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#61 DT778   number 1 on the westside CAGiversary!   10493 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:52 PM

Cool.



#62 Rocko   Hurm. CAGiversary!   38778 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:07 PM

How anyone could buy the Xbox One at this point is beyond me.



#63 munch   la tête de CAG CAGiversary!   19472 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

WELP. I'm not sure what this means in practice, but it doesn't sound the same as last night.

 

http://www.polygon.c...r-own-drm-terms



#64 SneakyPenguin   Agent of SHIELD CAGiversary!   16948 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 06:55 PM

WELP. I'm not sure what this means in practice, but it doesn't sound the same as last night.

 

http://www.polygon.c...r-own-drm-terms

 

"This policy sounds similar to what exists on PlayStation 3 today — for example, EA notably implemented an Online Pass system as a method for limiting online access to secondhand purchasers. Publishers also have similar freedom on PCs, where consumers can choose to support games whose DRM policies they find appropriate"

 

This is what I'm thinking.  Publishers already dictate their own policies on PC and to some degree on console.  However, Sony as a first party developer going with little to no DRM will hopefully influence other prublishers to keep DRM to a minimum on their system.


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#65 Admiral Ackbar   It's a trap! CAGiversary!   15837 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:37 PM

I think it just means the PS4 maintains the status quo from the PS3.

 

The PS3 does have DRM limits. Can only install digital games on so many consoles, need online pass, etc. The PS4 will still have that. But it doesn't appear to have a all encompasing system like the Xbox one that looks at every aspect of DRM down to if you can only trade in your used games at Gamestop and Amazon.

 

Like, I see the difference between the two as the difference between the Kindle and a blu-ray movie. The PS4 uses the basic blu system. You buy a blu, it may have some DRM to try to prevent you from copying, it may have some code in the case that allows you to download bonus content and special featues one time. Maybe a one time digital download of the movie itself. But the core movie on the disc you can give to a friend or trade in. You own the blu-ray and the movie on it to do what you like.

 

With a Kindle, you bought the book in digital format but Amazon locks that market so they have extra rights. For example, they can make changes to the book you just bought. And they can limit you sharing with a friend for fourteen days. And you can't trade it in compared if you bought an actual book. With the Xbox you buy a disc but that's just a content delivery tool. The platform itself is aligning from a DRM standpoint closer to a Kindle in that they may, and the word is may, limit when you can trade in a game, when and how long a friend can borrow a game, etc.

 

And note, this is only with physical copies. On either platform when you download a game you are basically locked into the digtial DRM model. I think what concerns me and other people is the established concept on who "owns" a physcial copy of a game and the "rights" you have with a physical copy. When you buy a phsical DVD, CD, book, or a game, those "rights" are pretty much well established. Imgine if Sony had introduced blu-ray and then stated once you buy a blu new you'd only be able to sell the movie used at Amazon, Gamestop, BestBuy and other "participating" retailers. It would bother people because it changes the rights relationship. Even if they never really enforced it.

 

And it comes down to a matter of perspective. Is a disc the content you own, or is it just a digital delivery system? For example, if I have a file on my USB, It's not the USB that's the content, it's the file. Or look at some people who go nuts over is DLC is on disc or not? I prefer a company put future DLC on disc and just make me download a 100kB key to unlock it. I would prefer that than having to download a 2 Gig update that takes up hard drive space. But I at least understand the arguiment.

 

It appears to me that MS, being a software company, is putting a line in the sand and arguing that a disc is just a content delivery system. All games need to be installed, you have limits on what you can do with that game, whatever. Sony is sticking to the traditional model that the game is the disc. They both have every right to do this. And as consumers we have every right not to weigh the issues and choose to buy or not. (Though, as an aside, I am concerned that MS's used game policy is anti-competitive and may violate anti-trust law. But that's another story.)

 

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This is how the big three approached E3 this year IMO.

 

Microsoft: "Americans love the xbox like grandma and apple pie."

Sony: "Apples! How do you like them apples!"

Nintendo: "Err, who wants to play Mario Kart? Anybody?"


One more comment, I listened to three podcasts after MS revealed their DRM policy in May. Joystiq, Cagcast, and Rebel FM. And all three of them totally missed how important this issue was to players. Maybe because they're more involved in the games industry. But all three shrugged their shoulders, said some gamers seemed disgruntled, and moved on. I think Cheapy at least said that the used game market is important for cheap games. But that was it. Both Joystiq and Rebel, actual journalistic groups, appeared to miss the importance of the story.


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#66 DT778   number 1 on the westside CAGiversary!   10493 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:00 PM

Does wombat still beg for free stuff on the cagcast?



#67 munch   la tête de CAG CAGiversary!   19472 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:15 PM

 

WELP. I'm not sure what this means in practice, but it doesn't sound the same as last night.

 

http://www.polygon.c...r-own-drm-terms

 

"This policy sounds similar to what exists on PlayStation 3 today — for example, EA notably implemented an Online Pass system as a method for limiting online access to secondhand purchasers. Publishers also have similar freedom on PCs, where consumers can choose to support games whose DRM policies they find appropriate"

 

This is what I'm thinking.  Publishers already dictate their own policies on PC and to some degree on console.  However, Sony as a first party developer going with little to no DRM will hopefully influence other prublishers to keep DRM to a minimum on their system.

 

 

Ah, that update wasn't there before. That makes much more sense. I really don't get Microsoft's strategy here, and it seems to me that third-party publishers would want to distance themselves from DRM practices on consoles.



#68 Admiral Ackbar   It's a trap! CAGiversary!   15837 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Admiral Ackbar

Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:19 PM

Does wombat still beg for free stuff on the cagcast?

 

Not as much as he use too. Now he's in more of a "whining" phase.


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#69 SneakyPenguin   Agent of SHIELD CAGiversary!   16948 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:39 PM

 

 

WELP. I'm not sure what this means in practice, but it doesn't sound the same as last night.

 

http://www.polygon.c...r-own-drm-terms

 

"This policy sounds similar to what exists on PlayStation 3 today — for example, EA notably implemented an Online Pass system as a method for limiting online access to secondhand purchasers. Publishers also have similar freedom on PCs, where consumers can choose to support games whose DRM policies they find appropriate"

 

This is what I'm thinking.  Publishers already dictate their own policies on PC and to some degree on console.  However, Sony as a first party developer going with little to no DRM will hopefully influence other prublishers to keep DRM to a minimum on their system.

 

 

Ah, that update wasn't there before. That makes much more sense. I really don't get Microsoft's strategy here, and it seems to me that third-party publishers would want to distance themselves from DRM practices on consoles.

 

 

Especially when you consider that EA has stopped with the Online Pass bullshit and also Ubi has started moving away from DRM for their titles as well.  Publishers are slowly starting to realize that DRM is bad, so Microsoft heralding shit that even EA and Ubi have dropped is nothing short of full retard.


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#70 Dick Tracy   The Man in the Yellow Hat CAGiversary!   38553 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:12 PM

Here's my current PS3 libary (spelling intentional):

 

- 3D Dot Game Heroes

- Alpha Protocol

- Deadly Premonition: The Director's Cut

- Demon's Souls

- Front Mission Evolved

- The Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection

- inFamous

- Little Big Planet

- Little Big Planet 2

- Metal Gear Solid 4

- NieR

- Valkyria Chronicles

- Yakuza: Dead Souls

 

I plan on picking up Dark Souls, Yakuza 4 and inFamous 2 when I can, but does anyone got any other suggestions?


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#71 CaseyRyback   Your New Nightmare! Super Moderators   24114 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:13 PM

http://www.wral.com/...1/#/vid12534741

 

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#72 FriskyTanuki   Believeland CAGiversary!   59808 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:06 PM

http://www.gamasutra...Gamasutra News)

 

Sony's not allowing Online Passes on the PS4 since online MP is tied to PS+ on PS4. They can do things beyond that, but there's not much reason to do that unless publishers want to out themselves like that.


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#73 GuyWithGun   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3102 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:54 PM

I despise the playstation controller. That will always keep me away from the PS4. 

 

Like I said, I'm probably going to go steambox + 360 controller.

 

I feel the same about the Xbox controller.  I've tried many times to get used to it, but PS controllers feel so much better to me.


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#74 becuzimbrown   Very popular in the OTT. CAGiversary!   7887 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:24 AM

Hey guys, just dropping in to ask what consoles you guys are getting so that I can game with my friends on the OTT! I think I will get all of them so that I am not separated from anyone :).

#75 Admiral Ackbar   It's a trap! CAGiversary!   15837 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Admiral Ackbar

Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:47 AM

I'm tire of zombies. Zombies are played out.

 

Mummies are the new zombies.


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#76 MusicNoteLess   empty CAGiversary!   8882 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

MusicNoteLess

Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:10 AM

I'm legit sad that KI3 is an Xbox One exclusive. SO SAD.



#77 seanr1221   :'( CAGiversary!   24428 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 June 2013 - 01:28 PM

Sold off 99% of my 360 collection, bought a year of PS+, full Last of Us reserve and have money left over for PS4.

Fuck you, MS and your shitty new drm policy. I'm voting with my wallet. Even if it doesn't make any difference, I like to stand by my principles.

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#78 eldergamer   Gold Star For Robot Boy CAGiversary!   5644 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:35 PM

Have been watching Simpsons DVDs while I fold the laundry lately.

It's amazing what a 5 year old find funny.

She's still laughing at this days later.



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#79 Admiral Ackbar   It's a trap! CAGiversary!   15837 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:42 PM

Sold off 99% of my 360 collection

 

By sold he means collected in a pile in his front yard and burned.


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#80 eldergamer   Gold Star For Robot Boy CAGiversary!   5644 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:44 PM

Took about a half dozen times to figure out how to imbed a  YouTube video with this new system.


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#81 FriskyTanuki   Believeland CAGiversary!   59808 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:02 PM

It's exactly the same as it was on old CAG. Just post the link.

 

Edit: At least it was in the last day or so. I don't know why/how it changed.


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#82 DT778   number 1 on the westside CAGiversary!   10493 Posts   Joined 11.7 Years Ago  

Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:16 PM

Sold off 99% of my 360 collection, bought a year of PS+, full Last of Us reserve and have money left over for PS4.

Fuck you, MS and your shitty new drm policy. I'm voting with my wallet. Even if it doesn't make any difference, I like to stand by my principles.

What did you keep?

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I made a list of the games I have and I was surprised how small it was. I borrow games from my brothers so that helps a lot.

 

PS3
The ICO and Shadow of the Colossus Collection (need to finish SotC)
3D Dot Game Heroes (currently playing, almost done)

Xbox 360
Madden 13 (still play)
UFC 3 (still play)
Saints Row the Third: Full Package (playing co-op with brother)
Skyrim (done but brother playing it)

Hitman Blood Money (probably going on ebay soon)

DJ Hero (the music games are just there but people play them ocasionally)
Guitar Hero 3
Def Jam Rapster

Also got some digital games. A handful of PSN+ games and for xbox I got Left for Dead 2 and Alan Wake.



#83 CaseyRyback   Your New Nightmare! Super Moderators   24114 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:57 PM

http://www.wbshop.co...4485850&ref=CJP

 

Stolen from SD and posted here in case stinkin still lurks. 21 bucks for the complete series of fringe on bd after tax and shipping is pretty good. Never watched the show, but at that price I figured it was worth snagging. 

 

Hoping that WB doesn't notice the mistake and ships it.



#84 pitfallharry219   And at the end of fear...oblivion CAGiversary!   12763 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

pitfallharry219

Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:08 PM

I could not stop laughing at the guy in the Xbox One thread who said Xbox One was breaking preorder records, and then linked to Blockbuster and a supermarket chain to back up his claim. And he was being serious.


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#85 CaseyRyback   Your New Nightmare! Super Moderators   24114 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 08:46 PM

 

I just finished watching this episode of Larry Sanders. It was fucking great. I fucking love Jeffrey Tambor.



#86 Dick Tracy   The Man in the Yellow Hat CAGiversary!   38553 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:13 PM

I sold off 99% of my 360 collection, too.  Haha.

 

I still have all of my 8-) games, but I don't think I'll be popping those in any time soon.  I also let my Gold subscription end.  Tempted to toss my 360 out my window.

 

I kept some 360 games that I foresee turning collectable, though.


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#87 SneakyPenguin   Agent of SHIELD CAGiversary!   16948 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

SneakyPenguin

Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:40 PM



http://www.wbshop.co...4485850&ref=CJP

 

Stolen from SD and posted here in case stinkin still lurks. 21 bucks for the complete series of fringe on bd after tax and shipping is pretty good. Never watched the show, but at that price I figured it was worth snagging. 

 

Hoping that WB doesn't notice the mistake and ships it.

 

Fuck, why the hell not.  Thanks for posting this, I've been meaning to check out the show but hell that's a low barrier of entry.


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#88 munch   la tête de CAG CAGiversary!   19472 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:01 PM

I ordered it too. Hopefully it goes through.



#89 MusicNoteLess   empty CAGiversary!   8882 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

MusicNoteLess

Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:19 PM

My copy of Viva Pinata will be worth tens of dollars.

#90 munch   la tête de CAG CAGiversary!   19472 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 12 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

How is that game going for $10 now? My copy got crushed by my kids, and I didn't care at the time. I would have loved to have gotten $10 for it.