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CAGcast #365: Heterodachi Life


#61 FriskyTanuki   I have a piano CAGiversary!   71044 Posts   Joined 17.8 Years Ago  

FriskyTanuki

Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:30 AM

I get the impression that you guys would rather Harmonix not have even bothered to revive the Amplitude IP since you're fundamentally opposed to crowd sourcing games that wouldn't otherwise get made. Harmonix has said that they're willing to invest $1 million into the game if it succeeds, but that doesn't seem to be likely at this point. I've gotten the impression that Sony is less willing to fund feel good failures these days, especially revivals of two games that sold to a very tiny, but dedicated audience in a genre that has returned to being as niche as it was back then. Sony knows how well those two games sold back then and Harmonix knows how well their Rock Band-branded clone did, which says a lot that both parties decided to put the fate of the game directly in the hands of the audience that has been demanding a new game for years now.



#62 just-joe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   134 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 06:10 AM

I wish people would just lay off Tomodachi Life. Never saw anyone whining about Harvest Moon.

I don't think anyone in Japan whined about it nor saw it as an issue it sold rather well. I suppose LGBTs have bigger things to worry about, like trying to be able to get married in real life.



#63 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3814 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 06:13 AM

I don't think anyone in Japan whined about it nor saw it as an issue it sold rather well. I suppose LGBTs have bigger things to worry about, like trying to be able to get married in real life.

I didn't mean people in Japan. I mean everyone on the internet. For the past 2 weeks, I see at least one article about it a day. xD



#64 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:22 AM

It would only be the end of the species if every member of the species was homosexual.  That is not the case in humans or in any of the other species where homosexuality occurs.  It's perfectly normal for some proportion of a species not to be involved in procreation.

 

You disagree only because you are a bigot.

I disagree because I have a brain and use it, unlike you and Wombat that can't tell the difference between something that is "normal" in a cultural aspect (as it should) and "normal" from a scientific one because of PC brainwashing.  

 

Evolution says every species should procreate, that is a basic fundamental of EVOLUTION.  If something does not procreate which homosexuals do not then they do not fit what is "normal" scientifically as once again procreation is the KEY cornerstone.  That we accept it normal culturally is a different matter but it doesn't change the fact it is not "normal" no matter how much PCtards who lack the ability to separate scientific fact with trying to not offend anyone.

 

For the record I have a Bachelors in Biology, Doctorate in Dentistry and still keep up with things coming out so I know what I'm talking about from a Physiological and Biological stand point.  This "confusion" stems from PC liberals "infecting" areas like Psychology (which views change all the time) and state them as fact.  When a book has in its preface stating "We should be sensitive towards others....." which is in a Psychology book I borrowed and returned after reading that paragraph, then it is no longer about looking for the truth (science) but pandering to the political views of that writer.

 

Wombat states that homosexuality is normal and isn't open for debate, this coming from an man who probably hasn't read a 1/4th of what I have on the matter from medical books and then calls people bigots for a difference of opinion (even though I'm stating scientific facts).

 

Definition of ignorant: 


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adjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject orfact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorantstatement.

 

Once again I'm not saying homosexuals shouldn't be accepted, heck I'm all for them being able to marry but let Polygamist marry as many as they want as well.  Like I said I'm not a conservative nor a liberal (right in the middle because both sides are filled with morons), but I just brought up the double standards of calling one group out and then saying that calling out a different group is unacceptable.

 

I'm not trying to disrespect anyone but I will go to town on someone who makes claims with nothing backing up their stance while I'm stating things written in medical books that have been proven to be fact.  Science should ALWAYS be about looking for the truth and stating that truth, feelings of people be damned.  Finding the truth should trump everything else because if not we get set back by people with agendas to benefit their own needs. 



#65 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:08 PM

Remind me never to do a podcast, I don't know if I could take the feedback.

 

I wasn't going to post, but reading some ridiculous stuff here, Wombat, Cheapy, Ship are awesome and I thought it was a great episode. Really enjoyed all discussions, and it was entertaining and interesting as always.

I believe I was the one that started everything, overall I did like the podcast but what got me started was Wombat when called the Japanese stupid but in the past would have a fit if anyone said anything bad about homosexuals even if it was in a joke.  That is a total double standard, just look at the mess with the Clippers owner yet no one has batted an eye with Michael Jordan saying he "hated" white people.  This is why I brought it up, Liberals do this all the time by doing the very thing they complain about and then try to reason it (again, this is something they bitch about Conservatives) because they believe their point of view is better than the other person's.



#66 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1100 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:31 PM

I disagree because I have a brain and use it, unlike you and Wombat that can't tell the difference between something that is "normal" in a cultural aspect (as it should) and "normal" from a scientific one because of PC brainwashing.  

 

Evolution says every species should procreate, that is a basic fundamental of EVOLUTION.  If something does not procreate which homosexuals do not then they do not fit what is "normal" scientifically as once again procreation is the KEY cornerstone.  That we accept it normal culturally is a different matter but it doesn't change the fact it is not "normal" no matter how much PCtards who lack the ability to separate scientific fact with trying to not offend anyone.

Where are the scientific studies stating that some members of a species being homosexual is abnormal?



#67 kaw   Want some rye? CAGiversary!   1594 Posts   Joined 17.8 Years Ago  

Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:43 PM

Wombat says (@ 54:00), "...people that are offended by it need to get over themselves."  Then get over it.



#68 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

actripxl

Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:43 PM

Where are the scientific studies stating that some members of a species being homosexual is abnormal?

If you need a scientific study to tell you that other than the basic concept of evolution as proposed by Darwin (who must be rolling over in his grave with that question), I weep for your future.

 

 

 

As I said before, to continue this IM me as this is for talk about games.  On that note, I can't wait for E3 and to hear the guys impressions on the announcements.



#69 cityside75   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   19 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 05:56 PM

Without delving into the politics/morality of the issues, I have to strongly agree with those saying that Wombat should REALLY stop making these conversations personal, especially in regards to Shipwreck.  I was really taken aback a few weeks ago when Wombat (in a mocking tone no less) chose to divulge Ship's "sexual history."  I had the same feeling this week when he put Ship on the spot by trying to pin him down personally on his views on gay marriage.  I think Wombat's made it clear in this thread that he has no tolerance for an opinion other than his own, so what was he prepared to do had Ship expressed a contrary opinion?

 

My uninformed opinion (with 365 episodes of the CAGCast under my belt) is that Wombat is insecure about being the butt of many jokes from Cheapy and Ship, and this is his way of "getting back" at Ship by trying to make him look silly and non-PC.  But please know that you're playing with fire and like so many other good things in life, a great show like this can be destroyed by overheated political arguments, especially when you are so quick to make them so personal.  You could turn off big segments of your audience or end up with axes to grind against each other.  So my request, similar to yours above is "Please Stop!"

 

I love the show and love all you guys, and don't want to see issues like this kill the CAGCast or change what makes it so great.



#70 dubbfoolio   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1765 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 05:57 PM

 

Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.
 
Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.
 
Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?
 
Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.
 
Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.

 

It's just nice to know even Shipwreck can be wrong, and wombat can be right sometimes.  I know guys... I'm scared too.



#71 RiceQuakes Classic   The One, the Only.....RiceQuakes CAGiversary!   3814 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:35 PM

They should just stick to games. Not the politics, religion, etc involved in the games. This isn't CNN. LOL



#72 Koubiak   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   92 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 12 May 2014 - 11:29 PM

They should just stick to games. Not the politics, religion, etc involved in the games. This isn't CNN. LOL

Wombat should stick to not sounding like a fool on every episode.



#73 harrymcback   Tippy Toes CAGiversary!   85 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

harrymcback

Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:32 AM

Hearthstone is ruining the CAGcast. All CheapyD does and thinks about is Hearthstone, we haven't had any mention head injuries, Tokyo American Club (TAC), bad parenting, body fluids, Deadpool reviews on the front page, or CheapD/MrsCheapy needing a job. Especially surprised at the last one since GiantBomb is hiring a new team member and it would seem to be a good fit for CheapyD.



#74 harrymcback   Tippy Toes CAGiversary!   85 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 12:33 AM

Shipwreck, check out PCalc for your iPad.  I have it for both iOS and Mac.

http://www.pcalc.com/



#75 JazzFlight   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   233 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 01:02 PM

 

Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.
 
Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.
 
Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?
 
Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.
 
Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.

 

Bingo.

 

Anyhow, just throwing my support for Wombat in here just so he doesn't think he's a crazy person after reading the comments in the feedback thread so far.

 

BTW, The Sims had same-sex relationships as an option since the original game in 2000.  No one really throws a stink over that series at all.



#76 BlueRock   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   92 Posts   Joined 10.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 04:49 PM

Right now, Patrick Klepek of Giantbomb is suggesting that MS should abandon the camera stuff for Kinect and keep the voice support, maybe with a cheaper device.

 

Which is what the Cheap Asses suggested months ago.

 

BatShip Industries should build upon this and create a proper consulting agreement with MS.



#77 Whipt   Do I have some on my face CAGiversary!   1305 Posts   Joined 17.5 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 04:56 PM

 

Concerning your talk on Tomodachi Life's issue with gay marriage, I have to take issue with some things Shipwreck said. He seemed to be defending hypothetical bigots even though people who find gay marriage disturbing or wrong weren't even a part of the story. It's not like there were a large group of people planning to protest the game if it added in gay relationships.
 
Shipwreck said that people wouldn't want to have to explain it to their kids. How hard is it to explain to your child, "Those two people love each other." That seems pretty simple to me.
 
Also when Wombat rightly said that anyone who is bugged by gay marriage should get over themselves, Shipwreck seemed to imply that the people complaining should get over themselves as well. Really? Would you say that to black people fighting for equal representation if you could only be white in this game? Would you say that to women, if you could only be male some other game that is supposed to simulate life?
 
Also, to Cheapy...I'm sure you were just trying to diffuse things, but it never helps to bring up marrying animals when talking about gay marriage even if you're joking. Animals don't have the free will, nor the comprehension to agree to a marriage. Other consenting humans do.
 
Sorry guys, still love the show but that discussion got me heated.

 

Personally, I took Shipwreck's comments as less about defending hypothetical bigots and more just confusion about the level of outrage a goofy Japanese game inspired and was trying to see things from alternate perspectives.  Of course if you are upset about the lack of inclusion of same sex couples in the game being told to just get over it is probably going to make people upset.  Much like Nintendo's initial response about the complaints I think it just was said poorly.

 

I do think the demands for the code of a 5 year old game that's being localized to be altered because of the cultural differences is a little much.  I understand the anger and why people might choose to not buy it, but realistically they're not going to do that because doing so wouldn't be technically or financially a viable option.  There are many Japanese games that have been localized with some things that would be considered questionable culturally in our country, and vice versa, and I'd rather have the option of buying them or not than never having the chance to play them.

 

Because of how deeply personal this conversation is to some people it's hard to have it without offending someone, like Cheapy's comment about animals.  Anyone who has listened to anti-LGBT zealots long enough has heard them equate homosexuality to beastiality at some point, but it seemed obvious to me that Cheapy wasn't trying to equate same sex marriage to people getting married to animals as much as he was just trying to say that if you make the game wildly over the top it'll be hard to offend anyone.

 

Some poor language might've been used for a sensitive topic but I didn't think any of them were defending bigotry.  It just seemed like there was confusion over the how heated the response became over a game that I'm guessing few had heard of prior.  I would've been more interested in hearing them discuss potential solutions to how Nintendo handled the PR side of things instead of uninformed guesses about how it might be fixed or why people should/shouldn't be offended.  When Cheapy brought up animals and Shipwreck was saying that people needed to get over it I groaned.  At that point I wanted Wombat's son to come on and say that Iron Man should be in the game, because at least that would've been something people would agree on.  The game would be better with Iron Man.



#78 Kuromimi   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   109 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:18 PM

Awesome show guys! Keep up the good work.



#79 whoknows   Time and Eternity for all of time and eternity CAGiversary!   40129 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:41 PM

Regarding Tomodachi Life, Shipwreck's comment was the best. Either buy and enjoy the game or don't. If there's something in it you don't like then don't buy it, Nintendo isn't obligated to add or remove anything. The gaming community has discovered a crazy sense of entitlement over the past few years. 

 

Not to mention if people can be upset about gay marriage not being in the game, can I complain if I don't believe in marriage and demand it be removed from the game? Or complain about marriage being depicted in a Christian way if I'm not Christian?

 

And Wombat's Japan comments...Wow. Everyone in Japan thinks and acts the same way. Got it.



#80 Wombat   CAGcast or nothin CAGiversary!   2385 Posts   Joined 17.4 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:07 PM

 

 

And Wombat's Japan comments...Wow. Everyone in Japan thinks and acts the same way. Got it.

The context of my statement, which I will admit came out harsher than I intended, was regarding female equality in Japan. I do apologize for not being clearer but I stand by basic sentiment. Next time I will be sure to say "some" or "many" as to imply everyone thinks the same way.



#81 Koubiak   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   92 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:14 PM

The French suck

And what about this statement? Did it come out harsher than intended, or is it another example of your prime sense of humor?



#82 Wombat   CAGcast or nothin CAGiversary!   2385 Posts   Joined 17.4 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:18 PM

And what about this statement? Did it come out harsher than intended, or is it another example of your prime sense of humor?

Prime sense of humor.



#83 Whipt   Do I have some on my face CAGiversary!   1305 Posts   Joined 17.5 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:47 PM

Prime sense of humor.

You'd think the French would have tougher skin by now.

 

 

Regarding Tomodachi Life, Shipwreck's comment was the best. Either buy and enjoy the game or don't. If there's something in it you don't like then don't buy it, Nintendo isn't obligated to add or remove anything. The gaming community has discovered a crazy sense of entitlement over the past few years. 

 

Not to mention if people can be upset about gay marriage not being in the game, can I complain if I don't believe in marriage and demand it be removed from the game? Or complain about marriage being depicted in a Christian way if I'm not Christian?

 

And Wombat's Japan comments...Wow. Everyone in Japan thinks and acts the same way. Got it.

Why wouldn't you be able to complain about those things?  There's nothing wrong with seeing a game and express that it'd be nice if the game would include options that you would like versus things you might not. 



#84 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1100 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2014 - 11:02 PM

If you need a scientific study to tell you that other than the basic concept of evolution as proposed by Darwin (who must be rolling over in his grave with that question), I weep for your future.

 

So there aren't any.



#85 itachiitachi   PC Gamer CAGiversary!   636 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

itachiitachi

Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:22 AM

 

 

Evolution says every species should procreate, that is a basic fundamental of EVOLUTION.  If something does not procreate which homosexuals do not then they do not fit what is "normal" scientifically as once again procreation is the KEY cornerstone.  That we accept it normal culturally is a different matter but it doesn't change the fact it is not "normal" no matter how much PCtards who lack the ability to separate scientific fact with trying to not offend anyone.

 

While I agree the Wambot is ignorant and closed minded, you are being short sited on this point. Homosexuality, occurs in many animal species beside humans there is actually a recorded case of homosexual necrophilia by a duck.

 

There are many behaviors which would seem to have a negative effect on a individuals reproductive success(self sacrifice, monogamy, sharing ect.....) but have indirect effects that outweigh the direct effects, anyone familiar with evolution should be familiar with these "apparent contradictions".



#86 Wombat   CAGcast or nothin CAGiversary!   2385 Posts   Joined 17.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2014 - 10:02 AM

While I agree the Wambot is ignorant and closed minded, you are being short sited on this point. Homosexuality, occurs in many animal species beside humans there is actually a recorded case of homosexual necrophilia by a duck.

There are many behaviors which would seem to have a negative effect on a individuals reproductive success(self sacrifice, monogamy, sharing ect.....) but have indirect effects that outweigh the direct effects, anyone familiar with evolution should be familiar with these "apparent contradictions".

Ignorant AND closed minded, in fairness I think it has to be one or the other.

#87 itachiitachi   PC Gamer CAGiversary!   636 Posts   Joined 15.0 Years Ago  

itachiitachi

Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:19 PM

Ignorant AND closed minded, in fairness I think it has to be one or the other.

No not really, ignorant simply means one lacks knowledge, being closed minded means one is unwilling to accept new ideas/ intolerant of others beliefs and opinions.

 

While it's not rare for and individual to only posses the one of these characteristics it seems more common that individuals posses both.



#88 Wombat   CAGcast or nothin CAGiversary!   2385 Posts   Joined 17.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:52 PM

No not really, ignorant simply means one lacks knowledge, being closed minded means one is unwilling to accept new ideas/ intolerant of others beliefs and opinions.

 

While it's not rare for and individual to only posses the one of these characteristics it seems more common that individuals posses both.

I meant me personally. Although I fully admit to not knowing many things, I do consider myself pretty open minded. If I wasn't I would have stopped doing this podcast long ago, I also wouldn't be replying to anyone. I can disagree with people without being close minded.



#89 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1100 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2014 - 01:11 PM

Bioshock Infinite sold over four million copies, but it didn't get to five million, let alone six.

I spoke four days too soon.

 

http://seekingalpha....call-transcript

 

 

Our fiscal 2014 results also benefited from the successful launch of WWE 2K14 and continuing demand for Grand Theft Auto IV, BioShock Infinite, which is now sold in more than 6 million units, and offerings for Sid Meier's Civilization V.



#90 BetaDemo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   261 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 02:05 PM

Our culture's future of a polyamorous gay French speaking Japanese feminist society is bright so long as the procreationistic procreators take us there.  Now let's all hold hands and set phasers to stun.