The Christine O'Donnell Thread

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Christine O'Donnell, DE GOP Senate candidate, has some odd views. Post your favorites here.

Here's mine:

O’DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you’re exaggerating or lying to, because it’s not respecting reality.
[BILL] MAHER: Quite the opposite, it can be respect.
[EDDIE] IZZARD: What if someone comes to you in the middle of the Second World War and says, ‘do you have any Jewish people in your house?’ and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler.
O’DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!
[BILL] MAHER: God is not there. Hitler’s there and you’re there.
O’DONNELL: You never have to practice deception. God always provides a way out.
 
fuck that. If camoor gets to make a Ginny Thomas thread (wife of clarence thomas who has no political power), I get to make an O'Donnell thread who has a possibility of being in the United States Senate. One warrants more scrutiny then the other, sorry that's how it is.
 
Dude tea partiers are extremely socially conservative, where have you been? They're one in the same. Tea party = base of the Republican party.
 
The more I read about this lady the more scared I get for the country.

But seriously. I would be a Tea Partier myself if their platform didn't consist of shouting socialism incessantly.
 
Never a good idea to have user submitted content on your home page when it gets indexed:

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Although, now I'm not 100% sure if that's an official page of hers. Her main campaign page only has a link to donate, no information or anything else.
 
Why is it that the people who talk about reality are usually the ones who have no idea of what it is.
 
Saying lieing is wrong is an odd view. Wow. Anyways, way to criticize and make fun of someone for claiming that lieing is wrong according to their religion. Bill Maher and IRHari are both intolerant bigots.
 
I find it funny, that she spends ten minutes on television discussing lying, and she's know in Republican circles in the state of Delaware as a serial liar.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Anyways, way to criticize and make fun of someone for claiming that lieing is wrong according to their religion.[/QUOTE]

farleigh fucking dickinson.
 
Please, if she asked about how she looked and somebody said "you look awful" I don't think she'd appreciate it. People don't mind lies that make them feel better.
 
If someone claims that lying is unequivocally wrong, that person is going to be made fun of. Why that person believes it doesnt matter. Whether its because its part of their religion, their parents taught them or the guy in the park with the sandwich board had a really convincing argument, its hilariously wrong and deserves ridicule.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Saying lieing is wrong is an odd view. Wow. Anyways, way to criticize and make fun of someone for claiming that lieing is wrong according to their religion. Bill Maher and IRHari are both intolerant bigots.[/QUOTE]

Look I think it's admirable that she thinks it's wrong to lie. But when it leads you to positions like not protecting Jews in your attic from Nazis...there's a line.

Not to mention the numerous lies she's told about herself and her finances. She stated she beat Biden in some of the 3 counties in Delaware when she did no such thing. So much for lying.

And I sympathize with people who can't pay their bills and shit. I'm concerned about her positions on the issues, and what she thinks government should do about it.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']If someone claims that lying is unequivocally wrong, that person is going to be made fun of. [/QUOTE]

Especially if they are running for political office. An honest politician is sort of seen as an oxymoron.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Look I think it's admirable that she thinks it's wrong to lie. But when it leads you to positions like not protecting Jews in your attic from Nazis...there's a line.

Not to mention the numerous lies she's told about herself and her finances. She stated she beat Biden in some of the 3 counties in Delaware when she did no such thing. So much for lying.

And I sympathize with people who can't pay their bills and shit. I'm concerned about her positions on the issues, and what she thinks government should do about it.[/QUOTE]

The older I get the more I have come to realize that a lot of people believe that if they can convince themselves that something is true, it is no longer a lie. I believe this is how a lot of politicians become successful.
 
Look, you're focusing on the more extreme things like a stupid show that used to be on comedy central where she sounds like an idiot. But it's more insidious than that. Becasue when you show clips like that, and the one about masturbation, it looks like you're just picking on her.

First, Let's talk about policy. This is a woman who wants to...

Eliminate Social Security.
Eliminate the VA
Publicly advocated for the US invasion of Iran.

She has performed absolutely no public services for residents in the state of Delaware. In 2006 she ran for senate against Mike Protak and Jan Ting. She won 20% of the republican vote because she was considered a joke compared to the other two people. And even then she still didn't give up because she ran a write in campaign.

After that, since she is a good public speaker, she was approached by the republican party and offered the opportunity for republican support in another more local position so she could give back to the community and learn how to be a legislater. And she turned it down, because in her own mind, she was too good to be a state legislater. She believes, literally, she has a higher calling from God to be a US Senator. She thinks she's a soldier of God and that's why she uses religion constantly in her language.

So then in 2008, she ran again against Joe Biden. And the Republican party let her because she was the only one stupid enough to run against Biden, who is overwhelmingly popular in the state. That was a mistake. Hell, I should have ran against her in the primary, just to have anyone run against her. Because that gave her sense of legitimacy among the rank and file. But she's crazy. It was in that election that she lost the state, 65-35%. I mean, a total landslide.

And this is when people really realized she's crazy. Because she fundamentally didn't believe that she lost the election. She blamed everyone around her for her loss. It was their fault and not hers. That's why she can go on a talk show and say she nearly beat Biden. And then weh it's pointed out she didn't even win Sussex of Kent, she claims she tied! Because she denies reality when it doesn't fit into her expectations.

She states she fired her campaign staff when she fights the charges that she didn't pay them. That's technically true. She did fire them, because she blamed them for her loss and refused to pay them because she delusionally believed they betrayed her and were working against her. She treated them like shit behind closed doors. On top of that, while that whole dispute was going on, the party found out that she was using campaign contributions as her personal slush fund!

I mean, when the hell has a former campaign manager for a candidate ever run a robo call like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhptWcS5CQw

So how the hell did she win? On average for a normal primary we would have had 30,000 republicans vote. In a contested and publicized primary it would have been 36,000. We had 56,000 republicans come out and vote! 20,000 who have never been involved in party politics. These are people who never go to a community meeting, never followed politics, don't know a damn thing about anything. But because they're angry and they see tea party on a flyer they go out and vote. If just the normal republicans had voted, Castle would have won 60-40. But those 20,000 people who came out to vote sure as hell weren't motivated by Castle. They were pissed at him because they felt he had abandoned the party, and practically he had.

But they also don't know that Christine Odonell is not a good human being. And it's hard for me to say that, because it goes against my Christian beliefs to characterize someone like that. But there are bad human beings in the world. I can't realistically deny that. And trust me, she's one of them. But the irony is, when I point this out to fellow republicans, they think I'm the party hack, and making shit up.

Look, I'm not just saying this crap because I'm some RINO. We have other conservatives in the party I'm busting my hump for that no one talks about or volunteers for. I've dropped hundreds of flyers for republican candidates. People like Fred Cullis, Colin Bonini, and even thought I personally supported Michelle Rollins I'm fine with Glen Urqhart as a representative. I may not agree 100% with some of their positions on policy but they're not bad people. They're motivated by the idea of public service and wanting to give back to the community. They believe in a set of values. Christine isn't in the class of people like that.

And here's the scary thing. She has a very, very, very good chance of winning. It's my personal belief she's going to beat Chris Coons. Chris Coons is not beloved in New Castle. He pissed off the unions AND raised taxes three years in a row. He uses one of his staffers as a personal driver. And the secret of Delaware politics is that, while democrats outnumber republicans 2-1 in registrations, they don't vote! When you look at actual voters, the republican and democratic base is equal. In fact, it leans republican. Because a lot of those democrats are former republicans so they're really swing voters. But when they get pissed, they come back and vote republican. And everyone is pissed. And I've cruched the numbers based on yesterday's primary and she has a very, very good chance of winning.
 
do you ever get a feeling that this whole thing is an experiment in entropy and voters are voting less with a platform of issues and more with a twisted sense of humor?
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']I'm fine with Glen Urqhart as a representative[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Glen Urqhart'] "[The] next time your liberal friends talk about the separation of church and state, ask them why they're Nazis."[/QUOTE]

You sure? Though he did apologize for that.

And yeah like I said I'm more worried about her positions on the issues, although they're pretty much cookie cutter tea party positions. Privatize social security, medicare etc. like you said. Cut everything but defense spending. Those positions concern me.

Not a Delaware resident but if what you say is true that is kind of scary. Hopefully Coons won't pull a Coakley and think this is in the bag and not go out campaigning. We know how that turns out.
 
I'm still pretty entertained that this tea party idea has blown up in the GOP's face. Instead of energizing people to walk with them, they instead gave a bunch of insane people (that have been around for years) a voice and credibility.

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Better luck next time
 
[quote name='Knoell']Saying lieing is wrong is an odd view. Wow. Anyways, way to criticize and make fun of someone for claiming that lieing is wrong according to their religion. Bill Maher and IRHari are both intolerant bigots.[/QUOTE]

Lying can be right if you do it to save lives. That's why they brought up the Jews and Hitler analogy. You lie to save the lives in your house even though it could come at great personal danger. Her view is that God will swoop in and distract the Nazis before you have to lie....
 
[quote name='evanft']I'd fuck the shit out of her.[/QUOTE]
That's going to be quite the job considering how full of it she is.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Lying can be right if you do it to save lives. That's why they brought up the Jews and Hitler analogy. You lie to save the lives in your house even though it could come at great personal danger. Her view is that God will swoop in and distract the Nazis before you have to lie....[/QUOTE]

Which is pretty sound logic when you consider the Nazis never found any hidden Jews nor did they ever kill anyone hiding them. God really did a fantastic job swooping in at just the right time.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']Which is pretty sound logic when you consider the Nazis never found any hidden Jews nor did they ever kill anyone hiding them. God really did a fantastic job swooping in at just the right time.[/QUOTE]

I can't tell if you're joking or not. I mean you did hear about Anne Frank right?
 
Political ideology aside...can we at least agree that the right churns out better looking female candidates?
 
[quote name='depascal22']I can't tell if you're joking or not. I mean you did hear about Anne Frank right?[/QUOTE]

I read it as sarcasm.
 
[quote name='niceguyshawne']I read it as sarcasm.[/QUOTE]

I did too. I think Knoell and Bob completely screwed my sarcasm detector though.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx'] Political ideology aside...can we at least agree that the right churns out better looking female candidates?[/QUOTE]

I'll concede that point. But do we think that the right's female candidates are more intelligent then the left's female candidates?
 
[quote name='IRHari']I'll concede that point. But do we think that the right's female candidates are more intelligent then the left's female candidates?[/QUOTE]

IDK. But I will say that its smart to run women who are attractive and don't come across as tired old shrews. The left needs to figure this out.

Resent political history has shown that qualifications have nothing to do with winning elections.

Sad but true.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']Political ideology aside...can we at least agree that the right churns out better looking female candidates?[/QUOTE]

In general? fuck no, IF they're White. Most of the Conservative White women who run for office or are pundits are usually ugly. Compare that to the Liberal, Libertarian or Middle of the road one's.
I'm not saying there aren't attractive Conservative White women. The thing is, usually they don't run for office.
Palin is attractive in the body sense but her face is weird in my opinion. Would you really want to have to look at her face while having sex with her? I mean seriously.
Anne Coulture is HORRIBLE. Sure she's thin et al but she is NOT attractive in the face. Also if that weren't the case her attitude is ugly as fuck.
As for Conservative minority chicks, look at Amy Holmes(cute as can be) and Michelle Malkin.

If you want to talk about Conservative men, Sean Hannity looks good. Shepard Smith I SUPPOSE one might consider as cute but he's got too strong a case of Gay Face for me. I know there are more good looking Conservative men but I just think of fat fucks like Rusty Humphrees and Rush Limbaugh.

Ackbar why didn't you run? I mean what are your views? You know me and mine right? I'm Pro-Gun rights, pro Gay Marriage, Pro-Choice, Anti-Death Penalty. I also am more for Rehabilitation over Reincarceration if it's possible. It saves money that way. I believe in paid education for everyone K-college(Trade School included). It ends up being worth it for our society in general, economically and intellectually.
With Gun Rights, I believe in "Conceal and Carry".

Also, on another note, I can't believe anyone who fancies themselves as a dyed in the wool Conservative would want to get rid of the VA. You have to be a piece of shit to support that view in my opinion.

edit: Now Dick Cheney's straight daughter should run, she's easily better looking then Palin.
 
I don't run because I don't have the hubris of people like Christien O'donell and Mike Protack to think I'm instantly qualified to be a United States Senator. Not to mention, in my area I don't have the opportunity to run because I'm lucky to live in a area with excellent representation on both the Democratic and Republican sides.

Serving the public is hard work. And I'm learning that. I got to civic league meetings and community meetings and I work with state legislaters to get things done like oppose new developments and make sure DelDOT does traffic studies and make sure the a new incinerator isn't installed in the heart of downown Elsemere. I fundamentally belive that if people took two hours out of the month to go to a civic league meeting, they would learn more about whats going on in their community and directly impacts them then watching 2 hours of news every night. Yet when you go to these meetings, maybe 5 residents show up.

To give another example, there's a local politician, a political newcomer in the state, originally ran for the house of representatives. Then two rich people stepped in and he backed out because he knew he couldn't compete with them from a money perspective. And I sat in his home, helping him start up a local campaign, and we had a frank discussion about him running for federal office. He had never run before. I told him, it was good he dropped out, because one of the problems we have as republicans in this stte is political newcomers running for major office. He argued that studies show that a large number of first time candidates win. I believe he said about 1/3. But I countered that a lot of times candidates win for reasons other than their fitness for office. And you need to learn the tools. You need to know how to speak to people, what to say, what not to say, how to organize a campaign, why is policy this and not that, how will you enact your policies. And this candidate took my advice, is running for a local office, and he himself has admitted that he's learning by leaps and bounds.

Take for example another candidate I was in a meeting with who was considering running for federal office. He's rich, a former CEO, and we sat down with him to discuss him running for congress. So I sit with him for 45 minutes with another couple of party people and in just that time he says...

1) He talks casually about how his wealth and how he jet sets across the globe between London, Paris and New York.
2) He makes a jokes about wanting to shoot palestinians.
3) He makes a comment that most americans are poor for good reasons.
4) Then he states, "Everyone knows that Rosevelt and the New Deal didn't end the Depression. World War 2 did."

Now I'm asking a few questions but I'm mostly silent sitting around the table with other republicans. Tthey're just nodding their heads like sycophants. And I speak up after that last crack and I just go off. "You can't say that!"

You can't make a comment about the New Deal. One, whether you believe it or not, it does no good to help you. Because it doesn't convince a single voter that isn't already going to vote for you to change their mind. In fact, it'll piss off swing democrats. So it can only hurt. Two, whether you agree with it or not, the vast majority of americans believe that the New Deal helped save capitalism and fundamentally improved their lives. It is part of the american tapestry. And when you say that, it makes you sound like another conservative hack. Three, your argument is fundamentally contradictory. Because on the one hand you're saying a goverment intervention didn't end the depression. But that the LARGEST goverment intervention and mobalization in the history of country did! You can't make a joke about shooting people! When unemployment is 10% you can't play up as one of your qualifications that you jet set across the globe on your private jet.

I have another candidate who I guess could be called my shepard. He's helping me learn the politics and public service aspect. How laws get made and how he works to solve problems. How he approaches fundraisers. He's run for local office five times and lost 4. And he told me, it wasn't until his fifth time that it clicked for him, that he learned how to run, and that's why he won. To be fair to Christine, one thing she has done is learned to campaign, because she's done nothing but that for the past five years.

As for me on policy, most conservative would call me a moderate. I don't personally consider myself conservative, liberal or moderate. I identify myself as a Republican. I believe in the core prinicinples of the party. Personal responsability, limited goverment, fiscal responsability and economic expansion. But I also don't drink the Republican Kool Aid and I have a bullshit detector with a mile radius.

Take your example on conceal carry laws. I fundamentally believe that americans have a right to bear arms. But there have to be some limits and regulations. When the conceal carry laws became big a decade ago, My personal instincct was to oppose them. But I kept an open mind and looked at it from a policy perspective. The facts are, in states with conceal carry laws, crime rates drop. They just do. People with concealed weapons use it for personal protection and it scares off criminals. There is no doubt of that. So I fundamentally support conceal carry laws not because of some knee jerk gun rights position but because it's good public policy.

That doesn't mean I support people carrying conceals guns in schools or hospitals or goverment buildings. Because that's a security risk. also I'm fundamentally opposed to open carry laws. Because open carry laws are a form of intimidation. Those that support open carry argue that they have a right to carry arms and that they're no threat to anyone. But the other people around you don't know that. When you enter a room with a loaded side arm you are intentionally signaling to everyone there that you have the power to use lethal force and you aren't afraid to use it. They don't know what kind of person you are. At that point it becomes not about personal protection but making an intimidating statement. Further, it's an increased security risk. Because now law enfocement has to keep their eye on you when there may be other threats in the area. They have to focus all your attention on you, and not the car thief, or drug dealer, or purse snatcher. Because you are a greater threat because you're carrying a wepaon thta can kill. From that persective, open carry laws are bad public policy.

But it's ultimately about doing what is best for the most people through a reasoned analysis of the facts. Not some knee jerk reacton because it's the "conservative" or "liberal" position.
 
As for me on policy, most conservative would call me a moderate. I don't personally consider myself conservative, liberal or moderate. I identify myself as a Republican. I believe in the core prinicinples of the party. Personal responsability, limited goverment, fiscal responsability and economic expansion.

When were Republicans ever serious about any of that?

Must have been before my time.
 
Yet another dumb fuck for the tea bagger movement. Apparently, she has such ethics that compel her to use campaign funds on her rent and personal expenses according to her unpaid volunteers from her previous election runs. Corruption AND stupidity! Does this sound like the teabaggers are offering anything new to the status quo?
 
Knowing what to say and what not to say is problem with politics. Politicians won't just speak their minds, they say what they need to in order to make the voters push the button. Most of us could never be politicians because we're too honest about our opinions.

Politicians can't be honest with us, and it's basically our own fault.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']You can't make a comment about the New Deal. One, whether you believe it or not, it does no good to help you. Because it doesn't convince a single voter that isn't already going to vote for you to change their mind. In fact, it'll piss off swing democrats. So it can only hurt. Two, whether you agree with it or not, the vast majority of americans believe that the New Deal helped save capitalism and fundamentally improved their lives. It is part of the american tapestry. And when you say that, it makes you sound like another conservative hack. Three, your argument is fundamentally contradictory. Because on the one hand you're saying a goverment intervention didn't end the depression. But that the LARGEST goverment intervention and mobalization in the history of country did! You can't make a joke about shooting people! When unemployment is 10% you can't play up as one of your qualifications that you jet set across the globe on your private jet.
[/QUOTE]dude I barely remember what the new deal is. i think most people under thirty who aren't polysci majors don't either. the rest of it I can co-sign. I've always imagined that politicians would have some amount of tact and reservedness but everytime I dip my attention to the political spectrum it's people spouting off. It's one thing if you want to make jokes about killing towel heads with your friends and family. I really don't care but when you're speaking in public or into a recording how does that seem ok? if you're not ok with homosexuality that's fine, but saying "**** the $$$s" isn't the way. I was watching a video for a mayoral candidate and it's just 14 minutes of him bashing the top 5 candidates in the most juvenile manner possible. I wrote him a page and half on why pretty much everything but the last 90 seconds need to be redone.
 
and she practice WITCHCRAFT! So wonder Palin supports her so much. She's just looking out for her own wicked kind. This is pretty much an irrefutable prove that Sarah Palin is a witch and needs to be stopped at all cost.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']I don't run because I don't have the hubris of people like Christien O'donell and Mike Protack to think I'm instantly qualified to be a United States Senator. Not to mention, in my area I don't have the opportunity to run because I'm lucky to live in a area with excellent representation on both the Democratic and Republican sides.

Take for example another candidate I was in a meeting with who was considering running for federal office. He's rich, a former CEO, and we sat down with him to discuss him running for congress. So I sit with him for 45 minutes with another couple of party people and in just that time he says...

1) He talks casually about how his wealth and how he jet sets across the globe between London, Paris and New York.
2) He makes a jokes about wanting to shoot palestinians.
3) He makes a comment that most americans are poor for good reasons.
4) Then he states, "Everyone knows that Rosevelt and the New Deal didn't end the Depression. World War 2 did."

Now I'm asking a few questions but I'm mostly silent sitting around the table with other republicans. Tthey're just nodding their heads like sycophants. And I speak up after that last crack and I just go off. "You can't say that!"

But it's ultimately about doing what is best for the most people through a reasoned analysis of the facts. Not some knee jerk reacton because it's the "conservative" or "liberal" position.[/QUOTE]

What a ignorant pos. That asshole, with the 4 points. I mean talk about being out of touch. Let me guess, the idiot mentions how he pulled himself up by his bootstraps on point #3. Likely he believes they don't work hard enough or are smart enough like him.
News fucking flash, PEOPLE inspire other people to create things so there is some indebtedness you have to the communicational commons(YES, I likely am one of the first to create this term). You also use the roads(the Commons we traditionally know) as a distribution measure, etc., etc. These were GOVERNMENT projects, whether state or federal.
All that being said, you have the right to be selfish and not give back but I'd also argue you're a piece of shit and helping cripple society in the process. If you wish you can say deconstruct.
Sorry it just gets me angry.
As for the New Deal I'm not a fan of FDR, hearing he was a big friend to the Bankers. That being said I think he was valid in doing the new deal, if not for employment, for upkeep purposes of our transportation systems and I believe it was the Commons in general. This was either for the betterment or upkeep of it. If I am wrong then please correct me on that point.
But yeah I'd donate money to you and I usually don't but then I believe you're sane and not a greedy pos like most of the Republicans and Democrats. You don't believe that government is an ATM for yourself as well as your friends.
 
You know, she had a glimmer of a point right up until she started bashing birth control. I would like to know why I never received any pornographic material in high school*.

*From the school.
 
[quote name='Clak']You know, she had a glimmer of a point right up until she started bashing birth control. I would like to know why I never received any pornographic material in high school*.

*From the school.[/QUOTE]

You really think so?

Curing more heart disease would cost pennies on the dollar - all you'd have to do would be to post the calories on McD's menu. 'Course then you're going to get the tea party all riled up (all those fat ignorant slobs screaming about socialism getting up in their favorite fatburger chain)

Full circle man.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Personal responsibility....but yet she claims that heart disease patients are responsible.[/QUOTE]

I am not for or against her, but I believe she was saying that we encourage people to change their lifestyle when they have heart disease and some people do, but the government doesn't spend money to encourage "kind of (but not really) heart friendly cheeseburgers" while it does spend money to encourage "surrre continue to engage in sexual activity, just try to use protection".
 
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