Another Obama Lie : He knew Benghazi was terror attack, not protest

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/pentagon-labeled-benghazi-terrorist-attack-obama-administration-wavered-newly-declassified-tes-article-1.1579141

Man just one scandal after the next. Just like I said from the beginning that Obama was lying through his teeth when he said it was a protest.

I guess Hillary better forget her presidential aspirations when she said "What difference does it make if its a terror attack or a youtube video?"

Lol my god the American people are stupid to have this guy reelected again he is such a novice.
 
We had this topic once before. No one wanted to talk about the video deflection then, either. :(

Granted, we had a grand conversation about how we all knew it had nothing to do with the video... but no one really wanted to discuss how the administration was trying to put the blame on free speech and take it away from their murderous rampages across the middle east.
 
To be fair Romney was not a better choice. For many it was a case of lesser evils. Personally I voted 3rd party.
It is easy to say now because we know he can never be elected but I GUARANTEE you Romney would have turned the economy around. I don't care if he dresses or acts like someone from the 1950s, he had good business sense and knew exactly what it took to get the economy running again and thats all that matters not all this other side distraction BS.
 
To be fair Romney was not a better choice. For many it was a case of lesser evils. Personally I voted 3rd party.
I have to agree, though I was out of state and didn't vote at all.

It is easy to say now because we know he can never be elected but I GUARANTEE you Romney would have turned the economy around. I don't care if he dresses or acts like someone from the 1950s, he had good business sense and knew exactly what it took to get the economy running again and thats all that matters not all this other side distraction BS.
You can say THAT, but we'll never really know.

 
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It is easy to say now because we know he can never be elected but I GUARANTEE you Romney would have turned the economy around. I don't care if he dresses or acts like someone from the 1950s, he had good business sense and knew exactly what it took to get the economy running again and thats all that matters not all this other side distraction BS.
No, he wouldn't. He had a few positions which differed from Obama but in the end everything is fundamentally the same.

 
No, he wouldn't. He had a few positions which differed from Obama but in the end everything is fundamentally the same.
You are brainwashed if you truly believe that. He would have repealed Obamacare immediately for one which stands to take over 1/5th of the economy so no you are dead wrong on that alone. And just that one issue alone would lift a huge burden off businesses and get them thriving again. And I have not even talked about his economic policies.

Romney wasn't even my 4th or 5th choice but hes still 10x better than what we have now. Obama was barely a Senator and his claim to fame was a community organizer with no business skills at all.

"Yeah but but but... he went to Harvard Law! He is a genius!" Right... I am sure he got there because of his smarts and not through affirmative action. Which is funny that even after all this time he still won't release his college transcripts when literally every other president is an open book in that regard. What is he paying his lawyers millions of dollars for to keep so secret? God forbid he wasn't born in this country right? *eyeroll*

It's probably just the fact that he had terrible grades all along and it would shatter his image of being a smart guy when we all know the only thing he is semi-good at is reading from a teleprompter.

It really is hilarious how you Obama defenders keep dodging the topic at hand when he gets caught red handed lying in a scandal that involved Americans DEAD. You don't want to face up to the fact that he is incompetent beyond belief.
 
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You are brainwashed if you truly believe that. He would have repealed Obamacare immediately for one which stands to take over 1/5th of the economy so no you are dead wrong on that alone. And just that one issue alone would lift a huge burden off businesses and get them thriving again. And I have not even talked about his economic policies.

Romney wasn't even my 4th or 5th choice but hes still 10x better than what we have now. Obama was barely a Senator and his claim to fame was a community organizer with no business skills at all.

"Yeah but but but... he went to Harvard Law! He is a genius!" Right... I am sure he got there because of his smarts and not through affirmative action. Which is funny that even after all this time he still won't release his college transcripts when literally every other president is an open book in that regard. What is he paying his lawyers millions of dollars for to keep so secret? God forbid he wasn't born in this country right? *eyeroll*

It's probably just the fact that he had terrible grades all along and it would shatter his image of being a smart guy when we all know the only thing he is semi-good at is reading from a teleprompter.

It really is hilarious how you Obama defenders keep dodging the topic at hand when he gets caught red handed lying in a scandal that involved Americans DEAD. You don't want to face up to the fact that he is incompetent beyond belief.
Nope, I can see clearly. He might have repealed Obamacare or maybe not, you know how politicians change after they take office. Also I doubt Obamacare is burden equal to 1/5th of economy.

Funny thats how every politician is described. Yet when they assume the throne, priorities and promises quickly change. Obama may have been barely a senator but that does not mean he would be a terrible president, he failed due to the fact that he caters to corporations and special interests groups.

Yeah I do not care that he went to Harvard. It adds nothing.

I do not understand why you call me an Obama defender when if you read my posts, you will see I am probably more conservative than you are. Unlike some of republicans I know, I do not blindly defend the party. If I see them acting as statists or investing more attention towards the corporations instead of the people, I will let it be known.

 
Can someone explain to me how the president can unilaterally repeal a law? I must have missed that day of, well all the schooling I've ever taken...
 
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Can someone explain to me how the president can unilaterally repeal a law? I must have missed that day of, well all the schooling I've ever taken...
What he is actually doing is illegal. He keeps changing the law as he goes along and the media doesn't call him out on it. So in effect he is trying to repeal his own law.

Just the simple example of moving the deadline further and further down is technically against the law since the original deadline was in 2013 and the ORIGINAL law stated that there would be no employer mandate delay because he realized it was going to be a disaster.

So explain to me with all your "Schooling" how that is legal? Don't worry I realize you aren't going to answer the question.
 
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Nope, I can see clearly. He might have repealed Obamacare or maybe not, you know how politicians change after they take office. Also I doubt Obamacare is burden equal to 1/5th of economy.

Funny thats how every politician is described. Yet when they assume the throne, priorities and promises quickly change. Obama may have been barely a senator but that does not mean he would be a terrible president, he failed due to the fact that he caters to corporations and special interests groups.

Yeah I do not care that he went to Harvard. It adds nothing.

I do not understand why you call me an Obama defender when if you read my posts, you will see I am probably more conservative than you are. Unlike some of republicans I know, I do not blindly defend the party. If I see them acting as statists or investing more attention towards the corporations instead of the people, I will let it be known.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202

"A number of provisions of the Affordable Care Act, many of which have already gone into effect, are directly aimed at reducing the growth of health-care spending, which accounts for nearly one-fifth of the overall U.S. economy."

As you can see Healthcare comprises of almost one fifth of the US economy and that is one of the main reasons Obama wants to control it so badly to gain even more power politically and for his power.

As for you being more conservative than me, I can't tell but you seem to be confusing me with someone else as I don't shill for either party but I do believe in massively smaller government than what we have now. We are just wasting a sheer amount of dollars on worthless programs.
 
You do have some points, Ninja. However, I think you could come up with a better way to say most of this stop. You kind of come off like a complete cock.

 
What he is actually doing is illegal. He keeps changing the law as he goes along and the media doesn't call him out on it. So in effect he is trying to repeal his own law.
Don't forget the whole "it's not a tax except for when it is a tax" line.

But that's for one of the many other Health Insurance topics. Let's talk about Benghazi. Anyone?
 
You do have some points, Ninja. However, I think you could come up with a better way to say most of this stop. You kind of come off like a complete cock.
Well I can't really help how it sounds over the internet. It is like for the people who can't detect sarcasm online as well, people will just interpret it differently.

I am just pretty passionate about this and it befuddles me how EVERYONE can't see the same things I am seeing.
 
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101065202

"A number of provisions of the Affordable Care Act, many of which have already gone into effect, are directly aimed at reducing the growth of health-care spending, which accounts for nearly one-fifth of the overall U.S. economy."

As you can see Healthcare comprises of almost one fifth of the US economy and that is one of the main reasons Obama wants to control it so badly to gain even more power politically and for his power.

As for you being more conservative than me, I can't tell but you seem to be confusing me with someone else as I don't shill for either party but I do believe in massively smaller government than what we have now. We are just wasting a sheer amount of dollars on worthless programs.
Ill need to read that article in the future. That number still seems far fetched.

I agree with you on the smaller government and waste. But you do seem like a type of person who would support any republican candidate in the general election. I, on the other hand will not do it again. I think Romney was a terrible candidate so I did not vote for him, in 2016 if we have a choice between Jeb and Hilary then I will continue to vote 3rd party.

 
I don't understand, you can choose between a businessman or a socialist and you waste a vote. Was he THAT bad? Worst than Kenyan-in-Chief we have now? It's impossible. At least he didn't want to force you to buy health insurance and encroach on your very civil liberties Mr. Libertarian. Or bypass the constitution. I think you're being unfair, there's clearly a generational disconnect for we youngsters going on but we still have to vote for the better of two evils.

Any self-respecting conservative minded young person is almost forced to identify libertarian these days. The absurd war on weed sticks out in my mind. Where the weed Nazi Republicans that brazenly enter the debate bring no knowledge of facts on the issue. They are truly ideologues and can't make the connection between politics and reality, not ninja. And I resent them for it.

 
It's only a waste of a vote if you vote for someone you don't believe in.
Profound but I sadly don't feel that can be applied to politics these days. At the very least grant me my freedom more than the other guy and I will vote for you. That seems fair to me. Not only do I disagree (Very American BTW) with the man in office, but he is forcing me to do what he wants. That is a big difference to me.

 
I just don't have the sympathy or outrage over what went down in Benghazi that so many Republicans seem to have. Kind of hard to drum up support for a foreign mafia that terrorizes the world, in this instance operating in Libya not only in an effort to overthrow the government in power, but also using various outposts as weapon smuggling stations for other conflicts in the region. That this criminal enterprise gets its comeuppance from the locals who don't want them there is really poetic justice, not an abominable offense against mankind.

It would make more sense for people who claim to support limited government to cut their losses and understand the disdain for a rampaging parasitic entity raining death and destruction worldwide, but these people don't really support limited government. They're colonialists with egg on their faces.

 
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I meant the guys that actually had a shot at winning.
Every single poll from any credible source within 3-5 months from the election that broke down the polls by state/electoral votes had Obama winning by a lot (which he did). If you're only voting for someone who can win, your only option was to vote for Obama, since he very clearly was going to take the race by the time you voted.
 
Kind of hard to drum up support for a foreign mafia that terrorizes the world
It was an embassy, man. Innocent diplomats, great people. You don't fire shoulder mounted rockets at embassies.

People deserve to be called out on Benghazi, though I think it's obvious that Republicans are more concerned with smearing the administration than they are with actual justice. But they aren't wrong.

 
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I don't understand, you can choose between a businessman or a socialist and you waste a vote. Was he THAT bad? Worst than Kenyan-in-Chief we have now? It's impossible. At least he didn't want to force you to buy health insurance and encroach on your very civil liberties Mr. Libertarian. Or bypass the constitution. I think you're being unfair, there's clearly a generational disconnect for we youngsters going on but we still have to vote for the better of two evils.

Any self-respecting conservative minded young person is almost forced to identify libertarian these days. The absurd war on weed sticks out in my mind. Where the weed Nazi Republicans that brazenly enter the debate bring no knowledge of facts on the issue. They are truly ideologues and can't make the connection between politics and reality, not ninja. And I resent them for it.
Romney care? Bypass the constitution? He does not even understand it.

Asked whether congressional authorization would be necessary to launch a strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities, Romney declined to answer definitively, instead deferring to lawyers’ opinions. “You sit down with your attorneys and tell you what you have to do, but obviously the president of the United States has to do what’s in the best interest of the United States,” Romney told moderator Chris Matthews. On whether President Bush needed authorization to invade Iraq, Romney again deferred to legal experts, saying, “You know, we’re going to let the lawyers sort out what he needed to do and what he didn’t need to do.”
 
I don't understand, you can choose between a businessman or a socialist and you waste a vote. Was he THAT bad? Worst than Kenyan-in-Chief we have now? It's impossible. At least he didn't want to force you to buy health insurance and encroach on your very civil liberties Mr. Libertarian. Or bypass the constitution. I think you're being unfair, there's clearly a generational disconnect for we youngsters going on but we still have to vote for the better of two evils.

Any self-respecting conservative minded young person is almost forced to identify libertarian these days. The absurd war on weed sticks out in my mind. Where the weed Nazi Republicans that brazenly enter the debate bring no knowledge of facts on the issue. They are truly ideologues and can't make the connection between politics and reality, not ninja. And I resent them for it.
Yup not a racist there :roll:

 
Sure a joke. We are having trouble telling them apart from your regular posts. Also, are you pro colonial?

 
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It was an embassy, man. Innocent diplomats, great people. You don't fire shoulder mounted rockets at embassies.

People deserve to be called out on Benghazi, though I think it's obvious that Republicans are more concerned with smearing the administration than they are with actual justice. But they aren't wrong.
The US embassy in Libya was and is in Tripoli, not Benghazi. The compound in Benghazi was a mission.

As is now common knowledge, the mission contained a CIA outpost that held locals. Additionally, weapons were moved through this outpost, with many reports linking those weapons to Syrian rebels. Ambassador Stevens also was instrumental in laying the groundwork for the Libyan rebels in their efforts to oust Qaddafi - Stevens was even dispatched as the US envoy to the Libyan opposition in April of 2011.

What happened in Benghazi was a classic case of blowback, the results of clandestine operations that the public is generally not made aware of - the unseen effects of imperialism. This was not a case of crazies attacking an official embassy of kind, gentle souls bringing light into the darkness of the world. Until Benghazi is discussed in this manner, and not in the foolish and childish rantings of Republicans wondering why Marines, tanks, and bombers weren't flown in to incinerate the area, or why there wasn't a military division stationed there to thwart potential attacks, it's detrimental to any serious attempts at finding a solution to the incident.

 
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What happened in Benghazi was a classic case of blowback, the results of clandestine operations that the public is generally not made aware of - the unseen effects of imperialism.
No, no, no... It was because they hate our freedom and because someone released a video on the internet that attacked their religion. Duh.

 
It is easy to say now because we know he can never be elected but I GUARANTEE you Romney would have turned the economy around. I don't care if he dresses or acts like someone from the 1950s, he had good business sense and knew exactly what it took to get the economy running again and thats all that matters not all this other side distraction BS.
The reason why people don't see what you do is because EVEN serious libertarian economists will say "just because you know how to run a company, does not mean you know how to run the government."

My personal take on it is that companies can behave they way they do, BECAUSE the government offers support programs. (I think the American government offers TOO MANY programs, but SOME are necessary).

To take an example of all those successful businesses. Every time a company seems to go through hard times, they start firing their work force, while still giving the executives raises for doing such a great job. (For the record, this is not how trickle-down economics works)

Now, let's assume those companies are making the RIGHT decision to fire all those people (because they ARE successful). What lets them fire all those people without a care, is because the person getting fired knows that they have some time to search/get a job. Otherwise, being fired would = risking death for so many (because the average American does not apparently believe in saving money, or cutting back on entertainment or luxuries), and in this great nation with gun rights and the belief of not being oppressed by anyone, you can guess how people would respond. And the FEAR of that possible response, would keep those successful companies from doing the "right" thing of firing them in hard economic times, thus making them less successful.

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Getting to your idea about Romney repealing the ACA, he probably would do it. Not because he knows any better (because remember Romney-care?), but because that's what the party would have demanded of him.

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Next, I think it is interesting that in that article you cited, you focused on the 1/5 part of the GDP, and NOT the part where ACA is trying to REDUCE that, and you're still going on about this being some sort of power-grab.

And the ACA IS trying to reduce spending on Medicare/Medicaid. Because of the Baby Boomers, those programs are quickly headed for bankruptcy. (The problem with the ACA, is that it may shift the expense to the American people, or to people holding insurance)

Regardless, the point is to REDUCE government spending. You should be happy about that.

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Lastly, as another piece of food for thought, here's the problem with the privatization of government services which is supposed to make them cheaper and more efficient. (Putting aside issues of accountability and transparency)

Take Blackwater for example. They actually took on a lot of the work in Iraq and Afghanistan. They pay their soldiers a BUTT-LOAD more than US Army pays theirs. As a result more soldiers would prefer to work for a private contractor instead of the army.

Here's where the problem comes in: WHO PAYS for the salaries of the Blackwater soldiers? Blackwater gets no-bid contract work for the government. The government gets its money from taxes.

So instead of paying $30,000 per soldier, the US taxpayer ends up paying $80,000-100,000 per soldier.

 
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