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GOP’s hideous strategy to survive as the “white party”


#1 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6054 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 April 2014 - 12:05 PM

Salon has an excellent summary of the recent moves to restricting voting with paltry or non existent justification:

 

 

Three stories in the last three days brought into focus exactly how Republicans plan to tough out the demographic extinction that is eventually coming for them, if they remain a 90 percent white party in a country that will be less than half white within 25 years. One, they’re doing as Wisconsin did, and ramming through voting restrictions in states controlled by Republicans. As the New York Times reported Sunday, Wisconsin is only one of nine states have made it harder to vote since Obama’s re-election (18 states had already made it tougher after he won the first time, according to the Brennan Center).

 

 


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#2 irideabike   no show CAGiversary!   6027 Posts   Joined 6.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 01:27 PM

Yes clearly this is the GOP's plan.  Ban minorities from everything.  You're a moron.


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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:59 PM

Black people can't get IDs?



#4 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36384 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:25 PM

^ someone has an opinion on the article.

 

(that same someone didn't read the article. fucking shocker.)


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#5 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6054 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 April 2014 - 08:16 PM

http://www.slate.com...s_nonsense.html

 

The fact that some communities have a greater demand for voting than others reduces Grothman’s logic to obvious nonsense. To wit, under the constraints established by the new law, voters in the cities and large suburbs of Wisconsin are at a disadvantage compared to their rural counterparts. For example, Republicans have limited total early voting time to 45 hours during the week. In order to accommodate the number of early voters in 2012 under that time limit, explained Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, you’d have to have a voter cast a ballot every nine seconds. Areas with fewer voters, of course, would have an easier time.


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#6 soonersfan60   Longing for retro CAG... CAGiversary!   3682 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 09:03 PM

http://townhall.com/...rolina-n1818137

 

And for balance...so that no one's head explodes...

http://www.msnbc.com...a-not-so-fast-0



#7 usickenme   I'm the a-hole CAGiversary!   2498 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:15 PM

It's not hard....The more people the vote = better for Dems. The less people that vote = better for GOP. Think about that for a while. 



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 10:37 PM

Why aren't non-whites interested in primaries and non-presidential elections?



#9 bigdaddybruce44   Murders & Executions CAGiversary!   13288 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:03 AM

Black people can't get IDs?

Been asking this for a long time. I understand people being against things like early voting restrictions, but I still have yet to hear a logical argument as to why being asked for identification hurts someone's ability to vote. Besides, how do you function WITHOUT some form of identification?



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 04:03 AM

People in poverty need ID to get their social services, even their reduced fare bus pass. That's in liberal Los Angeles! You need ID to get a job, which is what people in poverty really need, right?



#11 lilboo   Not addicted to WoW CAGiversary!   18235 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:16 AM

People in poverty need ID to get their social services, even their reduced fare bus pass. That's in liberal Los Angeles! You need ID to get a job, which is what people in poverty really need, right?

No, people in poverty need to be given the absolute bare minimum to get by in their everyday lives and then we can all pat ourselves on the back thinking we are actually helping these people. Who needs actual solutions when we can just take other people's money and spend it on a bandaid solution?
 

 

But I agree, I have no idea at all how forcing IDs to vote is suppressing a vote. I don't drive, but I have an ID. Why wouldn't I have an ID? It makes 0 sense. I've asked this during election season in 2012 when this was a big topic, and the most common response I would get is that "it's hard to obtain for some people". I don't understand how? It's not like getting a state ID is expensive. It's not. I understand it changes state to state, but I highly doubt state IDs costs HUNDREDS of dollars to obtain. In my crazy expensive state of NJ a non-driver's liscense is $24 + $6 fee. $30. If you are so bent on voting, and you can't somehow over a period of time come up with $30, you should focus your priorities on improving your situation. Sadly, the last sentence to the politically correct police will have me attacked. I'm sure I'm not being "compassionate enough" or "not understanding". That's fine, but if you are an adult and can NOT come up with $30 to get an ID that you need for A LOT OF THINGS... you need to really re-evaluate your situation and try and fix yourself.

I am very VERY open to understanding "Why" it's "so difficult" for some people to obtain. I would love to be informed on this. Tell me that in "these states" to get an ID costs $500+. Tell me it costs $200+! A few hundred I can somewhat understand it being difficult for people with low income to eventually save up and obtain. Under $100? Inexcusable. 

 

EDIT: I re-read it incorrectly. In NJ, it's $24 for a non-driver's liscense. It's $6 for that if you have a disability. Yep. $6 for the disabled. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:20 AM

No, people in poverty need to be given the absolute bare minimum to get by in their everyday lives and then we can all pat ourselves on the back thinking we are actually helping these people. Who needs actual solutions when we can just take other people's money and spend it on a bandaid solution?
 

 

Ever been to a "state" (i.e. benefits) building on the first of the month?


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#13 lilboo   Not addicted to WoW CAGiversary!   18235 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:25 AM

Ever been to a "state" (i.e. benefits) building on the first of the month?


Cute thread. Looked at the OP ID and couldn't imagine he'd be able to string enough words together to create a thread. Wasn't disappointed. Two posts, one being the OP and < 20 of his own words.

No, I haven't. I'm not sure where you are going with that?


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#14 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6054 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:25 AM

The links were mostly about restrictions on voting days and hours. Not sure why most of thethe focus is on Identification requirements.
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#15 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36384 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:39 AM

The links were mostly about restrictions on voting days and hours. Not sure why most of thethe focus is on Identification requirements.

Because:

a) people are afraid to read the linked article and discover something that would hurt their worldview

b) we live in a world where folks have so little shame that they'd rather barf out the prewritten talking points so-called "arguments" than engage in discussion.

 

This "I have an opinion, but I'm the opposite of well-read" is evident in the way people speak of needing IDs to enact Constitutional rights. :)


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#16 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6376 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:49 PM

ITT: Conservatives bitching about voter ID in a thread over an article that has nothing to do with voter ID.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

ITT: Conservatives bitching about voter ID in a thread over an article that has nothing to do with voter ID.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

Why would anyone read an article written by an apologist named Jamelle Bouie (seriously follow him on twitter and read other "reach" articles that he's published) that uses a quote such as:

 

The “uniformity” argument doesn’t make sense, either—but then, neither does the focus on in-person voter fraud, which doesn’t exist. Nonetheless, North Carolina Republicans cited fraud last year when—empowered by the Supreme Court’s ruling on the Voting Rights Act, which struck down the “preclearance” requirement—they passed a sweeping package of restrictions that cut early voting, ended same-day registration, introduced a strict photo identification requirement, and empowered independent “election integrity” groups to monitor polling stations and challenge voter credentials.

 

 

Absolutes are absolutely stupid and an agenda is an agenda.

 

 

Edit: People in poverty, that receive benefits, have no problem being first in line to receive their benefits on the 1st but can't find time to vote?

Ever think that maybe it's more important to the people that get paid to bring in votes then it is to the people actually casting a ballot?

 

And where is all the outrage from the people that are rabble rabble derpy derp "actually getting their vote suppressed"?

 

How about I make an absolute statement and say "it doesn't exist because the people that want to vote are actually voting".

 

All the lefties are doing is trying to lead a horse to water that doesn't want to drink. And benefiting from it. Think about dat.



#18 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6376 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:20 PM

Why would anyone read an article written by an apologist named Jamelle Bouie (seriously follow him on twitter and read other "reach" articles that he's published) that uses a quote such as:
 
 
Absolutes are absolutely stupid and an agenda is an agenda.

I didn't realize that Bouie wrote all six articles linked in this thread.

As for his quote, are you saying that in-person voter fraud is statistically significant to the point of being able to swing elections?
 
 

Edit: People in poverty, that receive benefits, have no problem being first in line to receive their benefits on the 1st but can't find time to vote?

Ever think that maybe it's more important to the people that get paid to bring in votes then it is to the people actually casting a ballot?
 
And where is all the outrage from the people that are rabble rabble derpy derp "actually getting their vote suppressed"?
 
How about I make an absolute statement and say "it doesn't exist because the people that want to vote are actually voting".
 
All the lefties are doing is trying to lead a horse to water that doesn't want to drink. And benefiting from it. Think about dat.


Hmmm...it's almost as if we didn't have record breaking wait times and lines in the last two presidential elections...

But please, tell me some more about not wanting to vote.

edit: FYI irideabike does it better.
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Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:51 PM

I didn't realize that Bouie wrote all six articles linked in this thread.

As for his quote, are you saying that in-person voter fraud is statistically significant to the point of being able to swing elections?
 
 

Hmmm...it's almost as if we didn't have record breaking wait times and lines in the last two presidential elections...

But please, tell me some more about not wanting to vote.

edit: FYI irideabike does it better.

 

Right so people in rural areas... that have no transportation... that may have to travel 30 miles to cast a ballot have an easier time then people that have to travel three blocks.. and oh my god... spend some time waiting.

 

I would also dare say we had record breaking voter recruitment in the last two elections as well. I'll have to do a quick "google search" to see who won those elections and how they lean.



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 03:17 PM

Why would anyone read


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#21 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6376 Posts   Joined 5.8 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 05:52 PM

Right so people in rural areas... that have no transportation... that may have to travel 30 miles to cast a ballot have an easier time then people that have to travel three blocks.. and oh my god... spend some time waiting.
 
I would also dare say we had record breaking voter recruitment in the last two elections as well. I'll have to do a quick "google search" to see who won those elections and how they lean.


Citation needed.
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"Speaking of which, there's another elitist prick that argues constantly on the Politics forums by the name of dohdough. He's a complete douche, but at least he keeps his posts in that cesspool of useless opinions. He gets my runner-up nomination."


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#22 Spokker   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2164 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:09 PM

Voter ID is pretty awesome. I hope it's on the ballot in my state soon. I want to donate to the campaign to get voter ID laws passed and then a future employer can find out and fire me for not being committed to diversity and tolerance.



#23 bigdaddybruce44   Murders & Executions CAGiversary!   13288 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 09:59 PM

Instead of insulting people's intelligence and questioning their ability to read, I'd love if some of our far, far more intelligent CAGers could explain how people function in modern society without identification. You need ID to get a job, travel on an airplane, get past security in many buildings...I just really don't understand the big deal here. Everyone should already have some form of state-issued ID.



#24 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:06 PM

Instead of insulting people's intelligence and questioning their ability to read, I'd love if some of our far, far more intelligent CAGers could explain how people function in modern society without identification. You need ID to get a job, travel on an airplane, get past security in many buildings...I just really don't understand the big deal here. Everyone should already have some form of state-issued ID.


Easy, homeless people.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:13 PM

Easy, homeless people.

 

They were born homeless?



#26 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6054 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 10:31 PM

Instead of insulting people's intelligence and questioning their ability to read, I'd love if some of our far, far more intelligent CAGers could explain how people function in modern society without identification. You need ID to get a job, travel on an airplane, get past security in many buildings...I just really don't understand the big deal here. Everyone should already have some form of state-issued ID.

I dont consider it relevant. It is not illegal to be without ID, if there was a national ID card maybe.

 

But I was mentioning in another thread, it can be considered discrimination and is called disparate impact.


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#27 UncleBob  

Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:09 PM

Instead of insulting people's intelligence and questioning their ability to read, I'd love if some of our far, far more intelligent CAGers could explain how people function in modern society without identification. You need ID to get a job, travel on an airplane, get past security in many buildings...I just really don't understand the big deal here. Everyone should already have some form of state-issued ID.

Good luck. I'm still waiting for these same folks to explain how it's okay to require an ID to purchase a firearm - a right protected and guaranteed by the Constitution, but it's some form of evil to require an ID to vote, something not guaranteed by the Constitution.
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Posted 04 April 2014 - 11:17 PM

By the way, if you don't have an ID, how the hell do you register to vote?  

 

Instead of insulting people's intelligence and questioning their ability to read, I'd love if some of our far, far more intelligent CAGers could explain how people function in modern society without identification. You need ID to get a job, travel on an airplane, get past security in many buildings...I just really don't understand the big deal here. Everyone should already have some form of state-issued ID.

 

Because there is an entire segment of society that isn't working, travelling or have any need to get past security. They are prime targets for Democratic strategists because those people need benefits to survive, and the Democratic party are the folks that are going to give it to them for a price, their vote.



#29 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 03:11 AM

They were born homeless?


Maybe, maybe not. But I'd imagine when you're trying to figure out where you're going to sleep for the night and when your next hot meal is going to be that remembering to renew your ID ain't exactly what you'd call a top priority. But Fuck 'em they're poor, probably only homeless cause they're too lazy anyway, right?

#30 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36384 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

Posted 05 April 2014 - 03:53 AM

Only people who own land should vote, right, fellas?


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