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CAGcast #333: So Long and Thanks for all the Fish, Phil

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#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17736 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:27 AM

The gang brushes up on the latest sexist terminology with Saints Row IV, enjoys Skulls of the Shogun and The Swapper, and wonders if time is running out for a meaningful Wii U price drop.
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#2 hunterny77   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   129 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:54 AM

Wombat not that I would ever say anything bad to you but honestly regarding your family ...you have a beautiful family. So no need to ever get down for some dumb nut saying something mean about you or your family on the Internet.

#3 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4205 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:02 AM

Phil Fish Japanese games suck video:



#4 ILikePopCans   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   56 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

ILikePopCans

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:45 AM

Hey Cheapy, read this Kotaku article about that Japanese games suck thing Fish said. What Phil said may of been crass, but you make it sound like he wish death on him, and it was not that bad at all.

 

http://kotaku.com/59...-fish-thank-you



#5 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4205 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:54 AM

I'm not buying Batman Origins because it doesn't have Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill, or Paul Dini's Involvement. They helped make the previous Batman games really great, and now they hire new people who cost less. I might end up buying it when it's $14.99 on gamefly or something, but I have no interest at the moment.



#6 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:02 AM

whats up with the soundcloud links lately?



#7 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17736 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:11 AM

whats up with the soundcloud links lately?

It's a good place for people to listen if they want to stream it, rather than download.

#8 evophile   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1165 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:06 AM

Cheapy I have something to say about your son. He is an incredibly cute kid.



#9 skadave   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   207 Posts   Joined 9.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

NEWS FLASH!!! Movies with Death and Dismemberment are not appropriate for a 6 Year old. Put your own selfishness aside and shut the show off.



#10 token2k6   LG FUAD CAGiversary!   4510 Posts   Joined 10.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:06 PM

Dammit Wombat, just hang it up! Every week minutes / hour of my life wasted. And Unifromed Opinions? More like Misinformed Boringpinions!!

 

;)  ;)



#11 Sgt Barone   CAG since 2008 CAGiversary!   2031 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Sgt Barone

Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

Can't wait to listen!



#12 BetaDemo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   261 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:32 PM

Can't wait to listen!

 

 

QFT.  Thanks for the podcast fellas!

 

NEWSFLASH: It appears that Cheapy's suspicions about kinect 2.0 may very well be correct according to John Carmack: http://www.ign.com/a...tially-the-same Perhaps a round of hate masterbate is in order?  Fire on the hole!  

 

Wombat: Your contribution to lexicon of internet culture slang is great but perhaps it would be better shortened into Haterbate?  Either way I can't wait to catch it trending or the 1st time I get a text message from someone using the expression.   :twisted:



#13 Stryffe2004   Overlord of the Obvious CAGiversary!   1090 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

Cheapy's excitement over Flashpoint got me to order it.  I was on the fence but the ringing endorsement push me over the edge.  The DC animated movies have all been top notch.  I wish that DC had used the Green Lantern: First Flight movie as a template for the live action movie.  I still don't understand why they won't use the Wonder Woman animated movie as a template for a live action movie.  it was phenomenal and the good will they would get for having a female lead would separate them from Marvel, who so far have shied away from having a female lead.

 

Speaking of female leads, I wonder how Frank Frazetta and Boris Vallejo would fare now if the Sorceress for Dragon's Crown is getting this kind of push back.  Fantasy characters have historically had exaggerated proportions and those two were masters at fantasy character design, with plenty of scantily clad, well endowed women.  We are getting into really dangerous territory if are going to start reducing the review score of a game because of the art style.  Does Miranda's skin tight cat suit mean Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 should have lower scores?  What about the vast cast of the Capcom fighters from Sagat to Morrigan to Cammy or the Mortal Kombatants who all wear skimpy outfits?  As a minority, I am sensitive to political correctness, but you undercut your message by going overboard.       

 

Great show gentlemen.



#14 KingWulfgar   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   49 Posts   Joined 8.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:23 PM

The Fish video sort of reminds me of what I saw someone say about Mattrick when he was talking about how they have the Xbox 360 for people who don't have internet connections (prior to the DRM backpedalling), "He's right, but he's an asshole." Was Fish a jerk and out of line? Sure. From what I hear, he's apologized. The essence of what he was saying, though, is right and everyone else in the video went on to explain it in more pleasant terms.

 

That being said, I find the whole "I'm taking my ball and going home" thing hilarious. He's obviously (as you guys said on the podcast) too self-absorbed to ignore what people say about him and he takes it way too personally while claiming otherwise. I don't give a crap if Fez 2 ever gets made--the first one wasn't that great and a sequel isn't exactly "revolutionary indie game-making." I have no use for people that use the media when it's time to shill their latest game, but whine and moan about unfair treatment when the coverage isn't always favorable. He can't have it both ways.



#15 ChaosTony   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   12 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:41 PM

Cheapy's excitement over Flashpoint got me to order it. I was on the fence but the ringing endorsement push me over the edge. The DC animated movies have all been top notch. I wish that DC had used the Green Lantern: First Flight movie as a template for the live action movie. I still don't understand why they won't use the Wonder Woman animated movie as a template for a live action movie. it was phenomenal and the good will they would get for having a female lead would separate them from Marvel, who so far have shied away from having a female lead.

Speaking of female leads, I wonder how Frank Frazetta and Boris Vallejo would fare now if the Sorceress for Dragon's Crown is getting this kind of push back. Fantasy characters have historically had exaggerated proportions and those two were masters at fantasy character design, with plenty of scantily clad, well endowed women. We are getting into really dangerous territory if are going to start reducing the review score of a game because of the art style. Does Miranda's skin tight cat suit mean Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 should have lower scores? What about the vast cast of the Capcom fighters from Sagat to Morrigan to Cammy or the Mortal Kombatants who all wear skimpy outfits? As a minority, I am sensitive to political correctness, but you undercut your message by going overboard.

Great show gentlemen.



You're missing the point; Miranda's skintight suit is one character, if every single female wore skintight outfits and stood in a way that you can see their ass AND titties at the same time, then it would be the same.

#16 goodybear   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   92 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:29 PM

Just like Cheapy D,



#17 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2454 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:43 PM

Wombat, I echo Cheapy's endorsement of Flashpoint. The movie does a far better job of fleshing out the Flashpoint world than the comic series did (all of the expansion was done in the various mini-series). One of the best (if not the best) DC Animated film IMO.

 

EDIT: Oh. And I want more mama Wombat. "Stop playing with your balls!"

 

EDIT #2 (Sorry, I'm listening and responding as I go): I have to agree with Wombat regarding a "system seller". I think everyone who thinks that Smash Bros, Mario Kart, etc are system sellers are overlooking the Gamecube which didn't get that much help from those games. So while I'm sure there are some people who bought Nintendo system for those games, I'm hard pressed to put them up there as "system sellers" on the scale others make them out to be.



#18 stingray2772   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   63 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:43 PM

Though I think the last show you did express your views on gun control, this week you did a good job of putting it to rest. Controversial issues like that are always going to spawn people in both favors, and I somewhat agree that they would probably be better kept off the show - but at the same time I'm not forced to listen to the show. My wife and I don't see eye to eye on every issue as well, I don't expect to see the same view as you guys. We've all had different experiences which have an affect on how we view things.



#19 LiK   Internet Superstar CAGiversary!   2303 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

Shipwreck was spot on. People offended by sexism in SRIV and Deagon's Crown is the same as calling playboy out for sexism. People need to know the differences.

#20 testudo   CAGERY! CAGiversary!   130 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 02:56 PM

You build crowds. guaranteed.



#21 Stryffe2004   Overlord of the Obvious CAGiversary!   1090 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Stryffe2004

Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:25 PM

You're missing the point; Miranda's skintight suit is one character, if every single female wore skintight outfits and stood in a way that you can see their ass AND titties at the same time, then it would be the same.

True, but it the sorceress is only one out of three female characters (I guess you could say the Amazon in a bikini is offensive, but Wonder Woman is an Amazon in a bikini as well, so that is another story).  The elf is completely clothed.  I guess my point is that if the character design is an issue in calculating the score, we are looking at a slippery slope.  You can point it out as offensive to your sensibilities, but penalizing the score when it really has nothing to do with the game play or story makes me nervous.    



#22 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! Super Moderators   4205 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:51 PM

The Fish video sort of reminds me of what I saw someone say about Mattrick when he was talking about how they have the Xbox 360 for people who don't have internet connections (prior to the DRM backpedalling), "He's right, but he's an asshole." Was Fish a jerk and out of line? Sure. From what I hear, he's apologized. The essence of what he was saying, though, is right and everyone else in the video went on to explain it in more pleasant terms.

 

I don't even think he was right. Here's the thing, Japanese companies make great games, it's just that most of them aren't in your library because of the usual American console preference. It seems like from my observation that when the 360/PS3 era started, they saw how much budgets were getting and how everyone was playing (In their country) a lot of portables. If you look at the DS, PSP, and Wii you'll find a lot more Japanese developed games on their than on the 360 or PS3. 

 

I bought a PS3 almost 2 years ago and have played some amazing Japanese stuff (Ni No Kuni, Valkyria Chronicles, 3D Dot Heroes). I did most of my gaming on the 360 this generation and the reason I think people (Like Phil) think Japanese games suck is because they just play 360/PC and like I said earlier Japanese Companies made this weird decision to not have big budgets on their games and have stuck to portable with the odd PS3 game.

 

It's just my opinion though,



#23 Icedus   Starpointer CAGiversary!   96 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:56 PM

I groaned at the title, after just listening to a podcast that blindsided me by circlejerking to Fish for a good hour; I was relieved you guys didn't linger on it for nearly as long.  So a guy who made one game decided not to make another one.  In other news, Hudson is still extinguished.



#24 thrifty1   Delicious Deal Stacker CAGiversary!   204 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:11 PM

Shipwreck nailed it. It's a money game. I think the $20 Bioshock pass is a response to take two's $30 season passes not selling as well. I'm wondering how much the GTA V season pass will be especially with next gen coming up.

 

Bioshock  pass is totally worth it. I'm top ranked on one of the boards for PS3. I think the fact that i've been playing it the past 2 days when I have around 20-30 unopened games in my backlog says it all. Great way to just jump into the game's combat without any hassles. The unique challenges are pretty good and give you a chance/reason to play around with gear settups. It basically removes the legwork of scrounging/collecting which make rpgs enjoyable so you can just enjoy the solid combat the game has.

 

I bought the season pass when the game released just because i loved everything they did with the game, but now i think they're gonna over deliver. The real deal is going to be returning to Rapture as Booker with new weapons/vigors. But at $5 it costs half as much as the sandwhich i'm eating right now. 

 

In fishman's defense, he did sound like a dick being blunt.  But if you watch the video posted above he goes on to give a really good explanation of why the most recent Zelda was such a disappointment compared to previous games. Every single secret chest is marked on the minimap with an icon and you're led from zone to zone in such a linear fashion. Those were my exact complaints.  It wasn't a bad game, but it felt like a chore compared to other games in the series which had more exploration. Plus collecting all the 20 heart pieces/hylian shield was completely pointless since the game was so easy. He wins internet points with me on that one. I'd check out his game if they released it on the Vita.

 

And yeah I totally agree with everyone on the milkage of Batman. This is the first one I don't have preordered.I'm gonna wait on a pricecut. They're burning me out on batman and i love batman.



#25 AriesDog   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   762 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:29 PM

Glad to hear I wasn't the only not blown away by Fez. I was super excited when it was first previewed. Even after it was delayed for so long I remembered the (then) neat throwback to 8-bit graphics and cool concept of a 2D character discovering 3D. But then I played the demo and just plain didn't like it. The gaming press treated it like it was the second coming.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:30 PM

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#27 Argive   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   161 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:14 PM

Cheapy, you did express an opinion on gun control last week. You said something to the effect of "in America you can use the real ones but not the realistic fake ones, in Japan it's the opposite. Seems like America has it backwards." I didn't care about the opinion, but it's kind of annoying listening to you guys spend several minutes talking about how you didn't express an opinion, and insinuating that everyone in the comments just wasn't listening, without bothering to go back and check.



#28 Hast   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   26 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:40 PM

Glad to hear I wasn't the only not blown away by Fez. I was super excited when it was first previewed. ... But then I played the demo and just plain didn't like it. The gaming press treated it like it was the second coming.

 

The thing about Fez is that you really need to play through it at least once (ie get 32 cubes) before you understand why people like it.

 

It has some of the same ideas that Evoland has, where you "unlock" the game in pretty fundamental ways. And when you do this it makes it possible to understand the world in new ways and to solve new puzzles. There are also 4th wall breaking puzzles and stuff like that.

 

When I first looked at Fez I though it looked "cute" and seemed like a fun platformer. But when I had finished it the first time I have to say I was kind of blown away and was thinking that Phil Fish has obviously spent more time on making the world of Fez than most people do on their games. And there are sooooo many little details in the game that come back and mean new things as you progress.

 

It's kind of like the insanity effects in Eternal Darkness, or the Psycho Mantis fight in MGS.

 

Now I can understand that this is not everyones cup of tea, but it is a significantly deeper game than it first lets on. Personally I love the type of experiences (in games, movies or books) where you get a feeling that everything is a giant puzzle and nothing in the world is random or arbitrary.

 

Also, "Compare your life to me, and then kill yourself." is a quote from Bender in Futurama. Kind of harsh, but obviously a joke. And I'd much rather people like Marcus Beer quit the internet than people like Fish.



#29 testudo   CAGERY! CAGiversary!   130 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

The title of this episode should have been "Major A$$hole"



#30 gaypunk   Omni-Gellin CAGiversary!   144 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:59 PM

Seriously? You don't know what Heteronormativity \ Heteronormalcy means? You know what it means. It means the assumption of heterosexuality, or heterosexuality being the only sexuality represented. 

 

Different, but not that different than being a person of color, and being annoyed when you are never represented, or only represented as a criminal in games. Or being a woman and struggling to find a game where you are the lead.

 

Saints Row in the past though, has given you some options. I would take aim at a game like Lollipop Chainsaw. Giant pos that was. 

 

I was scared we were getting into rough territory again, haha, but you guys handled yourself ok. As long as Cheepy doesn't do his Mexican accent, I'm usually ok. Ugh.

Love you guys though, you ignorant douche bags. (Said with love)