I would love to see you say that anytime a white person says something racist. It seems in this case, we can take in the context
Who hates minorities? I personally treat everyone in my life based on their individual actions. Its when we define people by groups that we squash individual responsibility and excellence. I want the best person for the job. Period.
how can you be a baby but yet unborn...
That wasn't really my point but your right about abortions. Its not like women get abortions several months into pregnancy when the fetus is highly developed... Oh wait, yes they do.
I know ....
Yes, the whites do make more laws than anybody else but its because they are the dominant race. They have been here longer than almost anyone else. In a few years the whites will be a minority and I am afraid we will still have these silly laws and regulations. Race does not dictate the types of laws that pass but instead the character itself does.
Define "dominant."
HAHAHHAHA...come again?
Don't worry. It's been proven in sociological experiments that victims of oppression tend to not be as oppressive when the positions are reversed. So whites don't have to worry about being treated as poorly as the way they treated people over the last hundreds of years.
Black people just tend to be of poor character, amirite??? Where's Spokker?
More prominent racist? What definition of racist do you have that I fit in? This goes way back to arguments I have had with dohdough that minorities "can't" be racist.
The problem is where do you stop it? Is the morning after pill an abortion? You can talk about the morality of it as much as you want, and I fully agree, but we aren't a moral society. We are a society to be entertained and not inconvenienced so we make up excuses as to why "that isn't technically a baby". Our society won't accept moral laws such as that.
Dominant as in the majority.
Weren't it the descendants of Europeans who founded this country?
Oh yes those poor black people with their free healthcare and education. People of yesterday are long gone. You should move on as well.
You call everyone else a racist for disagreeing with you but seems your the only who keeps bringing up race as an issue.
Uh huh. So what kinds of laws are the making? And what kinds of socialization influences them?
So there was nothing there before the founding of this country?
Like I said, we'll be more benevolent than you were. We'll make public transportation more accessible after we gentrify your neighborhoods.
LOLZ...I call racists racist because they're racist, not because I simply disagree with them. Stop rationalizing things like a freaking child. Your reductio ad absurdum is...absurd.
What point are you trying to make?
We were talking about the majority of whites when this country was founded. No one said anything about what happened prior to that.
Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush.
Buh buh boo hoo. If I am not mistaken you have implied or called me a racist, unclebob and egofed. Pretty sure we all want good things for minorities and the likes. You, unlike others always bring race into arguments, so like I said the only racist here seems to be you.
Having more numbers doesn't necessarily translate into creating hegemony or economically/politically dominant. In matter of fact, having the largest population and being somewhere the longest have the LEAST to do with it compared to many other things.
You said that whites were here the longest. That's not even remotely true by any measure unless you think whites are the only ones that count.
Actually, they are. Multinational corporations and the financial sectors are doing better than ever. Have you checked the stock market lately? Have you checked your retirement account(s) if you have any? Hell, now same-sex married couples are able to enjoy federal benefits from marriage. So yeah, even if Obama continued and expanded some imperialist programs from Bush's leftovers, a lot of people are a lot better off! Even me! I can objectively say that I'm doing shitloads better than when Bush was in office.Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush.
Let me clarify it for you: I called you a racist. I called unclebob a racist. I called egofed a racist. I called a few members that were banned for trolling and being racist...well, racist. All three of you chuckleheads have said VERY racist things. Not just once or twice, but have demonstrated a pattern of it.
Are there more white politicians in this country than blacks or latinos? Was this the case ever since this country was conceived?
I said they have been here longer than almost anyone else. So longer than blacks, asians and etc. Native Americans are an exception as this was their home prior to European colonists but they became the dominant force when this country was conceived. So my statement holds true considering I am talking about United States of America and not w/e this place was prior to that. Maybe you should keep your history lessons to yourself.
No, things are not better. Its like when people in congress keep claiming that they cut the budget and save the taxpayer's money. In reality they only trim the portion which is being added. Stock market has been doing great under Bush as well just like housing. It all crashed later on because they keep relying on failed policies, something Obama is doing as well. My savings account is non existent but my gold and silver are doing really well. They keep rising in value and will do so for a while.
Name one thing where I was clearly being a racist? Do the same for Unclebob and Egofed. You won't be able to find it because it is not true. It is like saying if your pro abortion then you must be a serial killer. It's wrong a silly, something that can be used to describe you. Just for your reference, when I first moved to this country my first friend was black. Some of my current friends are black as well and happen to be great people. I would not deny them their rights nor would I for any other individual.
South Africa has a black majority, yet it was white South Africans were the ones that instituted apartheid. The same applies to Native Americans and European Christian fundamentalists decided that they would just steal what they wanted because they knew better than those "savages."
Sure sounds like you're doing pretty good on the commodities market. It's not like the value of precious metals ever crashed, right?
Confirmed: you're doing better under Obama than Bush.
Shouldn't, couldn't, wouldn't, but it does and it looks like you're all for denying equal rights to same-sex couples as if they can't love and commit to each other like straight couples do.
You don't get to call foul when your ideological representatives were crying socialism and communism everytime Obama wanted to go in a different direction than Bush. But tell me, how do you feel about the Tea Party.
LOLZ@you for not understanding how those programs work and why they were created.
So you want me to dig through 60+ pages of old posts for evidence of racism without you defining what it is? No
ing thanks. How about this: I'll post one for every post of mine you find that's "racist."Find me the results of a similar poll done in the pre-Civil Rights Act Era and post the results here. Yes, they exist. I dare ya. I double dog dare ya.
I still do not understand what this has to do with my reply to finger's post.
Crashed lately? No. They have dropped in value as the stocks are getting stronger. Yet historically gold and silver has been increasing significantly in value.
I am enlightened.
Where did I say that I want to deny them their rights? Where do you even get this shit from?
Oh you mean universal healthcare sponsored by a federal government is not a form of socialism? How about secret spying on citizens who did not commit a crime? How about killing Americans citizens without a trial? Oops your right, its called a dictatorship. My bad!
When I lived in Sacramento there was a huge Ukrainian community. Most of those people collected some sort of benefit from the state or the feds. Most of them were relatively new in this county and so far have done nothing to deserve such care. The ones I went to school with criticized Americans for being dumb and fat. They may partially be right because all we do is give people the handouts when instead we should be creating opportunities to prosper.
Fine, don't dig. Just stop bringing up race everytime there is an issue like you did in this thread on the second page.So you want me to dig through 60+ pages of old posts for evidence of racism without you defining what it is? No
You know I would like to but that stuff is ancient. This stuff is from today. I think we live in today's day and not you know..last century.
You do know why people think your a borderline racist right?
Allow me to clarify myself then. Whites are a dominant race here in US when it comes population, power, politics and wealth. Nonetheless we still have shitty laws and regulations. We also have a black president who keeps continuing the oppressive politics of his predecessors. So in conclusion race does not play a role here, the politics are in fact determined by the individuals who are passing these laws.
Not the first time I stumped you.
Yeah, cause we all know that commodities are immune from having their value manipulated.
Yeah...tell me more about how conservatives weren't trying to rack him with cries about job losses, unemployment, and a shitty stock market for the first 4.5 years in office. Let's see how much of an ideologue you are.
We've already established that you think that federal benefits for same-sex married couples is a crock of shit and that straight couples are currently getting those benefits. In matter of fact, I don't think you even know what those benefits are if you're saying that NO ONE should be able to have them, which makes me
The US does not have anything close to resembling a universal healthcare system nor nationalized healthcare system unless you're a member of the military, which is inaccessible to the general public.
Do you honestly think these things only happened in the last 2 administrations? If anything, this administration has fulfilled it's promise of being more transparent whether it was intentional or not. You're confusing technological advances in communication with paranoia. The things you're so surprised about can be applied to every single president we've had. EVERY.SINGLE.ONE. Is it ok? Of course not, but your small mindedness results in dropping most of the responsibility Obama, rather than the systems that create an environment to make these circumstances possible. Easier to trot out nebulous concepts and rhetoric than to actually THINK, I suppose.
Cutting off all social safety nets=creating opportunities to prosper. Yeah, that really worked well throughout the history of civilization.
Now you got me pissed.
If public opinion hasn't changed in 75 years, what does that indicate to you?
ING EL OH EL at history not mattering when in another paragraph to talk about how my posting history matters. You're a joke.
I do not know how to respond to something that is off topic.
Stock market isn't? I am sure you would agree with me that it does get manipulated which would then lead me to ask why would you even bring it up then?
Funny how you keep pinning one me what others have said. Pretty sure I made point clear to everyone in this forum that I blame republicans just as much as I blame democrats for the mess we are in. The problem with Obama is that he does not go in different direction and continues failed economic policies of his predecessors.
I do not know all of them, sure. I am not going to deny that or pretend like I am some sort of an expert. What you keep missing is the principle. We should not give someone a set of extra benefits based on class or group.We've already established that you think that federal benefits for same-sex married couples is a crock of shit and that straight couples are currently getting those benefits. In matter of fact, I don't think you even know what those benefits are if you're saying that NO ONE should be able to have them, which makes me
People also say that US is a free country which is untrue. It might not be a true nationalized healthcare system and yet it keeps moving in that direction. You can not expect things to drastically change overnight. The difference between you and me is that I actually see what is going to happen in the future at the rate were going and you do not.
If you read some of my previous posts then you would realize that I have been saying this has been happening long before Obama and Bush. Just because this administration is more transparent than the previous one does not make it transparent. If you find me paranoid then oh boy do you need to go read huffingtonpost.com and see how they feel about the NSA and drone strikes. And again you keep claiming that I only blame Obama when I blame many others before him. Please go read some of my posts before making silly claims like that again.
Oh my there we go again, putting words into my mouth. By creating opportunities I am talking about job growth, innovation and training. What do you think is going to happen when you keep handing a drug addicts more drugs? Do you expect them to get clean? This is what happening with many of citizens who only get handouts instead of a helping hand. Keep in mind that I am open to helping others as I have numerously stated but is is best if it is done through a private sector. More efficiency and less waste. Just look at all the great projects from churches or charities, they had done more good than the government.
Oh no! Is Dohdough mad? I am glad we reached that point where I clearly see that you are not ready to be on these forums. You cannot debate, you cannot argue your points and you only insult. Funny this whole time I held you in much higher regard.
You are quite amusing. When I brought up historical examples in previous arguments, you would always dismiss them and now you quickly change your position. Typical.If public opinion hasn't changed in 75 years, what does that indicate to you? Oh and
Perhaps I was reading one of your posts in another thread. I just thought you edited it out. These days all of the threads tend to devolve into the usual back & forth so it's possible I was just mixed up.
Sure you do. You go off-topic ALL THE DAMN TIME because I always follow you down the rabbit hole to see what kind of pseudo-intellectual junkfood you want to serve up.
YOU were the one that made the statement that we're so much worse under Obama and by using the metrics that conservatives were trying to beat him up on since the was inaugurated, it's obvious that we are FAR better off now than when Bush left office.
But you DO pretend like you're an expert because your ill-informed convictions. "The principle" is a poor excuse for your ignorance on a matter.
The healthcare system is not nationalized period...like in any way. Are you going to tell me that the US is going to nationalize the telecom industry as well?
Didn't you just try to chide me on going off-topic? You made the assertion that we're worse under Obama than under Bush. If you implied that we are the same, you wouldn't have mentioned shit about the NSA, drone strikes, and US citizens on kill lists.
What a bunch of vacuous crap. Job growth, innovation, and training is your answer? You might as well say that meth is bad for you, so you shouldn't smoke it. Thank you so much for that insightful commentary!
LOLZ...I can't debate anything and only insult people? Please, I'm insulted by your ignorance. By my count, this is the second time you admitted that you don't know jack shit about an issue while having strong opinions on it based on less than nothing, while expecting me to treat your opinion as if it were as valid as one based on facts. Not going to happen.
Maybe you should start providing some context next time and not purposely omit important facts.
The Republican politicians suck because they do not follow their own supposed party ideals, the Democrat politicians suck because they DO follow their party's ideals.
Republicans vote for a subsidy for the sugar companies while whining about fiscal conservatism and the free market. Bush passes Medicare part D unfunded! It's BS. At least you know the Dems are sincere when they speak about social reforms like "spreading the wealth" and "making the rich pay their fair share." Its their own BS but at least they usually act accordingly. That's why it is funny to see Obama stick with some of Bush's policies even after he explicitly campaigned against them. I think most liberals think that we need the gov't to protect us from the greed and control of evil corporations, and they are willing to sacrifice their freedom for that protection. What they do not realize is that the gov't has become its own evil entity now with greed, corruption, and excess that dwarves any corporation. Ultimate control of everything. A liberal's utopia. Maybe after these mid term elections, we'll get to see how that works out. I think they can win because the Repubs can't stop shooting themselves in the foot with vaginal probes and the like. I do wonder how many of you guys support the increases in expenses to the coal industry that Obama is supporting while we are still in recovery mode. China and our other global competition certainly won't handcuff their economies like that. Is this the right plan and the right time?
Ok. Can you give me an example?
Can you point me to that statement? Also the reason why I bag on Obama so much is because he is currently in power and he was supposed to bring real change to the Washington DC like he promised. There was more enthusiasm when it came to his candidacy than any other politician in decades. Do not worry about me bagging on Republicans, I had done so and will continue to do so until they get their shit straight.
Did I talk down on you? Did I claim like I was some sort of social and economic genius? I merely state my opinion and observation based on what I have seen and experience first hand. I am pretty sure you do the same.
Still clinging on technicalities? Thought so. You seem to have ignored about me stating that we are moving to something much worse.The healthcare system is not nationalized period...like in any way. Are you going to tell me that the US is going to nationalize the telecom industry as well?
Actually I implied that we are not better under Obama. Then I talked about NSA and Drone Strikes and etc. Funny thing is that I am pretty sure there have been more drone strikes under Obama than Bush therefore one could argue that things are worse. As a matter of fact I can continue to list reasons why I believe times are worse under Obama than Bush.
Oh, I am sorry. Did you expect me to list an entire economic plan? I can give you summary if you would like. I am sure it will be a little better than what you have: Social Safety Nets. Bravo!
Oh your insulted? Boo hoo. I keep refuting each point you make and you come back spewing trash. Unlike you, I am not willing to stop down to your level. I argue with facts not insults. Try again.
Funny, I could have said the same thing about you.
Why cause certain stereotypes ( racists ) know black people are going to ghetto-fy instead of gentrify?
Being racist and sexist is a full time job, you can't expect them to do anything when they hate minorities, women, gays, athetists, etc etc..
Your very first post in this thread.
Oh jeebus, just read through your inane posts in this thread to figure it out. You only made the comment like less than two ago. Not to mention that your comment was so off the wall that I had to do a double-take because it was so wacky.
So you opine about society, economics, and politics while barely having a clue as to how any of those things work, admitting that you barely know anything, and then you expect me to accept your opinion as being as valid as gospel truth because it's an "opinion?" I'll let that kind of shit fly if we're talking about the best flavor of ice cream, but not when you're trying to convince me or others that your opinion is the most grounded one. So no, I don't do the same thing as you.
"Technicalities?" Does the government run the healthcare system from the bottom to the top? Are hospitals public institutions? Are those doctors, nurses, and secretaries government employees? I mean seriously, wtf do you think nationalized even means?
Oh ok, so you DON'T blame the republicans as much as you blame Obama. Glad we cleared that up!
The term "social safety net" is an understood umbrella term for programs like food stamps, welfare, Medicare/-caid, unemployment, Social Security, etc. It's far more specific than "create jobs," "grow the economy," "bombs are bad," or "crack is whack." The pride you take in making those types of statements is embarrassing...as in I'm embarrassed for you.
Where in my post did I make the argument that the government is more efficient that the private sector? I SPECIFICALLY said that private charities and churches simply don't have the ability to distribute resources as efficiently as a large governmental agency created to deal with specific problems in any large scale event. It's simply logistically impossible. A vast majority of private charities don't have the manpower, equipment, or supplies to cover a small town if a natural disaster hits, muchless a city.
Refuting with what? Your opinions based on limited actual knowledge and your guts? Or maybe by using your lack of memory to say that certain things never happened when they actually did? Or was it by telling me to go dumpster diving because you think I'm a racist for calling people racists that actually said racist things.
Actually, you can't.
Oh you mean when someone else claimed that we hate minorities? Yep.Your very first post in this thread.
"Oh yes things are so much better under Obama than Bush". I am sorry it is my fault for not being more clear. This comment implies that things are not better and thats it, therefore it could mean things are the same. I am gonna go ahead and make it clear for you again that things were better under Bush. Gosh I feel like I am gonna throw up just saying that.
I never claimed to be an expert but then who is on these forums? It sure is not you after the shit you keep posting. It seems I know enough to refute your points across several threads and actually backing up with links to outside sources. You on the other hand just blabber away about me being a racist for support private property rights.
Nationalized would it is completely under the control of the government. Currently it is not and yet is going that way. Are hospitals public institutions? Hmm do they get public funding? Therefore does that mean that employees get money from the government Me thinks so. How about patients paying with medicare or medicaid? Is that a public insurance of sort?
Oh I see your still stuck on that. Sorry things are so confusing for you.
Why should you feel embarrassed? I am not the one relying on the government for handouts. I want people to prosper and not be stuck in ghettos asking for phones and shitty healthcare. You seem to be fine with it. Good for you, great way to support your peeps.
Oh I don't know, I guess this particular sentence: "How is it more efficient to have 1000 different organizations that aren't networked doing the same shit?" or did you decide to flip flop?
Me and countless others being a racist. Government being inefficient, socialism working, Obama being a terrible president and etc. What else did you have in mind?Refuting with what? Your opinions based on limited actual knowledge and your guts? Or maybe by using your lack of memory to say that certain things never happened when they actually did? Or was it by telling me to go dumpster diving because you think I'm a racist for calling people racists that actually said racist things.
By the way, you've sent MANY insults my way. The difference between me and you is that I own up to them and you pretend like you never made them like a coward. In matter of fact, there are three insults in that little paragraph in that little quote of yours.
Did you? No? GG.
