Papa John's Appreciation Day

fuck Schnatter and his nasty pizza. I'll go to a local place and show my appreciation for how they haven't helped make pizza the cheap shit it's become.
 
I think that we can all agree that he's a piece of shit. It's rather telling of a society when rather than giving the employees access to more affordable healthcare, especially since he needs them to build his ever growing fortune, he's celebrated for it. I couldn't give a fuck if 15 cents is 30% of his NET profit. Between this news and the bullshit in the Hostess thread, it's a goddamn travesty that there's so much hate for fellow American workers.
 
I'll give it to the folks running things, they've managed to turn people against each other in a way that I don't think any of us have seen in our lifetimes. You have people defending companies headed by businessmen who are more concerned about money than people, and shitting on the people who are the ones actually enabling that company to make it's money. And I'm not even talking about a particular company, just pick one. For every one Costco, that treats people with at least a sliver of decency, there is another Wal-Mart trying to fuck them over. It makes me sick to think this is what we've become.
 
Either way, I don't care. If it means that people can get decent health care, then they can raise prices if they need to. This is what I don't understand. In a non-fucked up world, people would be applauding a company that gave it's workers health care, even at a slightly raised price on products. Those people would understand that paying a few extra cents per pizza was allowing people to have a better standard of life. But no, instead we get what we have today.

I feel like the captain from Cool Hand Luke...
 
I get what you mean. It's a sad story all around. It's hard for me to have an opinion on the matter (except, you know, that the whole situation kinda sucks) without knowing PJ's finances. On one hand, I think studies show that happy and healthy workers translates to better business, on the other, it's his business and he can run it as he wishes. If people don't like how he runs it, then they can just not go there. Conversely, if people like what he's doing, then they can support it. Each side will think the other is wrong for doing so.

I laugh because of all the comments about the quality of his pizza.
 
It's just an odd thing to support, is all. Businesses have been compensating for the recession for years now, and prices have naturally been going up. Little Caesar's crazy bread went from its delicious $1.00 price point to nearly $2.00, for example. So if businesses everywhere are hurting and raising prices, it says something about people who choose to support just the one who charges a few more cents on a platform against something like health care. Where compensating for a rough economy wasn't news before, now it's a principal worth having a national holiday for. Has nothing to do with the actual costs.

Also strange that in these times people can afford a delivery of Papa John's, which is a week's worth of groceries.
 
1. Make elitist/homophobic/racist comment
2. ???
3. Profit!

Congrats to the CEOs of Chick-Fil-A and Papa Johns for figuring out #2. They deserve a special seat in hell.
 
Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.
 
If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...
 
[quote name='dopa345']Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.[/QUOTE]
And yet, you don't understand how the claims process works.

[quote name='RedvsBlue']If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...[/QUOTE]
I hate to say that I actually disagree with this. The current iteration of the Democratic party is still an overly corporate-friendly entity. The advocates are a loud ineffectual minority. They're as apt to listen to Kucinich as they are to listen to Ron Paul, but even Paul wields more influence in his party. Believe me, I wish it wasn't true.
 
[quote name='dopa345']Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.[/QUOTE]

Care to elaborate?
 
[quote name='dopa345']Obamacare is absolutely going to be a debacle. I say this as a physician practicing in Massachusetts and I have an MBA in health care policy.[/QUOTE]

Are you a specialist? Cause those guys have been whining about it for years after riding the gravy train.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/papa-johns-obamacare-ians-pizza_n_2133050.html

I live about 15 miles from the closest one and I am going to go there for my birthday next week after reading this. It is almost the perfect argument for healthcare. Small businesses that are doing the right thing will be on a more level playing field than these huge corporations that just put profit over person.

"Martin, a part owner of Ian’s Pizza, a pizza shop with four locations in Wisconsin, said his business has offered full heath care coverage to its 50 full-time employees for years, making it all the more difficult to compete with national chains like Papa John's that pay workers low wages without health benefits. If a small business can pay health insurance than Papa John's can. They are only not doing it because of greed and nothing else.

"This may level the playing field for us,” Martin said of the Papa John's price hike. “If they have to pay for benefits, and that pushes their prices up closer to ours, it will justify what we’ve been paying for and what we’ve been fighting to do the past few years.” (Ian's knows a bit about fighting, having fed demonstrators free slices during last year's protests in Madison.)"
 
My secret confession is, I don't hate Papa John's Pizza. Don't get me wrong, it's fast food pizza like Pizza Hut or Marco's. But it's not bad for fast food pizza.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']If it wasn't for Republicans we could have full on socialized health care like the vast majority of other first world countries (and even some 3rd world ones...) but they just have to further their government is enemy rhetoric...[/QUOTE]

How's that European economy doing?
 
European countries have actually learned to waste less money per capita in regards to health care. You don't hear on the news about how health care costs are going to screw over their respective economies. Just the supposedly "long lines" and crap at emergency rooms, which is basically the same here.

Besides, I sort of think Romney was right about how states also have to have a role in providing health care for Americans. Some states have a system set up for small business owners to help them find comprehensive plans that fit their needs and budgets. In New York City, there's such a site that sets out to do that. Obviously, some states have a piss poor record with their social services, leading some people to start complaining about how this new mandate is going to fuck them. If Papa John's can afford to give out two million pizzas, he can seriously afford the health care for his employees.
 
[quote name='Cantatus']Care to elaborate?[/QUOTE]

He won't and I don't think he has the capacity quite frankly to either.
 
Really unprofessional to wave your dick about credentials and then add nothing of substance. I might as well claim to be a nuclear physicist.
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']How's that European economy doing?[/QUOTE]

Not much worse than ours sadly... You also left out Canada, Australia, China, and a multitude of other 1st world countries with universal healthcare and currently strong economies. Basically, you can't lay all of the blame of a weak economy on providing health care to citizens.

Furthermore, 60% of bankruptcies are based on medical bills so how helpful are bankruptcies to strengthening an economy?

On a completely unrelated note, while I do appreciate that John Schnatter built this company and deserves to be wealthy. Anyone that can pull enough capital out of their company to build this

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but is concerned about health care reducing his profits per pizza by $.13 has some serious issues in his business plan.
 
After following your link on the Hostess thread, there was another article stating that it's actually closer to $.04. el oh el
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']On a completely unrelated note, while I do appreciate that John Schnatter built this company and deserves to be wealthy. Anyone that can pull enough capital out of their company to build this

schnatter-798810.jpg


but is concerned about health care reducing his profits per pizza by $.13 has some serious issues in his business plan.[/QUOTE]

That moat is not going to build itself.
 
Well, if he weren't already dead, the pisspoor state of journalism calling itself the National Review today would have killed William F. Buckley dead.

Picture Buckley grabbing a "meat lover's special" from the soggy white cardboard of a Papa John's box.

Yeah. That would have happened. :roll:
 
[quote name='Spokker']I have a high deductible HSA plan so I'm rolling in the fucking insurance now baby. Bring it on, cancer.[/QUOTE]

Huh, never seen someone wish cancer on themselves to prove a political point but good for you in sticking to your convictions.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Huh, never seen someone wish cancer on themselves to prove a political point but good for you in sticking to your convictions.[/QUOTE]
I wish cancer on myself so I can see how it all works. Some people say that if you get cancer they'll just fire you anyway and you lose your coverage. Or you'll be denied anyway.

Good thing you can't actually wish cancer on yourself. Boy, would my moles be red and misshapen.
 
[quote name='dohdough']After following your link on the Hostess thread, there was another article stating that it's actually closer to $.04. el oh el[/QUOTE]
Heh, wouldn't surprise me. This guy just keeps looking more and more petty by the day. His numbers have been all over the place.
 
[quote name='Spokker']I wish cancer on myself so I can see how it all works...

Good thing you can't actually wish cancer on yourself. [/QUOTE]
Good thing rhetoric doesn't cause cancer either...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Good thing rhetoric doesn't cause cancer either...[/QUOTE]

What rhetoric? That health insurance plans are confusing? That the future is uncertain? The sure way to know how your plan is going to perform, how the health system is going to perform, is to have a first-hand account of it. All I have is what I know from when I was a kid. Everything else is speculation.

Yes, people have been fired from their job after getting sick resulting in a loss of coverage which means they wasted all of their money paying those premiums anyway. Yes, people still go bankrupt from medical expenses even if they have insurance. So how to find out how it all works? Get sick. I'm reading my plan because open enrollment was this weekend and I have no idea how it's all going to work.
 
[quote name='Spokker']I have a high deductible HSA plan so I'm rolling in the fucking insurance now baby. Bring it on, cancer.[/QUOTE]

What a stupid thing to say.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']What a stupid thing to say.[/QUOTE]

No stupider then the people who profess the wish to be poor so they can start pulling down all those sweet govt benefits. Most dumb people are conservative.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']What a stupid thing to say.[/QUOTE]
I wish cancer on you. Good thing it doesn't actually work.
 
[quote name='camoor']No stupider then the people who profess the wish to be poor so they can start pulling down all those sweet govt benefits. Most dumb people are conservative.[/QUOTE]

I've never seen anyone make that claim - do you have any links?

Before you start, stating that there are too many government benefits is not the same as wishing to be poor to get them.
 
[quote name='camoor']No stupider then the people who profess the wish to be poor so they can start pulling down all those sweet govt benefits. [/QUOTE]
And then there are people who are that poor who cannot pull down those sweet government benefits. They are called men. This is one gap that no one gives a shit about addressing. WIC stands for "Women Infants and Children," after all.
 
[quote name='yourlefthand']??? No links then, great. You've got nothing.[/QUOTE]

I'll be nice - JS Mill was a philosopher and political theorist. Wiki is your friend
 
[quote name='Spokker']And then there are people who are that poor who cannot pull down those sweet government benefits. They are called men. This is one gap that no one gives a shit about addressing. WIC stands for "Women Infants and Children," after all.[/QUOTE]

I was being sarcastic. Being poor is not easy for anyone and we should do more to help out. I'd like to help out all folks but IMHO the safety net should be strongest for children and the elderly (IE the folks who might not be able to take care of themselves)
 
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