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CAGcast #342: is Not PS4 Compatible

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#31 usickenme   I'm the a-hole CAGiversary!   2559 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:23 AM

Microsoft has never changed their vision of the Xbox One being an all-in-one entertainment device. Policies have shifted, the vision has not.

As you have stated, Sony has a "short-sighted" vision. It's the way their company has always operated. It's a culture thing.

 

I am sure you are all reasonable people but you too often come off as microsoft apologists,,,



#32 Gregalor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5172 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:46 AM

Man, for as much as Cheapy tells Tai stories on the show, he sure wanted to usher the conversation away from Shipwreck's newborn ASAP.



#33 Ryan950  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:20 AM

Great show guys, good to have the whole gang back together.

 

I just finished Arkham Origins last night.  I had a really good time with it, even if there might be some glitches/issues. 



#34 Kezmer   Disgruntled Gamer CAGiversary!   681 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

I just don't think we can judge these console's until they are actually out. I know it's close but we still have no clue what they actually do or are like. I have not pre ordered either of them. I am taking a wait and see approach to it and actually there are no launch games I am even remotely interested in playing that I cannot play on my current gen console.



#35 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1059 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 01:33 PM

With all this resolution talk, I want to know how close people sit to big TVs when playing games?  I am about 11 feet away from my 50".  At that distance on that size TV, I don't think the 1080p vs 720p debate even matters.  Distance from your TV matters, not just the resolution.  If you sit right next to it like a computer monitor, then the resolution matters much more since your eyes can actually discern the change in resolution.  Also, has anyone seen a 4K tv and compared it to a 1080p set and been able to tell the difference if you are not super close?

 

Here is a article about this with a nice graph:

 

http://carltonbale.c...0p-does-matter/

 

I used something similar when picking out my TV, but turned out that I just purchased the max size that would fit in a particular spot on my wall.

 

Native 1080p versus 720p is a lot more noticeable on games than on movies or TV shows.



#36 zebwinz   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   133 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

As someone who is buying both new systems, I've just pre-ordered BF4 for Xbox One. Resolution is important but in games, many other factors can come in to play. Here are a few of my reasons for going X1:

 

Network - Xbox Live has always been better/more reliable for online games. Add the asynchronous match making where I can be playing or watching something else while searching for a BF4 match, and the X1 version wins out.

Community - I'm not only factoring in existing friends. I think Microsoft's matchmaking system for Xbox One has a ton of potential to keep from playing with griefers.

Kinect - There are options for head tracking, lean tracking, and voice commands using Kinect. I haven't seen anything about the PS Camera being implemented. 

Controller - I'm an asymmetrical stick shooter guy for one. Also, I play inverted and the 360's universal control setup made playing lots of different games very easy for me.



#37 Erad30   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2320 Posts   Joined 9.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:21 PM

I really don't think the no mp3s/cd at launch is a huge deal, Granted, no one is going to pay for that stupid Sony music service, but I would be surprised if it isn't patched in within a year.



#38 KingWulfgar   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   49 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:31 PM

Song at beginning is real familiar. What is that from?

 

Sirius by The Alan Parsons Project. It's been used in TONS of stuff including Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, the 90's Chicago Bulls introducing their starting lineup, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (which I assume is why Cheapy used it this week).

 

http://en.wikipedia....m)#.22Sirius.22

 

Great little instrumental.



#39 Wombat   CAGcast or nothin CAGiversary!   2365 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:36 PM

Sirius by The Alan Parsons Project. It's been used in TONS of stuff including Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, the 90's Chicago Bulls introducing their starting lineup, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (which I assume is why Cheapy used it this week).

 

http://en.wikipedia....m)#.22Sirius.22

 

Great little instrumental.

 

It's also leads in nicely into "Eye in the Sky", which is my jam.



#40 blueArcana   Back on my beat CAGiversary!   1013 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 08:41 PM

I'm still holding out hope for Golden Iguana to show up on Arrow. :rofl:



#41 meager   mooseknuckle? CAGiversary!   210 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 09:38 PM

Disappointed to hear Ship's lack of interest in Knack. I thought he'd be the one looking out for quieter adventure games, reminiscent of something like Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom. Kameo was my favorite launch title of the last gen, and I have high hopes for this original IP.



#42 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3778 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

Sirius by The Alan Parsons Project. It's been used in TONS of stuff including Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs, the 90's Chicago Bulls introducing their starting lineup, and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (which I assume is why Cheapy used it this week).

 

http://en.wikipedia....m)#.22Sirius.22

 

Great little instrumental.

Thanks. That was bugging the heck out of me. LOL



#43 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17757 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:36 PM

Man, for as much as Cheapy tells Tai stories on the show, he sure wanted to usher the conversation away from Shipwreck's newborn ASAP.


No, I wanted to steer the conversation away from Wombat's kids.

#44 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7576 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:54 PM

Disappointed to hear Ship's lack of interest in Knack. I thought he'd be the one looking out for quieter adventure games, reminiscent of something like Majin and the Forsaken Kingdom. Kameo was my favorite launch title of the last gen, and I have high hopes for this original IP.


I like games like that. Everything about Knack makes me cringe though.

#45 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3778 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 12:15 AM

I like games like that. Everything about Knack makes me cringe though.

What exactly? Why?



#46 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7576 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:18 AM

What exactly? Why?


The art style does not appeal to me and the voice acting and dialogue in the videos I've seen make me think I will not enjoy the story. The gameplay does remind me a little of Kameo mixed with Ratchet & Clank, but I have played a lot of these kinds of games and this one just looks like I could pass.

#47 codenamelenny   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   200 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:19 AM

Good show. End of Comment.



#48 lowgear26   Marriage Kills CAGiversary!   513 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

I find it amazing that most people sill give Sony a pass for overselling the features on their console....AGAIN......and attack Microsoft for essentially doing the same thing when it comes down to it. 

 

Sony misleads the public on how much the PS4 can do, then pulls the rug out from everyone while Microsoft gets attacked for being anti-consumer and then actually gives people what they want and still are regarded as being evil. 

 

Also, I looked at the comparison videos of Battlefield 4 and really dont think one system looked better than the other. The Xbox looked brighter and more appealing overall while the PS4 looked better in the distance rendering items. 



#49 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1059 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 02 November 2013 - 09:10 PM

What did Sony mislead the public about?

 

Microsoft are not giving us the ability to store and play mp3s on the Xbone, either.

 

http://www.polygon.c...yback-microsoft

 

 

Also, I looked at the comparison videos of Battlefield 4 and really dont think one system looked better than the other.

 

But people who went to the BF4 event and saw the two versions running in person, not on a compressed youtube stream, did.

 

http://www.eurogamer...ate-the-fallout

 

At last week's Battlefield 4 review event in Stockholm, we noted that the resolution change from one version to the next was obvious to many of the press in attendance, with some even suggesting on-site that the PS4 version was operating at native 1080p when its actual resolution was 1600x900. Battlefield 4 is a beautiful game generally, but if it has one Achilles' heel common to both next-gen platforms, it is the pixel-crawl and sub-pixel break-up derived from the post-AA technique. Xbox One has bigger pixels and fewer of them, so naturally the most obtrusive element of the presentation is more of an issue when displayed on the same screen.

 



#50 lowgear26   Marriage Kills CAGiversary!   513 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:04 AM

I can stream my music and videos on the Xbox.........I always have been able to do this. It's actually a vital thing to be able to do in my house.

 

Yes the stream at home is different than the live event so my comparison is only based on that but it still looks fine to me..........thats the point. Not all of us are freaking out over a launch game on a new console looking perfect.

 

What did Sony mislead the public about? Look at the last 2 console launches and then come back here to ask. Killzone video....HA

 

The last point, I see some journalists giving serious concerns because Sony refuses to show their console openly and its raising red flags. To me, I see both consoles having issues from the start and in the end, they will be virtually identical in most ways so why have biggest cock contests anyway?



#51 Kb-smoker   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   17 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:37 AM

as someone that been listening to the podcast for many years and dont really comment too much.

 

I really wish you guys would take a step back from the "console war".  really is taking away the show.   

 

 

 

 i see cheapyd now is going on other podcast to play the xbox fan role alot like luke smith did on on 1upyours.  this just add fuel to the fire.    

 

 

we have new console coming in 2 weeks and instead of being excited about next gen it like we are in a war.

 

still love the show! congrats on the baby shipwreck and glad you enjoy my hometown of charleston!



#52 spid   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   128 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 03 November 2013 - 03:04 PM

I would say Microsoft wants to solve the same issue the Apple TV wanted to solve.  I think Apple TV as a whole is non-starter in terms of the convergence living room device.  The 360 is more successful in terms of solving that issue than the Apple TV.  I agree with the spirit of what Shipwreck said.  I think Microsoft has a broader more consistent of vision of where they see the next generation going.  Sony has made a prettier version of the PS3. 



#53 lowgear26   Marriage Kills CAGiversary!   513 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:45 AM

There is no war among most people......The trolls are very loud and obnoxious though. I will support both consoles but for people that buy the Xbox on day one, they get attacked by those trolls for supporting Microsoft..........oh well, at least I will be playing Forza 5



#54 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3778 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:20 AM

There is no war among most people......The trolls are very loud and obnoxious though. I will support both consoles but for people that buy the Xbox on day one, they get attacked by those trolls for supporting Microsoft..........oh well, at least I will be playing Forza 5

Apparently you don't remember the flack Sony has gotten for numerous things. You are acting like people ONLY pick on MS. I make fun of all the systems when they deserve it (Xbox One before the policy changes).



#55 lowgear26   Marriage Kills CAGiversary!   513 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:21 PM

I'm talking about this launch.....not the past.

 

You are right though as Sony has gotten their share and rightfully so. 



#56 RiPPn  

Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:24 PM

The last point, I see some journalists giving serious concerns because Sony refuses to show their console openly and its raising red flags. To me, I see both consoles having issues from the start and in the end, they will be virtually identical in most ways so why have biggest cock contests anyway?

Yes, Sony needs to deceive people to the last second because in your reality people are stuck with their purchase and returns and refunds don't exist.

 

And these consoles are not virtually identical, one has faster RAM, faster GPU, easier to develop on thanks to technologies like hUMA leveraging GPGPU, and on November 13th the CPU is going to be revealed at an AMD event and it's rumored to be clocked at 2ghz which also means it has the faster CPU.  The PS4 outclasses the bone in almost every way, is $100 cheaper, and also has a stable of first and second party devs unmatched by anyone, yes even Nintendo.  So Xbot keep lying to yourself so you can justify spending an extra $100 for a weak sauce machine and buying in to a company that hasn't put gaming as it's priority since 2009.



#57 Ehker  

Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:37 PM

MS has been misleading so far this generation from the start with "infinite cloud power" to imply servers will add a big graphical boost.

 

Even their damage control from top guys working on the Xbox One like Albert Penello spreading bogus numbers to message boards. I find that so dishonest, and now the latest is Greenberg after someone tells him that 1080p is better than 720p.  What does Greenberg reply? "You realize you will see every game in 1080p as your output right?" Such a weak and dishonest counter to imply it's all going to be 1080p anyway.



#58 lowgear26   Marriage Kills CAGiversary!   513 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 06:47 PM

Yes, Sony needs to deceive people to the last second because in your reality people are stuck with their purchase and returns and refunds don't exist.

 

And these consoles are not virtually identical, one has faster RAM, faster GPU, easier to develop on thanks to technologies like hUMA leveraging GPGPU, and on November 13th the CPU is going to be revealed at an AMD even and it's rumored to be clocked at 2ghz which also means it has the faster CPU.  The PS4 outclasses the bone in almost every way, is $100 cheaper, and also has a stable of first and second party devs unmatched by anyone, yes even Nintendo.  So Xbot keep lying to yourself so you can justify spending an extra $100 for a weak sauce machine and buying in to a company that hasn't put gaming as it's priority since 2009.

 

you try to sound smart....yet I somehow have this feeling that you are not. 

 

I've seen enough consoles to know the most powerful one doesnt mean the best one. I don't expect people that just bash the Xbox to understand but whatever.

 

It was cute at first, now its just annoying, I hope you people are going to be all over the PS4 online servers so I know not to go there. 



#59 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2455 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:33 PM

What did Sony mislead the public about? Look at the last 2 console launches and then come back here to ask. Killzone video....HA

 

So your argument about them misleading the public on the PS4 is a video from 10 years ago.

 

You try to sound smart...yet I somehow have this feeling that you are not.



#60 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3778 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:38 PM

I'm talking about this launch.....not the past.

 

You are right though as Sony has gotten their share and rightfully so. 

 

I didn't know the past was off the table.

 

What did Sony mislead the public about? Look at the last 2 console launches and then come back here to ask. Killzone video....HA