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MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II


#1591 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2016 - 06:34 PM

Also - surprised Mir got popped for steroids. He would be one of the least likely in my opinion, and his last few performances looked anything but "enhanced". Maybe it was honestly unintentional. I was surprised it turned out to actually be a tainted supplement for Yoel Romero. So many fighters cry that, and this time it actually way. He is still responsible for what he puts in his body, but because it was a tainted supp his suspension was dropped to only 6 months (which is pretty much nothing).


Yeah, I read that Mir is trying to say it was kangaroo meat. (WTF?) My guess is it either was unintentional, or he used to recover from an injury so he wouldn't have to pull out of the fight and miss a payday.

That seems to be the only thing he's fighting for anymore. And at his age, I could see it happening.

#1592 moojuice   False? CAGiversary!   4393 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 April 2016 - 12:09 AM

Yeah, I read that Mir is trying to say it was kangaroo meat. (WTF?)

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Just sayin'.....



#1593 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 12 April 2016 - 01:20 AM

That jacked kangaroo has always frightened me. That thing just looks horrifying.



#1594 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 06:41 AM

So, Joanna Jedrzejczyk punched a fan. Plot twist...he asked her to.

 

http://www.wsof.com/...es-willing-fan/
 

Also...Fuck that kangaroo!!! I'd shoot that thing with a shotgun like 100 times. Freaking nightmare fuel bullshit, lol. :lol:



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Posted 18 April 2016 - 02:37 AM

http://espn.go.com/m...-london-july-16

 

Even when Bellator signs good fighters they go with crap like this.



#1596 Matt Young   Follow the buzzards CAGiversary!   15183 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 03:30 AM

Watching the Fight Night event, I couldn't stop thinking that Rose Namajunas looked a lot like Carl Gallagher from Shameless.

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#1597 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 18 April 2016 - 03:07 PM

Very sad to see Machida on a banned substance. I hope he doesn't run out his career on a suspension since he is one of thew few older guys I think could challenge for the belt again.

 

If he pisses hot and then drinks it again. Is it super effective, or is it like piss Inception?

 

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#1598 blueweltall   Kill the Batman CAGiversary!   6291 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 05:05 PM

I forgot about that! So avoid drinking piss and eating horse meat or kangaroo meat.

#1599 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 April 2016 - 09:03 PM

I forgot about that! So avoid drinking piss and eating horse meat or kangaroo meat.


This is good advice both for competitive fighting and for life.

#1600 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 18 April 2016 - 11:54 PM

In all seriousness though, horse tastes good. I'm sure if I get enough of it I too, will become the Ubereem.



#1601 Matt Young   Follow the buzzards CAGiversary!   15183 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 07:29 PM

https://www.twitter....f_src=twsrc^tfw

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#1602 blueweltall   Kill the Batman CAGiversary!   6291 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 April 2016 - 10:06 PM



#1603 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 12:25 AM

Wow...that makes no sense. I realize Conor has gone through some stuff lately...but I didn't think anything could get in the way of the biggest payday of his career. Seriously, he probably could retire and be set for life after this fight. He'd never even have to defend the Featherweight belt.

 

I can't believe Dana would willingly pull him from the card either. Even if there were scheduling conflicts, with that much money on the line, it's incredible that it couldn't be worked out. Something just feels super off about this. Is it still April Fool's Day?

 

EDIT - Reading more of the story...I've got two theories: Either A) Joao Carvalho dying really messed with McGregor mentally and emotionally, and his mind is not right at all right now.

 

Or B) He caught wind of an impending drug test that he knew he wouldn't pass. There's no way this is about promotional tours and commercials. That's just too much money to leave on the table. And people are saying he's "scared", but that's stupid because I'd let Nate Diaz beat my ass for that kind of money. If losing bothered him that much, he would have handled the first loss much worse than he did. This just feels like crazy Yakuza type of shit, lol.



#1604 Matt Young   Follow the buzzards CAGiversary!   15183 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 01:07 AM

It's the Illuminati. They're the ones who wouldn't let me post the image of Conor's tweet.

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#1605 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 01:11 AM

It's the Illuminati. They're the ones who wouldn't let me post the image of Conor's tweet.

Haha, try removing everything at the end starting with the "?ref_src"

 

Granted, that will probably break blue's Diaz tweet since CAG has issues with putting more than one tweet on a page.



#1606 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 April 2016 - 01:16 AM

The other rumor going around is that he wanted a 10 million dollar guaranteed purse plus PPV points, sponsors, etc. Probably was looking for a 15 - 20 million dollar payday and the UFC said no.

 

That is what makes sense to me because his coach is posting snarky messages.

 

Twitter he wrote something like "good while it lasted", posting Eminem's without me, and this on facebook.

 

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#1607 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 April 2016 - 01:22 AM

Who can save UFC 200 now. Will they pull other main events. Make Werdum move to it or even the Jon Jones fight from this weekend.

 

UFC has supposedly been talking to GSP but the Reebok deal is a sticking point.

 

Maybe they will get GSP vs Robbie Lawler and Fedor vs Werdum. I'd tune in for that..

 

All the biggest stars are booked, fallen or retired.

 

Jon Jones - scheduled

GSP - retired

Anderson Silva  - lost 2, no contest, lost to Bisping

Brock - retired

BJ Penn - supposedly coming out of retirement but definitely a shell of the glory days

Ronda - fallen and still out

Connor - "retired"

 

Plus all the earlier stars from before like Hughes, Tito, Chuck, Randy, etc.

 

Looks like throwing alot of money at GSP might be the answer. He went out on top so they can play up the champ coming back for his belt that he never lost.

 

That and throw it at Fedor. He says he wants to fight Werdum (if he actually wants to). Granted he doesn't deserve a title shot (but that never stops Dana) and he has the list of accomplishments to try and call for one right away. Play it up as the potential greatest of all time.



#1608 blueweltall   Kill the Batman CAGiversary!   6291 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 01:44 AM

It's the Illuminati. They're the ones who wouldn't let me post the image of Conor's tweet.

Just don't hyperlink the link and you should get the image of the tweet.



#1609 sainrub   CAGisdabomb! CAGiversary!   1420 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

Posted 20 April 2016 - 05:37 PM

Who can save UFC 200 now.




#1610 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 05:45 PM

This McGregor thing is so weird. It generally does just appear to be a contract dispute. But Conor has talked about being sick of the promotional stuff in the past...just as Ronda Rousey has. And I totally get that part. Dana just rides a couple stars and counts on them to teach the entire world about the UFC.

 

I guess you could argue that that's what they get paid for. But it's probably one of those things where it sounds great and the money is great...until you have to do it. And then what stops the UFC from wanting more and more promotion and bigger and bigger numbers?

 

The craziest part about this is it at least appears that Conor is doing it for the right reasons. He's doing the opposite of Ronda Rousey. He actually pulled out of the new xXx movie because he recognized that he needs to take Diaz and these bigger fighters more seriously and focus on his training more.

 

I guess the irony is Conor didn't build his fame by being a gym rat. He built it by being a mouth. And now that he actually wants to do it the right way, he's catching hell for it. Kind of sucks, but I wish they could find a middle ground. Because ultimately, McGregor putting more focus into not losing fights is good for the UFC.



#1611 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 April 2016 - 07:06 PM

They way Connor talks - I'm going to guess it is all about the money. From talking about his Rolexes, cars, thousand dollar shirts, pocket watches, etc. Get as much money as you can I guess, but I'm sure he is already one of the (if not the) highest paid UFC fighter. He is the first guy ever to just get a million dollars for walking in the door. Add that to his PPV cut and he is making huge money (by normal person standards - not Mayweather, NFL, etc. star money)

 

1 million purse

4.5 million to 7.5 million got PPV cut (1.5 million PPV buys, no official numbers but people estimate $3 to $5 per buy for someone like McGregor) 

 

So McGregor was somewhere between 5.5 to 8.5 million for the last fight + any bonuses, sponsors, etc.

 

Maybe it is just about the appearances (which I doubt no matter what  they say), then he still should be able to show up for some conferences. If he is getting about 10 million dollars he should be able to make it work somehow.

 

Either way it is a very crazy few days for the UFC. I think in a rematch Diaz has a very good chance of doing what he did last time again (I also think Frankie would beat him).



#1612 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 April 2016 - 07:33 PM

Either way it is a very crazy few days for the UFC. I think in a rematch Diaz has a very good chance of doing what he did last time again (I also think Frankie would beat him).

But isn't that the point? That's the reason Conor SHOULD be training his ass off and cutting out extraneous bullshit (ie. the opposite of what Ronda did). I'm not saying for certain that's the reason. But he's claiming it's about interfering with his training...and it's not a totally incredulous argument.

 

Like I said, I don't think Conor is afraid of losing, but that doesn't mean he wants to. There is something to be said for pride and being made to look like a fool. Everybody in the world has been saying "IF McGregor loses to Diaz again...IT'S OVER!" Isn't it reasonable for Conor to recognize that himself, let alone hear it every time he does an interview.

 

Money is all well and good...but ego factors into it too. And his ego might actually rank winning above getting paid this time. I realize this is Conor McGregor we're talking about. But it's not entirely crazy, haha.



#1613 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 21 April 2016 - 12:23 PM

But isn't that the point? That's the reason Conor SHOULD be training his ass off and cutting out extraneous bullshit (ie. the opposite of what Ronda did). I'm not saying for certain that's the reason. But he's claiming it's about interfering with his training...and it's not a totally incredulous argument.

But the job also consists of promotions. Connor talked his way into the big money fights and his current spot in the UFC. He can cut out crappy action movie sequels and super shitty fremium cellphone games, but he has to show up do the big conferences for the event.

 

Every other star has done it except Nick Diaz who was also rightfully pulled from the card. Every star has done it without complaining as far as I know, and none of them are making Connor McGregor money. If Connor just wants to be a plain fighter without having to promote he could be some mid-tier fighter making 25K a fight. He got gifted the super fast track to the belt and then is allowed to pretty much do what he wants.

 

Connor demands to fight up a weight class and fight RDA - he gets to do it. RDA gets injured he gets to pick a replacement. All the while the belt he just won is already getting a interim title fight. Why the hell is there going to be an interim title when the champion is physically fine and can fight fringe top 10 opponents in another weight class?

 

All the Connor perks and big money come from promotion and his mouth so he's got to play his part.



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Posted 21 April 2016 - 03:43 PM

Sounds like Conor is back already, trying to get back on UFC 200. His statement makes it sound like Dana wasn't spinning things at all. That the UFC yanked Conor from 200 for not showing up for promotional stuff and then Conor overreacted and flipped out on Twitter.


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#1615 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 04:02 PM

Mcgregor posted this on his Facebook page earlier today:

 

I am just trying to do my job and fight here.
I am paid to fight. I am not yet paid to promote.
I have become lost in the game of promotion and forgot about the art of fighting.
There comes a time when you need to stop handing out flyers and get back to the damn shop.
50 world tours, 200 press conferences, 1 million interviews, 2 million photo shoots, and at the end of it all I'm left looking down the barrel of a lens, staring defeat in the face, thinking of nothing but my incorrect fight preparation. And the many distractions that led to this.
Nothing else was going through my mind.
It is time to go back and live the life that got me this life.
Sitting in a car on the way to some dump in Conneticut or somewhere, to speak to Tim and Suzie on the nobody gives a Fuck morning show did not get me this life.
Talking to some lady that deep down doesn't give a Fuck about what I'm doing, but just wants some sound bites so she can maybe get her little tight ass a nice raise, and I'm cool with that too, I've been giving you all raises. But I need to focus on me now.
I'm coming for my revenge here.
I flew an entire team to Portugal and to Iceland to make my adjustments in preparation and fix my errors I made with the weight and the cardio prep.
With the right adjustments and the right focus, I will finish what I started in that last fight.
I will not do this if I am back on the road handing out flyers again.
I will always play the game and play it better than anybody, but just for this one, where I am coming off a loss, I asked for some leeway where I can just train and focus. I did not shut down all media requests. I simply wanted a slight adjustment.
But it was denied.
There had been 10 million dollars allocated for the promotion of this event is what they told me.
So as a gesture of good will, I went and not only saved that 10 million dollars in promotion money, I then went and tripled it for them.
And all with one tweet.
Keep that 10 mill to promote the other bums that need it. My shows are good.
I must isolate myself now.
I am facing a taller, longer and heavier man. I need to prepare correctly this time.
I can not dance for you this time.
It is time for the other monkeys to dance. I've danced us all the way here.
Nate's little mush head looks good up on that stage these days. Stuff him in front of the camera for it.
He came in with no shit to do that last one. I'd already done press conferences, interviews and shot the ads before RDA pulled out.
Maybe I'll hit Cabo this time and skull some shots pre-fight with no obligation.
I'm doing what I need for me now.
It is time to be selfish with my training again. It is the only way.
I feel the $400million I have generated for the company in my last three events, all inside 8 months, is enough to get me this slight leeway.
I am still ready to go for UFC 200.
I will offer, like I already did, to fly to New York for the big press conference that was scheduled, and then I will go back into training. With no distractions.
If this is not enough or they feel I have not deserved to sit this promotion run out this one time, well then I don't know what to say.
For the record also -
For USADA and for the UFC and my contract stipulations -
I AM NOT RETIRED.

Say what you want, but he's not wrong (at least in terms of what he's done). The biggest thing you could argue is the figures he gets paid DOES include all that promo stuff. So, in that case, yeah...scale back his pay. But they're using him like a shooting star (which is similar to how they used Ronda...they're just much more aware of it this time around). You ride the hot hand, make a ton of money, until the weight of the demands crushes him/her...then you move on to the next one.

 

I mean, seriously...just look at how many times Conor has fought in the past year. Sure, you could argue a lot of it was his own doing and his desire to make as much money as possible. But it's not exactly a shock that he'd get tired at some point. It's the same damn thing that happened to Ronda. You run until you break.

 

And I don't think he's trying to say he doesn't think he should have to promote at all...just that it's becoming more and more and more and more...and there has to be a damn line somewhere. Honestly, this starts to touch on the concept of having a fighter's union. You might be able to argue that McGregor's approach to this is wrong, but the guy is basically saying "If I keep going at this pace, I'm not going to be able to do the thing that got me here in the first place." And I'm sorry, but that's a really smart and personally aware thing to say. He's not wrong.



#1616 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 21 April 2016 - 05:33 PM

I just disagree with him. The other "bums" as he refers to them are making a fraction of what he does (and a very small fraction at that).

 

Velasquez got 400K fighting Werdum, Weidman got 500K fighting Vitor, Mighty Mouse gets about 300K, Robbie Lawler gets 500K to beat McDonald.

 

These guys are making less than 10% of Connor and they were all champions defending their belt (Connor doesn't even defend his). Granted they don't have the mouth Connor has or have had the UFC acting like he is  the greatest. The UFC isn't paying Connor 7 million dollars to just fight. The UFC gifted him the spot he is in. He's been protected. He doesn't even have to defend his belt. That is the dumbest thing out of all this. He is now going to have two fights outside his weight class that aren't even for a belt. Frankie Edgar is being screwed out of his title shot. (I think Frankie has a better shoot beating Connor than beating Aldo) Why the hell is there an interim title when the champion is fine and just picking and choosing whatever fights he want? 

 

If it was just about how exciting a fighter is then I would have to say Robbie Lawler should be getting the most. His fights rank of as some of the most violent in recent history. Connor is a great fighter and a much better promoter. That is what got him where he is. If he was just a respectful fighter he wouldn't have had a title fight yet.

 

Connor specifically mention "mush head" Diaz. Sure let's do that. Diaz can take the point on the promotions. Diaz can make 7 million dollars and Connor can then get the 500K.

 

The whole situation is funny because the UFC made a monster. They protected him, let him do whatever he wants and built him into this star and now he is fighting back.



#1617 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 21 April 2016 - 05:39 PM

"Sitting in a car on the way to some dump in Conneticut or somewhere, to speak to Tim and Suzie on the nobody gives a Fuck morning show did not get me this life. 

Talking to some lady that deep down doesn't give a Fuck about what I'm doing, but just wants some sound bites so she can maybe get her little tight ass a nice raise, and I'm cool with that too, I've been giving you all raises"

 

He also sounds like a massive cock. I wonder a little if this is all just some stunt he worked out to make his ego and paychecks bigger.

 

The way he tweets out his "retirement" and then sits silent for 48 hours letting ESPN and everyone else run with the story.

 

Hasn't he also bragged so much about how he is such a great promoter. Telling everyone how he "will change their bum life" and how a fight with him is red panty night? Red panty night got him where he is, not beating Dennis Siver.



#1618 Matt Young   Follow the buzzards CAGiversary!   15183 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:15 PM

I agree, his approach is all wrong. This whole situation makes Conor come off as a whiny, selfish prima donna who is willing to screw other people over if he doesn't get his way. I've lost a lot of respect for the guy.

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#1619 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16895 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:53 PM

I think you guys are just reading way more into it than what it is.

All I see is a guy saying "I've been taking point for the past 2 years with this company and I'm tired. Somebody else do it." Why doesn't he have a right to do that?

If the UFC wants to cut his pay and/or put him on the undercard as a result, that's their choice. But I'm not going to be a fucking hater because the guy is sick of doing interviews and wants to focus on getting better.

As for Dokstarr's argument about other fighters, that basically prove my point. Maybe if the UFC actually worked on building other stars then McGregor wouldn't be able to hold them hostage for tens of millions of dollars since nobody else brings in revenue like he does.

The irony in all this is the old idea that Mighty Mouse couldn't get the attention and hype that Conor did. Now, you have to wonder if it's intentional. The UFC runs Conor ragged on world tours. Meanwhile, Johnson gets to stay home and stream video games on Twitch, lol.



#1620 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2224 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:26 PM

Oh yeah - it's as I said earlier. The UFC has made it's own monster by building him up and up and up.

 

I wouldn't call myself a hater, but I think Connor's skills have been blown out of proportion hugely. He's not close to the fighter Jon Jones, Cormier, Werdum, GSP, Machida, Cain, etc. are.

 

I also don't believe Connor would give back 10 cents of his revenue to not have to promote. He wants both.

 

Either way - at least it is giving us something to talk about.

 

The most important news being overshadowed by all this Fedor is supposedly very close to signing with the UFC (lol). Even though this is pretty much 8 years too late, it would still be the biggest fight in the last 5 years to me if he fought Overeem, Werdum, or someone in the Top 10.