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CAGcast #332: Delete This Show

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#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17759 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:32 AM

The CAGcast crew talks Indie Games and Microsoft, EVE Online, Apple Store secrets and RAM.  Gotta have RAM.
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#2 hereon   Here-On Earth CAGiversary!   431 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:49 AM

Yeah! More RAM!

#3 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:05 AM

After listening to the CAGcast backlog for the 3rd time,

I've noticed that Shipwreck was mentioned as early as CAGcast 43ish? I don't know if we've ever heard of how you guys met?

Could you fill us in Cheapy? Shipwreck?



#4 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17759 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:27 AM

Everybody met through CAG.  Wombat contacted me to do a radio show and this is how far we got.



#5 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:33 AM

well be honest. Wombat used Howard to sucker you in.. Anyway, its fun to listen to those old shows. Loading times was one concern back then. Man times have changed.



#6 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:37 AM

oh yeah.. and JimmyMac. I loved that guy. 

He reminded me of a Jim Florentine type of guy.



#7 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:44 AM

see.. Wombat had WlA



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Guest_felix559_*

Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:37 AM

the game sectioning is something I really want for the new xbla, but genre division can quickly become more of a problem than it's worth.  can I just get the music/rhythm, sports and indie games in their own sections?  I am so tired of all the rockband dlc... 



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Guest_felix559_*

Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:05 AM

I wouldn't have a problem going to and all digital library, but the storage is a real killer;  bluray rips are huge!  and would the console marketplace take pc's lead and release a $10-15 cheaper product?  probably not.



#10 BetaDemo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   261 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:21 PM

I've still got my fingers crossed that Sony is about to announce they're scrapping the PS4 bluray drive in favor of an easy bake pizza oven. Who wants disc when you've got dough?  

 

Also: Wombat please don't buy a mac air for $1,000.00 when you can buy a gaming laptop that'll run steam for the same price.  

 

 

BTW:  Cheapy, you HAVE to connect your ubber remote to the toilet!!  Just think of comedy value you are going to miss out on whenever you're hosting guests (especially westerners) and you'll understand.  

 

PS:  There is an Airsoft store across the street from my place; however, where Japan gets it wrong and America gets it right is that we also have real gun stores loaded with real heavy guns which shoot real bullets.   

 

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#11 urge26   No time for games CAGiversary!   353 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:25 PM

Hey Ship, that place where you shoot the zombies doesn't use real bullets..... I've never been there, but I work with a bunch of gun totting guys who have and they use:

 

Simunition FX® (non-lethal, non-toxic) ammo is used worldwide by military, police, SWAT, hostage rescue and other elite agencies for its phenomenal realism and the training opportunities it offers. Civilians can’t buy it. But now they CAN shoot it at Shoot Extreme!



#12 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7576 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 12:35 PM

Hey Ship, that place where you shoot the zombies doesn't use real bullets..... I've never been there, but I work with a bunch of gun totting guys who have and they use:

 

Simunition FX® (non-lethal, non-toxic) ammo is used worldwide by military, police, SWAT, hostage rescue and other elite agencies for its phenomenal realism and the training opportunities it offers. Civilians can’t buy it. But now they CAN shoot it at Shoot Extreme!

Oh, well that's kind of neat. The commercials I've heard don't explain that well enough for blaster users like me.



#13 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3649 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

Indie Games has become a really weird thing. As far as I care, if the game is good I'm happy. If it sucks, I don't want it.

 

Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition isn't made by Notch, it was ported by 4J Studios and published by Microsoft Game Studios. Is Microsoft Game Studios Indie now? Honestly, I don't care. The game is fun and I like it.



#14 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2455 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:08 PM

Cheapy, why do you still need your old tv remote after purchasing this new one? It seems like a shitty $400 remote if it can't replace your old one completely...



#15 Stryffe2004   Overlord of the Obvious CAGiversary!   1090 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 01:51 PM

Definitely agree with Wombat on the navigation issue.  When I need to go change setting on the PS3, it is always a hunt.  The 360 stuff is all pretty contained and easy to find.  I also think the way Sony and MS approach their systems is making me lean toward the XBOX One.  MS seems to add game changing infrastructure with each system and Sony seems to play catch up.

 

The original XBOX had a broadband only online system that was poo-poo'ed by pretty much every gaming journalist as being too exclusionary.  The PS2 had dial up and broadband, but in reality, the vast majority of games were broadband only because of lag.  The original XBOX also had the first online console store with XBOX Live Arcade.  The 360 launched with achievements.  Now everyone has them.  The 360 was the first one to get Netflix.  Now it would be weird to not have Netflix on a system.  From there, the 360 has gotten app after app and so has everyone else.  Even though MS gets a a lot of hate for not working with Indies, they have the only console with a dedicated indie channel. Sony has played it safe and that's fine, but I want something more than a 360 or PS3 with better graphics.  

 

I like MS' vision of expanding the console beyond games only.  I simply can't understand why people constantly complain about added features and just want a system that plays games.  The TV functionality is intriguing to me and I think the voice commands are something Sony is going to adapt down the road.  I am still waiting for a bit more information before pulling the trigger, but MS' track record of pushing forward is compelling.   



#16 kupomogli   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   117 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

Journey developers have already made money.  Sony funded them.  It's only a few months ago that they started to receive royalties.  So now they're receiving more money with each game that's sold.  Of course Sony isn't going to give them royalties for the game until they get the money they funded back.

 

The $5.5 million that thatgamecompany received from investors, that's going to have to be paid back before they start getting royalties for whatever the new game is.



#17 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1059 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

The PS4 just passed the FCC.  There aren't going to be any changes to the hardware now, or it won't launch in 2013.

 

http://www.polygon.c...c-certification

 

Bastion was definitely an indie game.  It was made by seven people.



#18 hufferstl   Get your symbols kid CAGiversary!   2547 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

I know that for games the current kinect is pretty much a joke, but I use the voice commands every day when I use my 360.  It works 99% of the time and I am seriously impressed EVERY TIME I use my voice to pause a movie or tell my xbox to shut down.  I hope the next kinect works better for games, but as long as I can talk to my system, I will probably keep being impressed with it.  I am glad that Microsoft is including it with each system.



#19 bickle   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   817 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

Show 332 Notes:

2:45 Cheapy jumps on the Logitech Harmony bandwagon
6:30 Cheapy's secret: How he f**ed his p**** at the Apple Store
9:30 Show Feedback
10:00 - Transformers, Pacific Rim, Despicable Me 2
13:30 Watch This: The Conjuring
16:30 - Bourne Legacy
18:15 Cheapy's night out; Gun stuff in Japan/US
22:00 New Releases
22:00 - Earthbound, Shantae, Roll in the Hole, Shadowrun Returns,

Smurfs, Nascar, Undead Bowling
25:00 EVE Online
28:45 Mercenary Kings
31:15 Evoland
34:00 Dungeon Hearts
35:00 The Swapper
37:45 Mario & Luigi Dream Team
40:45 Sim City sales
44:30 MS clarifies/changes indie plans; Gaming media coverage; indie games; gaming forums
1:07:15 PS4 RAM rumours
1:11:30 Chromecast
1:13:00 Cagbag
1:13:30 - WiiU
1:15:45 - MS launch controversy
1:20:30 - Why is Wombat getting a XB1 first?
1:23:30 - Digital releases before physical releases?

#20 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4210 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:27 PM

When Shipwreck was talking about Evoland I kept thinking of "A Link To The Past" and how you warp from light to dark to get stuff done, or even Metroid Prime 2.



#21 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7576 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:35 PM

When Shipwreck was talking about Evoland I kept think of "A Link To The Past" and how you warp from light to dark to get stuff done, or even Metroid Prime 2.


Yup, like that.

#22 maxiell   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   417 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:47 PM

I waited until Wombat asked the scintillating question, "Is Valve indie?" to delete this show.

 

Spinning positive X1 news into negative X1 news by saying the only people who care about smaller games are on messageboards is reductionism at its finest.

 

The weird thing is, you guys pretty much talked only about indie games for the hour preceding this.



#23 zekeike   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   106 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

I got a new laptop and downloaded Steam just for Mercenary Kings. I couldn't wait for the PS4 version.

I bought Rogue Legacy while I was waiting for Mercenary Kings.

As a huge Castlevania fan, I can easily say this is a must buy for Metroidvania fans. I love all the upgrades and abilites you can get for your character. It took  me 16 hours to finish my first playthrough and want to play more.

 

Mercenary Kings is weird in the beginning of the game. You have to get used to the mechanics of the game. Once you get some cool weapon upgrades it gets a lot better. It has 60 missions and there are some bugs. The final game will have 100 missions.

 

Also Cheapy should checkout The Wolverine, it was filmed around around Tokyo Tower.



#24 penfold.01   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   2 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 08:10 PM

Wombat sounds like he's got a real chip on his shoulder during that indie games section...like one year Indie Games had a sweet He-Man themed birthday party with an ice cream cake and a Slip 'n Slide (a genuine Wham-O product) and everybody from his class was invited except him and ever since he's had a grudge against Indie Games.

 

To my mind, the main factors that contribute to a game's indie status are:

  • funding source
  • budget
  • development team size
  • publisher
  • coupling between creative and financial decisions

So a pure indie game is self funded, has a small budget, is created by a small team, is self published, and the creative vision is divorced from financial decisions (other than the reality of either running out of money or putting out a game you aren't fully convinced is finished.)  Because of the nature of modern gaming there are very few games that meet all of these criteria, but the last one is probably the most important.  It's often what makes a game FEEL like an indie game and why most big budget games don't (as it's rare that someone is willing to fork over a large sum of money and not want to be involved in decisions.)  A good example of this is Journey...it was funded and published by Sony as a Sony exclusive but it still manages to feel like an indie game.  Our lexicon for describing games fails us in this regard, but I think it all comes down to whether or not it feels like a corporate entity is coming between a developer's creative intent and our gameplay experience.



#25 Prodigal CAG   CAG in Training CAG Veteran   1 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 09:57 PM

Glad to hear you are enjoying EVE Cheapy.  It may be daunting at first but it is a truly unique experience.  Be sure to check out the Alliance Tournament XI videos on the CCP twitch channel.  The tournament gives a good sample of small gang PvP by some of the best pilots in the game.  Great show guys and keep up the transformers movie hate.



#26 codenamelenny   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   200 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:28 PM

Wombat, come on! I think you may be generalizing indie games a bit much. You have of course played and enjoyed indie games. When people say indie games they actually don't always mean "indie", pretty much anything on XBLA (that isn't funded by a publisher) would be considered indie ie Bastion.



#27 Technique   I AM THE SECRAT INGREDINT CAGiversary!   2387 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:07 PM

Wombat, remember Outpost Kaloki X? I thought you liked that one.



#28 painkillah   Black Sheep CAGiversary!   99 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:11 PM

I keep forgetting you guys are around my age group. Yes I watched Transformers as a kid. The movie probably resembles the newer versions of the animated series more than the original. Could it have been better, sure. But sometimes nostalgia gets the better of us, like republicans pining for the old days. I am sure you would have enjoyed (the rubber suits and cardboard box) 80's version more cause you had more of an imagination then. Anyway, I was more of a Voltron and Robotech fan (thanks to military friends and family) than a transformers fan.

 

As for airsoft in the US; we have 100% replicas but they have red tips so law enforcement can identify them as toys. BTW airsoft guns probably have more catastrophic failures than modern guns. Unless you are talking about black powder weapons. Guns kill and maim people but usually by projectiles out the business end. A carrot in the barrel is not going to cause it to backfire. Oh and you can thank America for the lack of guns in Japan. Japan is probably the most powerful country without nuclear weapons too. Disclaimer: I own assault rifles and handguns for my own amusement and 1 in a billion chance of Zday. I would gladly give up my weapons to honor a ban from the government. You'd have to be a lunatic to think they are for protection from tyranny. And if you ban guns obviously you wouldn't need them to protect yourself from gun violence. 

 

Eve=Space Combat

 

Indie games have no achievements. That's how I separate them from real games. If it has cheevos then the game has transcended the indie boundaries. 

 

As always good show. You probably need to post an article like "MS is a big stupid doo doo head," to bring back some of your loyal listeners. 



#29 Yenos   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   233 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 27 July 2013 - 12:08 AM

Blah right when I started to like Wombat again he has to say some of the most ignorant things I have ever heard anyone say about gaming. You hate indie games because you hate hipsters..... I'm starting to think he just hates anything he doesn't immediately recognize by the name. Besides Wombat being a douche towards the end it was a great and entertaining episode. I'm really happy you guys have been talking more about pc gaming. That's where I do most of my gaming, so its nice to hear you guys talk about it more. I think I'm going to go pick up Evoland now because of Shipwreck.

 

Good Job Cheapy and Ship........... Wombat.....well...... w......O...M....b...a.tttt



#30 AriesDog   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   766 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 03:09 AM

When discussing if major movie releases come to digital weeks before retail how did Wombat fail to cite the infamous Evil Dead ad? That was the whole point. Get it on Xbox Video before it comes out on DVD.