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#107341 Tibor   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   149 Posts   Joined 10.1 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 01:45 PM

I mean, maybe my take on the situation is completely wrong, but there's more than one way to react to something than "ermagerd DAE EPIC BAD! EA BAD!! BLIZZ BAD!!!!"

True, yet almost all of these store fronts/launchers have had rocky launches, some still not improving much. Blizzard's launcher was the least annoying if I remember right. The main problem they had was using bit torrent for patch distro and refusing to let customers control the bandwidth thus slowing everyone's download speeds to a trickle. I remember having to help my WoW guild members learn how to use a real BT client to download a 750mb patch in 5 minutes instead of 5 fucking hours. One time I uploaded the patch to my own website so people could download a small patch in 1-2 minutes instead of an hour.

 

If Epic wants to impress they could at least be as good as Origin or Uplay are right now. Instead its a bunch of BS "moar competitions!" marketing hype trying to disguise exclusive deals that make no sense for customers in the long run with a new half assed store/launcher client. When devs/publishers are trying to spin it as good for everyone and refusing to openly admit, "yeah we got paid" when everyone knows it is the only thing that makes sense, it grinds the gears and leads to "eeevil BAD game companies!".

 

 

 

The Nintendo Switch had a tiny library at launch and then went on to become the fastest selling console during the holiday season precisely because it's exclusives were so good and enticing.

I'm sure releasing a new Zelda game that ran better on the new hardware, after having an underselling Wii U didn't help sell Switches at all. The crappy multiplayer setup and store sure didn't help. They also forced all mario kart players to buy a new system if you wanted what was basically a DLC to the Wii U version.

 

Nintendo just got lucky that people were apparently in the mood for a mobile system with decent graphics aka not a cell phone. They lost out on the Wii U when they went with the silly tablet controller design (and little marketing).



#107342 Kelkeen   \mm/ \mm/ CAGiversary!   777 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 02:38 PM

RE2 was good. X certainly gave it to me.

I now feel the urge to stop, drop, shut'em down, and open up shop.



#107343 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   3060 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:30 PM

I dunno, I'd still consider Epic Game store as a "disruptive competitor" in the same way MoviePass was. Both started off with massive acclaim - I remember when EGS launched, people lauded it for it's larger share of the cut for developers, and possibly a steam competitor... but like MoviePass, they found that business model unsustainable and started implementing one anti-consumer policy after another.

 

Hey, don't give them ideas!

 

"Dear Epic user, this week you are allowed to play three different games from your library for a total of 2 hours each. Additionally, you may only access games in your library during the following periods each day:

 

Monday: 12pm - 3pm, 7pm - 10pm

Tuesday: 10am - 12pm, 4pm - 6pm, 10pm - 12am

..."



#107344 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 04:52 PM

Epic churns out weekly updates to Fork Knife and is constantly changing the game.  I have no doubt they could put together a decent client if needed.  Growing pains.  



#107345 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8348 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 05:48 PM

It took about an hour to apply a 200mb patch on PS4 yesterday afternoon before my game became operational.   Then it hit -28 degrees last night and I lost my internet at about 10:30pm.  It's -22 right now, but someone actually went into work today at Comcast and put the hamster back on the wheel. 

 

You don't realize how completely attached and dependent you are on internet access until suddenly you don't have any.  The struggle is real;  I had to watch disc movies in bed last night. 



#107346 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 06:04 PM

It took about an hour to apply a 200mb patch on PS4 yesterday afternoon before my game became operational.   Then it hit -28 degrees last night and I lost my internet at about 10:30pm.  It's -22 right now, but someone actually went into work today at Comcast and put the hamster back on the wheel. 

 

You don't realize how completely attached and dependent you are on internet access until suddenly you don't have any.  The struggle is real;  I had to watch disc movies in bed last night. 

Wow, you still keep porn DVDs around?

 

Also, Shaq-Fu is in the latest Indie Gala - Source: Sasquatc4 from the SpoderFox Deals Discord (SDD)



#107347 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   5581 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

INMATEofARKHAM

Posted 30 January 2019 - 06:24 PM

Looks like EA is putting 20 dollar skins in Anthem.... They just don't learn.



#107348 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8348 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 06:48 PM

I picked up Destiny 2: Forsaken for 20 bucks last week and been having a blast while becoming completely addicted again.  They fixed so many of the issues people had with the base game.  Now there are RNG gun perks (unique spec combos, "god rolls"), automatic high-powered engram drops (your weekly upgrades aren't capped anymore), exotics can drop anywhere, epic shaders drop everywhere, and Gambit is awesome.   That Activision stench is already wearing off.  Destiny 2 is in a better state than it has ever been before. 

 

Looks like EA is putting 20 dollar skins in Anthem.... They just don't learn.

God dammit.  There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence.  These fucking publishers I swear to god. 

 

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too.  EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.



#107349 Master Miguel   Tired CAGiversary!   1374 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Master Miguel

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:13 PM

God dammit. There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence. These fucking publishers I swear to god.

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too. EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.


So of all the issues and complaints people had with the closed demo last week its optional buyable cosmetics that were the straw that broke the camels back for you?

I'm still on the fence about Anthem, but as far as microtransactions go this seems like a pretty minor issue to lose your shit over.

#107350 IkedaTeramusa   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3193 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

IkedaTeramusa

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:20 PM

So of all the issues and complaints people had with the closed demo last week its optional buyable cosmetics that were the straw that broke the camels back for you?

I'm still on the fence about Anthem, but as far as microtransactions go this seems like a pretty minor issue to lose your shit over.

I wouldn't call them straws... I liken all the issues to cement blocks.  I'm walking along and someone put a cement block on my back.  Ok, no biggie.  Now you couple in all the connection issues, another block.  Ok.  So then they add in obscene (price-wise) DLC, final one.  I can understand that it's available/earnable in game.  But since we have no relative idea (because the game doesn't work enough to... you know.. play it) how long this $20 will take.  What is my time worth? This is CAG... C is the operative letter here.



#107351 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8681 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:29 PM

Just a heads up to anyone that put Knick-Knack consumables on the market.

 

They expire on the 2nd and they're not selling super fast.  None of mine have sold yet.

 

Might want to keep an eye out over the next few days to make sure they don't go to waste.



#107352 sasquatc4   CAG in Limbo CAGiversary!   1728 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:29 PM

I still dont get the issue, its an optional skin. This isnt like the battlefront issues at all, where there were actual gameplay elements locked behind microtransactions and RNG ability cards. This is a skin, a skin no one needs, a skin that doesnt affect gameplay. Who cares if they want to charge 100$ for it? They can charge whatever they want and when only 100 idiots buy it then maybe they'll drop the price

 

Games already have skins that cost close to that, r6's elite skins cost ~15$ real world money since you cant unlock them with the free renown, and you know what, most people dont buy them, its a choice that doesnt affect the game



#107353 Master Miguel   Tired CAGiversary!   1374 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Master Miguel

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:33 PM

I wouldn't call them straws... I liken all the issues to cement blocks.  I'm walking along and someone put a cement block on my back.  Ok, no biggie.  Now you couple in all the connection issues, another block.  Ok.  So then they add in obscene (price-wise) DLC, final one.  I can understand that it's available/earnable in game.  But since we have no relative idea (because the game doesn't work enough to... you know.. play it) how long this $20 will take.  What is my time worth? This is CAG... C is the operative letter here.

Which I can understand, but nothing on that shop is integral to the game.  If I'm not mistaken you can already customize your suits in the game without buying any of that stuff.  Now if all the in game options are trash and you have to spend $20 to look halfway decent then I agree, grab the pitchforks and all that.  The stuff they had in the video wasn't even good looking though, even if the price was $5 I still wouldn't buy it and if we're talking about the C in CAG here, why would you be thinking of buying looks for your suit when there are others you can get in the game for free?

 

Reminds me of WoW, you can get on their shop and buy all sorts of different mounts and pets for like $25.  They don't benefit you in the game, most are just reskins of mounts/pets you can get in the game already and its likely the same deal with anthem.  The whales who have to look the absolute coolest or w/e will buy this crap up.  The vast majority of people will be content with what they already have in game and never even look at the store.  I just don't don't understand the outrage.



#107354 Motiv  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:49 PM

I picked up Destiny 2: Forsaken for 20 bucks last week and been having a blast while becoming completely addicted again.  They fixed so many of the issues people had with the base game.  Now there are RNG gun perks (unique spec combos, "god rolls"), automatic high-powered engram drops (your weekly upgrades aren't capped anymore), exotics can drop anywhere, epic shaders drop everywhere, and Gambit is awesome.   That Activision stench is already wearing off.  Destiny 2 is in a better state than it has ever been before. 

 

God dammit.  There goes all hope I had for this game in just a single sentence.  These fucking publishers I swear to god. 

 

Anthem was going to be one of the ~2 games I was going to day1 this year too.  EA obviously didn't even learn anything from the Star Wars Battlefront II public relations fiasco.

Destiny 2: Forsaken is the best version of Destiny 2 to date. There's a gargantuan difference and highly better experience between the D2 launch and Forsaken. I'm glad you ended up giving it a shot. Enjoy the grind.

 

As for Anthem and cosmetics, it's all still speculation. The demo featured super cheap cosmetics and now we see a leaked photo of beyond ridiculous pricey cosmetics. So who knows. I suppose since it's EA we can assume the worst, but getting worked up over speculation is a waste of energy. Probably best to wait on something more official before grabbing a pitchfork, but we are a highly reactionary society.



#107355 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 07:57 PM

Just a heads up to anyone that put Knick-Knack consumables on the market.

 

They expire on the 2nd and they're not selling super fast.  None of mine have sold yet.

 

Might want to keep an eye out over the next few days to make sure they don't go to waste.

Was that the winter sale stuff?  I just converted those to gems.  100 gems each, 10= 1 sack of gems.  Easier to sell a sack of gems.

 

I still dont get the issue, its an optional skin. This isnt like the battlefront issues at all, where there were actual gameplay elements locked behind microtransactions and RNG ability cards. This is a skin, a skin no one needs, a skin that doesnt affect gameplay. Who cares if they want to charge 100$ for it? They can charge whatever they want and when only 100 idiots buy it then maybe they'll drop the price

 

Games already have skins that cost close to that, r6's elite skins cost ~15$ real world money since you cant unlock them with the free renown, and you know what, most people dont buy them, its a choice that doesnt affect the game

This.  If you have such an addiction/OCD that you can't resist some cosmetic crap then you need professional help.  Cosmetic crap is how devs make money nowadays.  It's how they keep servers going.  Ignore it.  Let the rich addicts or broke addicts fund the game and just enjoy what you like out of it.  

 

I played a few minutes of the Anthem demo.  I had a connection issue.  I disconnected and reconnected and finished my mission.  It was well made, looked nice, I had fun.  Not my thing, but not a bad game.  NEWSFLASH - the purpose of these betas is to identify these sort of unexpected issues and fix them before the product officially launches.  Very stupid to use this as a strike against buying something.  



#107356 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯   Nearing puberty. CAGiversary!   1551 Posts   Joined 5.3 Years Ago  

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted 30 January 2019 - 08:52 PM

Looks like EA is putting 20 dollar skins in Anthem.... They just don't learn.

Just when I thought I was in, they push me back out!



#107357 eulogywerd21   Jesus wept CAGiversary!   3457 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

eulogywerd21

Posted 30 January 2019 - 09:53 PM

Just when I thought I was in, they push me back out!


Sounds not so consensual

#107358 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8681 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:26 PM

Was that the winter sale stuff?  I just converted those to gems.  100 gems each, 10= 1 sack of gems.  Easier to sell a sack of gems.

Yeah, the stuff from doing the Advent Calendar.

 

I never think about gems.  I just always throw crap on the market. 



#107359 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:29 PM

Yeah, the stuff from doing the Advent Calendar.

 

I never think about gems.  I just always throw crap on the market. 

Cards have not been selling at all for me.  I probably had 200 or so from 2017 winter sale that never sold.  My habit now is to just put them on the market for a few weeks and then convert everything that doesn't sell to gems.  Some have crap value in gems but getting something that actually sells beats 100s of .01 cards that never will. 

 

100 gems per item is actually really good for the winter stuff. 



#107360 zenii   cynical sam CAGiversary!   1277 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:31 PM

I think Angry Joe brings a good point though that you can't launch with $20 skins. If you first establish yourself as a good game, and then release cosmetic DLC after you've built up the fanbase who will buy it because they enjoy the game, sure. But launching with $20 skins makes me think that they don't really care about making the game good, they are more interested in making some short-term cash before moving onto the next thing. Like they did with Battlefront and Battlefront II. 

 

Business-wise, it's a smart move. But I can see why people would be upset over it. It's a symptom of a bigger issue.



#107361 MysterD   38 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th) CAGiversary!   24767 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:43 PM

Metro games are getting review-bombed on Steam b/c of the Epic Games Store fiasco:

https://www.pcgamesn...ght-review-bomb



#107362 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:56 PM

I think Angry Joe brings a good point though that you can't launch with $20 skins. If you first establish yourself as a good game, and then release cosmetic DLC after you've built up the fanbase who will buy it because they enjoy the game, sure. But launching with $20 skins makes me think that they don't really care about making the game good, they are more interested in making some short-term cash before moving onto the next thing. Like they did with Battlefront and Battlefront II. 

 

Business-wise, it's a smart move. But I can see why people would be upset over it. It's a symptom of a bigger issue.

That's a mighty big assumption to make.  Does angry nerdboy provide any proof showing every game that releases with $20 skins is a cash grab?

 

Metro games are getting review-bombed on Steam b/c of the Epic Games Store fiasco:

https://www.pcgamesn...ght-review-bomb

And see, this is why I don't feel bad for the immature manbabies that are gamers.  



#107363 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8348 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 10:59 PM

I'm not going to sit here with a straight face and explain how predatory microtransactions are bad for players.  If you are apathetic to these types of issues, or never cared about Anthem, then that's your prerogative.  Some of us play shared-world loot-shooter games hardcore, care about these franchises, shell out $80-120 upfront for DLC packages and season passes, and have been very excited about the prospects of Anthem.  But this little tidbit of news is a microcosm that already proves that there is publisher interference and lording over game design choices in Anthem.  It will negatively affect the health, public perception, and longevity of the game.  Which is also analogous to the trajectory of the state of Destiny 1 & 2 over the last few years in several ways.



#107364 Master Miguel   Tired CAGiversary!   1374 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Master Miguel

Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:25 PM

So one post on reddit about cosmetic only dlc data mined from an unreleased game is proof that the game wont have longevity? Shouldnt you at least wait for the game to release, or at least even the public demo, before you say the sky is falling?

I'm not even sure who exactly different colored flying suits are preying on besides people with more money than sense. If them buying $20 outfits makes it so I dont have to pay for a new raid then I'm satisfied, isnt post-release content supposedly going to be free?

#107365 zenii   cynical sam CAGiversary!   1277 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:35 PM

That's a mighty big assumption to make.  Does angry nerdboy provide any proof showing every game that releases with $20 skins is a cash grab?

 

And see, this is why I don't feel bad for the immature manbabies that are gamers.  

 

Obviously not every single game that releases with $20 skins is an obvious cash grab (also nobody actually said that, but I'll entertain your straw-man argument), but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's a duck.

 

Also I realize that on this forum the age skews much higher, but do you people realize kids play these games? Those of the ones these micro-transactions prey on. They either have access to mommy's credit card, or they don't have money and don't know any better, so they turn to google and type in "FREE VBUX FORTNITE SKINS" and then are redirected to some shady survey site that probably installs a virus or keylogger on their computer upon completion. 



#107366 Nephilim_BC  

Nephilim_BC

Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:37 PM

Metro games are getting review-bombed on Steam b/c of the Epic Games Store fiasco:

https://www.pcgamesn...ght-review-bomb

I gladly took part in that  :-



#107367 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20931 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 30 January 2019 - 11:49 PM

Obviously not every single game that releases with $20 skins is an obvious cash grab (also nobody actually said that, but I'll entertain your straw-man argument), but if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... it's a duck.

 

Also I realize that on this forum the age skews much higher, but do you people realize kids play these games? Those of the ones these micro-transactions prey on. They either have access to mommy's credit card, or they don't have money and don't know any better, so they turn to google and type in "FREE VBUX FORTNITE SKINS" and then are redirected to some shady survey site that probably installs a virus or keylogger on their computer upon completion. 

So now we're acting like we care about kids?

 

You're as bad as the anti-female streamers on Twitch crowd with that.  

 

It's up to parents to police their kids and their spending habits.  Pubs don't need to play nanny.  Every game has wack crap.  PUBG had like $25 Joker and Harley Quinn crap and people bought it.  I didn't.  I'm still happily playing on the same $30 copy I bought 2 years ago and two $10 event passes.  

 

Fortnite has a ton of expensive cosmetic DLC.  More power to the people who enjoy it.  The presence of overpriced DLC is not indicative in any way of the quality of the game.  I prefer this model over WOW's $15 a month crap.  Let the kids support their game with their mom's credit card.  Not my problem. 



#107368 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8681 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 31 January 2019 - 02:51 AM

Was that the winter sale stuff?  I just converted those to gems.  100 gems each, 10= 1 sack of gems.  Easier to sell a sack of gems.

Well, it wasn't the same stuff you're talking about because I removed them and no option to turn into gems. :/

 

My stuff was the stuff like the chapstick and socks to level up the one badge. 

Guess I'll just use them myself since no point re-adding them to the market to be at the end of the line to get sold.



#107369 weretable   KLF is gonna rock you CAGiversary!   891 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 31 January 2019 - 03:45 AM

Metro games are getting review-bombed on Steam b/c of the Epic Games Store fiasco:

https://www.pcgamesn...ght-review-bomb

I doubt they care at all about games that have been so cheap or even free being review-bombed.  They might care some if quite a few people preordered the new one while it was still on Steam just so they could leave a bad review and refund.  

 

Seems to be a trend lately.  Quite a few idiots bought Chuchel when they changed the color of the character to orange just so they could leave a bad review and then refund.  That was a much cheaper game though.



#107370 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   578 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 31 January 2019 - 04:55 AM

Why did like, every single game on Steam just update?