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#61 ditchell   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   10 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

ditchell

Posted 09 November 2013 - 02:02 PM

Thank God you are the voice for those poor people who didn't get a free game, Wombat. The poor, the weak, silent mass of people. You alone feel their pain, and you alone have the power to correct this wrong! How DARE Microsoft not provide you with Killer Instinct! They should give copies to everyone on the planet, and on the title screen it should say "Wombat's altruism and selfless bitching made this possible". 

 

sigh.

 

I've probably been listening to the CAGCast for...4 years? 5? I don't think I've ever gotten this exasperated listening to you as I did this week. I'd like to think this was some sort of elaborate troll and you realize how ridiculous and brazenly self-serving your complaint is.

 

In fact, that's what I'm going to continue to believe. No need to correct me. Keep up the good work. 



#62 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 09 November 2013 - 02:50 PM


shill


SHil/



  • 1.



    an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.




  • a person who pretends to give an impartial endorsement of something in which they themselves have an interest.

    We are not in business with Microsoft, nor do we have a financial interest. We have opinions that differ from yours. That doesn't make us shills, it makes us people.



1. Cheapy has stated in the past to owning MS stock, so he kind of does have a financial interest in MS which in turn would make him a shill. He wrote something to defend MS, something that I only saw one other website during that time do and it wasn't as long nor did a MS spokesperson (Major Neslson) was so happy with that he responded. Not to mention a shill is only effective if no one knows they have a stake in the product or service.

2. You have just proven my point Wombat, out of everything I wrote you nit pick a word that I used which was stated by YOU guys on the podcast. Once again, instead of having a meaningful discussion and in this case someone with a different perspective, you (Cag crew) look for a quick, meaningless, juvenile jab and the pretend that anyone who speaks up is simply a Sony nut, good job Wombat.

Yes, it is my opinion that the Xbox 360 was the superior console for at least the first half of this generation. I think we've all be pretty clear that is what we believe. We are plenty critical of every company's screw-ups (including Microsoft and Apple), and if you don't recognize that, that's your shortcoming.

When I see someone haphazardly throw around the terms "biased" or "shill" I automatically assume it's them with the bias or perhaps...


Unfortunately you are the one with the shortcoming Cheapy, you may have "touched" on the deficiencies of other companies but the responses have been nowhere near being even handed. This is where the problem is, its not that you don't say anything its that when company A says something you talk 5 min and done but when company B does something less serious, holy hell you guys rant for like 20 mins sometimes. Again this is the problem, its the uneven and clearly biased handling over certain news and as others have stated the "proof" you want are in past Cagcasts, it's not that you may prefer one system over the other.

I work for a pretty big company that I just started in over a month and personally over see a team of 30 people, the first thing I said was that they should tell me about any concerns about my performance as time passes. Why? If one person tells me something then I may just brush it off but if 15 people tell me the same thing then I need to take a step back and see what I'm doing to rectify the situation if my self-awareness is lacking.

#63 GOTA   I'm.... CAGiversary!   195 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

More reviews soon. Been a little busy.

 

Don't get me wrong.  I wasn't criticizing the quantity of reviews.  You have MUCH more important things going on, I have 3 kids 10 and under and can relate.

 

I was just trying to illustrate the point that whether it's an ad or a banner for content that's been up there for a while it's not going to matter for the CAG user.  This is a business and Cheapy needs to do what's best for that business.  I've been coming here since 2005 and not once have I ever changed my viewing habits because of an ad or lack of an ad.    



#64 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17757 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

1.  Cheapy has stated in the past to owning MS stock, so he kind of does have a financial interest in MS which in turn would make him a shill.  He wrote something to defend MS, something that I only saw one other website during that time and it wasn't as long nor did a MS spokesperson (Major Neslson) was so happy with that he responded.  Not to mention a shill is only effective if no one knows they have a stake in the product or service.

 

So I stated that I have a financial interest in Microsoft, but "a shill is only effective if no one knows they have a stake in the product or service."  So the takeaway is I'm not an effective shill?  Of course your point is moot since I've never owned Microsoft stock.

 

I wrote that article because it's what I believed to be true.  Do you think a multi-billion dollar company is actually affected is by something a guy named CheapyD posts on a website called Cheap Ass Gamer? I appreciate that you think I wield so much power in this industry. Thanks for the compliment!



#65 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:35 PM

 



#66 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:46 PM

So I stated that I have a financial interest in Microsoft, but "a shill is only effective if no one knows they have a stake in the product or service."  So the takeaway is I'm not an effective shill?  Of course your point is moot since I've never owned Microsoft stock.

 

I wrote that article because it's what I believed to be true.  Do you think a multi-billion dollar company is actually affected is by something a guy named CheapyD posts on a website called Cheap Ass Gamer? I appreciate that you think I wield so much power in this industry. Thanks for the compliment!

1.     Thank you for the correction on the stock issue.

 

2.     There's a reason for the saying "The pen is mightier than the sword", this is because words can influence people a lot more.  You wrote what was one of just a handful (literally) of articles that was pro-MS during that time and the only one that got a response from MS, so yes that company in particular does listen to you.   Not to mention you got your own likeness in a video game, so you do have some sway, how many people can say that?

 

3.    I am an adult not a Sony nut, I work for a good retail company while I'm getting ready to take my last dental board so I can finally practice as a dentist but I've been a gamer my whole life and have had EVERY system(TB-16,3DO, Atari Jaguar) with the exception of the Neo Geo, my parents are awesome.  I've also had my my preferences towards one system each generation and remember arguing about Sonic vs. Mario, SMS vs NES (when I didn't have a SMS) in grade school but as an adult I'll grade things according to what's good not just for me (games) but for consumers(systems, policies) in general.  

 

I didn't start replying because I "LOVE" Sony (I use a Windows Phone), I replied because you guys continue to fail on accepting that a lot of the criticism is deserved based on past actions and statements.  I love the Cagcast, if I didn't I wouldn't listen to you guys anymore but because I do I feel the need to remind you that criticism is good when actually used.  Using or not using the word shill is irrelevant when the main complaint is based on the uneven handedness of "bad" news from one company vs the other, that is the issue.

 

I would love to continue this discussion but I have to finish reviewing Orthodontics so I can get started on Oral Surgery and then off to my job.  This time next week I'll be enjoying my PS4 with 4 games and debating on getting an X1 before a $100 price drop.  This is an awesome time to be a gamer and everyone enjoy your new systems to come!

 

P.S. I hope Elop does get the CEO position and sell off the Xbox brand, personally I'd trust the brand a whole lot more than being under MS.



#67 Poorleno   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   159 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Poorleno

Posted 09 November 2013 - 03:55 PM

Some people are taking the hosts of CAGcast too seriously. I love listening to them but if you're tired of listening to Cheapy's supposed Microsoft shill speak then stop listening. He's not forcing you to listen to a podcast in order to have access to the website, and then quizzing you over the show to make sure you've listened. If there's a requirement to own M-Soft stock and be apart of CAG let me know, failing that requirement.

It's also okay to disagree with opinions. You can post in the show thread to share your opinion, hopefully you put some actual effort in them so a dialogue can be started. I don't get the whole calling people shills or morons at all. How does that solve anything?

If Wombat wants to voice his opinion then he should be able to voice his opinion. Last I checked most countries are okay with people starting podcasts, or being apart of them, to voice their opinions. If you disagree with his opinion then make a well thought out comment as to why you think he's wrong. That's all you've got to do.

To the people who actually post well thought out comments thank you.



#68 Bezerker   Bezerker Barrage! CAGiversary!   7017 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

My $ is on Wombat being on a Xbox blacklist due to all the Evil Dead/State of Emergency stuff. 



#69 codenamelenny   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   200 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

codenamelenny

Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:27 PM

After thinking about it, wombat's complaints were warranted. But I think Microsoft should give out Killer Instinct to everyone with gold. It might sway people who were on the fence on which console if they get an email saying they have a free game and it will also get more people to play the game. Then release more characters to make money. I know they are giving out a free version but one character isn't enough for someone to keep playing it.



#70 S0LIDARITY   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   50 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

S0LIDARITY

Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:59 PM

A few thoughts

 

1. It's absurd to me that anyone thinks that Cheapy, Wombat, or Shipwreck are shills for anything. I don't recall Nike Fuel users ranting and raving when the show briefly turned into the unofficial Fitbit podcast. To me, it's obvious that the hosts, like many others, had a better experience with the 360 than the PS3 for a variety of reasons. I don't perceive a bias in the PS4/X1 coverage, especially given that nearly every discussion ends with 'we haven't seen/used any of it in person, our speculation doesn't matter much until we have our hands on the PS4/X1.' 

 

2. I like unobtrusive ads, I'll be glad to see them return to CAG.

 

3.  I agree with Cheapy about the Killer Instinct giveaway. There's a negative correlation between the number of people complaining about not getting a handout and the likelihood of Microsoft doing another random giveaway. I agree with Wombat that Microsoft should have had an explanation about why certain individuals were selected. I think he got too worked up over it though. 

4. Someone mentioned that the PS4 has only been available to the Press/Industry insiders. I got to play Dive Kick at Pax Prime on PS4 and hold no special privilege in the gaming world. I just waited in line for a few minutes, there were other games available for longer waits.

 

5. The articles/reviews cycled at the top of the homepage are pretty stale. Maybe you could supplement that content with some community features. I would be happy to see popular blog posts or a weekly deals round-up thrown in there.

 

Good show as always guys.



#71 zebwinz   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   133 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:14 PM

Cheapy, is there a central way that we can support CAG by buying affiliate items or something like that? Should I search on CAG for specific games and follow the buy links that way, or is there a central portal/web address I can go to?

 

I've gotten years of enjoyment from the podcast and the website. You three (and Mrs. Shipwreck too back in the day) put on a wonderful show that always brings a smile to my face. Thanks for everything!



#72 JadedJedi   Wombat Fan CAGiversary!   167 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

JadedJedi

Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:05 PM

I know exactly where you are coming from Wombat, I have been on xbox live for at least 10 years and my gamerscore is over 58,000, yet I didn't get a free Killer Instinct. I wonder if it has anything to do with being on a PlayStation podcast? http://playstationcr...gory/crowdcast/



#73 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2455 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

4thHorseman

Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:33 PM

Killer Instinct would have made a great xbox gold for games promotion (or whatever its called). Not sure why if they are willing to give it out free to some, they just dont do it for everyone. Would be a big game for that promotion. Guess they would rather give out the original Dead Rising instead or something else in that line of old games.

#74 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2455 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

4thHorseman

Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:40 PM

Some people are taking the hosts of CAGcast too seriously. I love listening to them but if you're tired of listening to Cheapy's supposed Microsoft shill speak then stop listening. He's not forcing you to listen to a podcast in order to have access to the website, and then quizzing you over the show to make sure you've listened. If there's a requirement to own M-Soft stock and be apart of CAG let me know, failing that requirement.

It's also okay to disagree with opinions. You can post in the show thread to share your opinion, hopefully you put some actual effort in them so a dialogue can be started. I don't get the whole calling people shills or morons at all. How does that solve anything?

If Wombat wants to voice his opinion then he should be able to voice his opinion. Last I checked most countries are okay with people starting podcasts, or being apart of them, to voice their opinions. If you disagree with his opinion then make a well thought out comment as to why you think he's wrong. That's all you've got to do.

To the people who actually post well thought out comments thank you.


Im pretty critical of them, but I still love the guys. I stopped following Cheapy and Ship on Twitter because of the Xbox defending/PS ribbing I always see on there. It gets pretty bad, almost as bad as the people Cheapy talked about on the show.

#75 Poorleno   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   159 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Poorleno

Posted 09 November 2013 - 08:24 PM

Im pretty critical of them, but I still love the guys. I stopped following Cheapy and Ship on Twitter because of the Xbox defending/PS ribbing I always see on there. It gets pretty bad, almost as bad as the people Cheapy talked about on the show.

It is what it is, they have their console of choice and at least it seems that they have reasons for why they enjoy it. I just don't understand why some people go to the extreme when arguing about consoles or gaming in general. I'd rather have pleasant conversations. I also don't take to heart what they say about everything. Everyone has different opinions and are entitled to them. Some people have enjoyed the C&C games made after Generals, I personally think you could pitch them all into deepest ocean trench and nothing of value would be lost. But, I don't go and tell the game developers their a piece of crap or anything. They made a game they're proud of and nothing is wrong with that. Same thing happened with the Stronghold series, but it looks like they're returning to their roots so I've very excited to play the new game.

I've got too much other stuff to worry about what that I don't really care if someone on a podcast has a different opinion than me or a game is kind of crappy. If you don't like it then avoid it, which is what you did.

 



#76 Ehker  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:00 PM

Just got back from Target in San Diego. Empty Xbox One section, no PS4 section with less than a week to go. Had DS4 controllers though.

 

I can see people buying those thinking they're PS3 controllers because there is no PS4 logo on the packaging.



#77 desz   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   95 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

Wombat, I'm becoming a little curious about your microphone situation. Could it be the USB cable that connects your mic to your laptop? Because you were getting the same distortion issues during a few parts of this show. Change your USB cable to see if that fixes the issue. Your macbook may be ok. 



#78 usickenme   I'm the a-hole CAGiversary!   2559 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

usickenme

Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:09 PM

if 200 people tell you that you're fat, you might actually be fat but I guess it's easier to think they all need glasses



#79 nobodysleeps   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   22 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

nobodysleeps

Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

I think Microsoft is doing the right thing in pimping out the xb1 aggressively right now. You turn on your 360 and you are bombarded with ads for the One. When I turn on my PS3 I just get my xmb with no advertising unless I choose to go over to the store section. As a current GameStop employee I have to say that we got in our xbox1 unit on Thursday, but it is just a shell unit with a memory stick Inside the tv playing Xbox 1 trailers. Microsoft isn't giving is demo u it's until after launch. Our ps4 demo kiosk should be coming in next week and that is really exciting. I hate the the disservice Microsoft did for the xb1 earlier this year because it is shaping to be an awesome product. Whatever you buy you will be happy. I am buying a ps4 and I am super pumped and I can't wait to be able to get an Xbox 1

#80 BlueRock   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   91 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

BlueRock

Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:02 AM

Shipwreck gave a strong pointer to a part of the problem right there after the question and Cheapy just skips right past it.

 

The CAGcast is pretty pro-Xbox. That puts PlayStation fans on edge.

 

And calling out PS fans as being childish seems crazy given the episode with Wombat being Xbox gamer of the week and getting Xbox "fans" crapping all over him to a level that it becomes gaming news. There are babies on both sides, Sony didn't corner the market.

 

Now, as to why PS fanbois are aggressive right now, it's probably because they finally have some ammunition. People slagged the PS3 for years, with crummy ports and such and what's a PlayStation fan to do? It's hard to argue the point when someone says the PS3 version of Bayonetta is junk. So the PS fans are all raring to go and when they finally have some ammo, they're letting loose.

 

In addition, I think the PS people see a crack in the defenses and now want to put a heavy offensive on. When PSN went down for a month, did the MS fanbois hold back or did they go on the offensive? Well, now that MS is stumbling, things are just reversed.

 

And I think one thing that's feeding the fire is CheapyD being so aggressively dismissive of the spec difference between PS4 and XBOne. He says that does it really matter, don't you want to see the games first? Well Cheapy, let me ask you. How many times have you said you'd be getting the PCPCPC version of a game because it'll look better? Did you wait to play it yourself first? Or did you assume that better hardware means the game will look better? You assumed the PC version would look better. Now, when there is a measurable difference between XBox and PS4, you just say, well, don't read too much into it, there's more to the story.

 

So PS fanbois see Cheapy as a leader in the group being dismissive of the PS4 advantage and they begin to call out Cheapy for it. Is it the right thing to do? No. But that's what's happening, and it might be somewhat less of a blowup if Cheapy weren't so vocal about wanting to use the machine with better hardware (PCPCPC) when making his own buying decisions.

 

And finally, the reason Cheapy can slag Kinect and not get much of a response is because motion gamers don't represent the hardcore "in your face" type of fanboi that likes to get into internet arguments. Not on Xbox, not on PS3. If Cheapy slagged PSEye, do you think he'd get a lot of kickback from PS fans? Not hardly.

 

I've learned to live with the Xbox leaning of the CAGcast, it's not entirely without reason. But please, going forward, at least try to understand that that is part of the reason you see an opposition from the PS fanbois.

 

And on other news, my local Target has had PS4 presence for weeks. It's just set of pegs for games (not the preorder cards) with the PS4 placard behind it. It was stocked with PS3 games for a long time, but surely it has some PS4 ones now. There's no endcap, but then again there's no XBOne endcap either. Although the XBOne games rack is more visible than the PS4 one by any measure. I'm not sure why this is.

 

For the record, I don't think Cheapy is some kind of shill because he owns MS stock.



#81 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1059 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:09 AM

Im pretty critical of them, but I still love the guys. I stopped following Cheapy and Ship on Twitter because of the Xbox defending/PS ribbing I always see on there. It gets pretty bad, almost as bad as the people Cheapy talked about on the show.

 

Did you unfollow them before Cheapy got all mad and defensive on twitter about the "This Is Your Next Console" Edge cover?

 

I had to laugh when Cheapy started complaining about the people on twitter with nothing better to do than post negative comments about Microsoft.  I still remember him going on twitter entirely unsolicited to announce that anyone who prefers Gran Turismo 5 to Forza 4 is a Sony fanboy.



#82 Kazaganthi   Blue Rogue CAGiversary!   1947 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:19 AM

At least you have your $0.20 in Microsoft Points that will expire soon.

 

Also, I know why they are giving a select few Killer Instinct characters. Just imagine at launch and moving forward once more people adopt XB1 and download their "free" demo. It'll be all Jago nearly every match, with millions having the free version and only thousands with the paid version. How would you feel if you paid $20, $40 (or $80 since Season 2 was all but announced already) to only fight against random Jagos every match? That's not Killer Instinct, that's Killer Jago.

 

Love the show, keep up the podcast! 10 more years and an iphone app.



#83 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

4nik8tor

Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:03 AM

I just checked my email and I also got Killer Instinct for free.. and I don't even have a gold membership.



#84 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17757 Posts   Joined 16.3 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:30 AM

I can't win!








I take it all back. Everyone is horrible, including me.



#85 BlueRock   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   91 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

BlueRock

Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:38 AM

No, you can't win. There are jackasses on both sides. Which is why your rant is so strange.

 

If you troll either side, even a little, you'll get people making angry replies. Some even made up out of whole cloth. Some even nonsensical.

 

Best not to poke the beehive(s).



#86 imogul   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   4 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:55 AM

I love Wombat on the cagcast. Although it didn't happen on this weeks show whenever he makes a bad pun and there's just awkward silence for a few seconds; for some reason thats the funniest thing in the world to me.

But the whole thing about complaining that Ship won something, all I can say is - "Waaa, I didn't get a gift for doing nothing. Waaa."

However I do agree with Wombat about putting the ads back up. I don't think anyone really cares and I never found the old ads to be annoying. Really who is going to blame you for trying to make a living at your job?

#87 danchilders   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   96 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

danchilders

Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:24 PM

I am a PC gamer and don't really have a dog in this fight, but I have to say, I think it's kind annoying that after you guys took a very apathetic laid back "none of this shit matters" about basically every PR mistep of MS on the lead up to the Xbox One (it literally almost became a weekly catch phrase), you guys then chose to make a big deal out of what some fucking random idiots say online as if they are representative of Sony fans.

 

People say stupid shit online about everything online.  Sports fans fucking turn over cars and riot when their teams win and when their teams lose.  I don't know how this is remotely relevant to the discussion of the next gen consoles.   Talking about what what random dumb shit people say on the internet is dumb and taking it as a representative is even dumber.

 

I'm not buying either of these consoles at launch.  But when one is $100 cheaper and has better hardware and you want to label people who think that system is the clear better buy "fan boys," blow them off, and rope them in with random idiots online who say stupid shit, I think they have good reason to be annoyed.  Especially on a site called "Cheapassgamer" that is supposedly about value for your gaming dollar.  Again, I'm happy with my PC and Steam but it seems clear even to me that there is not parity between these two offerings.  In your guys world, I guess that puts me in the same category as crazy people who rant about random bullshit online even though I'm not buying a PS4 and have no intention of doing so anytime soon.  Weird.



#88 Bezerker   Bezerker Barrage! CAGiversary!   7017 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 04:46 PM

However I do agree with Wombat about putting the ads back up. I don't think anyone really cares and I never found the old ads to be annoying. Really who is going to blame you for trying to make a living at your job?

 

Seconded. I also would still support the Premium member thing that was done as an April fools joke a few years back.



#89 Thomas96   I am Thomaticus! CAGiversary!   6075 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Thomas96

Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:25 PM

I saw the "Shill" definition that Wombat posted... I did a search of my own and these two links came up:

 

http://www.cheapassg...ox-one-article/

 

http://www.cheapassg...e-xbox-one-bro/



#90 spid   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   128 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:35 PM

It is odd to get so put out about not getting a game that every one who owns an Xbox One will be getting for free anyway.

 

I will mostly agree with Wombat about the use of Major Nelson.  I do think he would be better served staying home doing videos and his regular podcast.  Where Wombat is wrong is he confusing the the van tour with what Major Nelson is doing.  They may intersect but the van tour is a separate thing.  Microsoft Studios has been doing at least one weekly stream showcasing their game for about a month.  The fact you may not know about could prove your point that Major Nelson should be doing them.  I am not sure why they are not pimping the streams on the 360 dashboard.