Quinnspiracy Theory: The Five Guys Saga (Zoe quinn, Phil Fish an others)

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There is a recent uproar about journalistic integrity involving many indie developers as well as video game news sites

Above is a link that explains a good chunk of it.  Of course with this being the internet nearly anything can be faked and don't always believe everything you read/watch.

I was just curious of what the general CAG perspective was on this issue.  Thanks.

 
Even if you disregard the sex stuff, you've got a situation in which the gaming media is palling around with the subjects they are supposed to report fairly on, going so far as to post links to her "fund my life" project. 

You've got her sending a DMCA takedown request against a YouTube video that was obviously fair use. The uploader submitted a counter-claim and YouTube sided with him.

Now, when that comic book guy sent abused the DMCA to get a feminist blogger's critique of him taken down, it was highlighted on Chilling Effects and he was absolutely ridiculed everywhere and he eventually apologized. Why is it different here?

You've got The Escapist admitting they ran a favorable article on Zoe Quinn with "little evidence other than her words."

It should be obvious that any criminal activity, such as hacking or criminal harassment (criticism or satirizing her is not criminal harassment), but I'd say there's about 75% truth here that is worthy of being reported on. But that stuff actually helps their cause, because if one or two idiots does it, it insulates them from all criticism. 

They also mischaracterize the behavior of her critics. She claims they spread around her nudes. That makes you think an ex-boyfriend leaked them or she got hacked. No, she posed for softcore porn photographs and was compensated for it. 

Anyway, if Max Temkin's rape allegation from years ago is worthy of being reported on Kotaku, which isn't even video games, then so is this.

 
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floormat said:
There is a recent uproar about journalistic integrity involving many indie developers as well as video game news sites
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There's no such thing as a "video game journalist". As soon as you kids accept that fact, we can start to heal.

 
The video was interesting but as soon as the guy said, "Who knows, maybe Patrick Klepek slept with her", I immediately turned it off.  While I don't know any of these people, it's really hard for me to see Klepek cheating on his wife considering they just got married last year.  That destroyed the entire video's credibility for me.  I find Giantbomb to be some of the most reliable sources out there.

 
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Spokker said:
Even if you disregard the sex stuff, you've got a situation in which the gaming media is palling around with the subjects they are supposed to report fairly on, going so far as to post links to her "fund my life" project.

You've got her sending a DMCA takedown request against a YouTube video that was obviously fair use. The uploader submitted a counter-claim and YouTube sided with him.

Now, when that comic book guy sent abused the DMCA to get a feminist blogger's critique of him taken down, it was highlighted on Chilling Effects and he was absolutely ridiculed everywhere and he eventually apologized. Why is it different here?

You've got The Escapist admitting they ran a favorable article on Zoe Quinn with "little evidence other than her words."

It should be obvious that any criminal activity, such as hacking or criminal harassment (criticism or satirizing her is not criminal harassment), but I'd say there's about 75% truth here that is worthy of being reported on. But that stuff actually helps their cause, because if one or two idiots does it, it insulates them from all criticism.

They also mischaracterize the behavior of her critics. She claims they spread around her nudes. That makes you think an ex-boyfriend leaked them or she got hacked. No, she posed for softcore porn photographs and was compensated for it.

Anyway, if Max Temkin's rape allegation from years ago is worthy of being reported on Kotaku, which isn't even video games, then so is this.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa... pump the breaks. Let's discuss these pictures. (clears throat) Per chance, where might they be found?

EDIT: Oh wait, Nevermind. Just Googled the name and I can certainly do without.

 
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Part 2 of the "Five Guys Saga."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmy5OKg6lo

The part about Rock Paper Shotgun and their Max Temkin article is pretty damning.

 
This is indicative of what turned me away from kotaku in particular. You have a bunch of amateur social commentators who happen to play video games calling themselves journalists. They claim it's keeping the internet or the gaming industry in check but in reality it's all about them conflating their own ego trying to make themselves out as high intellectuals.

In reality, they've just managed to get a gig where they get paid to make glorified message board posts.
 
For what its worth this doesn't seem to so much be about a girl who may or may not have slept around this is about integrity.  Do you want to read about games on you favorite sites of choice or do you want controlled shovel ware?

Nearly everyone here either thinks msnbc is lying or of their rocker on most stuff or foxnews is.  That's in large part because most people think people are in the background on one side or the other shaping what we get to hear vs what actually happened.  Of course this is somewhat true on both sides.

From the gamers perspective we need to worry about this because this can and likely will affect what games we get to enjoy in the future.  Atari thought gaming was to big to fail and guess what happened in the early eighties.  If Nintendo didn't come along odds are none of us would be reading this thread on this site because it probably wouldn't exist. 

4chan, Kotaku, eck even ign killed the comments section of this story on their site...  ( http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/08/22/fez-creator-sells-company-after-hackers-expose-his-personal-info ) from what I have seen only http://gamesnosh.com/the-ugly-side-of-justice-total-biscuit-denounced-over-zoe-quinn-scandal-comments/ and here have an active unedited thread on this.  (and yes I know someone will be able to point out other site I haven't seen or didn't think of...)

edit - added ign link

 
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Wait, what happened to Phil Fish quitting games and Twitter? Now he's attacking TotalBiscuit too? Isn't the being attacked on Twitter thing the whole reason Fish went sour grapes in the first place? What a complete hypocrite.
 
floormat said:
For what its worth this doesn't seem to so much be about a girl who may or may not have slept around this is about integrity. Do you want to read about games on you favorite sites of choice or do you want controlled shovel ware?
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It's entirely about a girl sleeping around considering the fact is that the journalist in question never even wrote a review about her game, and the only article he apparently mentioned her game in was written before they allegedly did the dirty.

This shit happens everywhere, not just the video game industry...it's life. You think a doctor's never banged a pharmaceutical marketer before? An indie dev who made a game which is free sleeping with a games writer who wrote a non review about her game is such small potatoes that it's really remarkable how much it's being talked about. Is this chick a shitty human and/or maybe somebody with some problems? Possibly. But I really fail to see how this has any significant or long lasting impact on how the games industry will continue to develop or how an informed consumer will be able to make intelligent purchases.

 
RedvsBlue said:
Wait, what happened to Phil Fish quitting games and Twitter? Now he's attacking TotalBiscuit too? Isn't the being attacked on Twitter thing the whole reason Fish went sour grapes in the first place? What a complete hypocrite.
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I think Phil Fish is an interesting character. I don't knock him for being a renegade outspoken guy who feels he is telling it like it is. I've always been attracted to arrogant people who speak their mind (Howard Stern, being one example).

What I dislike about him is that when he gets it back as good as he gives it, he storms off and quits. Even if you take away the hacking incident, he has quit before when the criticism got too much for him. And once you consider the hacking, why wouldn't your attitude be to stand strong and not to let them destroy you? Quitting like this only tells hackers that their methods work.

 
Spokker said:
I think Phil Fish is an interesting character. I don't knock him for being a renegade outspoken guy who feels he is telling it like it is. I've always been attracted to arrogant people who speak their mind (Howard Stern, being one example).

What I dislike about him is that when he gets it back as good as he gives it, he storms off and quits. Even if you take away the hacking incident, he has quit before when the criticism got too much for him. And once you consider the hacking, why wouldn't your attitude be to stand strong and not to let them destroy you? Quitting like this only tells hackers that their methods work.
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Oh yeah, we're on the same page here. It's not his outspoken attitude I have a problem with. Granted his air of superiority because he made one hit game that suddenly makes him an indie expert kind of irks me but still I can tolerate that. No, it's his petulant nature when challenged in any way. He can sit and make fun of people all he wants but as soon as someone gives it back he turns into a 5 year old stomping off the playground claiming he was bullied by the internet meanies. Here's a hint Phil, you're just as much one of those meanie-heads as the ones bugging you.
 
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