CAGcast #369: Too Many Nuts - E3 2014 Super Digital Deluxe Founders Edition

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The crew answers your E3 2014 questions, talks Destiny Alpha, and so much more!
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The iTunes/RSS version of the show contains all the E3 audioboos, pushing the show over 3 hours.  If you prefer to download a file without the audioboos, you can do so from the soundcloud page.

https://soundcloud.com/cheapyd/cagcast-369-too-many-nuts-e3-2014-edition

The above embed does not have the audioboos.  They are below:

[audioboo]1255714-e3-2014[/audioboo]
 
 
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Show Linkage/Notes:
Intro:  Night on Disco Mountain -  Outro: Good Times Closing Credits
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I guess you can listen to Wombat's other podcast, Uninformed Opinions.

 
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Milk, nuts, milk, milk, nuts, bullet, soy, soy, shrimp heads, milk, milk, nuts. Bullet. (and one last bullet for your fucking brain if someone says milk or nuts again :twoguns: )

;)

 
I have to correct you guys, Kirby and the rainbow curse has a clay art style not a yarn art style. Also that Captain Toad: treasure hunter is an expansion of the levels in super mario 3d world, so we know it's an action puzzle game.

Great show as usual, just disappointing that the Nintendo E3 showing didn't change your view of the Wii U.

 
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Did you guys get a Witcher shirt?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/E3-2014-The-Witcher-T-Shirt-/271519354237?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f37d08d7d

or the Monster band?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/E3-2014-EXCLUSIVE-Evolve-Monster-Wristband-ULTRA-MEGA-RARE-/111383966060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19ef00716c
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Nope. I understand why so many people were stopping by Evolve asking if they had any Monster bracelets left now. Wombat got a bracelet from one of the other classes. Cheapy and I did not grab any.
 
Has Wombat tried playing Trine 2?  That's free on PS4 this month.  I downloaded it and plan on playing it this weekend in between Resogun (which I'm almost done with) and AC 4 (which is on the way).

 
You mean, a book by a company that sells pricey blending appliances espouses the health benefits of "chopping shit up" as opposed to just eating it in salad form? Shocking.

 
CAG #369

0:30 Magic-Nutri-Bullet
8:15 Watch/Don't Watch This:
8:30 - Need For Speed (don't)
8:45 - Lego Movie (do)
9:00 - Birdman
9:45 - R.I.P.D (don't)
10:45 Read This: Going Clear
12:00 New Release
12:00 - EA Sports UFC
15:00 - Sixty Second Shooter
18:15 - Tales from Space: Mutant Blobs Attack
18:30 - Pushmo Worlds
18:45 - Super Dodgeball
19:30 E3 Wrap up
23:15 X-men Days of Future Past
24:30 Wombat's Loot Haul
28:30 - Wombat's Turtle Beach X4 headset story
37:15 No Man's Sky
38:30 Nintendo relevance/WiiU
42:15 M.I.A. from E3? 'Who cares?'
45:50 NHL 2015
47:45 Most Exciting/Day 1 purchase
53:15 Destiny's jetpack
54:00 Xbox Fitness
59:15 The Road Not Taken
1:00:45 Battlefield Hardline beta
1:02:00 Peter Dinklage voiceover in Destiny
 
Good swag with good friends sounds like a good show. You guys didn't really mention seeing any of the console exclusives besides Nintendo's. Did you happen to see any that get you really excited (for the game)? Sony announced that Entwined was now available for download at their conference after showing their trailer. Do you think this really makes a difference in someone's desire for the game? With the rise in indies I think we're going to see this more often. But, just like Entwined this made me go meh maybe when it's on sale.
 
All Wombat wanted was a Gears of War logo? Done. It was there. At the end of the Xbox E3 press event they showed it in that montage of games. Super quick but the logo was there.
 
I recently watched a recap video of E3 2013 and (mostly) all I saw were games that still aren't out and/or just re-shown at E3 2014. I feel like I've already seen E3 2015. Besides the new announcements that won't come out until 2017 and maybe those games from 2014 will actually be playable then. I think the industry is just announcing games with unrepresentative trailers too soon. We got 2 logo's/trailers of Halo 5 + Uncharted 4 at both 2013 and 2014 and we'll see another at 2015.

Some examples of E3 2013 games:

Bayonetta 2, Below, Command & Conquer (was canceled), The Crew, D4, Deep Down, Destiny, Tom Clancy's The Division, Dragon Age 3, Drive Club, Dying Light, Elder Scrolls Online (console), The Evil Within, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Final Fantasy 15, Halo 5, Homefront 2, Infinite Crisis (in open beta now), Kingdom Hearts 3, Mad Max, Mirror's Edge 2, Metal Gear Solid 5: PP, The Order 1886, Project Spark (just beta), Quantum Break, The Sims 4, Star Wars Battlefront, Sunset Overdrive, Super Smash Brothers, Uncharted 4, The Witcher 3, The Witness, X (Xenoblade Chronicles WiiU), Yarn Yoshi.

I left out (a lot) of games that did come out because either they were shown at 2012, yearly rehashes, or it just hurts the point I'm trying to make!

 
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It's pretty disappointing to hear the crew gloss over Nintendo's E3 booth in the audioboos.  I guess the new game IPs and Amiibo figurines weren't intriguing enough to the crew, despite the fact that they are in love with Skylanders and Disney Infinity?  It's odd that the CAGcast is so dismissive to Nintendo, and yet when they're giving prime opportunity to at least see what Nintendo has in store for gamers they choose not to at least wait in line for a few minutes.  I'm sure that PlayStation and Xbox had lines they had to wait in too, unless they got to skip the lines thanks to Major Nelson for all of the other games as well.  There's a fine line between being disinterested in a game company due to their game styles/genres, and not even bothering to look at a game company while still claiming doom/gloom for them to the point of voluntary ignorance.

 
Even though I had already listened to the Audioboos, I skipped to the end and then heard the secret CheapyD message. I feel like I cheated for it.

I know you guys are ragging on Wombat in good fun, but I completely understand his fervor when it comes to the swag. I would totally be getting as many shirts as I could, because I would love to have them. But I wouldn't want to pay for it, either - I agree with Wombat in that a large part of the enjoyment comes from getting them free. So yes I want the shirts, but I'd never do something like pay for them on eBay. It's not the same at all. (Not to mention they are ridiculously overpriced.)

Battlefield Hardline can be described as a texture pack for BF4 being sold at full price. I expected it to be like that going in, and after playing it for ~10 or so hours, I definitely still have that impression. There's no way in hell I'm going to pay full price for it, if I even get it at all. I actually enjoy Hardline's premise of cops v. robbers more than I do the standard military stuff of the other BF games, but that's not enough to make me buy the same game again. Especially when you know they're going to have the $50 premium bullshit yet again.

 
bickle said:
Did you miss the 10 minute audioboo about Nintendo? Where they talked about the Amiibos that you mentioned?
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No, I did listen to it as well as all of the other audioboos. I'm just disappointed that the CAGCast's takeaway from Nintendo's E3 seemed to be solely based on their Digital Event video online that was "cutting in and out". They were giving the absolute prime opportunity to go hands-on with Nintendo's upcoming games, and seemly chose not to just because of a few-people-long lines. Their impressions of Nintendo's games at E3 were very one-note, whereas I think if they had played them or at least given them a few minutes chance on the show floor, their opinions might not have been so negative/indifferent. Their impressions summarized:

Amiibo: they're not action figures, no one wants Wii Fit Trainer and Kid Icarus, they did seem interested a bit but I'd think they would have wanted to see them in person, the Nintendo Treehouse video post-Digital Event further explained their uses although I don't think they watched it

Yoshi's Wooly World and Kirby: Grandma's grappling hook. It's not going to get Cheapy to buy a Wii U.

Toad's Treasure Tracker: Wombat messes around on the stream instead of discussing it

Zelda Wii U: compared to Skyrim since the CagCast played that so much, Wombat is interested in it, Cheapy is already doubting a 2015 release.

Hyrule Warriors: Cheapy tuned out for this game.

Bayonetta 2: Wii U doesn't have a Metroid game

Splatoon: Cheapy thinks they'll be lucky to sell 100,000 units, mocks Wombat for having hope for a new game IP

Mario Maker: why isn't it a 3DS game?

I realize the point of the audioboo is to have a short episode where you give your first impressions on game announcements, but the later days of E3 are meant to learn more about the upcoming games and see what experiences game companies are going to offer to their fans and potential customers. To simply leave out Nintendo (one of the major 3 video game system companies) from the discussion on what they showed on the show floor/booth is nearing being borderline biased against it. I'm totally fine with the Cagcast not being interested in Nintendo's E3 games (I'm not even fully interested in some of them), but to only judge Nintendo's new games on an Internet video and not at least go hands-on with the games on the show floor before placing judgement is absurd to me. Anyway, look forward to next week's show nonetheless.

 
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Well, in part that was Nintendo's choice, they chose not to do a full presentation at E3 and just do a digital event where a laptop screen with stuttering video has much less of an impact on the viewer than a large, theater-sized screen in front of an audience of "ooo" and "aaa-ing" attendees. For those already ambivalent about the Wii U that was Nintendo's one opportunity to hook them at that conference as everything else you have to go out of your way to experience it.

 
Media Molecule isn't making LittleBigPlanet 3, so they didn't lie about not showing anything at E3. You would've seen their balding head guy, Alex, talking about that game instead of Shuhei Yoshida if Mm was making it. They had people from Sumo Digital up there to play the game.

I'm not a fan of just putting 90 minutes or audioboos on the end of the normal podcast. Release it as a special E3 episode so it's more palatable than a three hour show where half of it is out of date at that point.

 
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nabor605 said:
No, I did listen to it as well as all of the other audioboos. I'm just disappointed that the CAGCast's takeaway from Nintendo's E3 seemed to be solely based on their Digital Event video online that was "cutting in and out". They were giving the absolute prime opportunity to go hands-on with Nintendo's upcoming games, and seemly chose not to just because of a few-people-long lines. Their impressions of Nintendo's games at E3 were very one-note, whereas I think if they had played them or at least given them a few minutes chance on the show floor, their opinions might not have been so negative/indifferent. Their impressions summarized:

Amiibo: they're not action figures, no one wants Wii Fit Trainer and Kid Icarus, they did seem interested a bit but I'd think they would have wanted to see them in person, the Nintendo Treehouse video post-Digital Event further explained their uses although I don't think they watched it
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Please understand, there are only 2.5 days when the E3 show floor is open. Our time for actually walking around and seeing stuff outside of our appointments was only about 2 hours spread across the 21 hours E3 is open. There simply isn't time to wait in line to try everything. We looked at all of the Nintendo games on the show floor and they all look like the next entries in Nintendo franchises. There was nothing particularly new that we felt we needed to wait for hands-on time with. The Amiibos were displayed in a glass case. I took a picture and sent it out. Not much else to say about them at this point. I'll play Bayonetta 2, Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, & Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker when they come out.

I really don't believe that Nintendo's showing is going to change many minds about the Wii U. They announced all the games you would expect would be coming.
 
shipwreck said:
Please understand, there are only 2.5 days when the E3 show floor is open. Our time for actually walking around and seeing stuff outside of our appointments was only about 2 hours spread across the 21 hours E3 is open. There simply isn't time to wait in line to try everything. We looked at all of the Nintendo games on the show floor and they all look like the next entries in Nintendo franchises. There was nothing particularly new that we felt we needed to wait for hands-on time with. The Amiibos were displayed in a glass case. I took a picture and sent it out. Not much else to say about them at this point. I'll play Bayonetta 2, Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, & Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker when they come out.

I really don't believe that Nintendo's showing is going to change many minds about the Wii U. They announced all the games you would expect would be coming.
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Fair enough, I figured you guys didn't have much time to walk around the show floor, as it did sound like you had quite a few appointments to look at some pretty promising games. I wasn't sure on which games you discussed were ones that you just played on the show floor freely, and which ones were scheduled in. I assumed you'd have a couple of hours each day to look around, but that was clearly not the case this time around.

I also saw those photos of the Amiibos in the glass case, and while I myself am not all that interested in them at this point, it would have been nice of Nintendo to further explain their uses in their games. Honestly they're probably figuring out the point of them for their other games still, besides just being used in Smash Bros. I can see parents being happy to know that they will be usable in more than just one game though.

As for changing gamers' minds about Wii U, I wouldn't rule out how Super Smash Bros. for Wii U to help sell consoles this holiday, similar to how Mario Kart 8 recently helped bump console sales. Both the PS4 and Xbox One are in a game drought at the moment, like how the Wii U was a year ago. I'd think that showing so many PS4/XB1 games at E3 for a 2015 release might push those gamers towards having a Wii U as being a secondary system to fill in the lulls of releases, like I do.

Intentional or not, that was a nice Iwata reference too.

 
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I can't be the only one who wants a Cheap Ass Pants spinoff where you guys shop for clothes whenever the three of you are in the same time zone.

 
shipwreck said:
Please understand
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Charting the "Wombat Concussion Sympathy Index"

After painstaking measurements by some of the best science minds on CAG, we can conclusively state that the "Wombat Concussion Sympathy Index" (WCSI) has a maximum of two shows and 25 days following an incident.

Evidence:

CAGCast #367 - recorded days after the accident, this podcast contained 14 inarguably awful jokes by Wombat. Every one received a hearty laugh by the co-hosts, and two even received follow-up prompts.

CAGCast #368 - recorded some 8-10 days and one show after the incident.  Out of the 8 incredibly horrible and predictable jokes Wombat made, all 8 received marginal laughs and 1 received a follow-up prompt.  Consistency remained full even though intensity of humoring chuckles clearly declined.

CAGCast #369 - Wombat's health and stamina were soundly mocked in audioboos, and at least 2 of Wombat's cringe-worthy remarks were met with CheapyD's customary and dismissive, "right", a phrase and intonation which had been absent in the month prior.

At no time in #369's podcast did Wombat's co-hosts entertain any of his inane non-sequiturs, and spoke over them on 2 clear occasions.  

We can now put the WCSI firmly at 2 episodes, possibly a 3rd without conference travel or personal contact during the period following the concussion.

Please don't ever change, Wombat.  We all love you.

 
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