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Sounds about right, and sounds fair as well. People seem to want to do what they want to do when they want to do it with no clearance or permission or anything. Things don't always work that way, and when it doesn't it's not always someone's "Free speech" being trampled upon.The administrator then said she would need a photo of his ID, and he would need to read the guidelines and procedures. “We’re not telling you you can’t, you just need to follow the guidelines,” the administrator says.
Get the outta here with this bullshit. I swear people don't even know what Free Speech even means anymore. They think it means they can do anything they want, say anything they want, and if anyone says boo, "HEY! STOP INFRINGING MY FREE SPEECH!"FIRE’s letter told Stearns that the college’s actions are unconstitutional.
“To be clear: MJC’s requirement that students request permission to distribute printed materials on campus is unconstitutional. Its requirement that such requests be submitted a minimum of five business days in advance is unconstitutional. Finally, its exile of all approved campus expression to a single small area of the campus is unconstitutional,” the letter stated.
Hahahahahahahhaahahaa...yeah, thinking that you can hand out free copies of the Constitution on Constitution Day at a "community" college that you are paying to go to makes you a self important entitled asshole. Its also funny as crap that Modesto's mission statement includes the desire to "promote civic engagement." Just be sure to fill out the proper forms in triplicate.Ha! This is terrible PR also. Fox News and the rest are salivating for more liberal, anti Constitution stories. Having a "free speech area" in an institution of higher learning seems crazy too.1.
Sounds about right, and sounds fair as well. People seem to want to do what they want to do when they want to do it with no clearance or permission or anything. Things don't always work that way, and when it doesn't it's not always someone's "Free speech" being trampled upon.
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Get the outta here with this bullshit. I swear people don't even know what Free Speech even means anymore. They think it means they can do anything they want, say anything they want, and if anyone says boo, "HEY! STOP INFRINGING MY FREE SPEECH!"
To those people I say you and your mistaken impression of what Free Speech means.
Unless these people are being LOCKED UP by the state for what they are doing, they are not having their free speech taken away. They don't wanna follow the rules, and think that means they are being infringed upon.
Bunch of self important entitled assholes.
And yet the Republicans are the ones who are supposedly "small government/no government" yet have no problem trying make government laws outlawing what they don't like.Hahahahahahahhaahahaa...yeah, thinking that you can hand out free copies of the Constitution on Constitution Day at a "community" college that you are paying to go to makes you a self important entitled asshole. Its also funny as crap that Modesto's mission statement includes the desire to "promote civic engagement." Just be sure to fill out the proper forms in triplicate.Ha! This is terrible PR also. Fox News and the rest are salivating for more liberal, anti Constitution stories. Having a "free speech area" in an institution of higher learning seems crazy too.
It is weird how many libs are so pro big, controlling gov't, yet show disdain for the document that established our country....Oh wait, the Constitution puts limits and supposed safe guards against big gov't. Nevermind....
Calm down there. Just so you know Egofed is not a die hard republican, the kind you see in congress today. He believes in constitution and personal freedom. If you read any of his previous posts then you would know that.And yet the Republicans are the ones who are supposedly "small government/no government" yet have no problem trying make government laws outlawing what they don't like.
Marriage equality? Let's make a brand new constitutional amendment against it. Forget all that all men are created equal nonsense. How about let's insert religious text into the Pledge of Allegience, even though it wasn't there in the first place. What's that? Constitution says no endorsment/establishment of religion? Nah, that's not how WE interpret it.
Repubs are just as full of shit as the Dems, and in many cases MUCH MUCH MUCH more so.
I agree the optics do not look good if you just look at it on a superficial level without context (which is what Fox News specializes in), but sadly that's how too many people approach things today. "Wait, I can't do what I want anyway I want? FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH! ILLUMINATI! THE PIGS ARE WALKING!"
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Thanks for the support, silk. Indeed there are way too many Repubs who want to force their agenda down our throats with no regard for how our country is SUPPOSED to work. Both parties are generally well meaning, but lack dedication to their sworn oath of upholding the Constitution. Interpreting the document has become insane. Of course some issues have evolved that needed clarification, (ending slavery for example) but the idea of limited gov't has totally gone out the window with such interpretations of things like the Commerce clause. I think most Americans who fought in the Revolutionary War would punch us in the face if they knew that we were allowing the gov't to tell us that we HAD to buy a product from a private business.Calm down there. Just so you know Egofed is not a die hard republican, the kind you see in congress today. He believes in constitution and personal freedom. If you read any of his previous posts then you would know that.
Also you are right that many people today completely misunderstand the 1st amendment but that man was exercising it correctly. First amendment can only be stopped when it infringes upon another man's freedom.
I hear you and understand, but common sense should prevail in these instances. A copy of the Constitution, if indeed that is all that is given away here, is much different than a Bible, Koran, anti abortion propaganda, join Heaven's gate pamphlet.....It should be an unbiased act with the only agenda being making people more aware of our founding document. Does the college have classes that reference and teach about the Constitution in their curriculum?Time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech have been roundly upheld and supported by the Supreme Court (using that exact same verbiage, as well). The reason you have to restrict someone from passing out a constitution in the designated area is because if exceptions are made for some then it is no longer a content neutral restriction on free speech and they'll basically have to let anyone promote anything, anywhere.
Whoever these "constitutional experts" are they clearly haven't gone to law school because this is about as straight forward application of case law in this area as you can get.
tldr: Non-issue
The Supreme Court's test for free speech limitations is as simple as this. If the restriction is content neutral then it will only be subjected to a rational basis test. Meaning the question is whether the restriction is rationally related to a legitimate government purpose (which is very easy for the government to satisfy and rarely means they will be ruled against). Typically, as in this case as well, a restriction based on time, place, and manner (their exact phraseology, as well) which does not take into account the content of the message, will be subjected to the rational basis test.I hear you and understand, but common sense should prevail in these instances. A copy of the Constitution, if indeed that is all that is given away here, is much different than a Bible, Koran, anti abortion propaganda, join Heaven's gate pamphlet.....It should be an unbiased act with the only agenda being making people more aware of our founding document. Does the college have classes that reference and teach about the Constitution in their curriculum?