[Soodmeg]

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[soulvengeance]

Kind of interested to see how this turns out.

[DurbanBrown]

i can support this

[dmaul1114]

Hate it and it's something that would make me want to switch universities if my school adopted that policy.

Already enough heated altercations faculty have with students pissed off about grades etc. Putting guns legally in the mix can't lead to anything good.

[dohdough]

Kind of interested to see how this turns out.

I'm guessing badly.

Hate it and it's something that would make me want to switch universities if my school adopted that policy.

Already enough heated altercations faculty have with students pissed off about grades etc. Putting guns legally in the mix can't lead to anything good.

In a libertarian society, you'd have a gun too so that no one could coerce you into giving them a better grade! FREEDUM!!

[Soodmeg]

Here is my thing.....the scenario that always gets presented in terms of weapons and our right to carry....how often as that ever happened in history.

What I am referring to is this, you carry a weapon so that if a mass murder jumps up and starts killing people you can prevent it...OR....if someone is attacking you with a gun you can then prevent that.


I dont remember a single time in which a guy carrying a gun prevented a mass murder of any kind via either shooting them before they started killing or killing them preventing even more deaths. Can someone present some actually facts about how often a person carrying a weapon actually prevented certain crimes......you would think something like that would be jammed by our throat by the media if it happened.

[soulvengeance]

Here is my thing.....the scenario that always gets presented in terms of weapons and our right to carry....how often as that ever happened in history.

What I am referring to is this, you carry a weapon so that if a mass murder jumps up and starts killing people you can prevent it...OR....if someone is attacking you with a gun you can then prevent that.


I dont remember a single time in which a guy carrying a gun prevented a mass murder of any kind via either shooting them before they started killing or killing them preventing even more deaths. Can someone present some actually facts about how often a person carrying a weapon actually prevented certain crimes......you would think something like that would be jammed by our throat by the media if it happened.

I think there are a few stories here and there out there, but nothing significant. I think if you're going to allow people to carry, it needs to be open carry. If you're tough enough to carry a gun, make sure everyone knows it.

[Clak]

I'll never forget back when the VA Tech shooting happened, the gun nuts couldn't stop talking about how it would have helped if people on campus were carrying. So instead of one guy shooting, you would have had multiple people. This isn't a good thing, nothing may come of it on that campus, but it still isn't good.

[dohdough]

Colorado doesn't exactly have a benign history when it comes to guns, especially when it comes to high profile mass shootings. I find it highly dubious and ludicrous that the answer to their gun problem is to have more guns around.

[Clak]

It's ludicrous anywhere, but that doesn't stop anyone obviously.

[Access_Denied]

I dont remember a single time in which a guy carrying a gun prevented a mass murder of any kind via either shooting them before they started killing or killing them preventing even more deaths. Can someone present some actually facts about how often a person carrying a weapon actually prevented certain crimes......you would think something like that would be jammed by our throat by the media if it happened.

Wouldn't it make sense that you don't hear about them though? I mean, you never hear about the massacre that ALMOST happened, you only hear about the ones that do happen. I'm sure there are violent crimes that are stopped all of the time due to concealed carry. In fact, I just saw a Youtube video of one the other day:

[dohdough]

Wouldn't it make sense that you don't hear about them though? I mean, you never hear about the massacre that ALMOST happened, you only hear about the ones that do happen. I'm sure there are violent crimes that are stopped all of the time due to concealed carry. In fact, I just saw a Youtube video of one the other day:

Holy that's old and we already had a thread on it. And the only thing that made this anything close to a massacre was that old guy firing his gun. Robbery!=Massacre

If CCW's stopped as much crime as you seem to think it does, especially in the same manner as the video, it'd be on the [Fox] news 24 fucking 7.

[usickenme]

no offense but I think you missed the point. It is whether student can have gun in Family housing units.

Additionally CU fought long and hard to keep the gun ban active on campus but it was the CO Supreme court who overruled the decision. A few students sued (no doubt funded by the NRA). So currently student as an Colorado University or College can bring guns on campus.

CU is trying to keep the ban in place for certain events and areas (underclass dorms, football games, concerts and the like)

[Spokker]

I knew a guy who went two years carrying on campus. He started carrying because he took night classes and was jumped walking home. He owned guns but didn't bring them to school, and after that incident he said up and carried.

Anyway, it's not like public high schools where you go through a metal detector or have random bag searches or something. I think he would have been expelled from college had he been caught, but he graduated and that was that.

[Clak]

no offense but I think you missed the point. It is whether student can have gun in Family housing units.

Additionally CU fought long and hard to keep the gun ban active on campus but it was the CO Supreme court who overruled the decision. A few students sued (no doubt funded by the NRA). So currently student as an Colorado University or College can bring guns on campus.

CU is trying to keep the ban in place for certain events and areas (underclass dorms, football games, concerts and the like)

It plainly said they can bring them to class and the professors can't do anything about it.

[Confucius]

Waiting for inevitable "Shooting at CU - Boulder" story.

Is this because CU is a state school?

[irideabike]

Makes sense to me, I don't remember the last time I heard about the guy with the concealed carry permit shooting up a place.

[Clak]

Your unclebob is showing, perd.

[irideabike]

Your paranoia is showing.

[Access_Denied]

Holy that's old and we already had a thread on it. And the only thing that made this anything close to a massacre was that old guy firing his gun. Robbery!=Massacre

If CCW's stopped as much crime as you seem to think it does, especially in the same manner as the video, it'd be on the [Fox] news 24 fucking 7.

How am I supposed to know we already had a thread on it? I don't spend my life here.

And even if it doesn't stop that much crime, who cares? One crime stopped is enough for me. It's not like we ever see MORE crime due to concealed carry. Because, believe it or not, criminals generally don't care about concealed carry laws. As perdition(troy said, when is the last time that you heard of the law abiding citizen performing a massacre? The guys who are going to murder a bunch of people generally don't waste their time trying to get a concealed carry permit for the weapon they're going to use.

And to say that some people who carry are bad shots, well you are dead on. Some of them are, and there's nothing we can do about that. We can't ban concealed carry because some people are bad shots. Some people are also bad drivers. Bad drivers cause accidents that kill people all the time. We're not planning on banning driving...

[Clak]

Try thinking of all the possibilities that multiple armed people on a college campus could lead to, and I'm not talking about those people doing anything illegal either, so stop with the crap about criminals not caring about laws, no shit.

[GBAstar]

Try thinking of all the possibilities that multiple armed people on a college campus could lead to, and I'm not talking about those people doing anything illegal either, so stop with the crap about criminals not caring about laws, no shit.

Ummm... so you're saying that their were no guns on college campuses (persons, cars, dorms) prior to this? Did you guys all go to small private liberal arts colleges?

Your experiences are quite different from mine.

[Confucius]

Ummm... so you're saying that their were no guns on college campuses (persons, cars, dorms) prior to this? Did you guys all go to small private liberal arts colleges?

Your experiences are quite different from mine.

and proud of it!

[berzirk]

I've got no problem with it at all. And at least in the State of Oregon, concealed handgun licenses do not allow you to carry on campus, but it's policy not law, much like places of business that post no firearms signs. If they find out you have a concealed handgun (and come on...if it's concealed nobody should be finding out, shy of "wardrobe malfunction" or some dipshit waving it around and showing it to his frat buddies) they can ask you to leave campus or the establishment. Then if you don't, it's trespassing, but legally you can't be charged with anything for carrying in those places. Federal property is an entirely different story. Post offices are always off limits, by law.

[Spokker]

Waiting for inevitable "Shooting at CU - Boulder" story.

There could be a shooting whether people are allowed to conceal carry or not.

[mykevermin]

There could be a shooting whether people are allowed to conceal carry or not.

This is true.

It is also true that shootings (of all kinds) are more likely where firearms are allowed, and less likely where they are not allowed.

I recall reading a study of accidental fatalities from shootings in North Carolina (I think) a few years back, and police stations, homes and automobiles were the most probable places where you would be accidentally shot.

More guns, less crime sounds nice, but it's very inaccurate.

[Ced]

I don't know what sounds worse: running from a gunman in a crowded classroom, or running from a gunman in a crowded classroom with crossfire moments later.