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Mini ITX Build Help?


#1 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:00 PM

So I recently got an Alienware M11x and I kind of caught a bug now for PC gaming. I'm thinking it might be nice to have a decent desktop to replace my aging Compaq but I really want a budget machine and a small form factor machine. Although I've had my hands inside computer plenty swapping parts, installing drives, etc. etc. I've never built my own and I'd like to change that. So I looked at some of the build lists on CAG here and looked some on my own. I am new to this though so...would this build work together ok? I'm open to any and all suggestions...on price, future compatibility, better video card etc. I don't need a hard drive or a dvd drive that is why I didn't add them.

Case (Thanks to Mid Boss for the recommendation)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811163169
GPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814150365
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813121381
CPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116093
Memory
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820161172

#2 Hydro2Oxide   Shazbot! CAGiversary!   4773 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

Hydro2Oxide

Posted 19 August 2010 - 05:27 PM

Did you look at the stickies?

#3 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:03 PM

Did you look at the stickies?


Yes.

#4 shosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1129 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:18 PM

Are you trying to fit that gpu into a itx case? You not gonna get a good game machine in a small form really. It's not gonna fit and/or it's gonna get hot quick.

#5 iKilledChewbacca   Trading Time Out (Under Investigation) Do not trade! Trading Timeout - Under Review   3946 Posts   Joined 8.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:28 PM

So I recently got an Alienware M11x and I kind of caught a bug now for PC gaming. I'm thinking it might be nice to have a decent desktop to replace my aging Compaq but I really want a budget machine and a small form factor machine. Although I've had my hands inside computer plenty swapping parts, installing drives, etc. etc. I've never built my own and I'd like to change that. So I looked at some of the build lists on CAG here and looked some on my own. I am new to this though so...would this build work together ok? I'm open to any and all suggestions...on price, future compatibility, better video card etc. I don't need a hard drive or a dvd drive that is why I didn't add them.

Case (Thanks to Mid Boss for the recommendation)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811163169
GPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814150365
Motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813121381
CPU
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116093
Memory
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820161172


hate to say it but....That case has got to go. I only say that because I dont even think that GPU will fit . but idk

#6 Mid Boss   Live Free or Don't CAGiversary!   642 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Mid Boss

Posted 19 August 2010 - 08:48 PM

Keep in mind that you'll need a slim DVD drive for that case. I know there aren't a lot of mini-ITX boards out there, but I would avoid going with a LGA775 based mobo/processor since your upgrade options are going be increasingly limited. There are a few LGA 1156 mini-ITX boards out there that could be a good match for an i3 530. A setup like this would be a good if you're trying to keep the prices sort of low.

EDIT: For the people saying video cards won't fit:
Spoiler


#7 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 03:07 AM

Keep in mind that you'll need a slim DVD drive for that case. I know there aren't a lot of mini-ITX boards out there, but I would avoid going with a LGA775 based mobo/processor since your upgrade options are going be increasingly limited. There are a few LGA 1156 mini-ITX boards out there that could be a good match for an i3 530. A setup like this would be a good if you're trying to keep the prices sort of low.


Yeah I was kind of thinking an i3 might be a better choice...at least giving me a little longevity...but I also kind of know what I'm in for using a case this small...but it seems as though it might be doable with your list. As for the slim DVD drive...I'd probably go without one...but i did notice that. Thanks for the build list...that definitely helps.


As for the case...
Here is a really good article about the case...even talks about how good the cooling is on the 6th part of the review.

http://www.pureoverc...rticle1037.html

#8 iRent   RPG Junkie CAGiversary!   671 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:54 AM

Keep in mind that you'll need a slim DVD drive for that case. I know there aren't a lot of mini-ITX boards out there, but I would avoid going with a LGA775 based mobo/processor since your upgrade options are going be increasingly limited. There are a few LGA 1156 mini-ITX boards out there that could be a good match for an i3 530. A setup like this would be a good if you're trying to keep the prices sort of low.

EDIT: For the people saying video cards won't fit:

Spoiler


OMG that card looks so beastly in that case!:hot:

#9 Yagami   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1202 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:11 PM

Yeah but will the PC actually run games. Unless there's some fans tucked away we don't see that looks like it would overheat quick.

#10 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 01:13 PM

Yeah but will the PC actually run games. Unless there's some fans tucked away we don't see that looks like it would overheat quick.


Testing: Cooling
Our first performance question after installing some killer hardware into the Sugo SG07? How are the temperatures? As you can imagine, a small form factor case normally does not have the better airflow or larger internal volume to dissipate and exhaust hot air. But as we saw during our discussion of the 180mm Air Penetrator fan, this is no ordinary SFF case.

To test the operating temperatures with the SG07, we conducted three separate tests: CPU, GPU, and System. The first test loaded up the CPU with Prime95 for 20 minutes and recorded the temperatures. After idling and cooling back down, the second test loaded up the graphics card with FurMark for 20 minutes, and temperatures recorded. The last test was our System torture test, whereby we loaded up Prime95 and FurMark for 20 minutes, loading up the CPU and GPUs simultaneously to test temperatures.

Since our setup was designed as a gaming rather than a silent HTPC, for example, we left the Penetrator fan run on High setting for the duration of the tests. The CPU and GPU fans were left at Auto settings, and the ambient temperature was maintained at 23°C.

So how did the SG07 perform? Take a look below:


In our CPU test loaded for 20 minutes, we see a respectable increase of only 13°C on the processor and absolutely no increase on the graphics card core. With temperatures like this, the 655K chip CPU could easily be heavily overclocked and would still maintain safe temperatures.

Next up, the FurMark test:


Here we see that the CPU temperature only inceased by 2°C due to the heat output coming off the back of the monstrous Radeon 5970. That is a very good result, while the graphics card did an excellent job in staying at the 74°C mark.

Lastly, let's fully load up the system and see how a worst case scenario fares:


Excellent results here. With Prime95 and FurMark going full tilt for 20 minutes, we see an increase in the CPU and GPU of only 1°C more than when the tests were run separately. This means that even during heavy gaming sessions with the most powerful graphics card on the market, the temperatures barely nudged up from when they weren't run together. Essentially what we're seeing here is that the 180mm Air Penetrator fan and airflow inside the SG07 is fabulous, and SilverStone has nailed down a winner in terms of temperatures.

#11 shosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1129 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 02:51 PM

then why even ask here? you seem to already know it all with your review. i think we all have built many systems and can see what overheating can do. i really don't understand why you need to build a gaming machine in a small form factor when you can easily save 150 bucks getting a mid tower case like a antec three hundred. you can use that money for a decent processor

#12 jkam   Smash It Up CAGiversary!   12144 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 03:15 PM

then why even ask here? you seem to already know it all with your review. i think we all have built many systems and can see what overheating can do. i really don't understand why you need to build a gaming machine in a small form factor when you can easily save 150 bucks getting a mid tower case like a antec three hundred. you can use that money for a decent processor


Well I asked because I've never built a system before and as I said I am open to suggestions. I only posted the review to point out that the case cooling was actually pretty decent...as compared to others the same size...not to be a douche...although I could see it could be taken the wrong way. I apologize if that is how it came off because it really wasn't my intention.

As for the size of the case...I am trying to get rid of the bulky desktop but I'm seeing that I may be better off with something a little bigger when it comes to gaming. I'm new to this. If you wouldn't mind providing me a link to the Antec case I'll definitely take a look at it.

#13 RAMSTORIA   fate is inexorable CAGiversary!   11980 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 03:28 PM

GPU http://www.newegg.co...250 low profile

#14 iRent   RPG Junkie CAGiversary!   671 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2010 - 05:51 PM

I was looking at your other thread and I really like the LIAN LI that was recommended. I've been looking at another guy's build with it and with either case I'm sure you'll run into some heat problems.

Here's the thread if you're interested: http://forums.bit-te...ad.php?t=190391

Of course he uses liquid cooling but I'm a little concerned about his video card. Maybe he should find a liquid cooled one as well.

You're thread was making me want to build an itx form factor as an htpc but I'm not really comfortable with setting up a liquid cool system.