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I like how they have Coach the dragon slayer and Ozzie this season - that's two good contestants that will be interesting to watch.

I like the nerdy guy that almost got voted off... We'll see how he does this season.

Russel's nephew is another interesting twist. Odd to see that he's a christian type.
 
I hate Coach, and I hate the fact that they are bringing contestants back again. I love Survivor but the last like 3 or 4 seasons I've barely watched, and I've been watching Survivor since season 1... I might not watch this season.
 
I also don't like them bringing back old players. It kind of makes it less interesting, I just want to see 18 new people that know nothing about each other. When you bring back people, it makes the entire game about them and takes away from everyone else. That said, I'm such a Survivor whore that I'll watch it no doubt.
 
I think Russell's nephew is a little too paranoid about his tatoos and being Russell'd nephew... he could just lie and say that he's not related. Yet one girl already picked up on his vibe that he's hiding something. I like Coach for the craziness he brings to the show... he's just fun to laugh at. Decent looking female talent this season too.
 
After not having watched Survivor since season two, my wife convinced me to watch this first episode. Putting this in spoilers in case anybody reads the thread before watching the show (even though I think that's dumb, lol).
I told my wife if Ozzie convinced everyone to kick off the nerd, I was done. That was such a high school move. He did basically nothing to deserve it, and you could easily make a case for three different people that deserved to go rather than him.

1. black girl: when you speak up to do something, you become a leader. When you bitch out, you've failed your team. Not knowing what you can handle is a HUGE character flaw when you're playing a $1 million game. I always say, people who suck don't bother me. It's people who don't know that they suck that are the problem.

2. old lady: has a breakdown on day one. You don't need that kind of weakness on your tribe. She could decide it's "too much" at any moment and just leave on her own accord.

3. old man: for all the talk of nerdy guy being "slow" during the challenge, the old guy was the reason they were behind in the first place. He was so slow running through the course. Saying that nerdy guy "hesitated" was a joke.

In the end, Ozzie came off like a bully who was only thinking with his dick, and I'd kinda like to see him go next. He played it way too aggressively, and basically just seemed to want to test if he could manipulate everybody's vote to get rid of somebody for no reason. It felt like he was trying to create a "cool kids" table the way his little group was snickering and laughing at nerdy guy. Hopefully the rest of the "outsiders" are smart enough to see the shit he tried to pull and take him out for it.
 
[quote name='yankeessuck']I'm already sick of the nerdy guy. I would have rather they voted out him instead of Boobie McKnockers.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'll admit, he made himself look like an ass at tribal council by slinging mud instead of just talking about what makes him valuable (ie. law student who will probably kick ass at most of the puzzles and mental challenges). But if the only reason you watch the show is to see tits, then you're one of the reasons the show has sucked for several years. The slogan says "outwit", not "out-tit".
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, I'll admit, he made himself look like an ass at tribal council by slinging mud instead of just talking about what makes him valuable (ie. law student who will probably kick ass at most of the puzzles and mental challenges). But if the only reason you watch the show is to see tits, then you're one of the reasons the show has sucked for several years. The slogan says "outwit", not "out-tit".[/QUOTE]

Well theres nothing wrong with seeing boobs but my point wasnt about her at all. I dont care that she got voted out. The nerdy guy was annoying 5 minutes into the show with his survivor fan/expert crap. He also seems like the type that would swoon over all stars and hand them the money like last season.
 
People are still watching this tripe?:whistle2:# Then again, I shouldn't talk cuz I watch American Pickers, Pawn Stars n some of the other reality tv trash that's infecting American tv anymore.:roll:
 
[quote name='yankeessuck']He also seems like the type that would swoon over all stars and hand them the money like last season.[/QUOTE]

I doubt it. He'll think he's the mastermind. The nerdy guys always do, and then make it about halfway before they are sold out by all the people whose strings he tries to pull.
 
That chick was a butterface anyways, and her "poem" was stupid. I really want the older woman who broke down within 10 seconds of the show starting to be voted out next.
 
I wish they stop bringing back old players. Its like having your extended family keep playing year after year. I think it shows as the ratings are very bad this season compared to the past few.
 
I agree with everyone saying they need to stop bringing in old players. I think at first it was just to get some views because of Russells popularity among viewers, but now it's old

They also need to get rid of the hidden immunity idol, or go about placing it in the game some other way. I think it's stupid that anybody can just go out and search for it with no clues and end up finding it. Maybe dont place it somewhere until the first clue is given, and even then Probst should share the clue with the entire tribe.

Finally, I felt bad for the black girl last night. She pulled her weight in that challenge and shouldnt have been voted out. Especially with Dragon Slayer saying he liked her right before tribal. What a douchebag move
 
Yeah, the idols are a joke now. They need to have them like back on the first Exile Island season where you had 3-4 clues and that shit was buried in a desert. Not just stick that shit in a tree and have it found before anybody even gets a clue for it.

I got to thinking, they not only bring back players too much, but you've got a guy who is related to a past player. Wish the dumb bastards at CBS would at least do a true "Redemption" season and have all the firsts voted out compete again.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']I got to thinking, they not only bring back players too much, but you've got a guy who is related to a past player. Wish the dumb bastards at CBS would at least do a true "Redemption" season and have all the firsts voted out compete again.[/QUOTE]

Hey, that's a good idea. That would be really interesting and the people would still seem kinda new since they would have been on the show for only 1 episode.

Brandon needs to go big time, he's a psychopath. Every week he apologizes to the tribe saying he's going to be honorable and shit but then he gets mega paranoid and runs his mouth. That Mikayla chick is getting such a bad rap from him for no reason, he's mental.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Hey, that's a good idea. That would be really interesting and the people would still seem kinda new since they would have been on the show for only 1 episode.[/QUOTE]

It's a good idea in theory, but most of the people who got voted out first were 40+ years old.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']It's a good idea in theory, but most of the people who got voted out first were 40+ years old.[/QUOTE]

Good point, it would be a little slanted. Most voted out were older, with the rest being obnoxious young girls. But that would be an interesting season to me after like 4 straight with either Russell or someone related to Russell.

[quote name='tcrash247']
Brandon needs to go big time, he's a psychopath. Every week he apologizes to the tribe saying he's going to be honorable and shit but then he gets mega paranoid and runs his mouth. That Mikayla chick is getting such a bad rap from him for no reason, he's mental.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Mikayla has anything to worry about. From the start, they all thought he was nuts wanting to get rid of her. If anything, it made her more valuable to her tribe pre-merge. And after the merge, she'll probably do fine for a while just because the guys on both tribes are going to be going after eachother. I could see her winning it all if she made the right alliance.

I'm fairly pro-Coach for some odd reason (he's wierd, but I think he's genuine) but I do wish he'd set that honor code aside and just blindside Brandon. It would be better for his game if he did.
 
Coach has grown on me. I hated him his first season. On Heroes vs Villains, he was sort of just there, to me. This season, I really do like him.

Ozzy seems to be falling back into the cockiness that got him voted off Fans vs Favorites.
 
Agreed on Coach, I am liking him more this season. He seems more normal, which I guess is his plan, to not be a complete weirdo. Unless they're just not showing him being weird on tv.

I could care less about Ozzy and I never cared for him before either.
 
[quote name='tcrash247']Agreed on Coach, I am liking him more this season. He seems more normal, which I guess is his plan, to not be a complete weirdo. Unless they're just not showing him being weird on tv.

I could care less about Ozzy and I never cared for him before either.[/QUOTE]

Him being weird is what made him interesting. Now hes just boring.
 
I think what makes me like Coach is the first few times he got treated fairly shitty by everyone and all he wanted to do was play a clean game and find people to play it with him. He was semi-obnoxious but it's so very tolerable after that fucking batshit crazy FBI guy from last season. I still have nightmares about him.

If Coach would just play his own game without relying on people to play exactly like him, he could theoretically win. Just pick the *most* honest person you can find and roll with it. I think his deal is he can't find anybody that is willing to play 100% honest. Brandon started out that way but has been bouncing back and forth between being honest and being an outright liar.
 
Last nights episode was actually entertaining for me.

I loved how Ozzie blew up with his free agent speech then realized later he was alienating himself from his tribe.
The woman who has been on redemption since the beginning is so bitter she gave her old tribe the finger when they offered encouragement. She either needs to get back in the main game (which I would love to see how this turns out) or quit.
As far as tribal council went, I was pleased to see a split in the tribes. So much more entertaining than the editing to hide somebody being railroaded off by total tribe blindside. Once Edna goes next, I think Brandon has painted a target on himself enough times that he will be gotten rid of. Unless Coach (the Benjamin name thing is hilarious) gets his way with "but Brandon is loyal to me, your not because you voted for Edna when I wanted to vote off Mikayla."

For future seasons I would like to see redemption go away, there be a reward/tribal immunity challenge, then the losing tribe do an individual immunity challenge instead of having a hidden immunity idol in the game, and finally tribal council.
 
Ozzy made a gamebreaker play. If he can come back from Redemption and make it to the finals; hands down win. No backstabbing + bold move. All the stuff the people on the jury look for and eat up. So I see Ozzy being blindsided big time.
 
[quote name='bkjohns1']Ozzy made a gamebreaker play. If he can come back from Redemption and make it to the finals; hands down win. No backstabbing + bold move. All the stuff the people on the jury look for and eat up. So I see Ozzy being blindsided big time.[/QUOTE]

Why were they so freaked out about having one of them come back? They have to know the chick there hates the other tribe. I dont get that.
 
[quote name='yankeessuck']Why were they so freaked out about having one of them come back? They have to know the chick there hates the other tribe. I dont get that.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly. I don't know why they weren't thinking that. This was a stupid move, imo. I hope Ozzy loses, it will be one of the biggest blunders in Survivor history.
 
Jeff needs to stop calling people out in challenges. I think Cochrane's rope management mistake wouldn't have been as big a deal if Jeff didn't repeatedly comment on it.

As for the vote, yeah, that was pretty stupid. I like Cochrane, hope he makes it post-merge because that's the only end of the game where he'd deserve to win. But they could have kept Ozzie to keep the tribe strong AND gain Christina when she flips, then go into merge 7v5. But instead they let Ozzie be a diva again. Hope Christina wrecks his ass, then goes into the merge and people flip all over the place and screw up all the power players' plans. I can see Albert and Christina flipping, but also everybody else bailing on Ozzie and his hippie fucktard sidekick who is arguably more worthless to the tribe than Cochrane.

Was hoping Ozzie didn't change his mind and kept gunning for Cochrane while keeping his plan to go to RI all to himself. Then all Cochrane had to say was "You told me you wanted to get voted off." to shock the tribe, then call Ozzie out as a liar if he denied it. And maybe remind Ozzie that he isn't exactly Jungle Boy anymore. That he sucks in comps now and brings back a minnow acting like he caught the tribe a king salmon. Would have loved it that way, because Cochrane could have stood up for himself and punked Ozzie in front of everyone.

I think Jim's going to win this entire thing. That's who my money is on.
 
[quote name='yankeessuck']Why were they so freaked out about having one of them come back? They have to know the chick there hates the other tribe. I dont get that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I didn't get that either. Christine has made her contempt of her former tribe pretty obvious.
 
Same here. I don't understand Ozzie's "sacrifice" anyway. Most of the challenges on Redemption Island haven't been physical and none have been in the water where Ozzie would have a clear advantage. He could easily lose to Christine.

Also, did I miss something? Is it a definite that when the merge occurs whoever is on Redemption Island comes back into the game? These people lose their minds durng the game.
 
[quote name='Javery']Same here. I don't understand Ozzie's "sacrifice" anyway. Most of the challenges on Redemption Island haven't been physical and none have been in the water where Ozzie would have a clear advantage. He could easily lose to Christine.

Also, did I miss something? Is it a definite that when the merge occurs whoever is on Redemption Island comes back into the game? These people lose their minds durng the game.[/QUOTE]

The tribes are at 6 and 6; Ozzie is thinking that a merge is coming up next (no guarantee on this merge, I think it is just a hunch) and Christine will flip from Ozzie's tribe to the other tribe making the numbers 5 to 7. Therefore Ozzie (being the best player, in Ozzie's opinion) is sacrificing himself because he believes he can beat Christine and come back with the merge, thus keeping the tribes tied at 6 to 6.

Can Ozzie win at redemption? I don't know. Christine has been on a streak, and I can see her being determined to best Ozzie in a one-on-one match. Ozzie's move is either genius or crazy; an all or nothing move. This will go down as the most brilliant strategy or the all time dumbest move in Survivor.

We don't know if a merge is happening after this redemption challenge or if there are still more tribal and redemption challenges to do with Ozzie or Christine still stuck in redemption.
 
[quote name='bkjohns1']The tribes are at 6 and 6; Ozzie is thinking that a merge is coming up next (no guarantee on this merge, I think it is just a hunch) and Christine will flip from Ozzie's tribe to the other tribe making the numbers 5 to 7. Therefore Ozzie (being the best player, in Ozzie's opinion) is sacrificing himself because he believes he can beat Christine and come back with the merge, thus keeping the tribes tied at 6 to 6.[/QUOTE]

Christine is from Coach's tribe originally and she hates them now, which is why we're all scratching our heads.
 
No matter how it plays out, it's a dumb move. bkjohns, don't you have it backward? Christine was on Coach's tribe. If she's going to flip (probably), it would be to Ozzie's tribe anyway. Unless you're anticipating her flipping again (which would be a tough sell since she hates Coach and her only friend has already been sent home). So, most likely, Ozzie's tribe would have Christine as their 6th anyway, making Ozzie's move irrelevant.

Another possibility is Ozzie loses to Christine, Christine goes to the other tribe, and it's STILL 6-6, but they no longer have their "savior", Ozzie. Yet another possibility (and probably the funniest one) is that Ozzie beats Christine, but the merge doesn't happen yet. Then Ozzie has to sit on Redemption Island while his tribe competes without him, mostly likely loses, and Ozzie has to battle one of his own to stay alive...thus crushing their numbers even further.

No matter how you spin it, there are two really bad outcomes for Ozzie's tribe and one "Ok...I guess" outcome. Either way, his tribe was almost assured to get 6 people. Basically, the issue was choosing between Cochrane and Christine. I guess you can question if Ozzie's tribe could trust Christine, but they've seen her compete on Redemption Island five times now. They HAVE to know that she hates Coach. I just can't see that making this asinine move worth the risk. But hey, that's been Ozzie the entire season.
 
Christine has been on redemption so long I forgot which tribe she came from, but I should have remembered because she is so pissed at "Coach" Benjamin. I also couldn't remember why they were so worried about where Christine would ally herself. I guess Ozzie doesn't want to risk it and is putting himself there. Put 100% of your trust in yourself, not backstabbing teammates nor trying to flip somebody to your tribe.
 
[quote name='Javery']Wow what a dumb move for Cochrane.[/QUOTE]
Dumb for his overall survival in the game? Probably, but what else was he going to do? Either he's the first man out after all of Coach's tribe is voted out, or he's the first one gone after Ozzie's tribe gets bounced. Either way he's the low man on the totem pole and I'm glad he did it anyway. His tribe were nothing but a bunch of bullies. The words after Tribal and the walk back to camp proves as much. Keith was the worst and deserved what he got, even if Cochrane goes next. Hope Jim's gone next.
 
Would have been a great move, but it looks like Albert and that fugly chick are going to flip next week based on the preview. Then it would be 7v4. Seems like both tribes have two members that don't see it as one big happy family. That one lady impressed me at wanting to flip because it was the right thing to do, but then she punked out and backed down.

Keith was an arrogant piece of shit. Glad he got the boot. Hope it goes up Jim's ass next week. Him calling Cochrane a coward was stupid because he did the most uncowardly thing he could have: stood up for himself. Brandon telling Jim to shut up was classic. Also liked Coach already knowing exactly what the other tribe's plan was and laying it all out to Cochrane. Cochrane had that "Oh shit, Ozzie's plan isn't going to work." look on his face.
 
I love how Coach saw through everything and turned Cochrane. Ozzie was such a fool trusting the guy he has been threatening to vote out since the start. Cochrane flipped because of the jocks picking on the nerd. I was hoping Dawn would go along with Cochrane's scheming, but she punked out when she won immunity.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Would have been a great move, but it looks like Albert and that fugly chick are going to flip next week based on the preview. Then it would be 7v4. Seems like both tribes have two members that don't see it as one big happy family. That one lady impressed me at wanting to flip because it was the right thing to do, but then she punked out and backed down.

Keith was an arrogant piece of shit. Glad he got the boot. Hope it goes up Jim's ass next week. Him calling Cochrane a coward was stupid because he did the most uncowardly thing he could have: stood up for himself. Brandon telling Jim to shut up was classic. Also liked Coach already knowing exactly what the other tribe's plan was and laying it all out to Cochrane. Cochrane had that "Oh shit, Ozzie's plan isn't going to work." look on his face.[/QUOTE]

You cant trust the previews. They have to have drama. They cant just have 7 people saying they will vote out Ozzie for 60 minutes. I'm not buying it.

I'm sorry for saying I wanted him out after the first episode (it helps they dropped the nerdy survivor talk). It really was a fantastic ending. I just wish Cochrane was the one who came up with the plan. The whole episode makes up for last shit fest of a season.
 
[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Dumb for his overall survival in the game? Probably, but what else was he going to do? Either he's the first man out after all of Coach's tribe is voted out, or he's the first one gone after Ozzie's tribe gets bounced. Either way he's the low man on the totem pole and I'm glad he did it anyway. His tribe were nothing but a bunch of bullies. The words after Tribal and the walk back to camp proves as much. Keith was the worst and deserved what he got, even if Cochrane goes next. Hope Jim's gone next.[/QUOTE]

It was excellent for his overall survival of that particular week (almost 0% chance of going home) but I think if he stayed with his tribe and didn't draw the rock he would remain in the game longer. He and Dawn already had a bond and I think the two of them could have done some damage by flipping later on when it was absolutely necessary for survival.

Even if Jim or Keith drew the rock and Cochrane's tribe was down 1 (only a 2/7 chance of that happening) he would actually move to the top of the pecking order because they would want to get rid of Ozzie, Jim/Keith, etc. because they are the stronger players. Cochrane might have actually STILL been 7th in the pecking order! Then assuming it gets to that point he might be able to move up to 4th if there is a 3-3 split or dissension in Coach's tribe at that point.

I don't know - I like the move because it makes for better TV but I just don't think that you need to do something like that with 12 people still in the game. He is guaranteed to not get ANY of their votes (except maybe Dawn) at the end - and he needs some of them to win. If he stuck with them he would have a better chance overall, IMO.

Either way, I have never seen a bigger social outcast/nerd/whatever in my life. He doesn't appear to be that smart (Harvard law? Really? He is going to be an AWFUL litigator/negotiator), he has less than zero social skills and awareness of others AND he isn't likeable AT ALL (he is mean/insulting/condescending in the private interviews). There is almost nothing redeeming about this guy except he is fun to watch on TV.
 
Eh, last night's episode wasn't so great... seems like we are headed down a predictable path here of one tribe picking off the other... boring.
 
[quote name='Javery']Eh, last night's episode wasn't so great... seems like we are headed down a predictable path here of one tribe picking off the other... boring.[/QUOTE]

Not much of a strategist are you? What Coach's tribe is doing is EXACTLY the smartest thing they could be doing to preserve their sanity and keep morale high. Choosing to have all of them eat during the immunity challenge keeps the finger pointing and accusations from starting sooner than they need to. The WORST thing that could happen for any of them right now is to turn on each other. Yes, eventually they're going to have to break into smaller groups, but there's no need for it right now.

I was glad to see that neither Sophie or Albert bought into Jim's bullshit. The play that Dawn is making is smart, but way too late. If she would have flipped when Cochrane did, it would have been viewed as being far more genuine. As it stands now, these are acts of desperation. Ozzie's continuous temper tantrums and claims that he's "more of a threat" on Redemption Island are hilarious. I don't know that I've ever heard a dumber argument from a more arrogant person.

The smarter tribe is dominating at this point, as it should be. If you think about it, the difference in the game is the fact that Coach's tribe recognized that Cochrane was someone they could flip. Just from the little they had seen him (mostly during challenges), they knew he had been bullied, blamed, and generally treated like crap. Meanwhile, despite seeing her on Redemption Island 5 times, professing her hatred for Coach and giving him the middle finger, Ozzie's tribe STILL wasn't smart enough to know that they could count on Christine to join them after the merge.

As I've said before, by sending Ozzie to beat her, they were choosing Cochrane over Christine, counting on the fact that they could trust him (even though they've never included him in any decision making and have even told him to stop talking because his voice was annoying), and now it's biting them in the ass. It's funny that one of your earlier scenarios of Jim/Keith drawing the stone and Cochrane moving ahead of them in the pecking order is basically playing out but BECAUSE of the move he made. I couldn't be more pleased with how this season is going. If only the real world worked this way.
 
I love how Cochrane was a huge "coward" but blond girl still voted out Ozzy. How brave. I wish Cochrane had the self confidence to put them in their place especially after the "we saved you" BS.
 
[quote name='Javery']Eh, last night's episode wasn't so great... seems like we are headed down a predictable path here of one tribe picking off the other... boring.[/QUOTE]

At least they had two tribal councils in one episode to accelerate this.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Not much of a strategist are you? [/QUOTE]

Not sure what my comment has to do with strategy but I basically agree with most of your points... still doesn't change the fat that this season is going to be predictable until the one larger tribe has to start picking off each other. Was there any doubt at all that Ozzy and Jim were getting voted off this past week? I'm pretty sure Jim wished he never schemed to vote off Elyse - she wouldn't have flipped like Cochrane did.
 
[quote name='Javery']Not sure what my comment has to do with strategy but I basically agree with most of your points... still doesn't change the fat that this season is going to be predictable until the one larger tribe has to start picking off each other. Was there any doubt at all that Ozzy and Jim were getting voted off this past week? I'm pretty sure Jim wished he never schemed to vote off Elyse - she wouldn't have flipped like Cochrane did.[/QUOTE]

I just can't see being "bored" by things going as they should. But maybe I'm just not entertained by watching people act stupidly. To be honest, when Jim made his "move" to vote out Elyse, I thought that was going to be the game changer. I thought that was the point of recognition that Ozzie was too powerful and calling all the shots. Especially with the way Whitney and Keith played it, I really thought all hell was going to break loose right then. But after removing Elyse, they all went right back to being Ozzie's lap dogs again.

Another comparison I thought of is that Cochrane could have been the same to Ozzie's tribe as Edna is to Coach's. Edna has never officially been in the "group of 5", but they (mostly Coach) have always been nice to her and have gained her loyalty. But Ozzie and the bullies thought it would be funnier to pick on Cochrane and make him feel like crap. Their claim that they "saved him" is a joke because he was never anything more than a number to them. Who's laughing now?

Maybe that's it for me. My entertainment is coming from seeing Cochrane exact his revenge. It's not even like I want him to win because he has, without a doubt, been a weak player and has deserved some of the criticism thrown toward him. But the douchebags in his tribe never gave him a chance and deserve what they're getting..."predictable" or not. Watching it fall apart for them now has been hilarious.
 
I guess we disagree. I just watched the last episode and this season is boring as hell to me. As predicted one tribe completely picked off the other. The "twist" was basically "if the hot blond doesn't win immunity she's gone" and surprise! - she's gone. I watch this show for the scheming and paranoia and so far there's been practically nothing. It's about to get good because they are forced to start voting each other out but that doesn't change the fact that the first 2/3 of the season has been horrible.

Also, Cochrane is a douche with no redeeming qualities - maybe he shouldn't have been picked on (could have appeared that way due to editing) but I honestly don't want to see him go much further.
 
[quote name='Javery']I guess we disagree. I just watched the last episode and this season is boring as hell to me. As predicted one tribe completely picked off the other. The "twist" was basically "if the hot blond doesn't win immunity she's gone" and surprise! - she's gone. I watch this show for the scheming and paranoia and so far there's been practically nothing. It's about to get good because they are forced to start voting each other out but that doesn't change the fact that the first 2/3 of the season has been horrible.

Also, Cochrane is a douche with no redeeming qualities - maybe he shouldn't have been picked on (could have appeared that way due to editing) but I honestly don't want to see him go much further.[/QUOTE]

But they have rushed through that so thats not so bad.
 
Cochrane's time is over. I just hope they blindside him hard just to he doesn't flip again and have no excuse this time.
 
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