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Serious question about morals


#1 tippx   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   3 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:38 AM

In Europe, a woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to make. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $ 1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug-for his wife. Should the husband have done that? Why?

#2 nonggame   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1043 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:43 AM

Wtf

#3 EDiTOR9   Huh? CAGiversary!   1960 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:44 AM

Yes, he should've. It's a matter of life or death for someone.

#4 lokizz   Go $$$$ Yourself CAGiversary!   10104 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:48 AM

if he had no other alternative id say yes. hes wrong for stealing however and should face penalties if caught but who wouldnt do that for someone they love?

#5 advanced   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2944 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:05 AM

I can't answer the question, because I've never been in a situation such as that, but I can say what I'd do.

If that were me, I'd have done the same thing. Once the medicine worked however, I'd turn myself into the authorities and face the punishment for doing so. What are they going to do after the drug worked and there was nothing left but its container, shoot my wife?

#6 Jek Porkins   The Big Man in Orange CAGiversary!   670 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:18 AM

Europe has universal health care. Heinz is wasting his time thinking about this.

Also, is your intro to Psych paper due soon?

#7 neverletthem   is all out of gum. CAGiversary!   1129 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:19 AM

Kohlberg's stages of moral development up in here.

#8 Magus8472   The Sudden Stop CAGiversary!   1408 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:28 AM

Another ruthless capitalist thwarted. And he would've gotten away with it, too, if not for you meddling kids.

#9 crunchb3rry   HODOR! CAGiversary!   5524 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:42 AM

The guy was probably a snake oil salesman to begin with. As for the husband, you can't fault him. Kinda of like Jean Valjean in Les Miserables. Stealing to help someone else survive, leading to the flipside question: is it right to harshly punish someone for it? Heck, you can get out of murder charges if they think you were temporarily out of your head and had no control over your actions. You can bet this guy's courtroom drama will be whether he just kicked the door down and took it, or spent a week planning an Oceans Eleven heist to get it.

#10 Tony208   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2201 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:42 AM

People kill people for Jordan's.

#11 crunchb3rry   HODOR! CAGiversary!   5524 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 06:49 AM

If the doctor was smart, he would have told the guy "I'll take $1000 but you gotta agree to let me document this for medical journals, etc." and if it worked he'd be depositing a hell of a lot more than $2K in his bank account.

Seriously though, if you have a cure for cancer (even just one form of it) and hold it back for profit, you deserve more than being burglarized. Seems extremely contradictory to the Hippocratic oath.

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 07:26 AM

Wrong forum?

#13 gregthomas77   Custom User Title CAGiversary!   1984 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 12:46 PM

Kohlberg's stages of moral development up in here.


This.

#14 Rasen   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   693 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:55 PM

Europe has universal health care. Heinz is wasting his time thinking about this.


I don't think universal health care will cover experimental, likely unproven treatments.

#15 seanr1221   :'( CAGiversary!   24430 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:32 PM

Europe has universal health care. Heinz is wasting his time thinking about this.

Also, is your intro to Psych paper due soon?


:lol:

Sounds like we're doing his homework for him.

#16 nasum   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3480 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 02:54 PM

Heinz should just cut out the middle man and put his wife out of her misery.

#17 irideabike   no show CAGiversary!   6039 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:01 PM

probably wasn't a real cure.

#18 Access_Denied   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2838 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:15 PM

That's capitalism for you. Learn to love it, or move to China. Or the US. :p

#19 gargus   Banned Banned   2231 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:34 PM

probably wasn't a real cure.


So? Someone is dying and a actual real licensed doctor says he might have something that could help do you take the chance or do you let your wife die and then live with the fact your wife is dead because "Eh, it probablly wouldnt have worked".

#20 dannyox718   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   425 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 03:39 PM

Should a man steal to save his wife? Should a father steal to keep his kids from starving to death? If the man did everything in his power to exhaust all other options (working hard to make money, burrowing from others, etc) the answer must be YES. This sort of situation can ONLY occur due to the flaws of his society, and it is his duty to protect his family members. A life is worth more than all the money in the world.

#21 JoeJohn   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   726 Posts   Joined 16.4 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:00 PM

Wow! Tough question! The husband should not steal the drugs. The drug looks like it was untested so she would have died anyway.

#22 MisterHand   Talk to the Hand! CAGiversary!   373 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:03 PM

Link to the news story? Or is this a hypothetical?

Either way, you'll have to play through Dead Rising 2 to find the stunning truth.

#23 DrMunkee   Logical AND dreamy CAGiversary!   880 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:21 PM

Link to the news story? Or is this a hypothetical?

Either way, you'll have to play through Dead Rising 2 to find the stunning truth.


Hypothetical. I've seen the same question repeated when I took basic philosophy classes.

#24 Javery   Drug-Dealer-Keeper-Awayer CAGiversary!   22425 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 04:22 PM

Europe has universal health care. Heinz is wasting his time thinking about this.

Also, is your intro to Psych paper due soon?


:applause:

#25 evildeadjedi   RIP DIO \m/ \m/ CAGiversary!   4750 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 05:00 PM

:lol:

Sounds like we're doing his homework for him.


I had the exact same question in one of my classes last year, I believe it was Intro to Sociology.

#26 Quillion   Not Proprietary CAGiversary!   2832 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 18 October 2010 - 10:40 PM

The only ethical response is to stick it in her pooper.

#27 crunchb3rry   HODOR! CAGiversary!   5524 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 October 2010 - 11:43 PM

^ I just posted that in another thread. Seriously, is there no thread on the internet where that phrase cannot be applied? I THINK NOT!

#28 CitizenOne   Numero Uno CAGiversary!   641 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 12:24 AM

Is it wrong to steal? Yes.
Would I personally condemn him for doing so in this situation? No
Should he face the repercussions of his actions? Yes

#29 crystalklear64   Ded CAGiversary!   13617 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 01:07 AM

what do you mean "should" he have done that?

he did it. whats the should? are you suggesting there is a scale by which to measure the should or shouldnotness of an action?

#30 Malik112099   Got Wife? CAGiversary!   8221 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 02:43 AM

Stick the radium in her pooper.