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#106711 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5445 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 02:35 AM

I hope that was a "gift" too...

More like a curse, amirite?

 

(reminds himself he bought his brother this game for his birthday in November)  :fridge: 

 

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I got an interesting email from Humble a little while ago. It said that because Louisiana is now enforcing use taxes on internet purchases, they will have to charge me state tax on my subscription. Jokes on them (?) because I have an annual sub. 

 

Cool. Soapbox time.

 

I have a real problem with this concept. Inherent to the notion of charging use taxes for internet purchases is that a tangible good is being delivered to a place in the state from a place outside of the state and that the purchaser has effectively avoided paying sales tax on that purchase that would normally go to the state coffers by making said purchase out-of-state. At least, that's how I understand it from my non-economist point of view. This makes perfect sense when I'm ordering a book or a toaster or some other physical commodity from Amazon (which has charged state taxes for years in the case of Louisiana), but considerably less sense when I'm buying an MP3 from Amazon (for which Amazon also charges tax) or a digital game from Humble. There is no place that I'm going to go in the state to buy this intangible good in the first place, so there's no true loss of sales tax revenue in that sense. What's the rationale here, that I'd buy a CD with that music from a Barnes and Noble or hard copy of that game from GameStop if it weren't for that meddling internet? No, this is basically a backhanded kind of income tax from my perspective. The state's basically charging a penalty not because there is potential lost revenue in any real sense, but strictly because I'm choosing to spend money on anything at all. 

 

It rained on my soapbox so I'm going home. 


Edited by warreni, 04 January 2019 - 02:36 AM.


#106712 MysterD   38 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th) CAGiversary!   24382 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:09 AM

More like a curse, amirite?

 

(reminds himself he bought his brother this game for his birthday in November)  :fridge:

Yup, sounds like you hit the nail on the head.

Heavy emphasis on the "quote" marks around the word "gift."



#106713 headpiece747   I'm always angry CAGiversary!   2879 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

headpiece747

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:23 AM

SeasonalCAG I hope we feel like this forever, Forever, forever ever? Forever ever?:

 

I know I have made this idle threat before but this is the first time ever since Steam Holiday Sales have started that I didn't buy one game for myself.

 

Steam

Pizza Hunt! How to hunt pizza (And Not Die Doing It) x11 for TheHangOut brohs

Legendary for Barter.vg trade I couldn't find the key for

 

Humble

Sniper Elite 4 - Season Pass

 

Fanatical

Very Positive Bundle

The Sexy Brutale

Dex

Bastion

RiME

 

WTF

Dolby Atmos for Headphones

 

 

I guess for RDR2 can't wait for pc brohs to play this it's as good as I thought it would be upgraded to my Xbox One S and 1080p TV to Xbox One X and 4k TV for it.



#106714 JCAll   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1984 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:28 AM

The only things I bought from the sale was Trails in the Sky 3rd, which I got from Nuuvem, and a 49 cent picross game, because I'm a picross addict and have to get my fix.  Not a massive haul.  Oh well, at least I know I'll play them, which is more than I can say after most sales.

...

Or maybe it's because I bought a Switch instead, and that cleaned out my disposable income.



#106715 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8538 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:38 AM

This makes perfect sense when I'm ordering a book or a toaster or some other physical commodity from Amazon (which has charged state taxes for years in the case of Louisiana), but considerably less sense when I'm buying an MP3 from Amazon (for which Amazon also charges tax) or a digital game from Humble. There is no place that I'm going to go in the state to buy this intangible good in the first place, so there's no true loss of sales tax revenue in that sense. What's the rationale here, that I'd buy a CD with that music from a Barnes and Noble or hard copy of that game from GameStop if it weren't for that meddling internet? 

I think the rationale is just as simple as "you bought it and you live in Louisiana so that's how we assign the sales tax," whether it's a digital good or a physical one you're buying a product and as such it's subjected to sales taxes, I don't see the issue in terms of the rationale of the tax



#106716 IkedaTeramusa   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3148 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

IkedaTeramusa

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:50 AM

Honestly, I can't be the only one lookin' through peoples "Hauls" and being like "it was cheaper 4 years ago".  Can I?  I don't FEEL like I've become that pessimistic.



#106717 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5445 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:01 AM

I think the rationale is just as simple as "you bought it and you live in Louisiana so that's how we assign the sales tax," whether it's a digital good or a physical one you're buying a product and as such it's subjected to sales taxes, I don't see the issue in terms of the rationale of the tax

I think there is a difference between a digital item and a physical item. At the very least, if I'm receiving a physical shipment, the truck delivering that item is driving on roads in my state, polluting air in my state in the process, et cetera. It is using resources, therefore, that belong collectively to the citizens, and it's reasonable to expect that the state should receive some recompense. A digital item that I buy does none of these things. What you're saying might be the thought process at a store, and I get that, but it still doesn't make sense. 

You will be thankful several years from now when Amazon is not the only store in town and you still have other places to shop.   That is why the tax thing happened.  States don't want everyone shopping online and out of state to make their large purchases.  It was unfair business and it roundabout punished local companies that have a presence in your state.

 

No more loopholes or discrepancies.  People have to pay tax everywhere now.  Everyone is on an equal playing field.  I don't like it either (not being charged tax was cool) but I understand why it had to change.

I don't disagree with paying taxes on physical items, but nobody's buying a refrigerator's worth of digital items that represent money your taxing authority is losing. Therefore, my purchases of movies or music or games are not going to bankrupt any brick-and-mortar stores. You can blame Amazon for a lot of things, but the sale of MP3s is not causing local music shops to close. 



#106718 Mooby   Herp Derp CAGiversary!   10505 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:07 AM

More like a curse, amirite?

 

(reminds himself he bought his brother this game for his birthday in November)  :fridge: 

 

I got an interesting email from Humble a little while ago. It said that because Louisiana is now enforcing use taxes on internet purchases, they will have to charge me state tax on my subscription. Jokes on them (?) because I have an annual sub. 

 

Cool. Soapbox time.

 

I have a real problem with this concept. Inherent to the notion of charging use taxes for internet purchases is that a tangible good is being delivered to a place in the state from a place outside of the state and that the purchaser has effectively avoided paying sales tax on that purchase that would normally go to the state coffers by making said purchase out-of-state. At least, that's how I understand it from my non-economist point of view. This makes perfect sense when I'm ordering a book or a toaster or some other physical commodity from Amazon (which has charged state taxes for years in the case of Louisiana), but considerably less sense when I'm buying an MP3 from Amazon (for which Amazon also charges tax) or a digital game from Humble. There is no place that I'm going to go in the state to buy this intangible good in the first place, so there's no true loss of sales tax revenue in that sense. What's the rationale here, that I'd buy a CD with that music from a Barnes and Noble or hard copy of that game from GameStop if it weren't for that meddling internet? No, this is basically a backhanded kind of income tax from my perspective. The state's basically charging a penalty not because there is potential lost revenue in any real sense, but strictly because I'm choosing to spend money on anything at all. 

 

It rained on my soapbox so I'm going home. 

Yeah, the collection of sales tax for online purchases in Louisiana cost me about $100ish more to buy all my computer components.  Speaking of which if you're in New Orleans, and own a computer shop you should build me my system!



#106719 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8538 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:12 AM

I think there is a difference between a digital item and a physical item. At the very least, if I'm receiving a physical shipment, the truck delivering that item is driving on roads in my state, polluting air in my state in the process, et cetera. It is using resources, therefore, that belong collectively to the citizens, and it's reasonable to expect that the state should receive some recompense. A digital item that I buy does none of these things. What you're saying might be the thought process at a store, and I get that, but it still doesn't make sense. 

 

sales taxes aren't meant to be a reimbursement on wear and tear on the environment and infrastructure though, and even if they were, then the reimbursement is way overpriced in most cases. you're putting too much thought into trying to rationalize why there's a difference between tangible and intangible goods in terms of viability for tax. sales tax, like the majority of taxes, is just meant to be a way to generate revenue, although there are alternative primary or secondary motives for some, and as such the government would be dumb to tax physical items but not bother to tax digital ones, particularly in an increasingly digitized environment. 



#106720 weretable   I have long conversations with housecats CAGiversary!   777 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:43 AM

Meh.  I'll do a haul post just to show how dumb I am.  Also I want to point out that Nitro bought Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar and now he is required to both play it and review it for the rest of us. 
 
Spoiler

Edited by weretable, 04 January 2019 - 02:59 PM.


#106721 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8559 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:52 AM

My tax returns have asked about out of state (and online) purchases for over a decade.  So, while no one did it, everyone was supposed to be reporting and paying taxes on those purchases.

 

If people still want to not pay taxes on digital items, just move to a state without sales tax.



#106722 IkedaTeramusa   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3148 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

IkedaTeramusa

Posted 04 January 2019 - 02:14 PM

Who paid more than .05 for any background or icon?



#106723 DrR0Ck   Grammar Ass CAGiversary!   1747 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 02:54 PM

 

Meh.  I'll do a haul post just to show how dumb I am.  Also I want to point out that Nitro bought Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar and now he is required to both play it and review it for the rest of us. 
 
Spoiler

 

Sometimes I feel like I am the only one left loading up when there is a sale, and then I see something like this and I feel much better about my comparably few purchases.



#106724 Tibor   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   96 Posts   Joined 9.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:02 PM

If you want to actually take a look at the big big bigger picture, like you're suggesting, then look at our brick & mortar store economy and how much it has changed during the last decade.   Can you name all the stores that have closed?  Put the digital sales strawman argument aside for a minute and try to think how much web economies have drastically affected our shopping choices in urban areas.  It's pretty wild how much the landscape has changed in just the last 5-8 years.  It has been a direct byproduct of all the advantageous shopping online, my dude. 

 

Retailers can't even afford to pay their employees anymore.  Retail wages are not enough to live on.  Local and federal governments are trying to keep robots and computers from taking over all of the retail jobs. Commercial real estate (monthly store rent) prices are through the roof because the rich keep getting richer.  Most remaining companies are coalescing and merging.  More importantly, there is no official oversight over ANYTHING that is happening online at places like Google, Facebook, or any of the conglomerates that deal in personal information.

 

It's the wild wild west online and everything that is providing you your goods and services is becoming monopolized.  Consider your ISP choices for a minute.  Oligopolies are everywhere you look.  That should be a much bigger concern of yours than paying sales tax in some additional instances.  Even people in here can understand and attest to what has happened to the price of PC games since Steam achieved pseudo-monopoly status roughly four years ago.  Can you guess what was one of the primary mechanics that helped Valve get there?

 

The problem with pushing for online sales taxes, is it takes away the citizens' ability to protest high local taxes. Now you have no where to go. The growth of online purchases has many reasons but I would offer the main one being as a pressure valve on local/state taxes. As a kid in the 80s, California's sales taxes were like 6% plus half a percent or so depending on the county. My allowance went that much further when down at the beach two counties away from home. Now its up to 10% overall depending on county.

 

Most of the oligopolies that exist, exist due to local, state and federal government allowance of them or outright promotion of them. ISPs and cable tv are a prime example of government granted monopolies.



#106725 weretable   I have long conversations with housecats CAGiversary!   777 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 04 January 2019 - 03:02 PM

Sometimes I feel like I am the only one left loading up when there is a sale, and then I see something like this and I feel much better about my comparably few purchases.

I exist to make others feel better about their choices in life.



#106726 nny   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   457 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 04:54 PM

Slay the Spire added Steam Workshop support. Already put 150 hours into that game. Now I need to decide if I should dive into the user made stuff.



#106727 nitrosmob   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   9119 Posts   Joined 12.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 05:34 PM

I'm really ready for Slay the Spire to come out of EA....but eh. It's funny I used to like the warrior a lot, but for some reason I have way better success as the other two characters. Also for those who say the silent is only poison strategy are crazy. I'm a shiv guy myself most of the time. This game is awesome though. I doubt it will be bundled for a while too, so any sale is a good one for it.



#106728 Zipomatic2   Really, Really Cheap CAGiversary!   518 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 06:10 PM

Humble Bundle Jan 2019

 

Qube 2

Observer

Sundered

Wizard of Legend

Just Cause 3 XXL Edition

Project Cars 2

Regions of Ruin

The Darkside Detective

Roombo

 

Next Month...

 

Yakuza Zero

Tom Clancy's The Division



#106729 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   2958 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:04 PM

The next free game on Epic Games store will be What Remains of Edith Finch.

 

https://www.eurogame...pic-games-store



#106730 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5335 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:07 PM

Will they ever giveaway a game I don't own on Steam already. :(



#106731 07ron  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:20 PM

I enjoyed Edith's Finch. Worth a playthrough if you haven't had a chance to do so.



#106732 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5445 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 07:34 PM

sales taxes aren't meant to be a reimbursement on wear and tear on the environment and infrastructure though, and even if they were, then the reimbursement is way overpriced in most cases. you're putting too much thought into trying to rationalize why there's a difference between tangible and intangible goods in terms of viability for tax. sales tax, like the majority of taxes, is just meant to be a way to generate revenue, although there are alternative primary or secondary motives for some, and as such the government would be dumb to tax physical items but not bother to tax digital ones, particularly in an increasingly digitized environment.

You're probably right, but overthink things is what I do best. Well, that and start pointless arguments. A guy's gotta have hobbies, and they can't all involve c**-stained plastic boxes from GameStop. 
 

If you want to actually take a look at the big big bigger picture, like you're suggesting, then look at our brick & mortar store economy and how much it has changed during the last decade.   Can you name all the stores that have closed?  Put the digital sales strawman argument aside for a minute and try to think how much web economies have drastically affected our shopping choices in urban areas.  It's pretty wild how much the landscape has changed in just the last 5-8 years.  It has been a direct byproduct of all the advantageous shopping online, my dude. 
 
Retailers can't even afford to pay their employees anymore.  Retail wages are not enough to live on.  Local and federal governments are trying to keep robots and computers from taking over all of the retail jobs. Commercial real estate (monthly store rent) prices are through the roof because the rich keep getting richer.  Most remaining companies are coalescing and merging.  More importantly, there is no official oversight over ANYTHING that is happening online at places like Google, Facebook, or any of the conglomerates that deal in personal information.
 
It's the wild wild west online and everything that is providing you your goods and services is becoming monopolized.  Consider your ISP choices for a minute.  Oligopolies are everywhere you look.  That should be a much bigger concern of yours than paying sales tax in some additional instances.  Even people in here can understand and attest to what has happened to the price of PC games since Steam achieved pseudo-monopoly status roughly four years ago.  Can you guess what was one of the primary mechanics that helped Valve get there?

I'm not prepared to disagree with everything you say here, but I will say I think that this highlights the need for regulation at the national level, which our federal government has been weirdly timid about to date. 
 
Also, is the answer TF2 hats? 
 

My tax returns have asked about out of state (and online) purchases for over a decade.  So, while no one did it, everyone was supposed to be reporting and paying taxes on those purchases.
 
If people still want to not pay taxes on digital items, just move to a state without sales tax.

It's like this most places. That's why these laws have been passed in recent years in various jurisdictions. 
 

People flock to Gamestop in droves in order to buy cum-crusted used games for $5 cheaper.  This is a perfect example.  People have no altruism or ideals; they do whatever is the most convenient and the cheapest.  You mean for the better part of two decades I could buy games on Steam, not pay any sales tax, and not leave the comfort of my home??  The lack of online taxes led directly to the ultimate culmination of pc games no longer being sold at retail stores and Steam sales sucking.  I'm not saying it was the only reason but it was certainly one of the main, driving components.

Actually I pay $5 more for that. 
 
And I knew I would get the answer wrong.


 

Humble Bundle Jan 2019
 
Qube 2
Observer
Sundered
Wizard of Legend
Just Cause 3 XXL Edition
Project Cars 2
Regions of Ruin
The Darkside Detective
Roombo
 
Next Month...
 
Yakuza Zero
Tom Clancy's The Division


Hey, it's a good thing I've already beaten Yazuka Zero after I preordered it. . . er, wait, never mind.   :-  8-[  :cry:  :joystick:


Edited by warreni, 04 January 2019 - 07:39 PM.


#106733 gilby   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   4763 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 08:13 PM

I was out of town and on mobile only for the last half of the Steam sale. After barely beating the ice back home I had only about 11 hours left to see if there was anything I wanted to buy.
 
Not much there, as I'd grabbed the FX3 packs, HITMAN DLC, and American Truck Simulator DLC I wanted in the Fall Sale.
 
That said...
 
Quell Zen
FLOCK!
Depth Hunter 2 DLC pack
Dogfight 1942 Complete
Heart's Medicine - Time to Heal with soundtrack
Talos Principle: Road To Gehenna
a single Pixel Puzzles Ultimate pack (was hoping for a better discount on these)
And The Race DLC for Secret of the Magic Crystals.

So, yeah, mostly random small stuff that's been sitting on my wishlist but passed on previously.

I also received Assassin's Creed Odyssey as a gift/prize.

#106734 waabulo   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:35 PM

Hey Aspyr rep !  

 

I am not trying to be too difficult, but I really would like to know why the price of the season pass (SP) for Borderlands the Presequel is so inflated.  Even now on the Fanatical site, base game on sale for $9.99 and the SP is on sale for $13.49.  Why is the SP more than the base game?  It should be the other way around.  Even during the steam winter sale, to complete your collection for the "handsome Jack collection" it placed way too much value on the SP.  

 

I like your games, just not the pricing model.

 

Thank you in advance



#106735 aspyrbash   Pub Rep Publisher Representitive   53 Posts   Joined 0.4 Years Ago  

aspyrbash

Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:39 PM

Hey Aspyr rep !  

 

I am not trying to be too difficult, but I really would like to know why the price of the season pass (SP) for Borderlands the Presequel is so inflated.  Even now on the Fanatical site, base game on sale for $9.99 and the SP is on sale for $13.49.  Why is the SP more than the base game?  It should be the other way around.  Even during the steam winter sale, to complete your collection for the "handsome Jack collection" it placed way too much value on the SP.  

 

I like your games, just not the pricing model.

 

Thank you in advance

I'll see if we can get a better deal going.

Is there a discount/price point that you'd bite for?



#106736 waabulo   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1020 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

Posted 04 January 2019 - 09:59 PM

I'll see if we can get a better deal going.

Is there a discount/price point that you'd bite for?

To be honest, regarding the complete the collection if I had Borderlands 2 and PreSequel and only missing cosmetics from BL2 and SP from Presequel  - $5.  

If selling SP alone - should be $5 to $7.5 if base game can be on sale for $9.99.  Getting both together, the lowest price on Steam was $17.49 Nov. 9 2017.  I think that should support a lower price now.

 

Also, if you have any information about when Borderlands 3 is coming, that would be great.

 

Thank you



#106737 Mooby   Herp Derp CAGiversary!   10505 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

Posted 05 January 2019 - 12:12 AM

Wouldn't be surprised to see another Borderlands Humble Bundle in the future, this time including presequel in one of the lower tiers.



#106738 Mooby   Herp Derp CAGiversary!   10505 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

Posted 05 January 2019 - 01:03 AM

The next free game on Epic Games store will be What Remains of Edith Finch.

 

https://www.eurogame...pic-games-store

As this is published by Annapurna Interactive (like Ashen), I'm going to guess almost all of the free games offered by Epic are going to be ones whose publishers/developers are doing the excl0000000000sive rights deal with another one of those games.  That is, you can expect stuff like Rebel Galaxy, older stuff from Super Giant, etc.



#106739 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Nearing puberty. CAGiversary!   1450 Posts   Joined 4.9 Years Ago  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted 05 January 2019 - 01:16 AM

https://news.avclub....n-mo-1831496844

 

I patiently await tomorrow's Half-Life 3 announcement.



#106740 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8538 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 05 January 2019 - 01:21 AM

If anybody is looking for a way to liven up the original Dark Souls, a mod just released that restores cut content, changes bonfire locations, even apparently adds boss fights and enemies, etc.

 

https://www.gamerevo...aughters-of-ash