CAGcast #365: Heterodachi Life

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I guess you can listen to Wombat's other podcast, Uninformed Opinions.

 
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I wish there was a way to make the guy in Hearthstone say "Bread's Done!" instead of "Job's Done!" when you're out of moves.  (Right now I just imagine it's what I'm hearing each time)

 
I wonder if those digital Titanfall pack-in codes that came with Xbox One systems were added to the NPDs.

Nintendo put out this weird plug N play like console called the iQue in China previously. It played N64 and SNES games. My guess is they'll do the same thing again, but with Wii and Gamecube titles this time.

 
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Just when I thought Wombat couldn't be anymore annoying, he redeems himself by claiming a "video game company can't make a spiderman video game" because they're...French-speaking..? 

Ignorant comment of the century, right there.

 
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Koubiak said:
Just when I thought Wombat couldn't be anymore annoying, he redeems himself by claiming a "video game company can't make a spiderman video game" because they're...French-speaking..?

Ignorant comment of the century, right there.
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The French suck

 
I'm with ya on hearthstone, Ship. I played it in the beta and solely to get a free mount in Warcraft (need to win 3 maches). I hated every second of it and did poorly as well. My first win also came from my opponent disconnecting! I was playing as a Mage and did awful. When I finally switched to a hunter, I got 2 wins almost immediately.

There is nothing worse in gaming than watching your opponent run down the play clock, even though they have no moves left.
 
The name of this episode should have been "Captain CAG man & Son"

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Wombat said:
The French suck
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but they make the best bread of which you speak

Ship- I've had a similar experience with Hearthstone. I suck and continually lose. Although I did enjoy making my way through the tutorial and look forward to the single player component.

 
Concerning the Titanfall sales numbers.  I am sure that since no one will report on the official numbers that it was far from projected given the info in the forbes article titled "EA Net Revenue Down, Releases No 'Titanfall' Sales Numbers" published on 5/06/2014.

Would publish the link but I am not allowed to just yet.

 
Bioshock Infinite sold over four million copies, but it didn't get to five million, let alone six.

But I don't think Titanfall cost as much to develop.  BI was in development for five years with a huge staff, including a lot of experienced and expensive names.

 
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I think you need to have Wombat wear one of these on his head at E3: http://www.amazon.com/Veho-Muvi-Pro-Micro-Camcorder/dp/tech-data/B0037P5CAI/


Show Notes:
CAG #365

1:45 Hearthstone
8:00 Show Feedback
8:00 - Kid interviews
9:00 - Infinity game save transfers
9:15 New Releases
9:30 - Mario Golf World Tour
10:15 - Kirby''s Triple Deluxe
11:00 - Sports Friends
14:00 - Stick It To the Man
15:00 - Bound By Flame
15:15 - Tesla Effect
17:15 Sunset Overdrive
19:00 EA revenue & high selling games that are considered failures
23:45 Captain Caveman
27:45 Amazing Spider-Man 2: Total Mess Edition
31:00 Assassin's Creed IV
32:45 Vita Borderlands 2 bundle
33:15 Nintendo financials, Nintendo Skyfinityfigures
42:45 Tomodatchi Life controversy
54:00 Unreal Tournament 4
55:00 Elder Scrolls Online (consoles) delayed
58:00 Harmonix Amplitude kickstarter
1:04:45 Cag's E3 schedule / Game Show
1:12:30 Cagbag/Hypewagon: NHL 15
1:14:30 Record Run
1:15:45 Amazon Fire
1:17:45 Game journalists
 
Thanks for the show fellas!  You've achieved a years worth of daily listening.  

SPECIAL REQUEST:  I would like one of you guys to spend some hands on time with Stick It To The Man before the next show.  I was--admittedly--underwhelmed and disappointed when it was announced as this month's PS4 PS+ freebie mostly because the PS4 was getting a lot of indy titles while the PS3 and Vita were landing AAAs; however, I watched the launch trailer and WOW Stick It could be one of the greatest modern platformers not named Rayman.  The launch trailer is the greatest videogame launch teaser trailer I've ever seen!!  

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPae_q66Rw

 
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I was as bad at Hearthstone as Shipwreck for the first two to three weeks. No idea why I stuck with it, but I had just enough fun to keep pecking away at it. I earned enough for a few packs, made some custom decks, and at some point it turned a corner. I went from losing all but one or two matches to winning 2/3 of the time. Making sure I had plenty of taunt cards and ways to buff minions helped, but the biggest thing was that I switched focus from attacking the hero to taking out opposing minions. Control the board and victory will follow.

 
easper said:
the biggest thing was that I switched focus from attacking the hero to taking out opposing minions. Control the board and victory will follow.
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This is the best advice for new Hearthstoners. 90% of the time that you think going to the face instead of a minion is the right play, it ISN'T. Board control is king.

 
BetaDemo said:
Thanks for the show fellas! You've achieved a years worth of daily listening.

SPECIAL REQUEST: I would like one of you guys to spend some hands on time with Stick It To The Man before the next show. I was--admittedly--underwhelmed and disappointed when it was announced as this month's PS4 PS+ freebie mostly because the PS4 was getting a lot of indy titles while the PS3 and Vita were landing AAAs; however, I watched the launch trailer and WOW Stick It could be one of the greatest modern platformers not named Rayman. The launch trailer is the greatest videogame launch teaser trailer I've ever seen!!
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I put about 2 hours into the game. I would say that it's more in the style of a point-and-click adventure than a pure platformer. There is a LOT of dialog, and the platforming is mostly moving from point a to point b. With that said, it is a lot of fun.

 
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That was the best intro in the last 100 podcasts.

My favorite part of the podcast was when Wombat's kids didn't interrupt it. I can't remember the last time that happened.
 
As a finance student, I got excited when you guys started talking about EA's stock. It seems that Cheapy was unsure of why their stock jumped despite the fall in net revenue quarter over quarter. Stock pricing has to do with expectations and both net revenue and net income came in above where expected even if less than the same quarter of 2013. Also, EA's management increased their expectations of net income for the upcoming fiscal year.

 
Saddened that no one knew about the Pokemon Rumble U Figures that Nintendo did last year.  While nowhere near the size/demand of Skylanders (probably because it was a limited run & gamestop exclusive) it definitely showed that there is a demand for it as the blind-packaged pokeballs are going for 3-5x the SRP currently. 

 
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Bezerker said:
Saddened that no one knew about the Pokemon Rumble U Figures that Nintendo did last year. While nowhere near the size/demand of Skylanders (probably because it was a limited run & gamestop exclusive) it definitely showed that there is a demand for it as the blind-packaged pokeballs are going for 3-5x the SRP currently.
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We all actually knew about that, but it was such a limited scope venture that it didn't fit into the conversation we were having.

 
Am I the only one that felt weird when wombat was talking about Japan/Japanese people?

Maybe went a little too far there...

I understand that SOME (definitely not all) Japanese are "behind the times", but no need to call the whole country "stupid".
 
Surprised there was no mention of Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby coming this fall. I forget, were you guys just not fans of X and Y when they came out, or did it just miss the packed agenda this time around?

 
Great show name.
It sounds like shipwreck just doesn't want to play a mobile game that requires 100% of his attention, referring to hearthstone of course.

 
Koubiak said:
Oh yeah, blame Sony for not giving away free AAA titles on a 6-month old system...
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Yes I'm pointing the finger at Sony 100% once they made the business decision to REQUIRE PS+ for PS4 users to play online multiplayer ok then they'd better provide an equal service across all platforms or that discrepancy is going to be noticed. It's not like Knack or Killzone are still selling copies hand over fist 6 months post release you'll find games like those in the $20 dollar bargain bin.

@skadave

Thanks for the impressions. I've downloaded it but haven't had time to give Stick It a playsession yet so everything I know about it is what's shown in the trailer.

 
Wombat the typical Liberal hypocrite, white knight for gay people and "oppressed" group du jour but has no problem calling Japanese stupid and saying the French suck.  

Incase its not clear Liberal are hypocrites because they act offended when certain groups are brought up but have no problem talking crap about others all under the fake and hypocritical umbrella of "inclusiveness".  

 
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Wombat the typical Liberal hypocrite, white knight for gay people and "oppressed" group du jour but has no problem calling Japanese stupid and saying the French suck.

Incase its not clear Liberal are hypocrites because they act offended when certain groups are brought up but have no problem talking crap about others all under the fake and hypocritical umbrella of "inclusiveness".
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I made a joke about the French and Japanese sexism is a real issue. Yet you have no problem putting all liberals under a hypocrate umbrella when it suits your agenda.
 
The only profound political/philosophical statement that was made on the episode was Shipwreck stating, "If we are going to start treating video games as an art form, we have to allow for things to offend people."  (paraphrased). 

If you're a law nerd, check out Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Assn., where the Supreme Court discussed this very issue. 
 

Full Disclosure: I would support having gay marriage in this game.

 
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Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.
 
Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.
 
Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?
 
Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.
 
Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.
 
Wombat said:
I made a joke about the French and Japanese sexism is a real issue. Yet you have no problem putting all liberals under a hypocrate umbrella when it suits your agenda.
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I don't have a problem because I don't pretend to be "inclusive", I hate everyone equally and believe NO ONE should get "special treatment". If someone were to make a joke about black people or gays you'd be talking up a storm but since its the French it's ok and because Japanese sexism is real and is differently culturally that makes it ok to call them stupid right?

 
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Maligna said:
Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.

Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.

Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?

Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.

Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.
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Then why is Polygamy not an issue, if I love two women and they love me and are ok with each other why can't I marry them? Again Liberal hypocrites. They talk about adults loving each other but never bring side with it when it's more than two individuals, this is always used against Mormons and yet Liberal don't have a problem in shutting them down.

Also in defense of Ship, heterosexuality is a normal evolutionary process that is NEEDED for a species to survive, homosexuality is not normal because in evolutionary terms it would be the end of said species. Just because we accept it culturally doesn't make any less abnormal from a scientific stand point.

P.S. I'm no conservative far from it, but I'm not a hypocrite to give special things to certain groups because the moment we do that then there is no equality for anyone.

 
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actripxl said:
Wombat the typical Liberal hypocrite, white knight for gay people and "oppressed" group du jour but has no problem calling Japanese stupid and saying the French suck.

Incase its not clear Liberal are hypocrites because they act offended when certain groups are brought up but have no problem talking crap about others all under the fake and hypocritical umbrella of "inclusiveness".
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This.

Although I am myself a pro-same sex marriage democrat, Wombat's ignorance is pretty obvious on a number of subjects, especially in this CAGcast. He's keen on using big words without really knowing their meaning, and the stereotyping...holy shit.

He's like the entirety of Reddit in a single body.

 
Maligna said:
Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.

Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.

Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?

Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.

Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.
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There are a lot of angles to look at in this. Financials for a company and how to maximize profit on their product. Artistic freedom when it comes to making a game. And then of course the inclusion issue. All I was saying was that you are going to offend someone no matter what you do.

Too often arguments are focused on one portion of the issue when there is lot more to actually consider.

 

actripxl said:
Then why is Polygamy not an issue, if I love two women and they love me and are ok with each other why can't I marry them? Again Liberal hypocrites. They talk about adults loving each other but never bring side with it when it's more than two individuals, this is always used against Mormons and yet Liberal don't have a problem in shutting them down.

Also in defense of Ship, heterosexuality is a normal evolutionary process that is NEEDED for a species to survive, homosexuality is not normal because in evolutionary terms it would be the end of said species. Just because we accept it culturally doesn't make any less abnormal from a scientific stand point.

P.S. I'm no conservative far from it, but I'm not a hypocrite to give special things to certain groups because the moment we do that then there is no equality for anyone.
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Holy cow man. Way to put words in my mouth. When did I say I was against consenting adults marrying more than one person? If they wanna do that, and it's ACTUALLY consenting then I have no problem. The issue with a lot of polygamy situations is that the women are coerced or even forced into it.

As for evolutionary processes making something "normal". Well, we evolved into what we are. And if what we've evolved into includes a portion of the population that happens to be gay, then you can't go around saying it's not "normal". It arose through evolutionary process, the same as everything else.



shipwreck said:
There are a lot of angles to look at in this. Financials for a company and how to maximize profit on their product. Artistic freedom when it comes to making a game. And then of course the inclusion issue. All I was saying was that you are going to offend someone no matter what you do.

Too often arguments are focused on one portion of the issue when there is lot more to actually consider.
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Well, you didn't seem to come at it very hard from the financials angle. It seemed to be more about not offending bigots.

 
Shipwreck says the amount of people talking about the new COD trailer (which he rightly points out shows only single player) shows there is still a enough interest to justify putting single player campaign modes in shooters like Titanfall. While I'm all for having the option to play single player, and I'd like to have a real campaign mode in the next Titanfall, I'm not seeing the connection he's making. Personally, I saw that trailer and immediately thought, "alright more future sci/fi type stuff in my multiplayer shooters!" We all assume that stuff is going to be in the multiplayer too and a lot of folks I know who were excited by the trailer don't have any interest in the campaign. 

 
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I'm with ya on hearthstone, Ship. I played it in the beta and solely to get a free mount in Warcraft (need to win 3 maches). I hated every second of it and did poorly as well. My first win also came from my opponent disconnecting! I was playing as a Mage and did awful. When I finally switched to a hunter, I got 2 wins almost immediately.

There is nothing worse in gaming than watching your opponent run down the play clock, even though they have no moves left.
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Yep, same here. I was invited to the beta, played the tutorial, and then closed it to never open it again since it's not my type of game. Then when the WoW mount came out, I gritted my teeth through 3 wins just to get it and then never play again. My first win as well was an AFKer. Some of my friends really enjoy the game (one of them almost got to the Legendary rank), so I recently tried it again, but I struggle against the AI opponents. 1-on-1 competitive games just do not appeal to me. (Also, a little correction - the mount came out after the game was already out of beta.)

mwmike11 said:
Surprised there was no mention of Pokemon Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby coming this fall. I forget, were you guys just not fans of X and Y when they came out, or did it just miss the packed agenda this time around?
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No, they don't seem to care much about Pokémon. I can't recall if Shipwreck ever played it, but Cheapy only bought X/Y for Tai, and was annoyed by it because it doesn't have autosaving and Tai didn't know that so he got upset when he lost progress.

I'm personally indifferent to the whole gay controversy in Tomodachi Life (a benefit of white male privilege, blah blah blah). But Cheapy, the "Gay DLC" you proposed would almost certainly piss people off. You probably don't remember, but there was controversy about The Old Republic when they previewed their content expansion having a "gay planet" because it felt like gays were being sequestered to one area like an exhibit. People were definitely angry about that. Locking gay relationships behind DLC would more than likely elicit the same type of response.

 
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Maligna said:
Holy cow man. Way to put words in my mouth. When did I say I was against consenting adults marrying more than one person? If they wanna do that, and it's ACTUALLY consenting then I have no problem. The issue with a lot of polygamy situations is that the women are coerced or even forced into it.

As for evolutionary processes making something "normal". Well, we evolved into what we are. And if what we've evolved into includes a portion of the population that happens to be gay, then you can't go around saying it's not "normal". It arose through evolutionary process, the same as everything else.
Well, you didn't seem to come at it very hard from the financials angle. It seemed to be more about not offending bigots.
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I didn't mean to imply you personally feel that way about Polygamy, I meant in general.

You are truly grasping for straws by calling homosexuals normal and a sign of the brainwashing by those with a politically correct agenda, by your definition people with down syndrome, missing limbs, conjoined twins would also be normal but they aren't why? Because that defeats the purpose of evolution, the whole point of evolution is for a species to propagate, and for the descendants to be stronger which is something homosexuals do not do.

Again, I'm not saying culturally they should not be accepted because they should but it should not be called normal because they are not when following untainted (politically correct) scientific definitions.

Also let's get back to games, if you would like to continue you can IM me.

 
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shipwreck said:
There are a lot of angles to look at in this. Financials for a company and how to maximize profit on their product. Artistic freedom when it comes to making a game. And then of course the inclusion issue. All I was saying was that you are going to offend someone no matter what you do.

Too often arguments are focused on one portion of the issue when there is lot more to actually consider.
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Thank you Ship for stating something that most seem to forget, " you are going to offend someone no matter what you do".

And for those that are offended by Nintendo, maybe you should be more concerned about things like those poor kidnapped girls in Nigeria that are going to be sold off as slaves to have inhumane things done to them, which I'm sure some have already experienced some horrific things.

 
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CAGcast listener poll: Which CheapyD obsession has became the most annoying to listen to - Apple, PC PC PC, or the newest one, Hearthstone?

 
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Maligna said:
Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.

Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.

Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?

Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.

Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.
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If our morality about sexuality is autonomous in the US, and it is. Then US society must allow everyone to be autonomous, and that includes those that think homosexuality is not moral. A disagreement about the morality of homosexuality does not make someone a bigot. You have to let everyone be autonomous if you want that to be allowed to be autonomous. Otherwise, by your standards you are a bigot as well.

Cheapy D and Shipwreck were right on the podcast- the gay marriage people do need to get over it. The NAACP didn't get upset that there is no black option in Super Mario 3D World.

Also, Wombat - It is not kind to ask Shipwreck about his personal views on the podcast and I don't think a real friend would do that to someone unless it was discussed previously. In addition, your xenophobic comments on the show and in this forum should not be tolerated just as other slurs should not be tolerated.

 
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If our morality about sexuality is autonomous in the US, and it is. Then US society must allow everyone to be autonomous, and that includes those that think homosexuality is not moral. A disagreement about the morality of homosexuality does not make someone a bigot. You have to let everyone be autonomous if you want that to be allowed to be autonomous. Otherwise, by your standards you are a bigot as well.

Cheapy D and Shipwreck were right on the podcast- the gay marriage people do need to get over it. The NAACP didn't get upset that there is no black option in Super Mario 3D World.

Also, Wombat - It is not kind to ask Shipwreck about his personal views on the podcast and I don't think a real friend would do that to someone unless it was discussed previously. In addition, your xenophobic comments on the show and in this forum should not be tolerated just as other slurs should not be tolerated.
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I think you are overreacting my comments about Japan. I wouldn't say xenophobic more based my personal experiance with the culture.

Also, no it is not OK to have a view on the morality of homosexuality. It is normal, it is not open for debate. If you feel differently no matter what you say, to me, you are a bigot. I can only speak for myself but if you or any one feels differently please go ahead and find a new podcast that better suits your views.
 
I'm just astounded by this whole thread. Everyone needs a few muscle relaxants to unclench a little.
 
Wombat said:
I think you are overreacting my comments about Japan. I wouldn't say xenophobic more based my personal experiance with the culture.

Also, no it is not OK to have a view on the morality of homosexuality. It is normal, it is not open for debate. If you feel differently no matter what you say, to me, you are a bigot. I can only speak for myself but if you or any one feels differently please go ahead and find a new podcast that better suits your views.
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Personal experience or not, why should you be allowed to make comments that are slurs?

Would you appreciate similar slurs against homosexuals?

 
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