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#1021 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3274 Posts   Joined 5.6 Years Ago  

Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:06 AM

That was a crazy way to end the NLCS... I expected the Cardinals to win the series, but I wasn't expecting a 9-0 finish.  :whee:

 

It will be interesting to see who they face in the World Series. I would be totally fine if the Red Sox and Tigers take it to a game seven.


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#1022 MSUHitman   Checkmate Arcade Co-Host CAGiversary!   12295 Posts   Joined 8.9 Years Ago  

Posted 19 October 2013 - 06:44 AM

Congrats to the Cardinals! Here's to a good World Series.


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#1023 AngryDragon888   9 Toes 3 Balls CAGiversary!   174 Posts   Joined 4.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

Great game by the birds!!  Good to see some guys who have been struggling at the plate get some big hits too.  Hopefully it carries on into the World Series.


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#1024 speedracer   Banned Banned   3735 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 07:54 PM

Well that sucked. 


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#1025 KingBroly   CAG Club Nintendo CAGiversary!   15248 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:03 AM

Red Sox Win!  World Series here we come!

 

Fuck you, Bobby Valentine.


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#1026 CaseyRyback   Your New Nightmare! Super Moderators   24095 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 05:18 AM

Red Sox Win!  World Series here we come!

 

Fuck you, Bobby Valentine.

 

 

This is why people hate Boston sports fans. Instead of just being happy, you kick dirt on someone who didn't get a fair shake at the job. 



#1027 KingBroly   CAG Club Nintendo CAGiversary!   15248 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 06:40 AM

This is why people hate Boston sports fans. Instead of just being happy, you kick dirt on someone who didn't get a fair shake at the job. 

 

I don't like Bobby Valentine in general.  Never have, never will.  I didn't like it when the Red Sox hired him, and I was glad when they fired him.  He doesn't strike me as a good manager, and the fact that everyone was praising the decision last year when he was hired as some sort of automatic pass to the World Series makes me question the sports knowledge of anyone who thought it would be the case.  And as a side note, the Red Sox are the only Boston sports franchise that I am a fan of.  I hate the Bruins, have a general distaste of the Patriots, and I am apathetic about the Celtics because I am not really a fan of basketball.

 

I guess if I felt sorry for anyone it would be Blue Jays fans because we bought their manager.  :S  


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#1028 pitfallharry219   Salty milk & pennies CAGiversary!   11760 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:30 AM

I can't believe the Giants gave Lincecum a 2y/$35m deal.


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#1029 GhostShark   The Drunken Whaler CAGiversary!   3143 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 04:45 AM

He's not even worth half of that contract. His past two years have been terrible and his fastball velocity have steadily dropped every year.


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#1030 Feeding the Abscess   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2716 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition
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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

There's actually glimmers of hope with Lincecum. His contact rate last season was 74.4%. In 2009 it was 74.9%. 74.1% in 2008. His zone% has dipped a few points from his peak.

 

Put simply, he's as unhittable as ever. He's just falling behind in more counts, which leads to more pitches over the plate. Coupled with his reduced velocity, that means harder contact (when it's made). If the Giants pitching coach looks at this info, it's literally as simple as telling Lincecum 'just throw it over the plate for strike 1 and go from there'.


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#1031 GhostShark   The Drunken Whaler CAGiversary!   3143 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:13 PM

He had a 68 ERA+ and 76 ERA+ the last two years with a -1.7 bWAR and -0.6 bWAR in those years (though fangraphs has him at 2.5 WAR over that span). So there is a lot more there than just throwing a first pitch strike. That's pretty much the plan for almost every single starting pitcher. The fact is that he is getting paid 17.5 million dollars for the next two years after coming off two extremely  horrible seasons. Couple that with him entering his 30s soon and his fastball velocity on a steady decline, I can't see him breaking 5 WAR over the next two seasons. 

 

Though his FIP and xFIP numbers might suggest he is still a decent pitcher, but not a 17+ million dollar a year pitcher. 


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#1032 GhostShark   The Drunken Whaler CAGiversary!   3143 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

Sorry for the double post!

 

What do you guys predict for this world series?

 

I'm going to say Red Sox in 6 with Koji Uehara winning the MVP. 


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#1033 shrike4242   Not My Job Anymore, Go Bother Someone Else. CAGiversary!   42367 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:37 PM

Cardinals in 6 or 7 with Adam Wainright or Michael Wacha winning MVP.



#1034 KingBroly   CAG Club Nintendo CAGiversary!   15248 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:58 PM

As a Red Sox fan, I'm not feeling very confident about this one.


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#1035 GhostShark   The Drunken Whaler CAGiversary!   3143 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:30 AM

First inning and a ump has already blown a routine call, haha.

 

EDIT: It was reversed and rightly so.


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#1036 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:35 AM

First inning and a ump has already blown a routine call, haha.

 

EDIT: It was reversed and rightly so.

 

I've never seen a call like that reversed, but man how the hell did the ump miss that the first time?  He was 4 feet away.


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#1037 merchie89   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2378 Posts   Joined 5.3 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:39 AM

All i gotta say is :censored:  the cards. They suck


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#1038 FloodyFloats   Cagtastic CAGiversary!   401 Posts   Joined 5.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:51 PM

What does everyone think about the substance in Lesters glove?


#1039 dragonjud   Got games, but no time CAGiversary!   3304 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 04:55 PM

What does everyone think about the substance in Lesters glove?

Not really sure what it was, but aside from the Cards stinking up the place, I'd say it was cheating.

You don't have to go to the specific videos being posted either.  You can clearly see on the ESPN replays/highlights, that he goes to that part of the glove in at least one occasion to grab whatever he had. 

I'm not a Cards or Sox fan, but if it's not meant to be on your glove then don't put it there...cheating for me.




#1040 CaseyRyback   Your New Nightmare! Super Moderators   24095 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:58 PM

I wonder if the Kozma's play yesterday makes the Cardinals think about a Profar for Tavares swap in the offseason.



#1041 sendme   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5073 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 06:58 PM

What does everyone think about the substance in Lesters glove?


If he was oh well. The cards couldn't win last night if he was or wasnt using something. Not with the way they were playing last night. Hell I don't even think they could have won if they were cheating as well and this is coming from a cards fan.
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#1042 Feeding the Abscess   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2716 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Diablo III: Ultimate Evil Edition
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:45 PM

He had a 68 ERA+ and 76 ERA+ the last two years with a -1.7 bWAR and -0.6 bWAR in those years (though fangraphs has him at 2.5 WAR over that span). So there is a lot more there than just throwing a first pitch strike. That's pretty much the plan for almost every single starting pitcher. The fact is that he is getting paid 17.5 million dollars for the next two years after coming off two extremely  horrible seasons. Couple that with him entering his 30s soon and his fastball velocity on a steady decline, I can't see him breaking 5 WAR over the next two seasons. 

 

Though his FIP and xFIP numbers might suggest he is still a decent pitcher, but not a 17+ million dollar a year pitcher. 

Hitters are swinging and swinging and missing at the exact same rate as they were in his peak, 2008 and 2009. So, while his velocity is down from those years, he still has some of the very best swing and miss stuff of all starters in baseball. What is different from those years is his first strike percentage (down slightly) and his zone percentage (down several points). This means he's getting more swings and misses in 2-1 or 3-1 counts instead of 1-2 or 2-2 counts, leading to more walks and fewer strikeouts. In Lincecum's case, it really is as simple as getting strike one/throwing more strikes in general.

 

Him actually throwing more strikes is another issue.


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#1043 DNukem170   Pikaburger! Use Meat Shield! CAGiversary!   6698 Posts   Joined 9.3 Years Ago   Has been playing Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Justice for All
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Posted 24 October 2013 - 08:31 PM

He was cheating. It's Major League Baseball. Everybody cheats and has cheated for more than a century.

In the future, think of any player taking the field as cheating in some way.

#1044 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:21 PM

We do this 2 or 3 times a year whenever someone decides to bring up pitchers putting rosin or sunscreen or anything else on their hand to improve their grip.  Everyone who knows thing one about baseball knows that the majority of pitchers do this, and yet it's still treated like some gigantic controversy every time. 


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#1045 bvharris   the black wind howls CAGiversary!   19419 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 24 October 2013 - 10:24 PM

On an unrelated note...

 

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#1046 sendme   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5073 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 25 October 2013 - 10:23 PM

When I saw that the other night I fell over laughing.  That was also the time the I had hoped that the Cards wouldn't win that game.  After seeing that they didn't deserve to win that night.


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#1047 Zolor23   Hey there. CAGiversary!   2964 Posts   Joined 3.5 Years Ago  

Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:10 AM

What a finish. Pissed off that they play 9 innings of hard-fought ball to finish on that note.

 

However, I believe this may induce the Sox to play even harder the next few games.

 

GO SOX.



#1048 FloodyFloats   Cagtastic CAGiversary!   401 Posts   Joined 5.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 05:10 AM

Man that's was a crazy bottom of the 9th. I do believe the call was right. That play and Workmans at bat made the game for me.


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Posted 27 October 2013 - 05:37 AM

I dont know if the call was right (I dont think Middlebrooks raised his heels at least) but the Sox deserved to lose that game.  First by having Workman bat in the 9th over Napoli just to take him out quickly in the bottom of the inning, then by pitching to Jay and Salty making that throw.  Would have much rather taken my chances with Kozma at the plate, he couldnt hit air all night.  Tough game to watch as a Sox fan.


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#1050 tonyv4   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2303 Posts   Joined 8.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:31 PM

I dont know if the call was right (I dont think Middlebrooks raised his heels at least) but the Sox deserved to lose that game.  First by having Workman bat in the 9th over Napoli just to take him out quickly in the bottom of the inning, then by pitching to Jay and Salty making that throw.  Would have much rather taken my chances with Kozma at the plate, he couldnt hit air all night.  Tough game to watch as a Sox fan.


I think it was the correct call. I've watched the replay a few times and what I saw was Middlebrooks look at where the ball was after he had dived and raised the bottom half of his legs. Whether or not it was intentional is up for debate but it was clearly interfering with the runner.