Fascinating that you can't distinguish between the point I was making. Serving is serving and not serving is not serving. Hanging out in the JROTC does not make you a veteran. Going to boot camp does not make you a veteran. Wearing camo and driving a pick-up does not make you a veteran. My point is when people talk about "OMG look at that army asshole" how do they know he is a veteran? How do you know he served? I live near a ANG base. Because I saw someone in digi camo acting like a jackass I'm going to assume he is or was serving? Typically the loudest most self serving people who claim to be "X" aren't "X" and certainly would be the last people that "X" would want as spokespeople.
Did you even read the OP? I linked to the guy's blog which spurred my whole thought on the issue. It's the guys who say, "As a veteran who served this country and blew off my foot doing it, how dare this private company tell me to cover up a tattoo that I got to be offensive!" My point is the guys who need to tell us all they are a veteran, while complaining about not being treated like gods, are what's wrong. Not the 4 friends of mine on Facebook who were all veterans, agreed with my comments, and said it bothers them when the "I need ___ because I'm a veteran" card. They don't do it, because they have honor and dignity. I respect them.
How do we respect them more? We take care of them. You think we do a good job taking care of are military personnel when they come back stateside? No.. none of those "volunteers" should be respected more. Not even worth a debate. They can come home at any time. They can fall back on their MD or PhD.
But the free education, access to (poor) healthcare, preferential placement in many jobs, and payment they received for their service precludes them from being compared to volunteers who are healing people or delivering humanitarian aid? Hunh, it would appear we disagree on that point. I have just as much respect for a guy who was a sniper in Iraq, as a doctor who volunteered for 6 months in Haiti or Sub-Saharan Africa. Guess we're different.
Do you think the chest pumping from modern war veterans is because they feel like they are less supported, and less respected and less valued then those that fought in WWI or WWII? Do you think maybe they are compensating for something? You have a similar attitude to that of Stephen King, local celebrity, who got criticized (rightfully) when he said "If You Can't Read, You'll End Up in the Army or Iraq"
You're bias is showing if you think people with college degrees aren't enlisting in the military. Perhaps not as infantry soliders but you ever heard of OCS? And God bless the military for taking the uneducated and poor.
What's my bias? And yes, thank God for taking our uneducated and poor, and giving them an automatic rifle. I sleep better at night knowing they are armed, and representing our country and "defending our freedoms" in the desert of Iraq. Up next, SAM missiles for the American bi-polar.
I would think no preferential treatment is needed. Whether they speak Arabic, Hebrew, or Dutch, and lots of chicks. I would like to see society reward people for being opposed to torture though, you're on to something there.
And that's a bad thing? Should businesses be putting out PR for people like yourself saying "We prefer those who are against torture, speak Arabic, prefer girls as friends" Would that make you feel better?
I don't know, you'd be surprised. I'm pretty special, and get recognized for it with some frequency.
Maybe you're the one trying to compensate for something because you don't think society thinks you are special enough.
Shame on their relatives for not caring for them and being around them. I haven't visited a dedicated veteran's home, but a friend works at the VA. If a WWII vet is dying alone and depressed, his relatives. They are the shits in all of this.
OH REALLY? How are they being cared for? It's one thing to talk it... it's another thing to follow through. It's one thing to say it, or have "Barbasol" commericials saying it to move products but it is another thing to put it into action. Ever been in a Veteran's home? Ever seen how this "so called greatest generation" is being cared for? Ever seen the mental and emotional problems that generation has developed as they aged?
I'm not big on sweets. I was mentioning I speak Arabic to prove I'm special. I'm guessing I nailed it, you've used the "hey, if it weren't for us lying about WMDs in Iraq and sending a bunch of kids over there to die, we'd all be speaking Arabic! Herpa derr derr"
You want a cookie? You're telling me this because.....
Of course. I don't not support the soldiers. I'm not a fan of the ones who think they need to tell all of us about how great they are for choosing to enter the military. There are lots of great career aspirations and actions a person can undertake. For whatever reason, much of society thinks being a soldier is the only one that makes you infallible and better than the rest of the population.
You can be against the wars, military spending, the vastness of the military AND still support the individual soldiers.
How many vets think their asses should be kissed? I don't know of any that act entitled like that. Do they exist? Sure. Your point?
Many may enlist to get an education, or to just be productive. Many enlist because they want to be mechanics or put out fires or even be doctors and end up "Shooting up Baghdad" because that is what they were DIRECTED to do.
Sounds like they need a better means to an end. Enlisting during wartime pretty much ensures your ass is going to be on a plane. If you don't have any moral concerns with the war, then by all means, go for it. Just don't come back and tell me why you're better than everyone, because you elected to go.
You do? You really remember that? Seriously? For REALZ? Cross your heart?
Yes, I was there. I'm one of the signatories of the Bill of Rights. I'm the white guy with a wig.