[quote name='Spokker']She said that birth control is $3,000 per year. Either she's very ignorant or a liar. If Rush Limbaugh lied then say so. I'm not stopping you. But one is testifying and one is not.[/quote]
Critic and liar are not the only options.
First off, saying someone is a liar assumes that they knowingly misspoke. If you have access to her sources of data, and that she had access to the information about birth control at target (wonderfully sourced via an unnamed employee saying so, but I digress), then please tell us how she is a liar.
A "critic" is someone who levies legitimate critiques. If I say that Rush Limbaugh is a poo-poo pants, I'm not a critic, I'm just a jerk. If I say that he is on wife #4 and still at child #0, so he's well aware of the costs of birth control - or that he's so wealthy the cost doesn't effect him enough to be bothered by it - therefore his accrued wealth making him so out of touch with the true cost of medical care in this country that he has no perspective with which to empathize or condemn average citizen concerns for care - that's a critique. That's what a critic would say. But to put "slut" on that same page? Silly. It shows that you claim to be reasoned and moderate, yet your debate tactics are of a "give no quarter, admit no wrongdoing, double down and refuse to consider otherwise" variety. Which is not the telltale sign of a reasoned, curious mind. It demonstrates severe incuriosity, in fact.
It doesn't actually matter what birth control is for, though. Look, when I've got problems I go to Walgreens and get the medication I need (though I try not to take too much medication) and that's it. I don't go advocate that someone else be forced to give it to me, especially something so inexpensive.
PPACA passed. We do not need to go down the path of debating it again. Your quote above is ideological and not rooted in reality. When does "something so inexpensive" cease being so inexpensive so as to expect that insurance ought to cover it? What is the dollar amount that covers that?
For me the economic issue is more interesting, but I'm not going to interfere with religious freedom over $9/month. I don't want to interfere in markets for $9/month. Just because someone is good doesn't make it okay to just mandate it. But I think it'll pass because of what Rush Limbaugh said. No one can touch her now. Most people, if they were opposed, will not speak out for fear of being compared with him.
Religious orgs balked at the idea of their insurance covering contraception. Obama said "fine, you don't have to cover it. Now all insurance plans have to cover and pay for contraception. Hope you're happy, religion." The roundabout solution was the very result of groups wanting to erode what medical coverage they could offer or deny.
That's the funny thing, and what led to the shifting goalposts, actually. Religious orgs didn't want to pay for it, and Obama said "okay, you don't have to pay for it, because it's going to be included at the insurance companies' expense now!" - and Obama took the blame, not the religious groups. Which of the two
ed it up for everyone? Which of the two?
I know what you'll say, but I will enjoy watching you squirm out of assigning any blame to the Catholic church for this. Now, if the church just said "we can't afford that birth control premium, because our kid-
ing fund has run dry," this might have just been economic all the way.
I don't know about goalposts though. This is the first time I've posted about the contraception issue anywhere. I think it's all kind of silly and a real distraction from the national debt, spending, wars and the erosion of civil liberties, but if you can't beat 'em...
Ooooh, a deficit hawk, are we? Pay more attention to Europe right about now. See what discussions and conclusions came out of Davos. Look at the annual and aggregate deficit and debt trends (and GDP, and productivity measures, and unemployment measures) for countries who have been preaching and practicing austerity for half a decade or longer. See if you're still into that "free market" thing afterwards, or if you're truly the moderate, rational, intellectual you claim to be, and facts actually pierce the bubble you're typing from.