Amazon Lightning Deal: The Legend of Zelda Box Set: Prima Official Game Guide 7/24 3PM EST

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Tomorrow (7/24) at 3PM EST Amazon will have a lightning deal for The Legend of Zelda Box Set: Prima Official Game Guide Box set. Current price is $107.99, no idea what the price will be, but just a heads up for anybody interested in it.

Edit: Thanks, oiskaio for posting the price, $79.99. And I corrected the date.

 
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RADa5AURU5 said:
Tomorrow (7/23) at 3PM EST Amazon will have a lightning deal for The Legend of Zelda Box Set: Prima Official Game Guide Box set. Current price is $107.99, no idea what the price will be, but just a heads up for anybody interested in it.
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Just to clarify was it TODAY 7/23 or is it tomorrow 7/24?

** EDIT ** It is tomorrow 7/24 and will be $79.99

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$80... that's a tough price. I mean, I still want it but then again, it seems like it was way overproduced and might go lower. 

 
I saw one review on amazon say that the guides don't come with the posters and other goodies they normally come with. Is this true? That could be a deal breaker for me

Edit: Looks like it does not come with the goodies the original books came with :[

 
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Y2JerichoHALic55 said:
Is this actually autographed by Eiji Aonuma or it's just a copy of his signature?
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Either way it wont matter. There is a reason why its a lighting deal, hardly anyone is buying it. Real or not its just a guys signature, and its not like he is signing it for you personally.
 
Yeah, they way over produced this. I had it preordered, and the closer it got, I canceled as it was still available EVERYWHERE. 

 
Preordered this and still had it sealed. I believe I paid around $80 at the time when there was a 20% off on anything sold by Amazon. Was fun time buying all those items that rarely go on sale (apple accessories).
 
Y2JerichoHALic55 said:
Is this actually autographed by Eiji Aonuma or it's just a copy of his signature?
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As of right now, there are 999 copies available on Amazon. I highly doubt someone sat there and signed 999 copies of something. And that's ignoring the fact that Amazon had a re-stock of this and I think other stores carried this as well.

 
Vinny said:
As of right now, there are 999 copies available on Amazon. I highly doubt someone sat there and signed 999 copies of something. And that's ignoring the fact that Amazon had a re-stock of this and I think other stores carried this as well.
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yea even walmart and target carries it as well as a dozen other places and all still have stock
 
Ugh i would do 60 still can't make 80 for something that will sit and collect dust. I do still want it but hopefully nobody buys it at that price either so it can go down more. Who are they fooling with that 100 dollars off? I don't recall this being anything but 108 on amazon.

 
Jeez what's all the complaining for $80? I bought this at just over $100 which is well worth the price in my opinion. At $80 each book is just over $13 and you get the awesome chest box and a sweet gold metallic bookmark. For collector's guides this nice that is a heck of a deal.

 
desertfox41 said:
Jeez what's all the complaining for $80? I bought this at just over $100 which is well worth the price in my opinion. At $80 each book is just over $13 and you get the awesome chest box and a sweet gold metallic bookmark. For collector's guides this nice that is a heck of a deal.
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As others have pointed out, a number of CAGs bought this and never opened it. Staring at $100 or even $80 that you spent on an unopened box on a shelf that you do nothing but look at on occasion isn't exactly a heck of a deal. In addition, it's not an art book and essentially it's just a third party strategy guide set that was printed in massive quantities. As such, some of us feel like $80 is still too much.

 
bojay1997 said:
As others have pointed out, a number of CAGs bought this and never opened it. Staring at $100 or even $80 that you spent on an unopened box on a shelf that you do nothing but look at on occasion isn't exactly a heck of a deal.
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The value in that item isn't in the everyday use, just like a piece of sports memorabilia sits on the shelf not being used. By your logic it wouldn't be a heck of a deal to spend $100 on a signed babe ruth ball

 
I never understood the point of this to begin with.  Who cares about strategy guides at all in this day and age, let alone for games this old?  I mean I've bought a couple, but only when they are like $5 or less, and even then it was only for the posters/art/ect that is missing from this collection.

 
I pre-ordered this last year, and got it when it came out. It weighs soooooo much! I'm not kidding, the thing is like a massive bowling ball when you pick it up. Not that surprising, considering that it contains several hard-backed tomes. But it is an extremely substantial package.

You don't get this one for the utility. Anyone with an internet connection can replicate the functionality with a quick trip to GameFAQs. This is a collectors item for display and style. And in that respect it is quite keen. The production values are very high, and the whole package feels solid and attractive. For any long-time Zelda fans, it is well worth having on your shelf.

 
Richard Kain said:
I pre-ordered this last year, and got it when it came out. It weighs soooooo much! I'm not kidding, the thing is like a massive bowling ball when you pick it up. Not that surprising, considering that it contains several hard-backed tomes. But it is an extremely substantial package.

You don't get this one for the utility. Anyone with an internet connection can replicate the functionality with a quick trip to GameFAQs. This is a collectors item for display and style. And in that respect it is quite keen. The production values are very high, and the whole package feels solid and attractive. For any long-time Zelda fans, it is well worth having on your shelf.
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I figured that, but if it's aimed at collector's why cut out the posters and extras? Isn't that by far the best part? I'm a pretty big Zelda fan myself and I still don't see any point in incomplete guidebooks. The only other possible market I can think of is some niche where people are hardcore retro and want to play through these games but get stuck and refuse to use the internet because they are oh so retro..... :whistle2:k or something....

The chest is cool I guess....


Matrix said:
The value in that item isn't in the everyday use, just like a piece of sports memorabilia sits on the shelf not being used. By your logic it wouldn't be a heck of a deal to spend $100 on a signed babe ruth ball
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Well, baseball signatures DO suck.... they are so hard to write on. Give me a signed jersey or cap anyday... but even those seem kinda pointless to display outside of a sports bar. I guess it just depends on what you are into....

 
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Matrix said:
The value in that item isn't in the everyday use, just like a piece of sports memorabilia sits on the shelf not being used. By your logic it wouldn't be a heck of a deal to spend $100 on a signed babe ruth ball
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That's my point. There is very little collectible value here because they produced far too many of them and it's just a third party box of books for old games. Indeed, nobody is even sure if the signature on this is real or just an autopen. At least an authentic Babe Ruth ball would have some rarity and potentially historic value. This is just a mass produced third party item that now they can't get rid of without slashing the price.

 
Was just letting other people in the thread know this is not real as people are going Ba and forth. And yes I knew it was not real before I purchased the set last year.
 
bojay1997 said:
That's my point. There is very little collectible value here because they produced far too many of them and it's just a third party box of books for old games.
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Well, is your objective to flip this eventually for a profit, or to simply have something related to a subject that you are fond of, that happens to be pretty nifty?

I didn't get my copy because I'm expecting to sell it at any point. I didn't collect it because I thought it was going to be rare or valuable. I got it because I love Zelda and I love books. These are very fine books. The content in them is solid, and presented well. The books themselves are very high quality, with fine binding and hardback covers.

Obviously a product like this isn't for everyone. If you're looking to speculate, look elsewhere. These things aren't going to bump up in price anytime soon. But then, the comic boom and bust of the 90s should have already clued everyone into the dangers of such "investing." If you just like the Legend of Zelda, and want a set of kick-ass guides for your coffee table, than maybe consider getting this.

 
Richard Kain said:
Well, is your objective to flip this eventually for a profit, or to simply have something related to a subject that you are fond of, that happens to be pretty nifty?

I didn't get my copy because I'm expecting to sell it at any point. I didn't collect it because I thought it was going to be rare or valuable. I got it because I love Zelda and I love books. These are very fine books. The content in them is solid, and presented well. The books themselves are very high quality, with fine binding and hardback covers.

Obviously a product like this isn't for everyone. If you're looking to speculate, look elsewhere. These things aren't going to bump up in price anytime soon. But then, the comic boom and bust of the 90s should have already clued everyone into the dangers of such "investing." If you just like the Legend of Zelda, and want a set of kick-ass guides for your coffee table, than maybe consider getting this.
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I'm not a flipper, but I am a collector who actually thinks about what I am buying before I buy it. To argue that as a collector I shouldn't think about how common something is strikes me as silly. If I'm going to spend money on something Zelda related, I would want something more unique than a box of books that don't even have the special additions that the original printings did. If you're happy with your purchase, that's great, but nobody should be critical of those of us who think $80 is still too much for this.

 
ThatOneGuyWho said:
Did you expect them to write a signature on every copy of this?
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Yes.... people sit around all day signing books at the ol' bookshop down the road.....

I don't know how many of these there are... but if it's as limited as Prima insinuated then yes, each one should've been hand signed.

 
rcerboss said:
Yes.... people sit around all day signing books at the ol' bookshop down the road.....
I don't know how many of these there are... but if it's as limited as Prima insinuated then yes, each one should've been hand signed.
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Urban outfitters http://m.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/m/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=31371933

And those are only a few of the name brand stores still having ton in stock not including the smaller independent stores. This was produced so much that it could be compared to a ubisoft CE in terms of production numbers and isn't limited at all. This will get cheaper either from amazon or another retailer
 
bojay1997 said:
That's my point. There is very little collectible value here because they produced far too many of them and it's just a third party box of books for old games. Indeed, nobody is even sure if the signature on this is real or just an autopen. At least an authentic Babe Ruth ball would have some rarity and potentially historic value. This is just a mass produced third party item that now they can't get rid of without slashing the price.
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Why is the collectible value, to you, so heavily tied to the number produced. That doesn't effect collectible value, that effects scarcity and monetary value via supply/demand. Limiting an edition size to add a false level of collector's value is kind of a lame tactic. I'm quite glad they made enough for people to own this odd set with no significant market to appeal to.

That said, it's Zelda. I'm sure that in, like, 10 years, this set will be long out of print and that there will be a bunch of nostalgic adults with the dispensable income needed to seek these out from third party sellers.

 
dreamer131313 said:
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Walmart http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=CTwCAO1vRU9L0IYOcpAPxl4LwCY7A0-oF5qzmhpwBtsPnh0oICRABIKuv-hwoBVCi6IOOBWDJ1ryI9KPAEMgBB6oEJE_QntHO9wo6-SQ6XIdR1Q-4CnHc1ctSN7tX9jxRhKUiZ1hovMAFBaAGJtgGAoAHtpTrHZAHA-ASzoDthM6Cw6Z2&sig=AOD64_0aDsgxAxctiIXaiUAPGEV9I9GfQQ&ctype=5&rct=j&q=&ved=0CBsQ2ik&adurl=http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/27097465%3Fwmlspartner%3Dwlpa%26adid%3D22222222228000000000%26wl0%3D%26wl1%3Dg%26wl2%3Dm%26wl3%3D41833582510%26wl4%3D%26wl5%3Dpla%26wl6%3D19880599990%26veh%3Dsem

GameStop: https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&ei=VVrRU8WkBM-MyATs34HoBw&q=The+Legend+of+Zelda+Box+Set%3A+Prima+Official+Game+Guide+Box+set&oq=The+Legend+of+Zelda+Box+Set%3A+Prima+Official+Game+Guide+Box+set&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.3..41.3316.3316.0.4082.2.2.0.1.1.0.305.577.2-1j1.2.0....0...1c.2.49.mobile-gws-hp..0.2.329.3.oJR_Wmor5sE

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Urban outfitters http://m.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/m/catalog/productdetail.jsp?id=31371933

And those are only a few of the name brand stores still having ton in stock not including the smaller independent stores. This was produced so much that it could be compared to a ubisoft CE in terms of production numbers and isn't limited at all. This will get cheaper either from amazon or another retailer
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Gotcha, I guess this isn't anything "rare" after all. I was under the impression that is was closer to that LE Hyrule Historia that only got a few thousand copies.

 
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What a steal! Had I known I would have ordered another set!

This is good not just for collectors, but just for having the guides. I bought as a collectors item for $107 back when it released, but I've ended up using about 3 of the guides so far.

Even the soft cover editions sell for $20 each. Having them in hardcover is so nice, with the chest and everything. I've ruined the collector's value with my greasy fingers smudging up the beautiful cover of the guides I've used, but I don't even care. I'm putting them to good use, and to me that's more important than sitting there looking pretty.

 
rcerboss said:
Gotcha, I guess this isn't anything "rare" after all. I was under the impression that is was closer to that LE Hyrule Historia that only got a few thousand copies.
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They made 50,000 of these.

Like most all Nintendo memorabilia and "rare" games, they sell out slowly, even getting steep discounts to clear out stock. But once they're gone, they're gone, and price shoots up on eBay within 6 months. Saw it happen with Xenoblade, saw it happen with Metroid Prime Trilogy, saw it happen with pretty much every 1st party Gamecube game ever made.

Make no mistake, these were over produced but not by that much. Again, there's only 50k. Once they're sold out, you won't be finding this for less than $200-300 in a few years.

 
jholden3249 said:
Make no mistake, these were over produced but not by that much. Again, there's only 50k. Once they're sold out, you won't be finding this for less than $200-300 in a few years.
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Not that much? When Urban Outfitters is selling this thing, it's overproduced by a wide margin.

People that wanted this have already gotten their hands on it -- fans and collectors alike. And it's still on sale. Anybody not biting at $180, or $107, or even the flash sale price of $80 is not going to pay $200-$300 for it down the line. They don't see the value for a bunch of hardcover guides at $80, and will scoff at $200.

Years down the line, at that point -- the game's themselves will drop in relevancy and so will the guides themselves.

 
jholden3249 said:
They made 50,000 of these.

Like most all Nintendo memorabilia and "rare" games, they sell out slowly, even getting steep discounts to clear out stock. But once they're gone, they're gone, and price shoots up on eBay within 6 months. Saw it happen with Xenoblade, saw it happen with Metroid Prime Trilogy, saw it happen with pretty much every 1st party Gamecube game ever made.

Make no mistake, these were over produced but not by that much. Again, there's only 50k. Once they're sold out, you won't be finding this for less than $200-300 in a few years.
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There are tons of old "N" products & games that have long since sold out, and are no longer produced, and can still be had at a very cheap cost in comparison to there original retail pricing.

Could this set go up at some point? I guess it could, but that will be ages from now, and by then, a great portion of those 50,000 buyers will probably be selling there's as well, so prices will only be "up" depending on supply & demand at the time.

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Not that much? When Urban Outfitters is selling this thing, it's overproduced by a wide margin.

People that wanted this have already gotten their hands on it -- fans and collectors alike. And it's still on sale. Anybody not biting at $180, or $107, or even the flash sale price of $80 is not going to pay $200-$300 for it down the line. They don't see the value for a bunch of hardcover guides at $80, and will scoff at $200.

Years down the line, at that point -- the game's themselves will drop in relevancy and so will the guides themselves.
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I think this is a more probable outcome to this situation^

 
jholden3249 said:
They made 50,000 of these.

Like most all Nintendo memorabilia and "rare" games, they sell out slowly, even getting steep discounts to clear out stock. But once they're gone, they're gone, and price shoots up on eBay within 6 months. Saw it happen with Xenoblade, saw it happen with Metroid Prime Trilogy, saw it happen with pretty much every 1st party Gamecube game ever made.

Make no mistake, these were over produced but not by that much. Again, there's only 50k. Once they're sold out, you won't be finding this for less than $200-300 in a few years.
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Considering I don't think I'd break a $10 for them, I'm not worried.

As for your comments on Gamecube games..... uh, no? Even the biggest ones like Wind Waker weren't going for much beyond $35 or or so, and that was before the HD port was announced. You make it sound like every GC game was Fire Emblem or the OoT port, when that's not the case at all.

Of course, sealed copies of OoP games will ALWAYS go for a premium..... with the flipside being that they often take FOREVER to sale at those prices. And even then, to use the WindWaker example again, I never saw a sealed copy that actually sold for anything over $100. Letting a game sit a decade just to make $100, even if you paid $20 for it, isn't exactly a good "investment".

 
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rcerboss said:
As for your comments on Gamecube games..... uh, no? Even the biggest ones like Wind Waker weren't going for much beyond $35 or or so, and that was before the HD port was announced.
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Check again. The second-hand market for GameCube games has spiked sharply over the past year and a half. And first-party titles are naturally the most expensive. Luigi's Mansion used to be a joke. You could get it anywhere for $15 or less, and whoever was selling it was glad to be rid of it. Now you see it for $40+.

As the GameCube closes in on its 15-year anniversary, the second-hand value of its games is beginning to rise. I would expect this trend to continue. Demand for the GameCube wasn't nearly as steep for quite some time due to the system's track record at sales. But those same factors make concrete copies of its games increasingly valuable as time wears on. And nostalgia is eventually going to wrap around again. A lot of kids who grew up playing the GameCube are entering their teens and twenties now. In another ten years a lot of those players are going to be the retro-game purchasers of tomorrow.

I'm not saying anyone should rush out and "speculate" on GameCube titles. This medium has always been a lot softer when it comes to re-sale, and attempting to make money flipping used games will always be a fools errand. But if you're a collector like me, it might be a good time to start looking at picking up some of those must-haves before the market becomes a gouge-fest. Thankfully, I started snatching up GameCube titles many years ago, and was able to get a lot of the best games at reasonable prices.

 
Richard Kain said:
Check again. The second-hand market for GameCube games has spiked sharply over the past year and a half. And first-party titles are naturally the most expensive. Luigi's Mansion used to be a joke. You could get it anywhere for $15 or less, and whoever was selling it was glad to be rid of it. Now you see it for $40+.

As the GameCube closes in on its 15-year anniversary, the second-hand value of its games is beginning to rise. I would expect this trend to continue. Demand for the GameCube wasn't nearly as steep for quite some time due to the system's track record at sales. But those same factors make concrete copies of its games increasingly valuable as time wears on. And nostalgia is eventually going to wrap around again. A lot of kids who grew up playing the GameCube are entering their teens and twenties now. In another ten years a lot of those players are going to be the retro-game purchasers of tomorrow.

I'm not saying anyone should rush out and "speculate" on GameCube titles. This medium has always been a lot softer when it comes to re-sale, and attempting to make money flipping used games will always be a fools errand. But if you're a collector like me, it might be a good time to start looking at picking up some of those must-haves before the market becomes a gouge-fest. Thankfully, I started snatching up GameCube titles many years ago, and was able to get a lot of the best games at reasonable prices.
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I don't think you quite understand what you read, or maybe it is I who is missing something? $40 for Luigi's Mansion (which I paid $50 for around launch, and I don't think ever dropped much below $20) is not comparable to Xenoblade or Metroid Prime Trilogy..... not that those were the holy grails everyone makes them out to be anyways. And like Jholden you are exaggerating.... looking on ebay RIGHT NOW I see plenty of Luigi's Mansion BiN's for $20-$30.... which seems to be more or less where the bids are ending up. Same with Amazon, the used copies seem to be sitting around $25-$30.

Just for the hell of it I looked up Super Mario Sunshine as well, which seems to be just a notch above Luigi's Mansion. It looks like it's in the $30-$40 area after shipping. No matter how you slice it though these aren't great returns, certainly not from an investment standpoint.

Hell, every GC game I've checked is coming up the same..... Double Dash, Pokemon Colloseum, Pokemon XD, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Animal Crossing...... The only one I see that seems to have jumped in value is Melee. That one does seem to be going for a nice bit of money.

Besides, if Nintendo ever gets competent at managing VC, GC will be available digitally. Maybe not on WiiU, but they'd be damn fools not to put it on the next console if they can't figure out how to get it on WiiU. I don't want to try this market speculation nonsense, anything can happen and like you say it's a soft market, but I wouldn't expect it to be much different than any other console. The only thing I'd say for sure is that it's not going to help the resale market.

 
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