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#4141 Waggles   What the funk n waggle you talkin' bout? CAGiversary!   4183 Posts   Joined 9.3 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 09:27 PM

Odallus is the best game in the bundle anyway.


I could not agree more, Spoder.

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#4142 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5232 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 09:45 PM

Because they don't want to devalue their game by letting their game get bundled and keys to be resold on the gray market when the keys supposedly were never meant to be included in this kind of bundle in the first place? Really, I don't think their mistake was invalidating keys, it was not disclosing how the fuckup happened in the first place. They've told us that there was a misunderstanding between them and BS, but no further details. Maybe there's some sort of NDA in whatever contract they signed which keeps them from speaking up, but it's hurting them too much in the long run. If it were me I'd disclose that info to the public even it it meant no future business with BS. I'm pretty sure most people would back off if they knew what the exact circumstances were, people love to white knight devs if they see them as the victim, but in this case it ain't happening much because we're lacking crucial info, which is causing lack of trust in the dev and BS.

 

However, if it was more the dev's screwup than BS I can understand why they don't want anyone to know, in which case no one would defend them and it would cause more of an outrage than what we're seeing now. Maybe they're keeping quiet for that reason, who knows.  Honestly if I had bought the bundle and held off on activating keys or held off on buying the bundle period I'd be pissed too, but I have a habit of activating all keys right after I buy bundles. This should be a lesson for the future, activate keys ASAP and don't hold off on buying higher quality bundles if you're interested in the games (looking at you Bobby!). Oh and this could potentially create bad PR for BundleStars as well if they don't do anything to compensate for the situation. Lowering the bundle price by 50 cents isn't doing shit for the consumers lol. They need to make an announcement ASAP if they want to salvage their reputation.

I don't buy the devaluing argument. Whether it was a mistake or not, the game was in a bundle and it's obviously not the buyers' fault that it wasn't supposed to be. Frankly I doubt the majority of people who bought it but didn't redeem right away would be satisfied with some explanation that laid the blame for the mess at the feet of BundleStars. Yeah there might be a few weirdos out there who would say that's fine, but most people would just see it as I said it earlier--we got screwed and we're passing the screw on to you. No matter what the explanation is, you're alienating would-be customers by revoking keys that were paid for through what is believed to be a legitimate channel. 

 

But it probably will be in a Humble later this year, so, whatever, I guess. 


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#4143 spoderman  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:02 PM

I don't buy the devaluing argument. Whether it was a mistake or not, the game was in a bundle and it's obviously not the buyers' fault that it wasn't supposed to be. Frankly I doubt the majority of people who bought it but didn't redeem right away would be satisfied with some explanation that laid the blame for the mess at the feet of BundleStars. Yeah there might be a few weirdos out there who would say that's fine, but most people would just see it as I said it earlier--we got screwed and we're passing the screw on to you. No matter what the explanation is, you're alienating would-be customers by revoking keys that were paid for through what is believed to be a legitimate channel. 

 

But it probably will be in a Humble later this year, so, whatever, I guess. 

I buy the devaluing argument.. because if I were the dev and a bundle site screwed me over I'd be doing the same damn thing. I'd invalidate keys that haven't been redeemed and let people keep the keys if they were already activated. It all depends on who's at fault here, like I said we have barely any info. Blaming the dev at this point makes no sense to me because we don't really know what happened with either party. I prefer to stay neutral, for all we know BundleStars could have fucked up. Yes, it sucks if you procrastinated and didn't activate your keys, but lesson learned. There's not much benefit to delaying activation of keys. I suppose you could trade them, but why do that if you want the game in the first place?

 

As for buyers not being satisfied with a good explanation, I disagree. It must be your first day on the internet if you don't realize how much white knighting goes on with indie devs. That, and it's possible BundleStars will offer full refunds for people that ask for it. The problem is like I said before, we don't know all of the facts and BundleStars not announcing what they'll do to compensate people isn't helping the issue.


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#4144 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8242 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:45 PM

Every time some crap like this happens with devs (Nekro keys expiring, whatever the deal  was with Body Changer in the groupees bundle, etc) I think "From now on I'm going to redeem keys right away!"

 

Then I buy a bundle and "well... copy and pasting is really hard... so I'll redeem the keys tomorrow".



#4145 rcsample   You're entering a world of pain! CAGiversary!   4217 Posts   Joined 5.0 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:48 PM

The Dev is not doing a real good job of winning the hearts and minds of the people he scroogied.

He offered a sale price at $7. He insinuated that BundleStars stolen the keys using a hypothetical and then rambled on about some other way they couldn't legally keep the keys and then when pressed for elaboration says: "I cannot speak on the specific situation".

Oh and he's started banning people, always a winning strategy!

Great PR, dood!

#4146 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8242 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:52 PM

Wait... so you saying I could score a few hundred/thousand keys from a dev by contacting them about a hypothetical bundle/sale?

 

They'll just send the keys without having agreements in place?  Crazy!

 

That's up there with negotiating with groupees to put a game in a bundle when I'm not the dev/pub.



#4147 spoderman  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:52 PM

Every time some crap like this happens with devs (Nekro keys expiring, whatever the deal  was with Body Changer in the groupees bundle, etc) I think "From now on I'm going to redeem keys right away!"

 

Then I buy a bundle and "well... copy and pasting is really hard... so I'll redeem the keys tomorrow".

y u do dis

 

I srsly don't understand why people procrastinate when it comes to activating keys. I get that you don't always have access to a computer, but in that case you should probably wait to buy the bundle if you can't activate it right after it's bought. Almost all of these bundle sites are at least a BIT shady, so you shouldn't be waiting to activate shit.

 

PS: If you use Archi's Steam Farm + ASFui it makes activating multiple keys a lot faster.


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#4148 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8242 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 20 August 2016 - 10:58 PM

I didn't buy the BS bundle (was only interested in 4 games, I don't like buying a bundle if I'm only interested in less than half of the games).

 

But like I said, copy and paste is hard.



#4149 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   2778 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:24 AM

http://steamcommunit...43117515755066 
 

HitlerCat 43 minutes ago 
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Basically, shady dev's gonne be shady. Whatcha gonna do?

Answer: Remember this. Your game and studio are now pretty much black-listed by the PC gaming community. Your 75% off promotion is going to fail miserably. You'll make less cash than you'd have made staying in the bundle.


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#4150 TrumpCat   knows more about being a cat than anyone, believe me CAGiversary!   4583 Posts   Joined 4.4 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:30 AM

The guy that posted that is obviously very intelligent, handsome and well endowed.

 

Oh wait! It was me!

 

So I'm right again.


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#4151 spoderman  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:37 AM

The guy that posted that is obviously very intelligent, handsome and well endowed.

 

Oh wait! It was me!

 

So I'm right again.

y did that guy get himself banned?

 

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#4152 Syntax Error   Art School Dropout CAGiversary!   10477 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 August 2016 - 12:39 AM

y did that guy get himself banned?

He's a martyr!



#4153 TrumpCat   knows more about being a cat than anyone, believe me CAGiversary!   4583 Posts   Joined 4.4 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:03 AM

y did that guy get himself banned?

 

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#4154 hal   Game Hoarder CAGiversary!   5611 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:31 AM

I bought this bundle and activated everything immediately like a good little bundle buyer, so:  :D/  I think this is where I get to say Y U NO...

 

I read most of that thread and I think people that bought the bundle with Star Ruler 2 in it really have a legitimate gripe with the developer. I do get the impression that BundleStars wasn't interested in any of his solutions in resolving their differences. He did say he spent a few days trying to come up with a better solution.

 

The logical thing would have been to have BS drop the game from the bundle and return the unused keys. Since the logical course was not followed, we can assume one of two things:

 

1. Dev screwed up and made a bad deal; or

2. BS breached their own contract.

 

It seems highly unlikely that BS would not follow a contract they constructed, therefore you have to conclude that the developer messed up, couldn't get BS to back out, and then took his keys and went home. Voiding the keys was his only leverage, but in the process he screwed his own customers.

 

The whole thing is really unfortunate. I get why BS wouldn't want to blow up a bundle they just hyped and released, though I think they'd have been better off realizing that playing hardball with developers isn't good for anyone. Also, consider that we're not talking about Humble-type sales numbers. Letting a few thousand copies of the game go into a bundle isn't going to hurt sales that much in the end. If I were in financial trouble, I'd take a smaller check now instead of milking a higher price in a niche genre.



#4155 spoderman  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:37 AM

It seems highly unlikely that BS would not follow a contract they constructed, therefore you have to conclude that the developer messed up, couldn't get BS to back out, and then took his keys and went home. Voiding the keys was his only leverage, but in the process he screwed his own customers.

Bundle sites aren't perfect, BS is no exception. Remember when Groupees sent a music contract to a dev for a game bundle? lol

 

I think it's best if we wait until BS makes a statement before making assumptions. It's possible they both screwed up somehow. Best to hear from both sides.


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#4156 hal   Game Hoarder CAGiversary!   5611 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:43 AM

We aren't going to get statements from BS. We're talking Star Ruler 2, not Grand Theft Auto V. We're all going to forget about it in a week when the latest outrage occurs.

 

And while mistakes do happen, I don't know that I'd compare anyone to Groupees. They are a special kind of stupid. :dunce:



#4157 spoderman  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 01:45 AM

We aren't going to get statements from BS. We're talking Star Ruler 2, not Grand Theft Auto V. We're all going to forget about it in a week when the latest outrage occurs.

 

And while mistakes do happen, I don't know that I'd compare anyone to Groupees. They are a special kind of stupid. :dunce:

We'll likely get some kind of statement from BS. They have to provide refunds, even if they're partial, otherwise their reputation is going to tank completely so they'll say SOMETHING lol. Oh, and don't forget that the IR twitter rep works for BS. I don't know what kind of job he has but you know that guy is a dumbass, comparable to Groupees level of stupid.


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#4158 FoxAssGamer   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20257 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:02 PM

The devs should have invalidated keys not yet sold and let people who already bought the bundle keep them. Simple as that.

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#4159 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5243 Posts   Joined 5.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:04 PM

The devs should have invalidated keys not yet sold and let people who already bought the bundle keep them. Simple as that.

Dev said the reason this wasn't done was because BundleStars wasn't willing to share that information, so all unactivated were invalidated.



#4160 spoderman  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:06 PM

The devs should have invalidated keys not yet sold and let people who already bought the bundle keep them. Simple as that.

 

 

Dev said the reason this wasn't done was because BundleStars wasn't willing to share that information, so all unactivated were invalidated.

Yeah that would've been preferable, but not possible according to the dev.


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#4161 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8242 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:40 PM

Dev should've went full retard and just invalidated all the keys and made BS deal with refunding everyone.



#4162 FoxAssGamer   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20257 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:04 PM

So how does that work then? How do the devs know which keys were activated? Or is there a feature on Steam that allows them to deactivate unless redeemed?

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#4163 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5243 Posts   Joined 5.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:07 PM

Publishers can check if key is used. I'm not certain, but likely there is. Other games have done it too.



#4164 FoxAssGamer   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20257 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:14 PM

I'll be honest, I don't tend to believe devs, unless groupees is involved. Believe the devs and they want you to believe they just randomly sign up for some bundle they know nothing about, send bundle site thousands of keys, and then the bundle site illegally distributes them and instead of taking legal action, the only recourse they have is this bullshit. I'm more willing to believe that bundle stars had their shit together and we're dealing with an unprofessional dev.

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#4165 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   2778 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 04:31 PM

I kind of agree with that. I think it ultimately boils down to a miscommunication between both parties, but something doesn't add up with the developer claiming to have had no choice but to go nuclear with all the keys. Passing that loss onto the customers as a way to publicly blame Bundle Stars was bad form. At the very least the dev should have issued a statement to let people know in advance that unredeemed keys would be invalidated or be prepared to issue new ones to bundle buyers who provide proof of purchase.

 

Has such an incident/controversy happened with Bundle Stars before? They seem like the best non-Humble retail/bundle store overall. Not saying they're infallible, but if Bundle Stars wasn't giving up info on which keys were sold/unsold I'd guess there was a legitimate reason.

 

My personal feeling? Developer got cold feet about the bundle after it launched (wanted a different bundle w/ a higher revenue split), tried to pull out, BS refused (citing contract terms), and the dev went to DEFCON-1. The contract probably wasn't specific enough to give the dev any other leverage.


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#4166 TrumpCat   knows more about being a cat than anyone, believe me CAGiversary!   4583 Posts   Joined 4.4 Years Ago  

Posted 21 August 2016 - 05:05 PM

I don't see how they'd have been in a bundle with a higher revenue split though. The Killer Bundle is $5 for 10 games. The only bundles that usually go for more than that on BS are the one specific game and DLC complete bundles or game collection bundles e.g. Star Ruler 1 and 2 together.

 

Dev's are full of crap, they misunderstood the contract. BS wouldn't/couldn't let them back out as the bundle was already live. Dev's stupidly revoked keys  Fuck ing everyone over. 

 

Steam really needs to stop letting keys get revoked for such trivial reasons.


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#4167 Modest Package  

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:33 PM

https://www.reddit.c..._bundle/d6s0lxq

 

At least they aren't ignoring the issue. We'll see what happens. Kind of want a couple games but not really feeling it after the shenanigans.



#4168 whitereflection   Shake well before serving CAGiversary!   5134 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:14 PM

The issue has been resolved and the devs said that Bundlestars has been given replacement keys for Star Ruler 2. I'd assume that if you didn't already buy the bundle, you're stuck with just the 9 games at 50 cents cheaper.



#4169 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5243 Posts   Joined 5.5 Years Ago  

Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:16 PM

and they still didn't change EU price. One of best games removed and only 20 cents less.

 

That's 5€ saved I guess...



#4170 Modest Package  

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:35 PM

Yeah, removing a headliner and adjusting for unit price isn't compelling. Need BundleStars to play ball a little here, or hopefully Tremor will come through.