGFC15 | W | Matt Young | KO | 4:34 of Rd 3 (MW Title)
CAGFC14 | W | Jackie Chan | Tapout (Rear Naked Choke) | 3:25 of Rd 2 (MW Title)
CAGFC13 | W | Matt Young | KO | 2:39 of Rd 3
CAGFC12 | D | Jason Miller
CAGFC11 | L | Jackie Chan | Unanimous Decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
CAGFC10 | W | Cung Le | KO | 1:35 of Rd 1
CAGFC9 | L | Matt Young | KO | 1:31 of Rd 3
CAGFC8 | L | Jason Miller | Tapout (Kneebar) | 4:54 of Rd 2
CAGFC7 | W | Cung Le | KO | 0:11 of Rd 2
CAGFC6 | L | Jason Miller | KO | 3:10 of Rd 3
CAGFC4 | L | Eric Ortiz | TKO | 1:28 of Rd 2 (MW Title)
CAGFC3 | W | Matt Young | KO | 4:59 of Rd 3
CAGFC2 | W | Drew Campbell | Tapout (Rear Naked Choke) | 2:09 of Rd 1
CAGFC1 | L | Eric Ortiz | KO | 1:26 of Rd 2

Height: 5'11"
Weight: 170lbs

3. moojuice | moojuiced | E. "Big Papi" Honda

Record: 4-5

CAGFC24 | W | Jack Locke | KO | 4:28 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | L | Matt Young | KO | 2:58 of Rd 4 (WW Title)
CAGFC22 | W | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 1:05 of Rd 2
CAGFC21 | L | Nate Lisa | TKO | 3:16 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFCXX | W | Matt Young | TKO | 1:09 of Rd 3
CAGFC19 | L | LaShawn Reddman | KO | 4:08 of Rd 1
CAGFC18 | W | Aaron Alvarez | KO (MT Knees) | 3:45 of Rd 2
CAGFC17 | L | Jacke Locke | KO | 3:31 of Rd 3
CAGFC HW & WW | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 1:49 of Rd 2

Height: ??
Weight: 170lbs

4. JaytheGamefan | MGFanjay | Aaron Alvarez

Record: 2-7

CAGFC24 | L | Matt Young | TKO | 4:27 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFC23 | W | Phil Baroni | KO | 4:50 of Rd 1
CAGFC22 | L | E. Honda | KO | 1:05 of Rd 2
CAGFC21 | L | LaShawn Reddman | KO | 2:55 of Rd 1
CAGFCXX | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 3:59 of Rd 1 (WW Title)
CAGFC19 | W | Jack Locke | TKO | 3:45 of Rd 1
CAGFC18 | L | E. Honda | KO (MT Knees) | 3:45 of Rd 2
CAGFC17 | L | Matt Young | KO | 4:35 of Rd 2
CAGFC HW & WW | L | Simeon Lamhov | KO | 0:40 of Rd 1

Height: ??
Weight 170lbs

5. seen | seen415 | Phil Baroni

Record: 1-2

CAGFC24 | L | Nate Lisa | TKO | 2:46 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | L | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 4:50 of Rd 1
CAGFC22 | W | Jack Locke | KO | 0:44 of Rd 2

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 170lbs

6. FrankySox | Frankysox | Jack "The Monster" Locke

Background Info:

Twenty-one years from now two very happily married and extremely wealthy people will buy their own island. For the sake of keeping it simple I'll refer to them as "Mother" and "Father". They will give birth to a young stunning young boy name Jack Locke.

Jack will live a lonely and confusing childhood. Mother and Father will take to long humpings in the forest of their private island while Jack wonders lonesome along the beach wondering where he comes from. You see Mother and Father always wanted a boy and when they saw they had been cursed with a bearded baby that loved pain killers they in turn cursed him with the name Jack Locke.

At the age of 16 Locke had become a man and decided he wanted to leave the island. Conveniently there was a boat sitting just off sore that magically appeared when he decided it was time to go. Once Jack arrived to the place he referred to as Rock he learned that something was different. Somehow during his journey he had traveled back in time. He wasn't sure how, but who needs an explanation right? Jack learned he'd need some schooling so he attended the first school that would accept a fully bearded 16 year old. Jack was not popular at this new establishment and he was really wondering if he should have left. After several weeks of attending school the principal decided he should be the mascot for the football games. They'd force Jack into a cage and leave him in there for days upon days with no food or water. When game day arrived they'd place a piece of Captain Crunch Cereal at mid field and open up the cage and let Jack go crazy.

This is the path Jack traveled when five years later he was discovered by CAGFC after he physically beat several 7 years olds in a back alley who were making fun of him. Twenty-One and facing 30 years in the pen for attack underage kids he was given a choice. Throw some fights in UFC to make a quick buck for the wardens cousins uncles son who was the Vice President of CAGFC, or face thirty years in the pen. Jack chose the former.

This leads us to present day where Jack will face his inner demons. Will he throw these fights or will he rise to the occasion and expose the corrupt government that wants to see his face smashed in?

Record: 2-8

CAGFC24 | L | E. Honda | KO | 4:28 of Rd 1
CAGFC23 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 0:51 of Rd 2
CAGFC22 | L | Phil Baroni | KO | 0:44 of Rd 2
CAGFC21 | L | Matt Young | KO | 3:09 of Rd 1
CAGFCXX | W | LaShawn Reddman | Forfeit
CAGFC19 | L | Aaron Alvarez | TKO | 3:45 of Rd 1
CAGFC18 | L | Nate Lisa | KO | 4:30 of Rd 1
CAGFC17 | W | E. Honda | KO | 3:36 of Rd 3
CAGFC HW & WW | L | Matt Young | Tapout (Rear Naked Choke) | 2;30 of Rd 1
CAGFC16 | L | Devin Dinkins | KO | 2:20 of Rd 1

Height: 6'0"
Weight: 170lbs

Lightweight (over 145lbs to 155lbs)

Retired Fighters

Bubba Thrust | Bubba Thrust | LaShawn Reddman

Record: 2-1

CAGFC21 | W | Aaron Alvarez | KO | 2:55 of Rd 1
CAGFCXX | L | Jack Locke | Forfeit
CAGFC19 | W | E. Honda | KO | 4:08 of Rd 1

Height: 5'9"
Weight: 170lbs

Bubba Thrust | Bubba Thrust | Shikoba Hasik-Qillaq - Retired HW Champion!

Record: 5-1

Height: 6'3"
Weight: 240lbs

Bubba Thrust | Bubba Thrust | Simeon "The Fury" Lamhov - Retired WW Champion!

Record: 7-0

Height: 5'10"
Weight: 170lbs

CAGFC Title History
Champion | Date Won | Date Lost

Heavyweight
Thomas Bruso | 9/12/10 | Present
Fyodor Emilianenko | 8/28/10 | 9/12/10
Shikoba Hasik-Qillac | 7/21/10 | 8/26/10
E. Honda | 6/10/10 | 7/21/10
Tony Hawk | 8/15/09 | 6/10/10
Gary Russell | 6/25/09 | 8/15/09
Big Black Smurf | 6/22/09 | 6/25/09
Blake Garber | 6/15/09 | 6/22/09
Gary Russell | 6/3/09 | 6/15/09
Light Heavyweight
Brandon Haines | 8/18/09 | Present
Daniel Ortiz | 8/13/09 | 8/13/09
Daniel Ortiz | 7/29/09 | 8/6/09
Matt Cracker | 7/7/09 | 7/29/09
Brandon Haines | 6/22/09 | 7/7/09
Michael Klein | 6/7/09 | 6/22/09
Jean Claude | 5/27/09 | 6/7/09
Middleweight
Nate Lisa | 8/28/09 | Present
Jason Miller | 8/22/09 | 8/25/09
Jackie Chan | 8/15/09 | 8/22/09
Eric Ortiz | 6/12/09 | 8/13/09
Jackie Chan | 6/6/09 | 6/12/09
Welterweight
Matt Young | 9/9/10 | Present
Nate Lisa | 8/11/10 | 9/9/10
Simeon Lamhov | 7/28/10 | 8/4/10
Kyler Klein | 9/10/09 | 7/28/10
Simeon Lamhov | 7/25/09 | 8/26/09
Mach Sakurai | 6/25/09 | 7/25/09
Codi Garber | 5/24/09 | 6/25/09
Lightweight
Nick Sutera | 8/10/09 | 8/26/09
Ash Cambell | 7/10/09 | 8/1/09
Andrew Kennel | 6/5/09 | 7/9/09

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

Reserved

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

Reserved #2

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

Reserved #3

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

Ok, that should be enough, lol.

moojuice · Apr 30, 2010

*Reserve steal attempt*

Edit: Epic Fail

CAGLeagueSports · Apr 30, 2010

haha, nice. I thought the first 5 posts would be enough to cover this year...in case we just don't want to bother with the separate website. I'm at least trying to be prepared here.

Ultimate Matt X · Apr 30, 2010

I'll likely be back. I almost got the Heavyweight title in my last fight so I have to avenge that loss.

DarkTower80 · Apr 30, 2010

I wasn't planning on picking this up right away but the demo changed my mind. I went ahead and preordered it so I'll be back too.

Matt Young · Apr 30, 2010

The demo showed me that I am waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy out of practice. But you know I'm in, son. Matt Young will return at middleweight, along with a much-improved Gail "Put That Dick In My Mouth" Pennyfeather!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3UYL5bFO90)

Pure Apathy · Apr 30, 2010

Hello everyone. I would like to join your UFC fight league. I've been playing fighting games ever since I had a NES and I still play them on my NES from time to time to practice. I also like to watch UFC on the television and I think I would be good for the league.

Thanks

Vulcan2422 · Apr 30, 2010

Here is to hoping I am reigning CAGFC Heavyweight champion again!!

dkreegz515 · Apr 30, 2010

i would like to join!

n8rockerasu · May 4, 2010

The reigning Middleweight Champ is ready!

Vulcan2422 · May 4, 2010

[quote name='n8rockerasu']The reigning Middleweight Champ is ready!

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Make me one nate! lol I want one...just lazy with that stuff how ever.

Bubba Thrust · May 4, 2010

Simeon Lahmov was estatic last year at WW going Undefeated Champ so he is going to win it all again!!!Should be CAGFC HOF'r!!!!.( I change my username because forgot my old ones password). And hopefully we can just play for fun this year and not let emotions rise.

n8rockerasu · May 5, 2010

[quote name='Bubba Thrust']Simeon Lahmov was estatic last year at WW going Undefeated Champ so he is going to win it all again!!!Should be CAGFC HOF'r!!!!.( I change my username because forgot my old ones password). And hopefully we can just play for fun this year and not let emotions rise.[/QUOTE]

The Meat Man cometh. Well, I can say this thing will be heavily regulated this year...even if it means changes "mid-season". I'm really hoping the game will simply prevent you from creating ridiculously stacked fighters, but if necessary, ratings limits will be imposed. With as fast as the game plays already, I don't even want to think about someone with 99 speed. No one will be allowed an unfair advantage just for the purpose of "being champion".

Also, your first sentence is amazing.

n8rockerasu · May 5, 2010

[quote name='Vulcan2422']Make me one nate! lol I want one...just lazy with that stuff how ever.[/QUOTE]

What colors do you want your stuff to be? (shorts, shirt, tapout logos, hat, etc.)

Vulcan2422 · May 5, 2010

I'm a red, blue, black and green kinda guy

You can even make him Cartman size also

lol

n8rockerasu · May 5, 2010

[quote name='Vulcan2422']I'm a red, blue, black and green kinda guy

You can even make him Cartman size also

lol[/QUOTE]

Haha, all right man. I'll see what I can throw together.

n8rockerasu · May 5, 2010

All right, even though Tony Hawk ended up finishing with the belt last year, since Gary was the longtime Heavyweight Champion, I put the belt on his South Park character.

Yes, I even chose the "beefcake" size and that's the most it could come up with.

Matt Young · May 5, 2010

Judging by his facial expression, dude took some serious blows to the head last year. He legitimately looks like he has Down syndrome.

Vulcan2422 · May 5, 2010

[quote name='Matt Young']Judging by his facial expression, dude took some serious blows to the head last year. He legitimately looks like he has Down syndrome.[/QUOTE]

LMFAO. That literally made me LOL. It's awesome Nate! lol. I know I lost but at least I was the first and I held it for awhile.

This year, I will hold it as long as I can again.

AK85 · May 6, 2010

[quote name='Matt Young']Judging by his facial expression, dude took some serious blows to the head last year. He legitimately looks like he has Down syndrome.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Vulcan2422']Blake Garber | Gary Russell | KO Rd 1 2:40

Good Fight. Good thing I have a backup 360 and Controller cause I got up and pretty much punched the shit out of it and smashed it on the ground and threw the controller across the room making a good dent in the wall.[/QUOTE]

Heard from my friend he took some good shots in that match :lol:

Wish I could have seen the fight and the aftermath :bouncy:

Vulcan2422 · May 6, 2010

[quote name='AK85']Heard from my friend he took some good shots in that match :lol:

Wish I could have seen the fight and the aftermath :bouncy:

[/QUOTE]

That's when I had anger problems......not so much anymore considering breaking shit = costing money.

Bubba Thrust · May 7, 2010

[quote name='n8rockerasu']The Meat Man cometh. Well, I can say this thing will be heavily regulated this year...even if it means changes "mid-season". I'm really hoping the game will simply prevent you from creating ridiculously stacked fighters, but if necessary, ratings limits will be imposed. With as fast as the game plays already, I don't even want to think about someone with 99 speed. No one will be allowed an unfair advantage just for the purpose of "being champion".

Also, your first sentence is amazing.[/QUOTE]
If you would have asked me to change my caf i would have. No one had a problem.

Dont worry I will get the W's again. Simeon will be the greatest.

Also N8 you front runner NY Yankee's are for new yorkers!!! lol jk im a mets fan.

n8rockerasu · May 7, 2010

[quote name='Bubba Thrust']If you would have asked me to change my caf i would have. No one had a problem.

Dont worry I will get the W's again. Simeon will be the greatest.

Also N8 you front runner NY Yankee's are for new yorkers!!! lol jk im a mets fan.[/QUOTE]

Well, last year was the first year for CAGFC. It was hard to know what to expect, and since we were using career CAFs, I didn't want to tell guys to start all over 3 months in. I'll try to do a better job this year.

Also, I've been a Yankee fan since before you were born. I can promise you that. And I lived the first 10 years of my life in New York. I think my credentials are good enough.

Vulcan2422 · May 8, 2010

[quote name='n8rockerasu']
Also, I've been a Yankee fan since before you were born. I can promise you that. And I lived the first 10 years of my life in New York. I think my credentials are good enough.[/QUOTE]

You know, I'm gonna need a Social Security card check, your old Drivers license, and some sort of past bills to prove that you use to live there and some Doctor or ER records. Then I'll believe you use to live there. :booty:

lol. Should be a good season. I'm still trying to figure out the sway system. Can anybody elaborate it to me? No tutorial really on it.

n8rockerasu · May 8, 2010

[quote name='Vulcan2422']lol. Should be a good season. I'm still trying to figure out the sway system. Can anybody elaborate it to me? No tutorial really on it.[/QUOTE]

You just block and flick the left stick in any direction. It's easy to use, but it's going to take a lot of time to be able to use it well. I've been practicing with it, and I've had plenty of times where I've swayed right into a kick. I guess you really need to get a sense for what and how your opponent throws.

whiptcracker · May 9, 2010

[quote name='Vulcan2422']You know, I'm gonna need a Social Security card check, your old Drivers license, and some sort of past bills to prove that you use to live there and some Doctor or ER records. Then I'll believe you use to live there. :booty:

lol. Should be a good season. I'm still trying to figure out the sway system. Can anybody elaborate it to me? No tutorial really on it.[/QUOTE]

Right bumper and flick the left joystick (like how you do stepping strikes). Swaying away (flicking away from the opponent) works good for counterpunching, except it is the easiest of the sway punches to block. If you think the other fight is going for an upper jab, duck and punch and follow it up with a combo. Generally the fighters throw their first strikes with their lead foot, but it helps to watch for patterns. If you think they're going to throw a left punch (their left) then sway left (your left).

When you get it down it's easy to KO some of the computer on expert.

Right now my problem is takedown defense. I've tried holding the stick back and the shine method but takedowns seem to have a much higher success rate. Rua on expert is a bastard to keep standing and Lyoto's standard takedown seems impossible to block.

Freemason · May 16, 2010

i'm in, look out light Heavy division. you are about to get owned by Bones " The Doctor " McShat ( name TBD )

Freemason · May 16, 2010

When you get it down it's easy to KO some of the computer on expert.

Right now my problem is takedown defense. I've tried holding the stick back and the shine method but takedowns seem to have a much higher success rate. Rua on expert is a bastard to keep standing and Lyoto's standard takedown seems impossible to block.

i usually just knee people in the head when they try to swoop in. 2 is guarenteed KO under 80 stamina

seen · May 21, 2010

I'm interested in being in CAGFC again; hopefully they'll drop the msrp during release week so its cheaper. Can I be Kimbo again (he isn't in the UFC anyway) if I run through career mode with him?

Matt Young · May 21, 2010

I was going to contact you on XBL about this since I saw that you hadn't logged into the board in months.

I don't see a price drop, but that $10 credit at Amazon is enticing.

n8rockerasu · May 21, 2010

[quote name='seen']I'm interested in being in CAGFC again; hopefully they'll drop the msrp during release week so its cheaper. Can I be Kimbo again (he isn't in the UFC anyway) if I run through career mode with him?[/QUOTE]

If you want to make a Heavyweight and name him Kimbo Slice, I guess that's fine. He is in the game though, so at some point in your career, you'll be fighting yourself, lol. I'm going to wait until the game is out so I can do some reading and research to see if we need to set up any ratings caps or anything.

Matt Young · May 23, 2010

I meant to do this a while ago, but I'm going back to get all the achievements for UFC 2009, except the online ones. The 1 online achievement I'm going for is to get a flash KO in a ranked match. I on;y played 7 ranked matches and only won 3, so I never did achieve that. I figure I'll keep going either till I get it, or till I get to 10 tries, then I'll give up.

I'm also going for the "fight 1 bout with every fighter" achievement. 10 more to go. I was doing it on expert before and making my own rule that I had to win. I'm sticking with that now. Expert is still very easy for me, even though the second difficulty on the new demo is tough.

The other offline achievements include "Wax Off" and the "submit an opponent from the gassed state" ones. I'm about to try for the second. "Wax Off" sucks, though. While I do like using the shine to take people down better than I do button mashing, this is going to be painful. Then there's winning a belt in every weight class, which takes 10 fights per class; win every trophy in career mode, which I could never win sub of the night; I think that covers it.

Just like with the first Mario Party, I've quickly developed a hole in my right palm. Seriously... I have my right hand wrapped in gauze- held together with duct tape because I don't have any medical tape... er, because I'm hardcore- and that's the only reason I'm still going. I honestly may need to tape my fists before CAGFC fights, or put on one of my weight lifting gloves and look like a fighting Michael Jackson.

Hm... fighting Michael Jackson. Maybe I'll need to add a 3rd fighter to my CAGFC stable!

Matt Young · May 23, 2010

God damn it... I got in ranked matches to get the "win a ranked match by flash KO" achievement. First fight, I kept letting the guy get up and then one punch KO'd him. No achievement, but I did get the medal for not getting hit. I then won 4 in a row (remember, I was previously 3-4) and still didn't get it.

Then I lost to a level 1 guy by flash KO because I kept letting him get up, and I got Brock'd (I was Sylvia). Following that, I lost a surprisingly competitive match to a level 68 by submission, and then as I had a level 43 beaten and rocked, he quit on me. Somehow, I GOT THE LOSS! So I said fuck

it and gave up.

I don't know how I did so well against high level opposition, but I'm pissed that I didn't get the achievement. Can you not rock someone at any time in the fight in order for it to count as a flash KO? I never knocked anyone out while they were rocked; just after.

Lazer77 · May 23, 2010

I will keep this in mind, I played the hell out of 2009 and I played the demo of 2010 a good bit. Give me a few weeks to see how good I get then I will decide. If its too late, then maybe I will catch the next one.

n8rockerasu · May 23, 2010

[quote name='Lazer77']I will keep this in mind, I played the hell out of 2009 and I played the demo of 2010 a good bit. Give me a few weeks to see how good I get then I will decide. If its too late, then maybe I will catch the next one.[/QUOTE]

Well, this is an on-going ladder style organization, so there is no "too late". It's not like other sports games or leagues where you have seasons and schedules and whatnot. Whenever you feel like joining, you start at the bottom and work your way up through the ranks. It's very much like real life. I'd strongly advise that you look at the spoilers in the OP. They pretty much explain how it works.

Lazer77 · May 23, 2010

[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, this is an on-going ladder style organization, so there is no "too late". It's not like other sports games or leagues where you have seasons and schedules and whatnot. Whenever you feel like joining, you start at the bottom and work your way up through the ranks. It's very much like real life. I'd strongly advise that you look at the spoilers in the OP. They pretty much explain how it works.[/QUOTE]

OH yeah definitely, I remember hearing about this. You can join as many "groups" as you want right?

I will be picking this up at midnight :]

Vulcan2422 · May 23, 2010

Midnight Release here as well. Can't wait to make my fighter. Let's hope I can make him fat like Roy Nelson!!

n8rockerasu · May 23, 2010

[quote name='Vulcan2422']Midnight Release here as well. Can't wait to make my fighter. Let's hope I can make him fat like Roy Nelson!![/QUOTE]

Yeah, but it's midnight tomorrow night right? Cause the game comes out on the 25th...which is Tuesday. I ordered mine from Gamestop.com...but before they had the free overnight shipping on it. It would be nice if they would bump mine up automatically, but since I'm getting the game for $45, I'm not going to push it too much.

Vulcan2422 · May 24, 2010

Yeah, you know what I meant

BoSoxFan900 · May 24, 2010

Well, I finally broke down and pre-ordered it. I got free overnight delivery from Gamestop, plus $10 off a future purchase, so I was pretty happy with that. I decided I might as well go ahead and get some "extra" out of it since I know I'll end up buying it anyway. Looking forward to playing with you guys this year, hopefully my 360 doesn't crap out immediately after the game gets there.

n8rockerasu · May 24, 2010

Yeah, I really hope they bump mine up to overnight shipping. I mean, shouldn't the people who pre-ordered before that deal was even available get rewarded even more?

CAGLeagueSports · May 24, 2010

All right, even though there's a lot we won't know or be able to do until the game is out, there's no reason we can't start with some preliminary things to start getting ready. So, here we go.

I have a general idea of how I want to do things, but I want to get everybody's opinions. Last year, we started out with a tournament in each weight class to determine the initial champion and rankings. Do we want to do that again this year, or start based on how last year finished? (ie. who held the belts, rankings, etc) There's a few problems I see with the latter method. 1. Probably not everybody who had the game last year will be getting it again this year. 2. Some of the people who did have the game last year might want to create different fighters this year and/or start off in a different weight class. 3. A couple of the belts finished up being vacant anyway. Taking all of this into consideration, I would think starting fresh with a tournament would be the best option. What do you guys think?

The only other thing I'll tell people is until we get a good grasp on what the ratings limits will be, try not to go too far into your career for the first week (or at least until we have enough info to set up any rules or caps that may need to be made). It might sound crazy asking people to not beat the game in a week, but I'm not sure how much deeper this year's career mode is than last years (30-35 fights). And people flew through that pretty quickly.

Actually, if you do have a lot of time, and want to burn through a quick career (with the potential of possibly not being able to use that fighter...depending on how crazy his stats get), I could use your help. Anybody who wants to help me with testing and researching to see if any blatant exploits pop up, you're more than welcome. My goal this year is to keep this thing as fair and competitive as possible, without having any ridiculous super CAFs. It would be great if the game kept that in check automatically, but I've learned to never underestimate people's ability to cheat.

So, with that, if people would like to begin signing up, we can start getting an idea of how our weight classes might look. That's basically all the information I need right now. Just if you're interested in participating and what weight class your fighter is going to be in (remember, you can only start out with one fighter). You don't have to know his name now, or how tall he is, or where he's from, or anything. Just give me your XBL gamertag and what weight class you're starting in. We'll fill in the details once the rules get solidified. Let's get it on, guys!

Pure Apathy · May 24, 2010

A tournament sounds good to me.

Pure Apathy is my GT and either lightweight or welterweight. I'll go with whichever weight class has more fighters in it out of the two.

n8rockerasu · May 24, 2010

[quote name='Pure Apathy']A tournament sounds good to me.

Pure Apathy is my GT and either lightweight or welterweight. I'll go with whichever weight class has more fighters in it out of the two.[/QUOTE]

Well, last year, when we started out, the lighter weight classes didn't seem to be as popular, and some only had like 2 fighters. So, the "tournament" essentially ended up being a title fight for that weight class. But once people were allowed to have more than one fighter, things really expanded and we had like at least 6 fighters in each weight class.

Since you're going to be using your fighter from your offline career, I'd say pick whichever one you really want to fight in offline. I'm sure at least one person will join the weight class you're in. Although, I wonder how it's going to work this year since you're supposed to be able to move up in weight after you've cleaned out your division. That would be pretty cool if your CAF could do the same online.

I know the first fighter I'll be bringing back is myself. I finished last year as the defending MW champ, but I'm actually considering dropping to WW since I've actually lost some weight in real life, haha.

Vulcan2422 · May 24, 2010

You already know all my Info Nate. Same as last years pretty much, Except If I can make him fatter, he will be fatter.

Of course, I will cruise through the Career as usual and do another one cause I don't mind. Just depends on if I have the umph to start Alan Wake anytime soon how ever

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