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CAGcast #350: Sports Injury Virginity

#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17724 Posts   Joined 16.0 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 06:33 AM

The crew gives thumbs down to Steam Machines, PlayStation Now, and Microsoft's Xbox One decisions, but thumbs up to unnecessary electronics, Max: The Curse of Brotherhood, RYSE, PlayStation Plus and more!

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Show Linkage/Notes:
Intro: Smash Your Head, Girl Tak - Outro: Pee Wee Herman talks Crack

CAG #350

2:30 CheapyD limps into the new year
10:00 Ship's Nighthawk router
14:45 Siberia Elite headphones
16:15 Watch This: Gravity 3D
19:30 Don Juan
22:00 New Releases
22:00 - Dr Luigi
23:30 Playstation Now
35:15 PS4 and XB1 sales; influence of PS+; Wombat goes on a massive rant :D
40:45 Max and the Curse of Brotherhood
42:45 Ryse
46:45 Forza 5, DLC
50:00 Peggle 2
51:00 PDP Kinect mount
53:45 Brothers Tale of Two Sons
55:15 Injustice: Ultimate
58:45 Steam Machine
1:04:30 Trigger Happy Havoc
1:08:45 Cagbag
1:08:45 - Coolest gadget
1:10:00 - Mac pros made in USA
1:10:45 - When is Cheapy moving to USA
1:11:00 - Old consoles/pc's
1:12:15 - Non AAA 2014 titles
1:13:15 - Validity of esports

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I guess you can listen to Wombat's other podcast, Uninformed Opinions.

#2 thrifty1   Delicious Deal Stacker CAGiversary!   204 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:24 AM

Good show.


I agree with wombat. I'm already overloaded with PS Plus and my PS2 and PS3 are fully functional. I'm spending buttloads of time on all the free to play games like Warframe and free plus games. Don't Starve was free today with Plus and it is excellent. Also really liking KZ Shadowfall multiplayer. That said, i'm sure they'll make the service attractive in some way.


Overall I think it's going to be really niche because of the datacaps. It's funny how they can't really squeeze most people with this because the telecom companies are already squeezing us and delaying the infrastructure that make these services possible for a lot of areas. Depends on where you live. 


My thought on the Steam Machines is that it would make sense if they gave you additional deals on games if you bought one of their machines. Because you could get a better deal building a pc yourself. BUT if you have a steam machine and they gave additional discounts on the games then it would be a good deal since they already said they won't have exclusives. Looks like Razer is also attempting to make the pc more mass market with the new modular liquid cooled pcs but they are also sure to be expensive.

#3 Sgt Barone   CAG since 2008 CAGiversary!   2031 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:04 PM

Congrats on #350 guys!  Gonna listen to this on my drive down from Cleveland to Columbus.

#4 BetaDemo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   261 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:09 PM

Playstation Plus is the best deal in gaming.  Period. Steamsales are a close 2nd.  Thanks for the new show fellas!

#5 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7120 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:11 PM

If you read the back of the Lunchables package for the nutritional content, it's pretty nasty. You're better off making a ham sandwich for your children.


Speaking of sandwiches, that tiny red Steam machine one looks like the one I want to get if I wanted one. If I were to get a big sized one it would mean I would have to get rid of the computer I have. I like the computer I have right now, it's from 2008 and I haven't seen many everday programs that require the use of a newer computer, since I still do many function I did 5, 8 years ago. Maybe software has peaked...

#6 jms493   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   113 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:54 PM

Nice Squash!  Im impressed Cheapy!


Wanna see some killer squash - Ramy Ashour (guy is amazing) 2 quick 1 min videos below



#7 LiK   Internet Superstar CAGiversary!   2303 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 02:57 PM

You guys were way too negative about Playstation Now. Not for you guys but everyone else who likes to play games on a whim or rent games will check it out. There are many people who still buy old games to check out if they missed it. I've seen this plenty of times. Even kids like to check out older games these days. ex: FFVII still sells. 


Most people who want to move their older Playstations into storage will sign up just to be able to play PS2/PS3 games on their PS4. This is one option they can use. The main issue is the subscription price and how big their library will be.


Also, I personally think Dead Rising 3 is the best Xbox One exclusive so far. Ryse was great but DR3 is my current fave One exclusive.

#8 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1059 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 03:21 PM

Cheapy was right about The Adventures of Cookies & Cream, but you don't have to wait for PlayStation Now, it's been available to buy on PSN as a PS2 Classic for a couple of months.





My wife and I played it on the PS2 years ago, but it got really hard near the end so we never finished it.

#9 Klattu Barada   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   61 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 04:11 PM

Cheapy... for those moments when you feel like you are going to feint... lie on floor and put your knees up. Helps get the blood back up to your brain and it makes that feeling go away a lot faster. It's also is safer if you actually do feint

#10 joyce_181502   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   69 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 05:01 PM

It's about dang time you guys did another (free) podcast!


I was losing my mind listening to other substandard Internet people's gripes in audio form.

#11 Asparagus P Smell   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 05:05 PM

Cheapy says SteamOS doesn't have many games; it has 250+, with more being released all the time (20 or so were Greenlit just yesterday). I do all my gaming on Linux these days, and my backlog is over 100 games long! How many games did the next-gen consoles launch with? I think SteamOS is starting in quite a strong position, and that's without even considering that you will be able to stream from Windows.


Valve is a billion dollar company as Wombat says, but it's one that is almost entirely dependent on another company. That's not a good position to be in, especially as that company is Microsoft. From Valve's perspective the purpose of SteamOS is clear.


As a consumer I support Valve's Linux endeavors because I support open standards and cross-platform gaming, and I dislike many of the decisions Microsoft have made over the years. Steam itself is a walled-garden store of the type Linux-users typically hate, but I feel it's an acceptable compromise (and the prices are right). Gaming on Linux has already improved infinitely thanks to Valve and the Humble Bundles.


The Steam Machines themselves are a red herring. They are just PCs, as you say, but you're not paying the Microsoft tax when you buy them with SteamOS - and presumably they come with the funky controller.


PC ≠ Windows

#12 usickenme   I'm the a-hole CAGiversary!   2558 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 06:28 PM

You are dopes. There are many reasons to want PS Now or a Nintendo subscription. 


-Getting rid of stuff is a huge plus for me. Who wants a bunch of old consoles hooked up? Who wants a bunch of discs sitting around? (and I have plenty of room in my house).   You are severely overestimating people’s need to have shit lying around.  Anything disc based already has a time limit on it.


-Guaranteed good games…sometimes replaying a game is a better use of time than wasting time on a bad new one. Having a back cat subscription doesn’t mean you can’t play new games, it’s not an either or. Sure time can be a factor but its always is.

-Yeah, it’s completely possible to revisit an old game without playing through it.


-I'm a type a gamer who doesn't need to blow through the latest and greatest at all times. 



The downside is typically digital rights stuff. (ownership, transferability. Etc)



also.. Cheapy..  I hurt my calf last fall. Using a compression sock on the injured calf or Kinesio Tape worked wonders.. 


#13 FellOpenIan   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1246 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:18 PM

My main concern about backwards compatibility is that there is eventually a point at which these companies stop producing old hardware and software. Once my hardware/software fails and I can't replace it with new and official offerings then I'm going to turn to alternatives.

#14 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3649 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:28 PM

I'm not entirely sure about Playstation Now, but I am interested. Being able to play PS3, PS2 and PSOne games on my PS4 is very appealing to me. We really don't know how it works, what games will be available at launch or a price, so that's partly why I'm hesitant. We also don't know what the network requirements will be. 4K Video requires 15mbps (not advertised mbps, actual mbps), which I simply don't have. Onlive only requires 1-2mbps, so I suspect that's probably the more reasonable number for PSNow. 


If PSNow allows me to put in select PS3 games into my PS4 and stream them on PSNow, that would be nice if it actually works. Still, we should know more once the beta launches later this month and have a better idea about the service once it launches in the Summer.




It looks like the recommended network requirements for Playstation Now is actually 5 mbps, which isn't that bad.


#15 MattZack   Virtue for the virtuous, signaling for others. CAGiversary!   1295 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:07 PM

Cheapy, you probably have tennis leg which is a tear of your gastroc.  It is painful, but you should get better.

#16 warmonked   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   28 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:45 PM

I'm one of the target consumers for Playstation Now. I've never had a PS3. I have zero to little interest in getting a PS3, but I might get a PS4. And I would love to be able to play the games I missed out on like Uncharted, Infamous or Journey.

#17 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7576 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:17 PM

There's no telling how big the consumer base is that wants to play PlayStation 3 games, but didn't want to buy a PS3 for the past 7 years, but wants to buy a $400 PS4 and subscribe to a service.

I'm not saying those people don't exist or are wrong, I just think it's chasing a market that's pretty small.

#18 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2454 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  


Posted 08 January 2014 - 10:51 PM

There's no telling how big the consumer base is that wants to play PlayStation 3 games, but didn't want to buy a PS3 for the past 7 years, but wants to buy a $400 PS4 and subscribe to a service.

I'm not saying those people don't exist or are wrong, I just think it's chasing a market that's pretty small.

Or people who want a PS4 for next gen stuff, but also want to still experience games they didn't get around to without hooking up an old system. There's multiple markets for it, and they each may be small enough to be in total a larger market that can make it succeed.


I don't think people are going to buy a PS4 simply for this service, but it's one hell of a plus.

#19 Doomed  

Posted 09 January 2014 - 12:41 AM

[List of announced Steam machines here.]


PC gamer here - Valve is making suckers out of every PC manufacturer that signed on the Steam Machines program. Part of it is the PC companies' fault, but most of the blame lies with Valve.


Who are Steam machines for? Console gamers who don't have a gaming PC. Getting a 360/PS3 owner to switch to a Steam machine rather than a PS4 or Xbox One is critical, since most people don't buy multiple consoles within the span of a year or two.


If Steam machines are trying to win over people who have never done PC gaming before, why is the cheapest one $499? If Microsoft stops shipping Kinect with every Xbox One and drops the price, it would leave these Steam Machines in the cold at the $500 price point. Meanwhile, the consoles that everyone has heard about will be $100 cheaper. Each will have exclusive games you can't get on Windows, let alone a PC running Linux.


People use consoles for the ease of use - they don't need to check system requirements or change graphics settings. The Steam machine program should be addressing those concerns with PC gaming. Instead it's the same old PC gaming with Big Picture mode added on top of it.


There are a lot of great benefits to PC gaming, and Steam machines capitalize on none of them, while leaving most of PC gaming's flaws clearly intact.


edit: Apparently Valve says these first-generation boxes are for PC gamers, not console gamers.


“We have 65 million users with value in Steam accounts, and they want those games – their libraries – in the living room,” claimed SteamOS and Steam Machine designer Kassidy Gerber. “I think part of the value proposition is that we’ll be able to support all those excellent titles in the living room. I think we’ve proven we’re committed to holding onto your library for you.”

#20 Sinfulfate   The Podfather CAGiversary!   1208 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:06 AM

Good show. If Playstation Now lets me play games like Uncharted 4 or Infamous Second Son on my android tablet then it will be awesome but Sony still wants people to buy PS4s so there must be some sort of limitations.  



Playstation Plus is the best deal in gaming.  Period. Steamsales are a close 2nd.  Thanks for the new show fellas!

Gamefly is the best deal in gaming. ~$15 a month and you can rent any retail game on any platform(expect PC) on release day.  I like PS Plus for digital only games but when it comes to retail games gamefly has it beat no question especially if you own more then just playstation consoles.  

#21 ZombieJeebus   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   154 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:05 AM

Great show, as always.



Random thoughts:


- Every time MS has given Wombat something it has been "insulting" (the 25 cents in points) or "too little too late" (old, C tier games for free), or he disagreed with the process (Ship getting KI but not him).  But now giving a discount on LocoCycle, a game most people wouldn't play even for free, is something they should do to help him feel better about his console?  Ok....


- Steam machines not having Windows OS isn't a big deal.  No one complains they can't open a spreadsheet on their PS3.  If they can get game support AND IF it runs as smoothly as most consoles (that is, the console handles patches/driver updates etc), it will be interesting to see what impact it can have.


That being said, Steam machine is going to be this gen's NeoGeo imo.  It will fade away without making much impact, but a small percentage of people will reminisce on it fondly.


- Points to Wombat for his view on PS Now.  Playing new games is always better than playing old games. 


Even though it doesn't hold much appeal to me, I can see the service succeeding if priced and marketed correctly.  Just add some tiers to PS+ and it should do ok.  If they keep it separate from PS+ I can see it having a tougher time getting traction. 


Oh man I just realized what a 4:3 PS1 game might look like on a 1080p HDTV.  Gross.

#22 casamh   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   37 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:28 AM

I think the market for PS Now is bigger than what you guys think. Technically, the market is anyone with a compatible device and capable internet service. If we followed Ship's logic, then why would anyone get Netflix streaming to watch a movie they have already seen when they could just by the DVD for $5 at WalMart? 


I have a PS3, and still would love to have PS Now. You are telling me I can play PS3 on multiple devices with my game progress being saved, so I can continue to play throughout the day. Fallout New Vegas on my tablet? I'm in. It just sounds like a great concept. 


I have to say, I am not sure why anyone would think this to be a bad idea from a consumer stand point. I have not hardly seen any negative response to this. It looks like with PS+ and this PS Now, Sony is providing great options and good deals for the consumers who support them. 


I would like to see MS do something similar, unless it forced me to use Windows 8 devices.

#23 Octob3rNotic3   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   57 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:30 AM

I always look forward to the intro song you throw into the show cheapy! 


This weeks show might be my favorite thus far.


Great work guys!

#24 TonyGeezy   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   29 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:36 AM

Here is the point of the Steam Box. It's for people who want a console experience and don't want to have to mess with a PC. All software, driver, and OS updates are curated by Valve and geared toward gaming performance. No more messing around with patches, beta drivers, and DLLs, this stuff is taken care of behind the scenes. Some also want a dedicated platform, if your PC gets a virus or you need to reinstall your OS or whatever, your Steam Box still works. This is for me.

The games will come in time. Developers who make games on Mac, PS4, and Android, will all be familiar with the way a unix-like OS with OpenGL works. Remember that Windows and Xbox are the odd ducks out using DirectX. SteamOS has to be built first for the devs to target the platform, and is still in beta, but we're 90% of the way there. The games will come. Don't forget you are free to install Windows. Valve doesn't care as long as you use the Steam store.

TLDR: I will be getting one of these and sticking to Steam OS. While I am good with computers and even run Linux on my PC, I want a plug and play solution that I don't have to worry about and this is it. I will buy a Valve made Steam Box because they have the best idea of what games need.

Don't forget, the PS4 is just a PC that doesn't run Windows either. You guys were incorrect in saying that Valve is not making their own Steam Box versions BTW.

#25 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3649 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 January 2014 - 04:56 AM

There's no telling how big the consumer base is that wants to play PlayStation 3 games, but didn't want to buy a PS3 for the past 7 years, but wants to buy a $400 PS4 and subscribe to a service.

I'm not saying those people don't exist or are wrong, I just think it's chasing a market that's pretty small.


Or someone who has a PS4 or Bravia TV that wants to play PS3, PS2 or PSOne games. I have six, soon to be seven HDMI devices with a total of three HDMI inputs. One is dedicated to my PS4, one is dedicated to my Roku 2 XD and I have to switch out the other one depending on what I want to play. 


The PS4 is just a better machine than the PS3. If I can get all of my Playstation games on one machine, that's pretty appealing to me assuming it works well.

#26 thenexus6   more human than human CAGiversary!   2223 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 09:10 AM

100% with Wombat on Microsoft and Xbox not offering much to their customers in terms of sales or deals. As a long time xbox only gamer I recently acquired a PS3 and PS4 and it's really opened my eyes - you get almost too much to actually play. If you were a cheapskate you could easily just live off the free games each month.


Microsoft's almost pathetic "free with gold" promotion has been laughable getting games up to six years old, when on PS+ you receive games under 12 months old. Sleeping Dogs currently free is probably the newest game in terms of release date they've offered.


My gold runs out end of January and I won't be renewing, too much to play on my sony consoles now! But yeah MS really need to have a hard think and come up with something.. Some of the deals they offer sometimes are pretty good, but doesn't happen often enough.

#27 TonyGeezy   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   29 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:01 AM

Well MS has shown that they try really hard not to give anything away. The Gears of War developers had to fight with MS to give maps away, and even then, MS forced them to find a sponsor. Their games are littered with micro transactions (Halo Spartan Assault is the latest offender), and they have ads on the dashboard even though you pay to get online, and they paywall services you can access elsewhere for free, and force people to get Gold subscriptions when they just want to use the OneGuide for TV listings. They've got you paying for kinect even though the camera is useless (for now, but do you really have high hopes after Ryse and Crimson dropped it, and look at Fighter Within), it's basically a glorified WiiSpeak.

I'd be pissed too.

#28 Feeding the Abscess   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3251 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:05 AM

PS+ is also getting BioShock Infinite and Brothers (I know little about it, but it's a buzzy title [edit: you guys talked about it after I posted]) for PS3 this month. Pretty sweet month for PS+.


I was against PS+ for a long time, but since getting it I've come around on it. Still think it's lame that it's required for PS4 multiplayer, but it's debatable as to whether I'll even be playing games anymore by the time I get through Skyrim, Red Dead, Dishonored, Deus Ex, Dark Souls II (I'm assuming it'll be worth playing 100+ hours) and a few others.


Additionally, I can attest to Cheapy's feelings about being thankful for being able to walk normally after an injury. Blew up my ankle while playing basketball in 2011, and it just never healed properly, leaving me unable to play basketball anymore. It's really lame being in your 20s and not being able to do something you've loved doing nearly your entire life. It's also a nice reminder of your mortality.

#29 4nik8tor   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   206 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  


Posted 09 January 2014 - 10:41 AM

Shipwreck is so optimistic he looks like a child.

#30 gorgo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   810 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:21 PM

Regarding the Xbox One Kinect TV stand controversy... I'm using my stand from my Xbox 360 Kinect. The new Kinect doesn't snap in, but it sits very stably atop my TV. I've given it a few good shakes, and it didn't move. How am I the only CAG cheap enough to think of that? Anyway, save your $20 :)


Also, to second another post here, Dead Rising 3 on Xbox One is another fantastic exclusive. I don't know why none of you have tried it. They fixed all of the annoying things about the previous DRs... few (only a reasonable amount) of timed missions, and you can save anytime. Plus it's absolutely hilarious. Too violent to play in front of the kids though.