[Confucius]

OP, while i agree with your rant, there are two things you have to understand:

1) people are assholes
2) you'll never be able to convince someone that using Priority Boxes is wrong if they don't think it's wrong in the first place. People will justify everything and anything if they are inclined to.

Seriously, you have people in this thread saying that if you turn it inside out, it's not illegal. That's the type of logic that people will use in order to justify things. "If I put a piece of tape over it, it no longer says Priority Mail so it's not for priority mail anymore! derp." or something like "UPS/USPS/Fedex/whatever makes tons of money, so what if I use one of their boxes?"

[Vinny]

OP, while i agree with your rant, there are two things you have to understand:

1) people are assholes
2) you'll never be able to convince someone that using Priority Boxes is wrong if they don't think it's wrong in the first place. People will justify everything and anything if they are inclined to.

Seriously, you have people in this thread saying that if you turn it inside out, it's not illegal. That's the type of logic that people will use in order to justify things. "If I put a piece of tape over it, it no longer says Priority Mail so it's not for priority mail anymore! derp." or something like "UPS/USPS/Fedex/whatever makes tons of money, so what if I use one of their boxes?"

So true... so believably true.

[GBAstar]

OP, while i agree with your rant, there are two things you have to understand:

1) people are assholes
2) you'll never be able to convince someone that using Priority Boxes is wrong if they don't think it's wrong in the first place. People will justify everything and anything if they are inclined to.

Seriously, you have people in this thread saying that if you turn it inside out, it's not illegal. That's the type of logic that people will use in order to justify things. "If I put a piece of tape over it, it no longer says Priority Mail so it's not for priority mail anymore! derp." or something like "UPS/USPS/Fedex/whatever makes tons of money, so what if I use one of their boxes?"

No different then the people who still think as long as they have one item that qualifies for Media Mail in their shipment then they are entitled to ship all the contents media mail

Or the poeple that think video games qualify for medial mail...

[Confucius]

Some people actually don't know. And that's fine. I found out recently that comic books don't qualify for media mail. I had no idea.

It's the people do know, yet try to get around it somehow that are the douches. Is it wrong of me to wish their packages get lost in the mail?

[Paco]

No different then the people who still think as long as they have one item that qualifies for Media Mail in their shipment then they are entitled to ship all the contents media mail

Or the poeple that think video games qualify for medial mail...

Video games DO qualify for media mail. However for them to qualify those video games have to be.

1. Compact Disc or Digital Versatile Disc form

2. Floppy Diskette Form

Video games that are on cartridges do not qualify for media mail rates. However, if they are in the form stated above, they do qualify for it. However, that line is rather tricky for most people since some people may classify cartridges as a form of media due to the rom itself being considered a form of media.

Also comic books DO qualify for media mail, however they can NOT be recent comics. Media mail has to have no advertising. Or to be more precise, no advertising still in circulation. You can send older magazines such as from the 70s and 80s since most of those advertisements are no longer in circulation. But more recent stuff is prohibited. Also the form of shipping for recent magazines and comics no longer existed. All that stuff used to be shipped by Bound Printed Matter. I used that service quite a bit when selling all my old magazines and a few comics.

[kodave]

Video games DO qualify for media mail. However for them to qualify those video games have to be.

1. Compact Disc or Digital Versatile Disc form

2. Floppy Diskette Form

Video games that are on cartridges do not qualify for media mail rates. However, if they are in the form stated above, they do qualify for it. However, that line is rather tricky for most people since some people may classify cartridges as a form of media due to the rom itself being considered a form of media.

Also comic books DO qualify for media mail, however they can NOT be recent comics. Media mail has to have no advertising. Or to be more precise, no advertising still in circulation. You can send older magazines such as from the 70s and 80s since most of those advertisements are no longer in circulation. But more recent stuff is prohibited. Also the form of shipping for recent magazines and comics no longer existed. All that stuff used to be shipped by Bound Printed Matter. I used that service quite a bit when selling all my old magazines and a few comics.

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm
Qualified Items

Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:
a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.
b. 16-millimeter or narrower width films, which must be positive prints in final form for viewing, and catalogs of such films of 24 pages or more (at least 22 of which are printed). Films and film catalogs sent to or from commercial theaters do not qualify for the Media Mail price.
c. Printed music, whether in bound or sheet form.
d. Printed objective test materials and their accessories used by or on behalf of educational institutions to test ability, aptitude, achievement, interests, and other mental and personal qualities with or without answers, test scores, or identifying information recorded thereon in writing or by mark.
e. Sound recordings, including incidental announcements of recordings and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such recordings. Video recordings and player piano rolls are classified as sound recordings.
f. Playscripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.
g. Printed educational reference charts designed to instruct or train individuals for improving or developing their capabilities. Each chart must be a single printed sheet of information designed for educational reference. The information on the chart, which may be printed on one or both sides of the sheet, must be conveyed primarily by graphs, diagrams, tables, or other nonnarrative matter. An educational reference chart is normally but not necessarily devoted to one subject. A chart on which the information is conveyed primarily by textual matter in a narrative form does not qualify as a printed educational reference chart for mailing at the Media Mail prices even if it includes graphs, diagrams, or tables. Examples of qualifying charts include maps produced primarily for educational reference, tables of mathematical or scientific equations, noun declensions or verb conjugations used in the study of languages, periodic table of elements, botanical or zoological tables, and other tables used in the study of science.
h. Loose-leaf pages and their binders consisting of medical information for distribution to doctors, hospitals, medical schools, and medical students.
i. Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such media.


As far as comic books go, it seems like the traditional advertising inside definitely does exclude them, even if its in-house ads. The rules put no sort of timeline on whether or not the advertisements are current or 50 years old. The only exception would be something like those pages that say: Find these past and upcoming great books written by [same author] published by [same company]. Usually you see these on the back page or cover of a book. They're pretty common in many if not most books.

As far as video games go, the only way they qualify is if you think they fit that definition of "Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information" but I'd wager that if this was being argued by lawyers, they'd say that's vague and that the "prerecorded information" is supposed to be the same type of information permissible in the preceding sections.

If you have a different official source that says what you think Media Mail rules say regarding old comic books and video games being okay, I'd love to see it.

[GBAstar]

This isn't worth debating. Video games do NOT qualify for Media Mail rates. Doesn't mean anything bad will happen to you if you ship them via Media Mail (except postage could be due to the recipient if the abuse is discovered) but you're not in the right to do so.

Unless you're shipping a large game (CE/SE/LE) it's cheaper and much faster to mail the item FC ( < 13 ounces) anways.

[Confucius]

yeah, "prerecorded information" is not a video game. Media mail is basically used to ship movies, music and books. You can pretend it's not and that video games qualify but they do not.

The argument about old advertisements not being an advertisement is interesting but in all likelihood, wrong. The USPS would not have a rule that would require a postal inspector to determine whether or not an advertisement is valid today. "Hey, there's an ad for marlboros in this comic book. Is that ok?" It's easier to say no advertisements of any kind.

This is what I mean. People will either make up shit or selectively choose to believe whatever they agree with, regardless of the source. I'm sure Paco didn't make up what he just wrote. But it was good for him because it was cheaper for him. So he just believed whoever did make up that nonsense.

[Indigo_Streetlight]

The bank situation is not the same. The bank is a for profit organization that makes money off that deposit you made by loaning it out. If they give out a few thousand pens, it probably doesn't matter because they're making 2x much on loan interests (and maybe they'll throw you a few pennies).

The USPS is not-for-profit. If they hand out pens (boxes) that customers never return (use for Priority), then that actually hurts their bottom line.

I'm saying they would turn a profit if the government didn't keep cooking the books to make it look like they're losing money, or whatever they do in order to keep the USPS appearing as a non-profit. I'd like to see what it costs them to deliver flat-rate mailers to individual addresses versus having the priority boxes available at central locations, whether those boxes are used properly or not.

[Confucius]

Your argument makes no sense here. Even if the USPS was making billions of dollars, the point is that the boxes aren't intended for regular mail, so they shouldn't be used for regular mail. People who follow the rules shouldn't subsidize those who don't.

It's the same thing as UPS boxes. UPS could be making a mint. And good for them. But that doesn't mean you should use their boxes for FedEx shipments.

See what I mean OP about people justifying whatever they want?

[Indigo_Streetlight]

http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/173.htm
Qualified Items

Only these items may be mailed at the Media Mail prices:
a. Books, including books issued to supplement other books, of at least eight printed pages, consisting wholly of reading matter or scholarly bibliography, or reading matter with incidental blank spaces for notations and containing no advertising matter other than incidental announcements of books. Advertising includes paid advertising and the publishers' own advertising in display, classified, or editorial style.
b. 16-millimeter or narrower width films, which must be positive prints in final form for viewing, and catalogs of such films of 24 pages or more (at least 22 of which are printed). Films and film catalogs sent to or from commercial theaters do not qualify for the Media Mail price.
c. Printed music, whether in bound or sheet form.
d. Printed objective test materials and their accessories used by or on behalf of educational institutions to test ability, aptitude, achievement, interests, and other mental and personal qualities with or without answers, test scores, or identifying information recorded thereon in writing or by mark.
e. Sound recordings, including incidental announcements of recordings and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such recordings. Video recordings and player piano rolls are classified as sound recordings.
f. Playscripts and manuscripts for books, periodicals, and music.
g. Printed educational reference charts designed to instruct or train individuals for improving or developing their capabilities. Each chart must be a single printed sheet of information designed for educational reference. The information on the chart, which may be printed on one or both sides of the sheet, must be conveyed primarily by graphs, diagrams, tables, or other nonnarrative matter. An educational reference chart is normally but not necessarily devoted to one subject. A chart on which the information is conveyed primarily by textual matter in a narrative form does not qualify as a printed educational reference chart for mailing at the Media Mail prices even if it includes graphs, diagrams, or tables. Examples of qualifying charts include maps produced primarily for educational reference, tables of mathematical or scientific equations, noun declensions or verb conjugations used in the study of languages, periodic table of elements, botanical or zoological tables, and other tables used in the study of science.
h. Loose-leaf pages and their binders consisting of medical information for distribution to doctors, hospitals, medical schools, and medical students.
i. Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information and guides or scripts prepared solely for use with such media.


As far as comic books go, it seems like the traditional advertising inside definitely does exclude them, even if its in-house ads. The rules put no sort of timeline on whether or not the advertisements are current or 50 years old. The only exception would be something like those pages that say: Find these past and upcoming great books written by [same author] published by [same company]. Usually you see these on the back page or cover of a book. They're pretty common in many if not most books.

As far as video games go, the only way they qualify is if you think they fit that definition of "Computer-readable media containing prerecorded information" but I'd wager that if this was being argued by lawyers, they'd say that's vague and that the "prerecorded information" is supposed to be the same type of information permissible in the preceding sections.

If you have a different official source that says what you think Media Mail rules say regarding old comic books and video games being okay, I'd love to see it.

I thought the whole idea of media mail was to subsidize educational pursuits; though it seems ambiguous enough that it's like "Hmm, what products are not profitable shipped in any other way that I should try running the gauntlet with." Then the regulation becomes more like what the USPS feels like fining and what they'll give a free pass to No rhyme or reason.

Personally, I've always wondered about RPG sourcebooks in board game-like boxes; it's kind of like a book, and it's kind of like a game. Old boxed PC games are weird too, due to the excess of book-like materials.

[Paco]

yeah, "prerecorded information" is not a video game. Media mail is basically used to ship movies, music and books. You can pretend it's not and that video games qualify but they do not.

The argument about old advertisements not being an advertisement is interesting but in all likelihood, wrong. The USPS would not have a rule that would require a postal inspector to determine whether or not an advertisement is valid today. "Hey, there's an ad for marlboros in this comic book. Is that ok?" It's easier to say no advertisements of any kind.

This is what I mean. People will either make up shit or selectively choose to believe whatever they agree with, regardless of the source. I'm sure Paco didn't make up what he just wrote. But it was good for him because it was cheaper for him. So he just believed whoever did make up that nonsense.

Actually this is what I was told by one of the postal employees. Games themselves in the form of cartridges are not allowed, but games on compact discs or cds and dvds are a lot more ambigious and they tend to get a free pass because of how grey it is. It can be a toss up depending on your postmaster. I send most small games under 13 ounces through first class mail since it's actually cheaper then media mail and a lot quicker. However, when I send lots of pc games, I send them through media. I've had boxes opened, shown them to the clerks and even the post master and they basically okayed it due to the fact that it was floppy diskettes and cds. CD and Floppies are clearly stated as Media. Now if I tossed a cartridge in there, then yes, I would be breaking it. However with Floppies and discs, it's highly debatable if you wish to truly get technical into it.

Then again, I know almost everyone at the post office on a first name basis. They've seen my packages saw what was in there, and they sent it.

I did get told that priority mail packages cannot bulge though. If they cannot close by themselves with the adhesive on the strip, then it isn't valid. But if it does hold, then you can reinforce it with tape.

[needler420]

Some people actually don't know. And that's fine. I found out recently that comic books don't qualify for media mail. I had no idea.

It's the people do know, yet try to get around it somehow that are the douches. Is it wrong of me to wish their packages get lost in the mail?

Hmm never heard of that my comics always get shipped in media mail. Also who ever said they can't be new they are. I know eastcoastcomics ships media mail and i think midtown comics might.

[Confucius]

@paco - You know why I am 99.999999% sure video games are not media mail? Cause you can't send it anymore via USPS media mail as trade ins to amazon. I'm sure the post office was like "no, not anymore, noram" because of the sheer volume they were doing.

I think your local post office might just be misinformed or not give a crap because it's a drop in the bucket.

[Paco]

@paco - You know why I am 99.999999% sure video games are not media mail? Cause you can't send it anymore via USPS media mail as trade ins to amazon. I'm sure the post office was like "no, not anymore, noram" because of the sheer volume they were doing.

I think your local post office might just be misinformed or not give a crap because it's a drop in the bucket.

I thought that media rule was on amazon because media mail only travels WHEN the truck is moving. Media mail gets the least priority of any shipping service. Media only ships when there's space to be quite blunt. Plus Media is the most likely to get lost, held up and so forth, does Amazon give you instant credit for your games like Estarland? I recall Estarland giving you instant credit for your trade ins, but they had to receive them within 10 days which removed media mail due to it taking up to a month.

And I was curious about that too. I asked them about it. They shown me their list of rules and regulations and I questioned them on it, and they said that it's fine. This wasn't just one post office, but several. Honestly, I guess it can be a tossup depending on which post office, but I've been shipping at this post office for many years, and they see what I ship and always tell me that it's fine to ship cd and floppy disk games since they fall under the guise of computer media since they do technically have data inscribed on them.

the comics thing, I admit I might be wrong on it. I do remember that all comics and magazines had to be shipped through bound printed matter, but since that form of shipping no longer exists, I may be outdated on what the rules for those are.

[b3b0p]

I hope the Postal Service rots in fucking hell. Dies.

They lost my mother fucking ZoE 2.

I will never forget that. Never.

[Confucius]

I thought that media rule was on amazon because media mail only travels WHEN the truck is moving. Media mail gets the least priority of any shipping service. Media only ships when there's space to be quite blunt. Plus Media is the most likely to get lost, held up and so forth, does Amazon give you instant credit for your games like Estarland? I recall Estarland giving you instant credit for your trade ins, but they had to receive them within 10 days which removed media mail due to it taking up to a month.

And I was curious about that too. I asked them about it. They shown me their list of rules and regulations and I questioned them on it, and they said that it's fine. This wasn't just one post office, but several. Honestly, I guess it can be a tossup depending on which post office, but I've been shipping at this post office for many years, and they see what I ship and always tell me that it's fine to ship cd and floppy disk games since they fall under the guise of computer media since they do technically have data inscribed on them.

the comics thing, I admit I might be wrong on it. I do remember that all comics and magazines had to be shipped through bound printed matter, but since that form of shipping no longer exists, I may be outdated on what the rules for those are.

what does Amazon care if it takes 10 days? You get 25 days to get it there. It wasn't a question of speed, it was legality.

You can still ship your books to them via USPS Media if you want to trade books in.

The thing is, the regulations are vaguely written so they are just interpreting it as they want. The USPS should just come out and put it explicitly whether video games are allowed or not on that page someone linked earlier.

I hope the Postal Service rots in fucking hell. Dies.

They lost my mother fucking ZoE 2.

I will never forget that. Never.

wow, you're very mature for your age.

[needler420]

what does Amazon care if it takes 10 days? You get 25 days to get it there. It wasn't a question of speed, it was legality.

You can still ship your books to them via USPS Media if you want to trade books in.




wow, you're very mature for your age.

Legality of it might is against USPS rules. I think the most that would happen is the package would get sent back to you and a waste of postage. I doubt its anything criminal like someone else was trying to say earlier.

I think someone is mistaking it for opening others peoples mail or something. Never heard reusing USPS marked boxes to be criminal.

A guy on my PSN friends list just sent me a movie i won in a contest in a usps box reason being he works for them i'm ask him about this.

[Indigo_Streetlight]

Your argument makes no sense here. Even if the USPS was making billions of dollars, the point is that the boxes aren't intended for regular mail, so they shouldn't be used for regular mail. People who follow the rules shouldn't subsidize those who don't.

It's the same thing as UPS boxes. UPS could be making a mint. And good for them. But that doesn't mean you should use their boxes for FedEx shipments.

See what I mean OP about people justifying whatever they want?

It's not about rule following or not rule following, the USPS is subsidizing these boxes across the board whether they get used or they get thrown into a landfill (Key Idea: They're going to get misused and wasted, no matter how much moral posturing there is to the contrary). It's like the dollar bill, it's federal property but they can't do a damn thing to stop you from setting it on fire or not using it. So they lose a little bit of money by you not behaving as Big Brother commands. BFD. Apparently the benefits outweigh the losses to the USPS because they make these things available.

Another thing, if people use concealed flat rate boxes to ship media mail, or cut up flat rate boxes to use as padding...well, isn't it the postal inspector's job to determine whether these packages are a problem for the USPS and whether fines should or should not be applied? I know for damn sure it isn't my job to enforce and interpret the weirdass rules the USPS has.

[Confucius]

http://www.thedenver...154/detail.html

It doesn't matter whether you think the rule is dumb or not. The rule is the rule.

You people can justify whatever you want or bring up the evil Big Brother. It doesn't make it right.

But like I said in my original post @vinny, people will justify whatever they want. And they're assholes. I should've just stopped there.

I'm done.

[Squall835]

USPS really is losing money, in fact, they really have no money.

http://www.federalti...304/1040/ADOP06

What this article leaves out is that the Postal Service is required to fund their retirement fund for 75 years in the future, which leads to them having to pay about $5 billion into it per year. That's why the Postal Service is in such bad shape. If they didn't have to do that, they'd actually be turning a profit.

[needler420]

What this article leaves out is that the Postal Service is required to fund their retirement fund for 75 years in the future, which leads to them having to pay about $5 billion into it per year. That's why the Postal Service is in such bad shape. If they didn't have to do that, they'd actually be turning a profit.

I was just about to say all that article says is the people in charge of USPS don't know how to run a business. If they want more money raise standard rates. They are greedy and want you to re purchase boxes. That's all it is. Kind of funny how usps says they are for recycling.

If anything practices like that are going to make people frown them. Very stupid thing to do with the boxes.

Same thing with the medial mail. Whether or not games qualify for media mail shouldn't even matter because USPS is a bunch of idiots making up their own rules. How is video games not media? Because they don't make money on it= not media?

Id say them take me to the supreme court and lets argue that's games aren't media. Being as that article is from 2008 from such an uncredible resource its a matter of time before someone challanges what i just said.

Edited by needler420, 31 March 2012 - 05:42 AM.

[Indigo_Streetlight]

I thought that media rule was on amazon because media mail only travels WHEN the truck is moving. Media mail gets the least priority of any shipping service. Media only ships when there's space to be quite blunt. Plus Media is the most likely to get lost, held up and so forth, does Amazon give you instant credit for your games like Estarland? I recall Estarland giving you instant credit for your trade ins, but they had to receive them within 10 days which removed media mail due to it taking up to a month.

And I was curious about that too. I asked them about it. They shown me their list of rules and regulations and I questioned them on it, and they said that it's fine. This wasn't just one post office, but several. Honestly, I guess it can be a tossup depending on which post office, but I've been shipping at this post office for many years, and they see what I ship and always tell me that it's fine to ship cd and floppy disk games since they fall under the guise of computer media since they do technically have data inscribed on them.

the comics thing, I admit I might be wrong on it. I do remember that all comics and magazines had to be shipped through bound printed matter, but since that form of shipping no longer exists, I may be outdated on what the rules for those are.

This is what I mean; when the enforcers don't even care it shows you how much [behavior against regulation x] hurts the USPS.

[GBAstar]

I was just about to say all that article says is the people in charge of USPS don't know how to run a business. If they want more money raise standard rates. They are greedy and want you to re purchase boxes. That's all it is. Kind of funny how usps says they are for recycling.

If anything practices like that are going to make people frown them. Very stupid thing to do with the boxes.

How is that being greedy?

They are giving you FREE boxes that you can use and reuse a MILLION times as long as you use them for what they were designed for (i.e. Priority boxes are only for PRIORITY postage and EXPRESS boxes are only for EXPRESS Postage).

If you want to ship via another class (First, Parcel Postage or Media) then use your own damn box or buy one (tax free) from the post office.


Again I'm not seeing how that is being wasteful or greedy

[Indigo_Streetlight]

http://www.thedenver...154/detail.html

It doesn't matter whether you think the rule is dumb or not. The rule is the rule.

You people can justify whatever you want or bring up the evil Big Brother. It doesn't make it right.

But like I said in my original post @vinny, people will justify whatever they want. And they're assholes. I should've just stopped there.

I'm done.

Yeah, you be done. In my world regs that don't get enforced don't have any ethical legs to stand on.

[needler420]

How is that being greedy?

They are giving you FREE boxes that you can use and reuse a MILLION times as long as you use them for what they were designed for (i.e. Priority boxes are only for PRIORITY postage and EXPRESS boxes are only for EXPRESS Postage).

If you want to ship via another class (First, Parcel Postage or Media) then use your own damn box or buy one (tax free) from the post office.


Again I'm not seeing how that is being wasteful or greedy

Why don't you see that as wasteful or greedy? Yet you can't give any substance as to why you have to use those specific boxes with the specific postage. Surely there is a reason besides them just wanting certain marked boxes in one transit.

[GBAstar]

Why don't you see that as wasteful or greedy? Yet you can't give any substance as to why you have to use those specific boxes with the specific postage. Surely there is a reason besides them just wanting certain marked boxes in one transit.

You answered my question by asking a question?


It's not greedy; they could decide to not give out boxes period... or charge for them. They are giving incentives to the consumer who wants to ship items by Priority or Express Mail. I don't understand why you are making it more complicated then it is.

Just because you think something should be free (i.e. A Box) doesn't mean it is. Everything has a price regardless if you agree with it.

If I had a giant hole in my backyard and I was planning on filling it in I couldn't just go to a gravel pit and fill my truck up with dirt even if I thought it was free because that dirt believe it or not belongs to that landowner.... just like these boxes are the property of the federal government.

[Confucius]

You answered my question by asking a question?


It's not greedy; they could decide to not give out boxes period... or charge for them. They are giving incentives to the consumer who wants to ship items by Priority or Express Mail. I don't understand why you are making it more complicated then it is.

Just because you think something should be free (i.e. A Box) doesn't mean it is. Everything has a price regardless if you agree with it.

If I had a giant hole in my backyard and I was planning on filling it in I couldn't just go to a gravel pit and fill my truck up with dirt even if I thought it was free because that dirt believe it or not belongs to that landowner.... just like these boxes are the property of the federal government.

you realize you're better off not arguing with him, right? If you argue with tree stumps, you end up dumber for it.

[needler420]

You answered my question by asking a question?


It's not greedy; they could decide to not give out boxes period... or charge for them. They are giving incentives to the consumer who wants to ship items by Priority or Express Mail. I don't understand why you are making it more complicated then it is.

Just because you think something should be free (i.e. A Box) doesn't mean it is. Everything has a price regardless if you agree with it.

If I had a giant hole in my backyard and I was planning on filling it in I couldn't just go to a gravel pit and fill my truck up with dirt even if I thought it was free because that dirt believe it or not belongs to that landowner.... just like these boxes are the property of the federal government.

I didn't say it should be free that's just putting words in my mouth. I said they should allow boxes to be reused. That's my whole point if anything they should charge for the free boxes and let them be reused as much as you want in any class of shipping. Not say the boxes are free but you can't reuse them and then say we support recyling on top of it.

[GBAstar]

Yeah, you be done. In my world regs that don't get enforced don't have any ethical legs to stand on.

They do get enforced. Try taking a Priority Mail box and telling the postal employee you only want to pay for first class postage.

Or bring a box up with media mail postage and tell the postal employee that you have a bunch of dildos in the box.

I can promise you they will not accept the packages.

The reason these "regs" aren't enforced like you claim is because douchebags are deceiving the post office in an attempt to save money but in actuality are STEALING money from the federal government. In the grandscheme of things it is not different then cheating on your taxes and not getting caught. There aren't enough IRS employees to audit every return just like there aren't enough postal employees to open every MM package to make sure it contains only qualifying contents or to tear way the brown kraft paper on each box to make sure it's not a priority box underneath.