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#31 b3b0p   Where's r0ckst34dy? CAGiversary!   3654 Posts   Joined 17.9 Years Ago  

Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:58 AM

LOL I didn't know I was trolling. I just seriously don't know anyone that has a wii u. I know playstation/xbox people and I know wii people. Bayonetta 2 on Wii U just seems crazy, but I don't know. Thief on a system other than pc, lol? my computer at home is like 10 years old and im lucky if I can play titanquest/age of mythology. I havnt played games on computer cept minesweeper n oregon trail back in the day. I'm not good with technology unless it comes plug n play right outta the box i.e. consoles. I tried computers but I just get distracted with all the porn and etc.
 
I also love the people that say 100% sure this is only gonna be on Wii U. They said the same thing about Mass Effect 1, same thing with microsoft published game never gonna happen and no more heroes only on wii... those didn't last.
 
hydrophobia. lol


Totally different situation. Mass Effect was a 3rd party game. Bayonetta 2 would not exist without Nintendo at this time. Keep dreaming if you think this goes multi. It's going in the Nintendo vault if anything.

#32 miyamotorola   I have mild to moderate eczema CAGiversary!   3813 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:43 AM

:o is it really being released on 5/6?

#33 VidgamesgivemeA_D_D   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2267 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:21 AM

:o is it really being released on 5/6?

My guess would be that it's wrong. Nintendo usually announces release dates on Nintendo Direct these days and there's been no announcement yet. Most sites I go on it says to be announced. But I guess it's possible.



#34 JamesKelly09  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:34 AM

Donkey kong tropical freeze sold 130,000 copies within the first 8 days alone
http://www.nintendol...tropical_freeze

Those are horrible number for a game so called "Triple A" game to sell. No wonder Nintendo keeps bleeding out money every time they keep failing at selling games and hardware. Am more then sure they must have lost millions in making this game and have yet to breakeven on it. Oh and the Wii U still has another 3 month drought to endure...



#35 miyamotorola   I have mild to moderate eczema CAGiversary!   3813 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:46 AM

:/ doesn't matter what channel I'm watching.. I always encounter a ps4 or Xbox one commercial at least 2-3 times an hour. I see a Wii u commercial maybe once every 4 months and that's only if I'm watching nicktoons hardcore.

#36 rpg  

Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:58 AM

I also love the people that say 100% sure this is only gonna be on Wii U. They said the same thing about Mass Effect 1, same thing with microsoft published game never gonna happen and no more heroes only on wii... those didn't last.

 

hydrophobia. lol

Buying Bayonetta 2 The Director's Cut for ps3 or ps4. See u guys in 1-2 years. :wave:



#37 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11240 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:00 AM

Hey guys, this is a deal thread. shut up and take it to the wii u forums.



#38 Japakneez   You are big foo CAGiversary!   2415 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:11 AM

I decided to put in a pre-order for Wii-U as soon as Bayonetta 2 was announced exclusive. Can't wait for this!



#39 destro4eva   Banned Banned   1210 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 09:37 AM

This game is a system seller for me. Thanks OP.

#40 YellowGameboyColor   Banned Banned   3239 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

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#41 chimpmeister   Hates gimmicks CAGiversary!   4012 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 05:15 PM

Those are horrible number for a game so called "Triple A" game to sell. No wonder Nintendo keeps bleeding out money every time they keep failing at selling games and hardware. Am more then sure they must have lost millions in making this game and have yet to breakeven on it. Oh and the Wii U still has another 3 month drought to endure...

Ouch!  It does seem like none of the games that were supposed to resurrect the Wii U have done that.  Wonderful 101 is a great example, was hyped to the clouds as a killer title, but bombed with only 170k worldwide since its launch in August of 2013 (7 months ago).  DK Tropical Freeze did a lot better, at 310k in just over two weeks, but I doubt it will break 1 million in its lifetime, at this rate.  These games need to sell a lot better to be profitable, as of right now they don't even break even.



#42 VidgamesgivemeA_D_D   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2267 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:10 AM

Ouch!  It does seem like none of the games that were supposed to resurrect the Wii U have done that.  Wonderful 101 is a great example, was hyped to the clouds as a killer title, but bombed with only 170k worldwide since its launch in August of 2013 (7 months ago).  DK Tropical Freeze did a lot better, at 310k in just over two weeks, but I doubt it will break 1 million in its lifetime, at this rate.  These games need to sell a lot better to be profitable, as of right now they don't even break even.

Like I said earlier let's wait until Mario kart 8 comes out. That should increase the install base dramatically. While it may be too late for Wonderful 101 I could see a lot of new owners buying DKC TF. If any game can help the Wii U it's Mario Kart 8, but if it can't the Wii U is nearly hopeless.



#43 maximumzero   Seriously, quit it. CAGiversary!   4141 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:27 AM

Hooray, another Wii U hate thread.



#44 Blaster man  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:19 AM

Like I said earlier let's wait until Mario kart 8 comes out. That should increase the install base dramatically. While it may be too late for Wonderful 101 I could see a lot of new owners buying DKC TF. If any game can help the Wii U it's Mario Kart 8, but if it can't the Wii U is nearly hopeless.


MK8 will probably sell 1-2 million Wii U's. I wouldn't expect more than 2 million. MK8 sales will be good enough to earn a profit on that particular game since it's basically Nintendo's top game.

As for DKC, I doubt it will see a huge influx of sales. Some sales, sure. Tons of sales? No. The game is not the kind of game most people want. Most likely the people buying the Wii U for MK8 will be much more casual than the people that already own it. Even assuming that the people buying the Wii U for MK8 buy DKC at the same rate as the current install base, that's a 50% increase in install base so a 50% increase in sales or an extra 160k for a total of 500k.

#45

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 01:12 PM

You know, if they'd port Bayonetta 1, I'd be willing to look into this.  But I don't think I'm willing to try 2 without playing 1.  And as I understand it 1 plays like shit on PS3.  So I guess I'm just skipping this one.

 

For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if this sells well at all.  I'd expect to see it at $30 or less within a few months at the least.... 

Ouch!  It does seem like none of the games that were supposed to resurrect the Wii U have done that.  Wonderful 101 is a great example, was hyped to the clouds as a killer title, but bombed with only 170k worldwide since its launch in August of 2013 (7 months ago).  DK Tropical Freeze did a lot better, at 310k in just over two weeks, but I doubt it will break 1 million in its lifetime, at this rate.  These games need to sell a lot better to be profitable, as of right now they don't even break even.

I think you grossly underestimate just how little money Nintendo pours into most of these games.  While I don't want to speculate on W101 as I know nobody who worked on it, I can tell you that titles like Tropical Freeze and NSMBU cost VERY little money to make (compared to other games).  The only reason Nintendo charges $60 for them is because fanboys will eat it up no matter what.  But trust me, at $60 (or even $50) these games don't have to move very much to be profitable.  And don't even get me started on Wind Waker's HD port....

 

Pikmin 3 is the only 1st party game on WiiU that's had a budget comparable to many other 3rd party AAA epics.  Even that newest Mario game on WiiU was cranked out at a relatively cheap price.  

 

Now I'm not saying Nintendo can afford to not sell games...... I'm just saying Nintendo is very cheap.  They don't pour a lot of money into most of the games they develop, with few exceptions (Skyward Sword and Pikmin 3 being fairly recent examples).  



#46 Blaster man  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 01:47 PM

You know, if they'd port Bayonetta 1, I'd be willing to look into this.  But I don't think I'm willing to try 2 without playing 1.  And as I understand it 1 plays like shit on PS3.  So I guess I'm just skipping this one.
 
For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if this sells well at all.  I'd expect to see it at $30 or less within a few months at the least.... 

I think you grossly underestimate just how little money Nintendo pours into most of these games.  While I don't want to speculate on W101 as I know nobody who worked on it, I can tell you that titles like Tropical Freeze and NSMBU cost VERY little money to make (compared to other games).  The only reason Nintendo charges $60 for them is because fanboys will eat it up no matter what.  But trust me, at $60 (or even $50) these games don't have to move very much to be profitable.  And don't even get me started on Wind Waker's HD port....
 
Pikmin 3 is the only 1st party game on WiiU that's had a budget comparable to many other 3rd party AAA epics.  Even that newest Mario game on WiiU was cranked out at a relatively cheap price.  
 
Now I'm not saying Nintendo can afford to not sell games...... I'm just saying Nintendo is very cheap.  They don't pour a lot of money into most of the games they develop, with few exceptions (Skyward Sword and Pikmin 3 being fairly recent examples).


So we know that most companies need to sell 2 million to break even. Now that Nintendo is making HD games, I'm assuming break even at 1.5 million. Are you saying this is high. As I remember, they were having trouble with HD and needed to bring more people in for many of their games. Obviously a side scroller like DKC is cheaper to make but if they only sell 500k are they really turning a profit on it? Their financial statements have not been good. I read them.

 

 

 

I don't know how much Nintend's cut of each game is but I'd guess around $30 out of $60.  500k would only result in 15 million revenue and much less profit.  I really don't think Nintendo considers games making a couple million in profits as "successful".  I mean, look at their financials for their Q3 (Oct-Dec) and despite lots of Mario sales, they barely earned anything.  If it wasn't for 3DS "printing money" they'd have had massive losses.  The Wii U is not a profit center.



#47 midloo   User No. 2 CAGiversary!   2165 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 17 March 2014 - 02:51 PM

Like I said earlier let's wait until Mario kart 8 comes out. That should increase the install base dramatically. While it may be too late for Wonderful 101 I could see a lot of new owners buying DKC TF. If any game can help the Wii U it's Mario Kart 8, but if it can't the Wii U is nearly hopeless.

The one two punch of Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros could be helpful, but I think the Wii U's fate is nearly sealed.  It will be another Game Cube.  People will vilify it and Nintendo for its entire lifecycle, then look back at all the solid 1st party games in its history and it will be a sought after console on the secondary market.  

 

There are enough great experiences on the device right now to justify a purchase, but they cost a premium and people see the games being thrown out for PS+ and GOLD each month.  That's value that Nintendo just isn't trying to compete with right now.  

 

I wish they would just give out a new Virtual Console game every week PS+ style.  Stop being greedy about your deep historical catalog and start selling systems by using it as a subsidy.  

 

There - I fixed your problem.  Give me a job in the exec department of NoA :) 



#48 whodoneit   Cheap Ass Player? Apparently CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 17 March 2014 - 03:36 PM

i can see this game doing worse than wonderful 101 & that game tanked hard.



#49

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:29 PM

Why do people keep thinking MK8 is going to save the system?  I demoed it awhile back, it really felt like a rehash of MK7, but HDified and without the amazing 3D the 3DS version had.

People may like to talk shit about Mario Kart but the truth is every new entry in the series has added something.  Whether it be the 3D and 4 player mode of the N64 version, the fun/interesting new mechanics of Double Dash, the online and boss battles in the DS version (god I miss those boss battles  :cry: ), the amazing motion controls/bikes/tricks + GOOD online of Mario Kart Wii, or the air/sea mechanics of the 3DS version.  Every game has innovated in some way and been unique.

Mario Kart 8 isn't like that.  Granted I demoes it a long time ago, so maybe there's been some changes, but if there has been I haven't seen or heard about them.  Unless they plan on pulling out all the stops and innovating out the ass on the track design, this game IS the Mario Kart 7 engine (lol pun) in HD.  Throwing bikes and a few characters back in doesn't cut it, it never has.  So unless these new tracks really are something truly special, I see no reason to "upgrade" from the 3DS version (at least not for $60.... maybe for $30 or so).  While I've no doubt the game will sell well (or well for a WiiU game anyways), I honestly don't see it moving any consoles.  Not when you can get the same damn thing from the 3DS game.

 

I can't stress that enough either.  From what I played of the game, it really does feel like these tracks should simply be DLC for Mario Kart 7.  I suppose the bikes could be too for that matter?  Either way, unless they've made some changes I'm unaware of, this is the 1st Mario Kart game I will be skipping.... well, ever.



#50 the_grimace   It's Wondiferous! CAGiversary!   1422 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 05:58 PM

Release date of 05/06/14???  I thought this was unannounced and likely to ship this holiday.  Not that I would complain... I am super excited for this one, but I doubt we are getting it in May.



#51 maximumzero   Seriously, quit it. CAGiversary!   4141 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:01 PM

Why do people keep thinking MK8 is going to save the system?


This is why:

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Mario Kart Wii is the 5th best-selling videogame of ALL TIME, and the 3rd best-selling videogame of all time if you knock that list down to single-platform releases. (Removing Tetris which has been on every platform imaginable, along with Minecraft.)

Mario Kart is also one of the best-selling franchises ever, which itself is a sub-franchise of THE best-selling franchise ever (The Mario brand.)

I'm not saying that it'll "save" the system, because that's a silly phrase, but it should sell quite a few copies.

#52 Blaster man  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:11 PM

This is why:

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Mario Kart Wii is the 5th best-selling videogame of ALL TIME, and the 3rd best-selling videogame of all time if you knock that list down to single-platform releases. (Removing Tetris which has been on every platform imaginable, along with Minecraft.)

Mario Kart is also one of the best-selling franchises ever, which itself is a sub-franchise of THE best-selling franchise ever (The Mario brand.)

I'm not saying that it'll "save" the system, because that's a silly phrase, but it should sell quite a few copies.

I think it will help but it won't be enough.  The Wii had a massive install base.  Meanwhile the GameCube had a ~22 million install base and only sold ~7 million Mario Kart Double Dash.

 

The Wii sold about 100 million consoles and around 34 million copies of Mario Kart Wii.

 

So if you look at those stats, you can safely assume that Mario Kart 8 will sell to 1/3 the Wii U install base.  That number is currently ~6 million.  Assuming that Mario Kart 8 sells 2 million consoles (high estimate) then it would have an 8 million install base and sell 2.5-3 million copies of Mario Kart 8.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if it pushes half a million to a million consoles but honestly, it would be tough for Mario Kart 8 to push 2 million because most people that want Nintendo games already have a Wii U.  How many people are holding off for *just* MK8?

 

This is pretty much it for the Wii U.  They don't have anything else like Mario Kart.  If this doesn't set the world on fire and really get the Wii U sales ball rolling then they're done.  It's their "magic bullet" but it's also their last bullet.  Unless you think Zelda U (which hasn't even been announced and may not be out for years) is going to do something that MK8 can't.



#53 maximumzero   Seriously, quit it. CAGiversary!   4141 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 06:19 PM

I think that the concept that any console needs a "single system seller" to suddenly sell a bunch of units is a falsity anyway.

The PS3 was in a major slump for a long time and only through a combination of price drops, rebranding, and a bunch of great games did the sales pick up. No one single game did it.

Meanwhile the PS4 came out the gate at a full sprint with no real "system seller" game to push it.

#54 MPoWeRM3   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1909 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:01 PM

I think that the concept that any console needs a "single system seller" to suddenly sell a bunch of units is a falsity anyway.

The PS3 was in a major slump for a long time and only through a combination of price drops, rebranding, and a bunch of great games did the sales pick up. No one single game did it.

Meanwhile the PS4 came out the gate at a full sprint with no real "system seller" game to push it.

Sony's marketing dept deserves a pay raise this round.



#55

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Posted 17 March 2014 - 07:17 PM

This is why:

software.jpg

Mario Kart Wii is the 5th best-selling videogame of ALL TIME, and the 3rd best-selling videogame of all time if you knock that list down to single-platform releases. (Removing Tetris which has been on every platform imaginable, along with Minecraft.)

Mario Kart is also one of the best-selling franchises ever, which itself is a sub-franchise of THE best-selling franchise ever (The Mario brand.)

I'm not saying that it'll "save" the system, because that's a silly phrase, but it should sell quite a few copies.

Ah, I follow what you are saying.  And I didn't think of it like that.  But honestly I'm still not convinced.

 

I know this may not mean much to many people here, but I remember the hype for Mario Kart Wii very well.  It didn't reach SSBB levels, but a lot of people were very excited for the game, and that's not something I've seen with Mario Kart 8.  Outside of NintendoLife and GoNintendo, I don't see any hype for this game whatsoever.  I sure as hell don't see it IRL even though Mario Kart Wii was all we talked about a month before it came out.

 

Nintendo's marketing may be partially to blame for that, but I still say that it feels like a very cheap effort by Nintendo, as if they are pushing to get this out as if it's going to save WiiU.  The reality is the Gamepad brings nothing to the table (or at least nothing the 3DS didn't do), there's no peripheral like the Wii Wheel (say what you want but that add-on was ingenious for roping in the more casual audience), and most of all this game really brings nothing significantly new to the table.  If it were, surely they'd have advertised it by now?  I still maintain hope that we will be getting top notch tracks that will blow everything before out of the water and change the way we play MK forever.  But honestly, I don't see that happening.  Either way we will wait and see, but I'll be floored if this game moves even a tenth of what Mario Kart Wii did.



#56 AvidWriter   The Fictioner CAGiversary!   1064 Posts   Joined 17.8 Years Ago  

Posted 18 March 2014 - 01:54 AM

Too little too late? I think the Wii U is doomed. 

 

EDIT :  At least doomed in the sense the Gamecube was. 







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