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#61 Soodmeg  

Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:07 PM

I said good chance, not best chance. You completely disregard the fact that Lebron and others have celeb friends, that they do care about their name brand and sponsorships, and that they would like the luxury that NY offers.

No one is hating on New York and yet if a Clippers or Bulls fan posted on here, you wouldn't be bashing their team as much as you have with Knicks. And what have they won in recent years?


Celb friends? Luxury that NY offers? Are you serious with this? If this is what you Knicks fans are banking on to sign Lebron you lost a long time ago.

I think in this day and age, the idea of better marketing and sponsorships based on city location is ridiculous. Lebron could form a new team in some dusty ghost town in New Mexico and TNT would have them on every other week. Nike would still pay him in large cartoon bags of money. The internet and cable/satellite tv have made it possible to follow any player you want at any time. Cleveland was absolutely irrelevant until Lebron came; now the Cavs are on national TV all the time. Location doesn't matter for player popularity, marketing, and sponsorships (except for Toronto. You're fucked there). Everybody already knows Lebron. Are they suddenly going to know him double if he goes to New York? It's not an advantage.

The only real advantage you could conceivably give them is the fact that the Knicks are a historic franchise. They haven't won as much, but there's a certain aura to the old teams like the Celtics and the Knicks that could be appealing, but I wouldn't put much weight into it.


But but.....Lebrons friends are not allowed in New Mexico so he has to be in New York if he wants to see them. Also New York has a monoply on Luxury the only thing he could buy with his gabillion dollars is a old shack out back.

#62 dmaul1114   Banned Banned   24688 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:17 PM

Phil Jackson says he's "leaning toward" retiring but hasn't made a decision yet.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5320083

#63 Brownjohn   BAMF CAGiversary!   1987 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:28 PM

Phil Jackson says he's "leaning toward" retiring but hasn't made a decision yet.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5320083


I hope he comes back. I don't see any other coach out there right now, coaching the lakers.

#64 Lord_Kefka   Son of a Submariner! CAGiversary!   2422 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2010 - 09:39 PM

I think Dwayne Wade will be the biggest X-factor in this offseason. The chic "inside report" from everybody on ESPN was Chicago until Wade began calling their front office loyalty to the players into question. He's recruiting for Miami, and they should be doing all they can to clean house for DWade +1 at least.

New York has been taking all those bad contracts so they would have the expiring contracts and huge money right now. They've been plotting for LeBron the entire time. But I don't know, can they find a home for Curry's contract? Everybody has been saving their pennies for this years free agent market. West leaves, and the core of the team comes into question...they'd have to get minimum two stars. LeBron and Bosh at least. They can offer the glitz and glamor. He'd be the biggest fish in a massive media market. He's already a star, but now he'd have the biggest stage he can get plus the chance to make himself legendary. In Chicago, it's MJ's shadow over him without a doubt.

But in Chicago, he'd have a star PG who can create with his slashing skills. Rose doesn't need the ball that much, his number increased in the playoffs and largely out of necessity. In that great series against Boston the year before, it was Ben Gordon taking the big shots. That could be LeBron, letting Rose work defenses, LeBron gets the shot, and Noah is providing the energy play and rebounding. Too bad Deng doesn't have the same trade value anymore for a sign and trade.

#65 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2010 - 10:47 PM

Miami making moves already to afford 3 max deals.

http://twitter.com/D...tus/16879248455

Miami traded Daequan Cook and 18th pick for the #32 pick. Done deal. Miami gets even more cap space. I think Bucher, Woj also reported it.

#66 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 02:54 AM

am i the only one that takes turner over wall at #1?

#67 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 02:58 AM

am i the only one that takes turner over wall at #1?


I doubt you're the only one, but it's not going to happen.

It wouldn't be indefensible, but there would be a revolt in DC. People here are frothing at the mouth for Wall, it's almost a little overboard.

#68 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:07 AM

also i have a strong feeling that miami is closing in on amare. and that cleveland is closing in on a blockbuster that will bring either cp3 or bosh to team up with lebron in cleveland. im calling it in now.

#69 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:56 AM

also i have a strong feeling that miami is closing in on amare. and that cleveland is closing in on a blockbuster that will bring either cp3 or bosh to team up with lebron in cleveland. im calling it in now.


WFan out of NY was reporting rumors that the Nets have the inside track on Amare. Take that for what it's worth.


So you are calling the Hornets or Raptors putting themselves further in cap hell to get rid of Bosh or CP3 to take on a combo of Mo Williams, Delonte West and or Sideshow bob. Or trade CP3/Bosh for Jamison. Right, is Chris Wallace the GM's of the Hornets or Raptors?

Plus I realize that players can be greedy but sign and trades are just stupid to do. It weakens the team you are going to.

#70 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 04:03 AM

WFan out of NY was reporting rumors that the Nets have the inside track on Amare. Take that for what it's worth.


So you are calling the Hornets or Raptors putting themselves further in cap hell to get rid of Bosh or CP3 to take on a combo of Mo Williams, Delonte West and or Sideshow bob. Or trade CP3/Bosh for Jamison. Right, is Chris Wallace the GM's of the Hornets or Raptors?

Plus I realize that players can be greedy but sign and trades are just stupid to do. It weakens the team you are going to.



i was thinking more along the lines of hickson/jamison+expirings for bosh/plus hedo. raptors do these becuase they get a nice young pf in hickson plus a 20/8 guy in jamison, while getting rid of their worst contract in hedo. also if you throw in a 3rd team, the options are limittless


of course with the bosh scenario, bosh would have to come out and tell toronto he wants a S&T to cleveland before anything else happens. a little unlikely but if amare goes to miami, i think bosh would rather go to cleveland and become apart of a power house instead of going to the nets or knicks, winning 40 games a year on his own becuase he wants to be "the man"

#71 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 04:11 AM

i was thinking more along the lines of hickson/jamison+expirings for bosh/plus hedo. raptors do these becuase they get a nice young pf in hickson plus a 20/8 guy in jamison, while getting rid of their worst contract in hedo. also if you throw in a 3rd team, the options are limittless



Doable but it's a 3 team clusterfuck. Bosh would be better off signing with the Heat with Wade than doing a sign and trade to the Cavs. Sign and trades kill the team you are going to. If you are all about winning, you do not want your new team depleting their roster.

#72 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:03 AM

Doable but it's a 3 team clusterfuck. Bosh would be better off signing with the Heat with Wade than doing a sign and trade to the Cavs. Sign and trades kill the team you are going to. If you are all about winning, you do not want your new team depleting their roster.



yea i get what your saying. if i was bosh i would go to the heat if i could. but i really think the heat will sign amare. then there will be no room for bosh, leaving him with the options of either going to NYK, the bulls, the nets or a S&T to the cavs if he wants. all bias aside, i would pick cleveland out of all those teams but chicago is also a close runner up. also i hope that lee ends up in okc, a perfect fit.

#73 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:15 AM

Heat are a Michael Beasley dump away from being able to afford 3 max deals.

#74 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:19 AM

^^^yea but why would they sign 2 stars to max deals that play the same positioin? good luck trying to sell one of them the sixth man role. and then the idea of possibly starting one of them at center would never work, they would get bullied all night on the post by real centers. if they are able to free up enough room to sign another max player, they should go for a pg or a center.:)

#75 lordopus99   Training for the silver CAGiversary!   5138 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 01:41 PM

am i the only one that takes turner over wall at #1?


I mentioned that earlier. Evan Turner as a player is all around better than John Wall. Yes, you heard it. Turner didn't play with 4 potential first round picks (Cousins, Patterson, Orton, and Bledsoe).

I can't believe in mock drafts they have my team grabbing a SG. We don't need that. Come on Magic grab a PG with your first round pick such as Greivis Vazquez. I guess later tonight I find out if we waste our pick or not.

also i have a strong feeling that miami is closing in on amare. and that cleveland is closing in on a blockbuster that will bring either cp3 or bosh to team up with lebron in cleveland. im calling it in now.


Again, Bosh is a shoe-in in Miami. I don't see him anywhere but there. There have been no talks at all of Amare there. The only other big guy in question there was Boozer.

I don't see Chris Paul moving anywhere this offseason. Lebron is a huge question mark this offseason. I personally have a feeling he will stay put in Cleveland since it's close to home (Akron).

I said good chance, not best chance. You completely disregard the fact that Lebron and others have celeb friends, that they do care about their name brand and sponsorships, and that they would like the luxury that NY offers.

No one is hating on New York and yet if a Clippers or Bulls fan posted on here, you wouldn't be bashing their team as much as you have with Knicks. And what have they won in recent years?


Oh and Lebron wouldn't have those same friends if he played somewhere else. :roll: Name brand and sponsorships... Nike, Powerade, and the many other sponsorships Lebron has will be there no matter where he ends up. Please describe the luxury NY offers... crime? cold weather? old stadium?

Personally, the Clipper fans aren't delusional. As for Chicago, they have more of a right to be since they have more from a personnel standpoint to offer. Derrick Rose is a hot and upcoming PG. Joakim Noah is a great defender. The whole cast is fairly young and have been playing well with each other. They are one person away from being a good team. New York on the other hand has a long way to go. They have one good/average player in Gallanari. They will most likely be losing their best player (Lee) this offseason. So they are left with bench players and a lot of positions to fill.

As for the Bulls, they won their last one in 1998 (12 years ago) and have 6 championships. As for the Knicks, they won their last one in 1973 (27 years ago) and only won 2 championships. That's pretty sad when you think they have been in the NBA 20 years prior to Chicago being in the NBA; back when the league only had a few teams.

#76 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 02:07 PM

So the Knicks are pretty sad because they didn't have Michael Jordan? What? Are we really going to start talking about Championships in basketball. You do understand that there is no such thing as parity in the NBA? Lakers and Celtics have 35 out of 64 championships. Throw in the Bulls 6, Spurs 4 and four teams have won 45 out of 64 Titles. Knicks are sad because the Celtics had a dynasty for the longest time? Especially during the 60's/70's when the Knicks were a great franchise.

Rooster is just an average player? I would love to see your player evaluation.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 02:40 PM

I was listening to WEEI at the time, and when the story came up they basically laughed it off. Danny might consider going over there for family reasons but his family lives here now. Plus there are the issues with Phoenix being an extremely cheap organization at all levels, and that Ainge has 2 years left on his deal.

That is because Sarver needs to Fuck off and sell the team to an owner willing to put the money back into the organization and not his own personal bank account. No GM worth his salt is going to come to Phoenix to later be asked to take a pay cut from Sarver when they do their jobs well; we will probably see someone within the organization promoted to GM and he will be paid peanuts like Alvin Gentry.

Amare is certainly gone, and for nothing.

#78 madbst   Recquiescat In Pace CAGiversary!   762 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 02:41 PM

Oh and Lebron wouldn't have those same friends if he played somewhere else. :roll: Name brand and sponsorships... Nike, Powerade, and the many other sponsorships Lebron has will be there no matter where he ends up. Please describe the luxury NY offers... crime? cold weather? old stadium?

Personally, the Clipper fans aren't delusional. As for Chicago, they have more of a right to be since they have more from a personnel standpoint to offer. Derrick Rose is a hot and upcoming PG. Joakim Noah is a great defender. The whole cast is fairly young and have been playing well with each other. They are one person away from being a good team. New York on the other hand has a long way to go. They have one good/average player in Gallanari. They will most likely be losing their best player (Lee) this offseason. So they are left with bench players and a lot of positions to fill.

As for the Bulls, they won their last one in 1998 (12 years ago) and have 6 championships. As for the Knicks, they won their last one in 1973 (27 years ago) and only won 2 championships. That's pretty sad when you think they have been in the NBA 20 years prior to Chicago being in the NBA; back when the league only had a few teams.


Another New York hater. So, other cities don't have crime? Old stadium? MSG has the aura and history. Only haters call it old.

Because the Knicks haven't won a championship in a long time, that means it's impossible to win one in the near future? Lebron should just go the Heat, they won the most recent championship amongst the teams wanting him. Yeah, he'll base his decision off of who won the most recent championship.

If anything, it would be a challenge for him to try to bring the Knicks back to being a great team, as in the Ewing era.

#79 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:07 PM

Oooo, I didn't even see the old stadium part. MSG is the most famous arena in the world and it's undergoing a major renovation.


I love how all of the basketball experts, coaches, writers, players couldn't tell you where anybody is going. But a couple of dorks on here have the inside track on every single player destination.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:10 PM

for everyone that doesnt think bosh is willing to go to cleveland, he was on mike and mike this morning

chris broussard: "if lebron asks you to come to cleveland in a sign&trade would you consider it"?

bosh: "of course i would consider it because with lebron we would become a championship contender right away"

#81 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:11 PM

Yeah, he would consider it. That doesn't mean Toronto is going to do it. That doesn't mean him and James wont go somewhere else together.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:24 PM

^^they have to if bosh tells them he is walking for nothing unless they do a S&T to cleveland. i already stated why they would do it too, getting rid of hedo and getting young talent back. and the question specifically asks if he woud go to CLEVELAND. you have to be a knicks fan

#83 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:27 PM

Bosh would be a total idiot to do a sign and trade to Cleveland when the Heat are out there with Wade and the room for another top player via contract.

#84 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:31 PM

again wtf is the logic behind signing BOTH bosh and amare? they are basically the same player.

#85 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 03:49 PM

again wtf is the logic behind signing BOTH bosh and amare? they are basically the same player.



Whoever said they were going to sign both? There are a ton of free agents that they can sign. WTF is the logic of Bosh doing a sign and trade to the Cavs when his only decent teammate is going to be James?

#86 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 04:35 PM

Whoever said they were going to sign both? There are a ton of free agents that they can sign. WTF is the logic of Bosh doing a sign and trade to the Cavs when his only decent teammate is going to be James?



wtf is the logic of bosh signing with the heat when his only decent teammate is going to be wade?;)

#87 wildcpac   Banned Banned   2913 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:05 PM

wtf is the logic of bosh signing with the heat when his only decent teammate is going to be wade?;)


Because the Heat can sign another player close to a Max deal. Pat Riley will most likely take over as the Head Coach again. Wade, Bosh, whomever is 10000 times better than James, Bosh and Sideshow Bob. Plus Miami is 100000000 times better than Ohio.


Have the Cavs even found a gm or head coach yet? Nope.

#88 wwe101   waiting for hitman 5 CAGiversary!   2277 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 June 2010 - 05:34 PM

ohh yea? too bad they DONT HAVE ROOM FOR 3 MAX CONTRACTS. and will not have any use or cap to sign bosh after they sign amare. bosh already stated that he wants to play with lebron also:)

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 06:09 PM

Sideshow Bob is one of the best defenders in basketball. Plus he's a solid offensive rebounder, and has enough offensive ability to be at least monitored by his opponent. That's pretty valuable.

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Posted 24 June 2010 - 08:05 PM

Bulls have a deal in place to send Kurt Hinrich and the 17th Pick to the Wizards. It cannot be completed until after July due to salary cap reasons.

http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5324240