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#2791 esalw822   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1343 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:23 PM

The benefit of what doubt? Do you enjoy instigating disruptive posts or something?

I actually stated a valid point with the mod. You're playing suck up.



He's not instigating. Io tried to tell you that there's a hard-limit 25 day period for trades. You're right that it's not listed anywhere on Amazon (only the 7 day mailing period is mentioned), but it exists. You don't have to take io's word for it (or mine, or any of us cracking jokes because we've been doing this fairly extensively and fairly regularly for a pretty long time).

Open a trade on Amazon. Doesn't matter what game. Doesn't matter if you print the label. Doesn't matter if you send it in. The system will automatically cancel out that trade on the 25th day no matter what stage in the process the trade is at. Everything else up to that 25 day period is gravy. You'll be fine. This is an experiment you can conduct/verify yourself. No getting lucky or pulling anything out of thin air required.

And the Amazon TIVs aren't based on "monopolizing the value" but rather on an algorithm they use that factors in their selling price of an item and how many trades they're getting of that item (among other things I'm sure). That's why the games with weird/high spikes in value (and this has happened a lot of times before this current "old gen" game spike) also usually have abnormally high listing prices and the values tank when too many trades are locked-in.

I think you might be giving Amazon and their trade-in corporation partners a little too much credit and assigning a little too much human perspective/thought/foresight into a system controlled largely by a computer algorithm. These same spikes happen to Wii shovelware (some Unicorn and Magic Carnival games netted like $60 a piece back in the day, along with some $40 NDS Fireman game) and these were games that were/are readily available at GS and other places for dirt cheap. They weren't rare, they weren't valuable. And they never sold for anywhere close to the amount of trade-in credit we got for them at the time.

It's a glitch, but more a reoccurring glitch in the system rather than a temporary glitch currently assigned to just these "old gen" games. Best to take advantage of them when/if you can.

#2792 CGH   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1034 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:32 PM

Seems intentonal week of wiiu iphone 5 ipod touch 5 preorders to much coincidence.

He's not instigating. Io tried to tell you that there's a hard-limit 25 day period for trades. You're right that it's not listed anywhere on Amazon (only the 7 day mailing period is mentioned), but it exists. You don't have to take io's word for it (or mine, or any of us cracking jokes because we've been doing this fairly extensively and fairly regularly for a pretty long time).

Open a trade on Amazon. Doesn't matter what game. Doesn't matter if you print the label. Doesn't matter if you send it in. The system will automatically cancel out that trade on the 25th day no matter what stage in the process the trade is at. Everything else up to that 25 day period is gravy. You'll be fine. This is an experiment you can conduct/verify yourself. No getting lucky or pulling anything out of thin air required.

And the Amazon TIVs aren't based on "monopolizing the value" but rather on an algorithm they use that factors in their selling price of an item and how many trades they're getting of that item (among other things I'm sure). That's why the games with weird/high spikes in value (and this has happened a lot of times before this current "old gen" game spike) also usually have abnormally high listing prices and the values tank when too many trades are locked-in.

I think you might be giving Amazon and their trade-in corporation partners a little too much credit and assigning a little too much human perspective/thought/foresight into a system controlled largely by a computer algorithm. These same spikes happen to Wii shovelware (some Unicorn and Magic Carnival games netted like $60 a piece back in the day, along with some $40 NDS Fireman game) and these were games that were/are readily available at GS and other places for dirt cheap. They weren't rare, they weren't valuable. And they never sold for anywhere close to the amount of trade-in credit we got for them at the time.

It's a glitch, but more a reoccurring glitch in the system rather than a temporary glitch currently assigned to just these "old gen" games. Best to take advantage of them when/if you can.


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#2793 CGH   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1034 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 01:35 PM

I sent in black label dual shock ed they sent my $30 my wavebird w/receiver no box rejected second bundle of gba gbc snes games accepted waiting on eight bundles I sent out.

It's weird. They have RE:2(PS1) for a couple bucks, then they have the greatest hits version for $30. I picked the GH, but I'm trading in the original. We'll see what happens!


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#2794 NiiNJA   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   230 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 03:54 PM

is it just me or are pretty much no ps2 game values messed up? i've checked numerous times and they never seem to fluctuate like xbox/gamecube and older systems.

#2795 NSpectreGarrus   CAGosaurus Rex! CAGiversary!   691 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

is it just me or are pretty much no ps2 game values messed up? i've checked numerous times and they never seem to fluctuate like xbox/gamecube and older systems.


Yeah, I only sent in N64, NES, SNES, PS1, and Gamecube games. They are becoming popular again, PS2 was just too mass produced and isn't old enough to be "retro" yet.

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#2796 NiiNJA   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   230 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:42 PM

alright cool, not even going to bother checking my ps2 games anymore.

and lol i just tried to combine two orders i had already locked in so i could save a box for shipping and watched the value of my 2 copies of the original crash plummet from 30 to 2.50 while i tried to do so. hope they go back up!

and i should note, when searching crash on amazon it comes up as 30 still (which is why i made the switch, i had checked all of the locked in games) but then once you click to trade it, it only registers at 2.50

#2797 K_G   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1027 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 04:50 PM

It's a glitch, but more a reoccurring glitch in the system rather than a temporary glitch currently assigned to just these "old gen" games. Best to take advantage of them when/if you can.


It has been going on too long for this.

As you point out, previous spikes were short lived, which means the system has checks to prevent it from going out of control/flagging stuff for human review. This has been going on for over a week and it is also only happening on older systems, not PS2 and newer systems. You are also assuming that the system is only for amazon's own selling efforts and not doesn't involve 3rd parties using amazon. I think Gamestop is behind this. All the games jumping up in values are from systems that GS doesn't carry anymore (gamecube stuff is/all but phased out at GS nowadays). Nothing crazy is going on with current gen games.

They've said they want to start a vintage game division
http://www.theverge....p-vintage-store

And while it might seem crazy for GS to use a competitor's trade in service, keep this in mind. Vintage games are unproven and, at best, will be a minor sideline business for GS, so it is unlikely they would choose to muck up their systems for the main business to handle vintage game trade ins.

If you were to start a vintage game retailer, how would you get the merch to start off?
1) You could hiring a staff to deal with 1000s of ebay auctions over some not short period of time .
2) You could hire a bunch of people and spend a lot of money building infrastructure for some sort of amazon like mail in trade in business for a yet to be proven new business.
3) or you could just use amazon's trade in system to get enough inventory to get the ball rolling enough to get the business off the ground. Once they have enough inventory/the business seems like it might work, they'll probably set up their own trade in by mail service.

While there have been some odd ball pricing (MTV music Generator for the PS1), most of the high values are on games/series with known demand (Mario games, JRPGs, star wars) based on either nostalgia or actual rarity (cubivore).

As to how this can work economically, I suspect that GS will do VGA lite grading system to appeal to collectors...so for all those disk only Silent Hill 1 they getting for $21 of amazon credit, GS will grade it and repackage them and sell it for $40 and for the black label complete Silent Hill they get for $30, they'll put in a sealed graded package and sell for $80.

Now this is all a guess on my part, but for these trade values to be this high on a relatively selective batch of games for this long is unlikely to be from some unplanned effort.

#2798 Toss   @TraderToss CAGiversary!   1536 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:03 PM

Interesting post...your idea was laid out well and makes sense.

Edit: was trying to contrast and encourage intelligent posts responding to my inquiry for "any ideas" vs some of the gibberish being posted in this thread recently

Edited by Toss, 27 September 2012 - 07:55 AM.

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#2799 NSpectreGarrus   CAGosaurus Rex! CAGiversary!   691 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 05:38 PM

They've said they want to start a vintage game division
http://www.theverge....p-vintage-store


As long as they only trade retro games on their website, I don't think that would be too bad. If they start accepting trade-ins in-store however, I think the second-hand market will dry up quick of retro games. At least in my area, most people don't use the internet for trading/selling games, so they sell in a yard sale or give to Goodwill.

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#2800 PublikDefender  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

It has been going on too long for this.

They've said they want to start a vintage game division
http://www.theverge....p-vintage-store

CEO Raines said, "But we've got to be a destination for gamers where, for cool stuff for gaming, you've got to go to Gamestop."

Now that's funny!

#2801 evanwink   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   197 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 06:57 PM

The longevity of this makes me wonder, but I still think it is a glitch. From what I've seen, it is only games with a new copy at a high price that are getting the high values (or games that are just plain worth a lot. e.g. Valkyrie Profile).

Anyway, I thought I'd post some results I've gotten, and answer a question I posted earlier in the thread: Yes, you do get an email when the trade goes through. I've now had two packages go through processing...

Donald Duck- Goin' Quackers! 1 Unacceptable $0.00 Returned (this was a former rental, I'm not surprised)
TimeSplitters: Future Perfect 1 Good - Pending (didn't have in collection so didn't send in)
Wario World 1 Acceptable (Condition Revised) $16.45 Gift Card Deposited (didn't have manual)
Diddy Kong Racing 1 Good - Pending
GoldenEye 007 1 Good - Pending
Castlevania 64 1 Good - Pending
Total 6 $16.45


later I received another email on same package:

Donald Duck- Goin' Quackers! 1 Unacceptable $0.00 Returned
TimeSplitters: Future Perfect 1 Good - Pending
Wario World 1 Acceptable (Condition Revised) $16.45 Gift Card Deposited
Diddy Kong Racing 1 Acceptable (Condition Revised) $21.00 Gift Card Deposited
GoldenEye 007 1 Acceptable (Condition Revised) $21.00 Gift Card Deposited
Castlevania 64 1 Acceptable (Condition Revised) $21.00 Gift Card Deposited
Total 6 $79.45

These N64 games were cart-only, and I didn't mean to select 'good', but it reset to that when I added another game and I didn't catch it before submitting.

Oddworld Abe's Oddysee 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Spyro the Dragon 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Road Rash 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Riven: The Sequel To Myst 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Elmo's Number Journey 1 Good - Pending
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back 1 Good - Pending
Red Dead Revolver 1 Good $30.00 Gift Card Deposited
Total 8 $180.00


Not sure what is up with the two pending, but I may not have sent in Crash 2 since I pulled all this from my collection and wasn't certain what all I had before locking in. I'll have to check the pics I snapped before boxing up. Either way, I'm pretty dang thrilled! (and have several more still processing!!)

#2802 MildObstruction   then let my “insanity” be the mother of my betrayal CAGiversary!   16579 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

Yep, things started cashing in for me today too. I am pleased by this thing they're doing.

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#2803 JKSonic   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2429 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:14 PM

Am I just missing it, or do they not take Tales of the Abyss for the 3DS? I know Best Buy doesn't take it, already tried...and looks like GS is only offering $11 for it.

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#2804 Pookymeister   I like almonds Super Moderators   15331 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:25 PM

3 packages delivered today. got a nice Amazon wish list ready for if these start going through for me, - new pc here i come.

#2805 silkysmooth   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   286 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:41 PM

Finding boxes and manuals for games you are trading in is very fun and very nice. Hoping they will take my acceptable stuff and bump it up to good because it's coming complete.

#2806 guyver2077   CAG Original CAGiversary!   15920 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:46 PM

ughh.. starting to see alot of the value drop :(

most of the xbox stuff no longer at $30

the tiv tracker site seems to not be up to date even though it says last updated a few hours ago

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#2807 ghozt   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   531 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:51 PM

yup was too late with some of my xbox games. looks like everything is tanking. went through some psx/n64 and they are all low.

#2808 irishsoccermbw   User was banned for this post CAGiversary!   6166 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 08:53 PM

Yep, things started cashing in for me today too. I am pleased by this thing they're doing.

p.s. Buffy's back up


My girlfriend and I both had things cash in on our accounts today...no shocker that all the values have tanked.

Looks like the dream has died.

Edited by irishsoccermbw, 26 September 2012 - 09:08 PM.


#2809 Artrigis   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   666 Posts   Joined 5.4 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:16 PM

Yeah, the most expensive TIV I see now is a Gamecube windwaker at $12, I think it has ended.

Now that its over. Here is what I got:
2nd batch
gba Power rangers wild force 15.20:hot:
n64 Pokemon snap 13.75
gba Harry Potter Chamber Sec 5.15
snes Donkey Kong 2 21.00
gbc Mario Bros Deluxe 21.00

1st batch
all gamecube
nhl hitz 2002 6.70:hot:
king arthur 4.00
Lego star wars 1.70
NFS Hot pursuit 5.75
nba street 2 6.00
Tony Hawk Underground 1.95
CoD Big Red 6.10
Sonic Mega Collection 5.90
King Kong 4.00
DK jungle beat 5.30
nba live 2005 2.55
fifa street 2 5.90
LOTR return of king 2.40

Total around 130. Plan on rebuying DKC 2... and no idea what to do with the rest lol. Maybe upgrade from my measly 20gb xbox hard drive. I pretty much consider this free money, most of what I traded in is regarded as trash games that id have trouble selling at a decent price.
Had a CIB black gamecube, was hoping the TIV would be matched to the platinum GC which was at $80. But unfortunately no time as this ended =(

Question: Is there any way Amazon would argue these TIV's and give me less than what was promised to me now that everything has plummeted? I know they could just deny the trade ins though for any reason. Just don't want them to give me the new values on TIV and keep the games.

Edited by Artrigis, 26 September 2012 - 09:28 PM.


#2810 irishsoccermbw   User was banned for this post CAGiversary!   6166 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:28 PM

Just had another group 'accepted' AFTER the values dropped, so there's still hope for those of us who had locked stuff in.

#2811 MildObstruction   then let my “insanity” be the mother of my betrayal CAGiversary!   16579 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

before it gets asked too many times, if you locked it in that's the only value they can give you. either you'll get it, or they'll reject for whatever random reason so they don't have to pay out.

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#2812 Vigilante   CAG is the Key CAGiversary!   34952 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

Hoo boy...now is the time to start praying that our trades get accepted. :pray:

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#2813 Friend of Sonic   Toneman.org coming soon.. CAGiversary!   10041 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:54 PM

I am going to be a nervous as Fuck all week. I was really hoping these values would hold out another week just to get my huge load of games accepted.

But, the TIVs have been seesawing a lot-- even this morning. I watched MGS on PS1 go from 2.10 back to 30.00 in the span of about an hour. Maybe this isn't dead yet.
EDIT: now it's down to 1.05 lol.

Edited by Friend of Sonic, 26 September 2012 - 10:04 PM.


#2814 KryllFood   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   252 Posts   Joined 5.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:58 PM

just to add my .02....I've been having massive troubles with Amazon's trade-ins lately. Of my last 4 trades, 2 were stuck and never cashed out. One was in perpetual "processing" and the other showed expired but CS admitted it was "received" but not processed or verified.

I had to call CS to get "promotional credits" for both of those games applied to my account. They did it happily but it still sucks that it hasn't been as smooth as in the past where I mail in games and not worry about it being lost or messed with.

#2815 Neuropod   Such a lust for revenge! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO?! CAGiversary!   2342 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 09:59 PM

I am going to be a nervous as Fuck all week. I was really hoping these values would hold out another week just to get my huge load of games accepted.


Ha, me too, I've sent in $500 of stuff and I'll be obsessively refreshing that page for the next several days.

#2816 Toss   @TraderToss CAGiversary!   1536 Posts   Joined 7.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

just to add my .02....I've been having massive troubles with Amazon's trade-ins lately. Of my last 4 trades, 2 were stuck and never cashed out. One was in perpetual "processing" and the other showed expired but CS admitted it was "received" but not processed or verified.

I had to call CS to get "promotional credits" for both of those games applied to my account. They did it happily but it still sucks that it hasn't been as smooth as in the past where I mail in games and not worry about it being lost or messed with.


I hope this happens to me so i can get promo credits at least. :D

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#2817 io   ... Super Moderators   24124 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

Hmm - my only regret is not "refreshing" a few trades last night to reset the mailing time. Oh well, I can still get them out in time anyway.

Meanwhile, they are taking their time with the one package they have received so far. To those who have gotten paid, how long have your "processing" times been?

#2818 MildObstruction   then let my “insanity” be the mother of my betrayal CAGiversary!   16579 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:08 PM

Hmm - my only regret is not "refreshing" a few trades last night to reset the mailing time. Oh well, I can still get them out in time anyway.

Meanwhile, they are taking their time with the one package they have received so far. To those who have gotten paid, how long have your "processing" times been?


2-4 days, a little better than recent averages

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#2819 Friend of Sonic   Toneman.org coming soon.. CAGiversary!   10041 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:10 PM

Ha, me too, I've sent in $500 of stuff and I'll be obsessively refreshing that page for the next several days.

I plucked a lot of games out of my own collection, so it'd be hard to know what I spent exactly, but I estimate actual cash was around 300... but I stand to have roughly 1300-1500 in credit.

From the sounds of it, you may have an assload coming to you. It's been a good long while since I've been feverishly nervous about Amazon trades. I feel your pain, brother

#2820 sp00ge   Hey guys, I'm a turd! CAGiversary!   11454 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 September 2012 - 10:10 PM

Well how bad is my luck? I somehow missed this until last night, and I was actually gathering up and checking TIVs and when I refreshed my trade list, the total went from about $250 to about $20...


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