Apparently these people help flame the conservative right...
They need more benefits. At least thats what some people have been saying around here.
Quote the source of your claim.
I had a long discussion with a few regular members who thought that SNAP benefits were not sufficient. It wasn't that long ago. Msutt and Doh, help me out here.
I ain't familiararized with Bob's puuuuurticular version of brilliant way to stop stupid poors from spending mah moneh. But if you could point me in its general diiiiirection soon, I'd love to talk about it at Church this mornin. Pastor Jeb loves stories like thems.
ing number out loud. And that's with me tilting the table against Snap at every turn to make it look more important. SAY IT OUT LOUD YOU ASSHOLES.Marion Barry got re-elected after getting caught with hookers and blow. Stupid people get to vote just like everybody else. I would like politicians to get elected based on serving their constituency versus harboring dependency. If we didn't have so many bloated programs fostering an ever weakening work ethic in our country, then we wouldn't have any fraud. No program=no fraud. That's my point that you are missing. Total dependency on the gov't while reproducing is not measured by the fraud statistics. It is perfectly legal, and even supported. More moochers equal more votes for whatever party is gonna keep handing out the cash and services. Is there an end point to this plan? We have removed the stigma of living off other people's money and killed the incentive to start small and work your way up.
Not really interested in the circle jerk faux moral equivocation today. That damned brisket is fighting me and I'm a pissed off chef right now. Bitch stalled again at 191.
I would bet so also, but that's a completely unknowable number. I prefer data and ballparks no matter how badly tortured because at least we can do our best to make educated decisions. We're talkin about SNAP. Catch me a little later on tonight when I'm nice and sauced up and talk sweet to me and maybe I'll go on a missive on how government sucks butthole. Because it does, and I say that as a government worker...
I very strongly disagree with your overall conclusion here. Government is inherently problematic, there's no question. But so is private enterprise and every other system we could possibly devise when people become variables in our formula, which they invariably do. The smallest to the largest all have the same problem and have for our entire history as humans beings. Saying that government today is an outlier is crazy town to me. Saying it's even an outlier against anything else just at this point seems absurd to me.
I am, by any measure,As far as gov' inefficiency, I think the fraud numbers you posted prove my point quite well. Private companies eventually catch on when they are being fleeced.
I am also very against corporate welfare, Medicare fraud, and foreign aid. I didn't start this thread, but I think welfare is a more popular topic because it is in most people's faces everyday. We see the welfare queen at the grocery store, not the crooked investment banker.
ing fabulously wealthy. I know it makes me a dick or a liar on the tubes because it helps my argument but it's true. I can't remember the last time I saw someone pay with EBT. Maybe this is the root of our disagreement. Hannibal Lecter says we covet what we see every day. I see rich people doing horrendous shit every single day. I see contractors ripping off the government then pleading ignorance when caught. I see rich people dodging the ever living shit out of their taxes (property tax avoidance is a ing Olympic sport in Texas). I don't see welfare queens because there aren't any in the bubble I live in. I understand why Bob obsesses over it. He works at Walmart and I would ing murder my own children before stepping in one. It makes sense to me that he is driven crazy by it. It would piss me off too.ing sucked.So, then, why try to bring it up? Why try to build this link between the defrauding of the taxpayers (via the Federal Government) by abusing a system that is designed to help people who genuinely need help to the lack of giving the Federal Government more tax money? They're not even in the same ball park.
Do you think it feels different? Do you think someone buying extra chikkens at Walmart on EBT feels different than someone feels when they intentionally hide income?
The difference is also one is something poor people use (and there is a racial element there) and the other is upper middle class.
I bet that sounds really deep and intelligent to someone that doesn't pay gargantuan taxes every year.
Gersh darn up early cause this here brisket ate up all the damn coals. Knew she would. Big sumbitch. Don't tell nobody, but after all them Texans go home (or go to bed, I made Texans and even sleep wif em), I sneak in the kitchen and put the brisket on a kaiser roll with cole slaw. Oh, Nouf Kakalaki, I ain't never had better. Barbeque'in in them beautiful mountains...mmmmm.
Alright, tube foolishness. Lib perspective on something or something because eeeeempathy has been sucked out of them there humanity and now we all preeeeetend to be drooling idiots because it works well on this communcatin medium thang. If that's the case, get rid of the god damn medium I say. But here I am. I wish I could quit ya, tubes. For being so damned good with the crop reports and the weather and Amazon, you sure is a giant piece uh shit.
I ain't familiararized with Bob's puuuuurticular version of brilliant way to stop stupid poors from spending mah moneh. But if you could point me in its general diiiiirection soon, I'd love to talk about it at Church this mornin. Pastor Jeb loves stories like thems.
Anyways gittin on topic however you deeeeefine that I 'spose. When talkin at others, I try tah think uh what a smart person says. That way people think I'm smart and not... well not smart I guess. So I'm thinkin and I say hey, I bet smart person would say them datum would be very good and smart. I mean hell, mah woman has feels and sheeeeet, but I sure as hell ain't lettin her driiiiiiive mah truck when she's thinkin with her feels. Wimmim and lip wrist types go by feels. Lotta wimmin in here thinking with feels on a vidya internet board. Good I 'spose. More tyyyyyyyyyyphes of people playin the vidyas means more money and more game type 'speriences. Which reminds me I gotta play World Ends With You. Funny lookin mechanic and you know them asiatics got them weird stories. Prolly tentacles somewhere.
But out here where them storms roll in low and a man gotta work fer his food and we ain't got no tentacles, we use data like a thinkin man.
Snap. I ain't paaaaaaaarticularly partial to people stealin from Snap. It just ain't right. And that's bout the long n short uh that.
..but them the part of me that says hey pretend tuh be a smart person, a smart person could do better. And I wonder like how then? And then that part says well Mr. Fancy Pants wants to be treated like them smart type adults with them tweed jackets, then he best begin by flippin tuh page 5 on this here peeedeeeefffff.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ORA/menu/Published/SNAP/FILES/ProgramIntegrity/Trafficking2009.pdf
And then it says as you can see here, 1.3% of Snap is trafficked for an estimated total of $858 million annually. Assuming there's more fraud than detected (we'll add an additional 15%, a reasonably round number for an uneducated guess), we'll make it an even billion dollars.
So we got here a billion dollars in Snap fraud. Burns me up. But we also have limited enforcement dollars for the whole of government. It ain't like we can just grow government with as many fraud detectors and employees as we want. Turns out each party disapproves of detecting fraud if it's the kind of fraud they like. So with limited resources, it makes best sense to look at where the biggest fraud is and therefore get the best ROI on our fraud detection dollar.
Tax evasion appears to go from $300 billion to $500 billion annually. We'll use the lowest possible number (so the bullshitting no data wimmins-with-feels don't start crying all over their keyboards) then shave another 15% off, which means tax evasion costs America $250 billion annually. A quarter of a trillion dollars. Every year. Whether Walmart is accidentally putting a chicken in every pot or not.
Total tally:
$1 B - Snap fraud
$250B - Tax fraud
Darrell Issa says there's $125B in Medicare fraud. Politifact says the number is closer to $50B and even that can't be verified. So we'll cut $50B in half and be reasonable sure we're waaaaaaaaaaaay underneath.
Total tally:
$1 B - Snap fraud
$250B - Tax fraud
$25 B - Medicare fraud
The DOD says it lost $1.1B to fraud just in relation to money transfers relating to soldiers only. No contractors. Just soldiers. Page 14.
http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654534.pdf
$1 B - Snap fraud
$250 B - Tax fraud
$25 B - Medicare fraud
$1.1 B -Soldier fraud
The DOD also says it lost a trillion dollars to contractor fraud over the last decade. Cover letter here: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/102011%20-%20DOD%20Fraud%20Report.pdf
Table here: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/102011-Combined_DOD_Fraud_Tables.pdf
$1 B - Snap fraud
$250 B - Tax fraud
$25 B - Medicare fraud
$1.1 B - Soldier fraud
$100 B - DOD contractor fraud
Rearranged for her pleasure:
$250 B - Tax fraud
$100 B - DOD contractor fraud
$25 B - Medicare fraud
$1.1 B - Soldier fraud
$1 B - Snap fraud
Of these 5 categories of fraud (randomly selected ones I knew would be big), Snap fraud accounts for 0.002% of the total fraud by dollar amount. Say that
This is why we can't have nice things. Chickens at Walmart. Small ball stupidity at its finest. Jamie Dimon just shit out a $13B fine Friday and we're "worrying" about a bil.
GOD DAMN POORS TAKKIN ALL MAH FRYIN CHIKKINS WHERES THE OUTRAGE YOU STUPID LIBRULS
Gosh dern brisket ain't breakin through the stall. Needs'a hurry up. Some of ya'll like to crutch to get through it. Some also drink tea and care about upvotes. I ain't doin none of that. Upvotes and crutches and tea is fer wimmin with feels. The brisket will hit 197 as God intended. Low n slow.
Disinhibition, self-absorbed, meanness, total lack of empathy. That person is a textbook psychopath.
Her welfare status doesn't affect her callousness. Ask yourself this, if that video was exactly the same minus her mentioning the welfare check, would she be any less of a bad person? No, she'd still be a heartless, cold person with no regard for her nephews' well being.
Why would you judge all people by someone else's actions? The point is that there are people living off of gov't assistance who are raising the next generation to take their place. They are not teaching good values and work ethics to their offspring, and, even worse, are bitches and bastards to their kids. All on the tax payer dime. Its made even worse by the fact that being an unwed mother pays even better. Cyclical destruction of the core family unit courtesy of your friendly gov't.
You tell me, you're the one advocating for complete revocation of government assistance because there are a few who are abusing it.
I proposed keeping the system but putting in place a way of preventing reproduction while on it.
Preventing reproduction isn't reasonable though. There's no way to effective way to enforce it short of becoming like China where any children beyond the first are essentially forced out. Is that really the freedom you hold so dearly?
Let's pretend for a second that you're not insane... such a policy would be so expensive to enforce that we might as well just pay people to stop having children. Then there's the whole problem with not having fodder for the workforce/consumer base... the economy actually benefits more from the poor than it does from the rich.
You invented a problem, then solved it with an oppressive and authoritarian policy... while being against big government? You belong in congress my friend.
Only if you're a delusional, irrational racist conservative...
Would you apply that to Obamacare?
It would depend on your ability to comprehend what you're reading and do math.
Depends on how you want to relate that to the link that egofed posted. As in having something specific and not your usual general disdain that tangents into something even more generalized. I'm guessing you don't have anything so I'm going to save you the effort and say no because I will only talk about what's in the link.
