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#121 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:12 PM

I've made the "best US athletes don't play soccer" argument with my friends for years. Sure jumping high or running fast aren't all it takes and people 6'6" and up will probably still play basketball, but it's nice to dream. I'd love to see CP3 playing a Paul Scholes/Eric Cantona role on the national team. Perhaps Richard Sherman as Gennaro Gattuso?

#122 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 03:46 PM

I mean we talk all day on what other athletes would look like in soccer, but we have no idea.  I think MLS as a product is doing what it can, and the MLS's goals is not to develop youth soccer players, but to succeed as a business in the US market that does not consider soccer in the top 4 or 5 of sports.  When they get players whose names are recognized amongst fans that don't really pay attention to MLS they bring another way of exposing the league.

 

The Beckham theory isn't great, but it is working with more teams showing up in the league, 80-90% of the league is somewhat profitable, and the outlook on the league is good.  The more success and credibility the league can get, the more players we will see that will show interest for soccer at a young age and will want to continue as they grow up.  I know for a fact when an athlete excels at multiple sports they are going to choose the sport that they see the most success can come from in the quickest and easiest way possible.  



#123 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:47 PM

While the average player salary in MLS has been rising (it is a shade over $200k now) the bulk of the money goes to a few players. There are a whole lot of players making less than $100k, which after taxes, agent fees and misc other professional athlete expenses, isn't a lot of money. I'm not sure throwing millions at Bradley and $50k at the 12th man is the best way to grow soccer in the states.

I agree a lot work has been done to improve the league, but save a few exceptions, the quality isn't there consistently. I've tried to struggle through a few games over the years but it's been tough.

#124 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 06:51 PM

While the average player salary in MLS has been rising (it is a shade over $200k now) the bulk of the money goes to a few players. There are a whole lot of players making less than $100k, which after taxes, agent fees and misc other professional athlete expenses, isn't a lot of money. I'm not sure throwing millions at Bradley and $50k at the 12th man is the best way to grow soccer in the states.

I agree a lot work has been done to improve the league, but save a few exceptions, the quality isn't there consistently. I've tried to struggle through a few games over the years but it's been tough.

The key is the Northwest... watch a Sounders/Timbers game, pretty good.  But I agree.  I know that rookies who don't go through Adidas make something insane like 20K, and most have to get second jobs.  If I am good at multiple sports there is no way I go Soccer.  

 

But like I have said, what MLS has done is raise the interest in soccer a bit, helped develop some kids that came as a result of the 94 world cup, and brought the attention of teams overseas to poach kids at a young age.  Look at this world cup roster, how many guys bypassed MLS and are now being discovered.  I know a lot are products of living overseas, but I still think we can really develop a power by using this method.  If we can have another great world cup then we can see the sport overall grow in the states and continue to grow.



#125 kill3r7   MiNd ThE GaP CAGiversary!   4657 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:11 PM

Sounders/Timbers have certainly figured it out, at least from a marketing and fan base perspective. I read an article recently which stated that both the Sounders and Timbers would be in the top 10 in attendance if they played in the EPL. The MLS needs to copy their blueprint and apply it to other teams/cities but ultimately they need to figure out how to spend some of that money to acquire world class talent or at least top notch youngsters who can grow and develop in the MLS before striking it big overseas. 



#126 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:20 PM

Sounders/Timbers have certainly figured it out, at least from a marketing and fan base perspective. I read an article recently which stated that both the Sounders and Timbers would be in the top 10 in attendance if they played in the EPL. The MLS needs to copy their blueprint and apply it to other teams/cities but ultimately they need to figure out how to spend some of that money to acquire world class talent or at least top notch youngsters who can grow and develop in the MLS before striking it big overseas. 

Hey Seattle somewhat did that with Dempsey, I mean he is still in his prime and could have stayed in the EPL but came back.  I don't however feel that the MLS has the money to attract a Ronaldo/Messi in their prime



#127 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:23 PM

I admit those Seattle Portland games are good. But you can't create that atmosphere everywhere.

Atlanta is getting a team but the stadium location stinks for me. I will go to some games, provided the tickets aren't ridiculous. I'm sure Arthur Blank would love to have that loyal of a fan base. Atlanta is a terrible sports town though (I'm not a native).

#128 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:34 PM

Hey Seattle somewhat did that with Dempsey, I mean he is still in his prime and could have stayed in the EPL but came back. I don't however feel that the MLS has the money to attract a Ronaldo/Messi in their prime


Dempsey is on the backend of his career. Aside from Bradley, I can't think of one big name European-based player they've attracted while they were in their prime. Ronaldo or Messi on a free transfer would cost a team $28 million/year AFTER they pay the taxes. That's his current take home. No way does an MLS team have the stomach for that kind of money. Seattle doesn't spend that much in a year in total.

#129 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:36 PM

I admit those Seattle Portland games are good. But you can't create that atmosphere everywhere.

Atlanta is getting a team but the stadium location stinks for me. I will go to some games, provided the tickets aren't ridiculous. I'm sure Arthur Blank would love to have that loyal of a fan base. Atlanta is a terrible sports town though (I'm not a native).

FYI, I have looked across the league at tickets, every team only charges around $10-$50 for tickets.  i know that for $20 you can go to a Sounders game easily.  so that tells you it is actually affordable to go to games.



#130 kill3r7   MiNd ThE GaP CAGiversary!   4657 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:38 PM

Hey Seattle somewhat did that with Dempsey, I mean he is still in his prime and could have stayed in the EPL but came back.  I don't however feel that the MLS has the money to attract a Ronaldo/Messi in their prime

I don't think the MLS could ever get the very elite players in Europe but they can certainly be selective go after players who have fallen out of favor in Europe, the likes of Pato or Riquelme a few years ago. Ultimately, it all boils down to player development. If we can scout, find young talent and develop them the league will have no choice but to grow. 



#131 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 07:39 PM

Dempsey is on the backend of his career. Aside from Bradley, I can't think of one big name European-based player they've attracted while they were in their prime. Ronaldo or Messi on a free transfer would cost a team $28 million/year AFTER they pay the taxes. That's his current take home. No way does an MLS team have the stomach for that kind of money. Seattle doesn't spend that much in a year in total.

Dempsey is not as much on the backend as the other "stars" they have gotten in the past.  Those stars came here because they could not get as much money playing in Europe.  This wasn't about money for Dempsey as many felt he could have stayed in Europe and was very much wanted.  In fact a lot of people think it was a mistake because of his opportunities in Europe.  It wasn't like he was failing there either, he was very much productive, it was just the team he was currently on wanted to do some different tactics.



#132 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7600 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 08:56 PM

While the average player salary in MLS has been rising (it is a shade over $200k now) the bulk of the money goes to a few players. There are a whole lot of players making less than $100k, which after taxes, agent fees and misc other professional athlete expenses, isn't a lot of money. I'm not sure throwing millions at Bradley and $50k at the 12th man is the best way to grow soccer in the states.

I agree a lot work has been done to improve the league, but save a few exceptions, the quality isn't there consistently. I've tried to struggle through a few games over the years but it's been tough.

Thats the main issue. 

 

http://www.spotrac.c...eran-discounts/

 

Starts at 420k and goes up.

 

http://www.nba.com/n...ary_050804.html

 

Starts right at 400k and goes up.

 

Baseball

 

 

Q: What is the minimum salary of a Major Leaguer? 

A: The minimum salary for the 2014 season is $500,000.

 

Those are MINIMUM salaries. 

 

http://www.mlsplayer...lphabetical.pdf

 

Look at that list. Apparently you can see salary for every mls player. 

 

I have never really bothered to look at the numbers because I dont care much about MLS, but wow. No wonder american kids dont choose to play the sport. 



#133 bestkeeper14   Currently Playing Madden 16 CAGiversary!   4149 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:00 PM

Thats the main issue. 

 

http://www.spotrac.c...eran-discounts/

 

Starts at 420k and goes up.

 

http://www.nba.com/n...ary_050804.html

 

Starts right at 400k and goes up.

 

Baseball

 

 

Q: What is the minimum salary of a Major Leaguer? 

A: The minimum salary for the 2014 season is $500,000.

 

Those are MINIMUM salaries. 

 

http://www.mlsplayer...lphabetical.pdf

 

Look at that list. Apparently you can see salary for every mls player. 

 

I have never really bothered to look at the numbers because I dont care much about MLS, but wow. No wonder american kids dont choose to play the sport. 

Actually the minimum Rookie salary is 36,000... almost as bad as a retail or fast food job...



#134 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7600 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 30 May 2014 - 09:05 PM

Actually the minimum Rookie salary is 36,000... almost as bad as a retail or fast food job...

Wouldnt go quite there with that, but certainly no worse than you can do at an entry level job straight from college (company I started with at 22 was right at 30k a year in 06).

 

Yea that min needs to move well past 100k pretty quick. Issue is the TV rights aint worth shit. No one cares to watch MLS on tv.



#135 kdiddy1989   I make average CAGs look rich. CAGiversary!   2186 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2014 - 01:28 AM

It's the name game for me. The casual soccer fan has probably heard of David Villa, being the Spanish leader in goals and all. You hear somebody like that is coming to play in your league, then your interest rises.

 

I didn't start watching the MLS until Beckham came in 2007 and I'm glad I did. I'd now put it very close to the BPL as my favorite leagues in the world. The quality has improved big time since I've started watching it. And we have to result it to the big names as much as the young talent developing...we got more big names when Thierry Henry came over, Tim Cahill came over, Robbie Keane came over, so on and so forth. Keane was 30 at the time, Henry, Cahill, and Beckham were 32 and all were at points were they were still serviceable to European clubs. It's not like they hit a wall at 35-36 and then came for a paycheck.

 

Villa is in that same age group at 32. He was an important piece to Atletico Madrid's success this year. For him to leave now earns respect from me. He now has a chance to be a part of something big with NYCFC's inaugural season. Similar to Beckham when he came over to give the MLS a boost. I'm proof that his move was effective as he made me an MLS fan to which my love for the league has increased year after year. It excites me as a fan of the league because Villa coming over could do the same for others. That's where my excitement comes from.



#136 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2014 - 01:54 AM

I'm not trying to be an ass, but who are the young US talents being developed in MLS? Who are the young guys I should be looking out for to make a European move or will be a part of the 2018 squad? I really don't know because I don't follow the league.

#137 kdiddy1989   I make average CAGs look rich. CAGiversary!   2186 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2014 - 02:21 AM

I'm not trying to be an ass, but who are the young US talents being developed in MLS? Who are the young guys I should be looking out for to make a European move or will be a part of the 2018 squad? I really don't know because I don't follow the league.

That's not an ass move at all. In fact, I love talking about the MLS. I work with soccer fans who hate the league so my goal is to get them into it lol. Not specifically talking young Americans but youth in general when I made my comment.

 

However, since you're interested in American youth, I'd have to say Diego Fagundez from the Revolution and Luis Gil (who's already made a senior team USA cap) from Real Salt Lake top the list in my opinion of guys likely to make European moves and WC 2018. They're 19 and 20, respectively, and a blast to watch.

 

If we're talking good youth that will probably stay in the league for a few more years the list is endless. Deshorn Brown (Jamaican) and Dillon Powers came out of nowhere last year and killed it during their rookie seasons. Powers actually won Rookie of the Year over Brown haha. Definitely two guys to check out. They've made the Rapids a fun team to watch. Gyazi Zardes at LA is a nice young talent. My personal favorite young MLS talent is Jose Villarreal, also from the Galaxy, but he's on loan in Liga MX right now.



#138 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2014 - 11:57 AM

Thanks. I ooze sarcasm so I try to over compensate when I'm asking genuine questions.

#139 kill3r7   MiNd ThE GaP CAGiversary!   4657 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:05 PM

Lampard will be joining Villa at NYCFC.

#140 dmaul1114   Banned Banned   24688 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 01:24 PM

I'm getting pretty excited for the WC, despite the US having no chance of advancing this time with the group of death draw. I don't really like the move of leaving Donovan off the roster. Only hurts their slim chances, and whichever younger player made it instead of him will probably play little if any so not much experience gain. But he did mostly do it to himself with the sabbatical from qualifying etc., so it's a little hard to feel bad for him.

#141 kilik64   Carefree, Wherever We May Be CAGiversary!   7600 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:58 PM

Lampard will be joining Villa at NYCFC.

Sucks he didnt end career at CFC with epl title, but guy holds the record for goals, won cl, europa, couple FA, couple epl titles, and pretty sure a league cup, plus a community shield.

 

Legend....wait for it.....dary.



#142 kdiddy1989   I make average CAGs look rich. CAGiversary!   2186 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 04:17 PM

Lampard will be joining Villa at NYCFC.

This I like to hear. I feel a move like this, although we've been over this recently so I apologize for sounding like a broken record, will help our league draw interest from around the world or in this case, England mainly. I like it a lot and can't wait to see how they fill that roster out.

 

On another note, Mexico looked good despite losing Luis Montes and Rafa Marquez to injuries.



#143 billyrox   Old Man CAGiversary!   3399 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:33 PM

anyone else watching the US Turkey game?



#144 kdiddy1989   I make average CAGs look rich. CAGiversary!   2186 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 05:41 PM

anyone else watching the US Turkey game?

Of course! Brad Davis starting in midfield. Guess he earned it with those set pieces against Azerbaijan.



#145 kdiddy1989   I make average CAGs look rich. CAGiversary!   2186 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:15 PM

Interesting game from the US. Some things that I am thinking now.

 

1. John Brooks has potential. After the Ukraine game, I didn't want to see his name on the roster until after the World Cup. Klinsmann knows best.

 

2. Brad Davis should not start out left, but I did not feel any better when Julian Green was there.

 

3. Jozy Altidore is gonna get a lot of heat from people, but truth is he was our best player today. He played with tons of effort, made nice passes, and used his strength and size to put a lot of pressure on the Turkey back four. He just can't buy a goal right now.

 

One more game (and a scrimmage) left for Klinsmann to make his adjustments.



#146 billyrox   Old Man CAGiversary!   3399 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 08:44 PM

Agreed.  Just 1 week left.  Can't wait



#147 hpbbes   I typo'd my username CAGiversary!   1267 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:25 PM

I liked what I saw from the midfield, excluding the left side. In fact, the whole left side of the formation was maddening. Chandler was turrible in the second half (didn't catch most of the first).

#148 billyrox   Old Man CAGiversary!   3399 Posts   Joined 14.4 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2014 - 10:36 PM

What doy ou all think about our german Coach?  I've been impressed with him, but I was wondering what everyone else thought?



#149 kill3r7   MiNd ThE GaP CAGiversary!   4657 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:10 AM

Klinsmann is good coach who will do great things for us but I don't think it will happen this World Cup. 

 

Today's game was very entertaining. We looked good going forward but the defense was a bit shaky. Fabian Johnson was excellent today. His one timer was a thing of beauty. Brooks showed great potential and settled in nicely after a bit of jitters. I like the idea of him and Cameron playing together. The left side of the defense continues to be our achilles heels. Besler again had a shaky game. If this was a regular game he would have been sent off for that late challenge. Chandler continues to be an enigma. One minute he shows great pace and instincts and the next he looks absolutely lost. His lack of concentration will cost us dearly at the World Cup.  

 

I am looking forward to the Nigeria game. 

 

EDIT: Germany drew 2-2 with Cameroon.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 12:30 AM

After watching today's game it's obvious the US will have to just go all in on offense because I don't think the defense will be where it needs to be to stop Portugal and Germany. So I would like to see this lineup (doubt it would happen):

 

------------------------T. Howard----------------------

G. Cameron---J. Brooks----M. Besler---T. Chandler

-----------------------J. Jones-------------------------

C. Dempsey-------------------------------F. Johnson

----------------------M. Bradley-----------------------

-----------C. Dempsey--------J. Altidore-----------