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#107641 eulogywerd21   Jesus wept CAGiversary!   3397 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

eulogywerd21

Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:16 PM

 New Dawn comes out next week and I have it pre-ordered.

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I'd usually laugh too, except...

...except, I pre-ordered it, as well.

The "Post Apocalyptic fps - that does or doesn't have rpg elements, either open world or not, with or without vehicles, preferably single player" is the monkey on my back that I may never get over. I will ALWAYS be attracted to this very specific subgenre and will almost always Day 1 these, even when/if I've been burned. I probably blame Mad Max/Road Warrior.



#107642 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8576 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:24 PM

Thronebreaker isn't a thing.

thronebreaker had nothing to do with why they won and you know it


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#107643 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:38 PM

This doesn't sound like a complete joke to me:.

https://in.ign.com/f...ox-last-quarter

How about try actually reading the white sheet. They are referring to net bookings (including microtransactions, expansions, etc), not individual new game sales as the article claims by using the term "game sales". Let alone new release sales, as would be relevant to the conversation.

 

I am aware that companies can make tons of money on PC on expansions, season-pass-based models, microtransactions, F2P, etc. That was literally my whole point. I wasn't claiming that no money can be made on PC, I was pointing out that no money can be made on new, initial sales of games (as is still being made on consoles).

 

Money can be made on PC, but it's made on old games. Because PC gamers don't buy new games. Which is why the  2018 Steam Awards all went to games from 2015.

 

Back to that Q2 white sheet, they also included their release schedule, and guess what: 

 

LEGENDARY FISHING TM PLAYSTATION®4, NINTENDO SWITCH™

FAR CRY® 5 DEAD LIVING ZOMBIES PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, PC

FAR CRY® 5 LOST ON MARS PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, PC

FOR HONOR TM - SEASON 7 STORM & FURY PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, PC 

TOM CLANCY’S GHOST RECON® WILDLANDS SPECIAL OPERATION 2 PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, PC

HUNGRY SHARK WORLD ® PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, NINTENDO SWITCH ™

IS IT LOVE? TM - MYSTERY SPELL- NICOLAE Google play, App store

SOUTH PARK TM : THE STICK OF TRUTH TM NINTENDO SWITCH TM

SOUTH PARKTM THE FRACTURED BUT WHOLETM BRING THE CRUNCH PLAYSTATION®4,Xbox One™, NINTENDO SWITCH™, PC

TOM CLANCY’S RAINBOW SIX® SIEGE SEASON 3 PLAYSTATION®4, Xbox One™, PC

 

Not a SINGLE new title on PC. Just season passes, and expansions. The three new titles they did release were all console exclusive, or on mobile.

Which is also, btw, why Q2 sales favored PC. In any quarter where Ubisoft releases more new titles, their console sales dominate. Congratulations digging through Google to try to find ONE example months out of date that appears to support your point only if taken out of context and completely misunderstood. 



#107644 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:59 PM

Well we don't have numbers, but we have profits per platform from Financial 2017Q4/2018Q1 (January - March 2018 / April - June 2018) aka Far Cry 5 release period

 

And PC buy way more DLC/Microtransactions (which have bigger profits margins than games)

 

TL;DR. PC seems important from Ubisoft so probably not a joke lol.

Yes. That's my whole point. 

 

People are wondering why the 2018 Steam Awards are full of games released in 2015: it's because PC gamers don't buy new games. They buy expansions, season passes, microtransactions, and play very few new titles.

 

This is also why we don't see new titles, and why we see our favorite developers abandoning full-fledged new installments on PC, instead releasing F2P, or microtransaction based games, or moving to mobile. There is no market for new, original, creative titles on the PC. 



#107645 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   5475 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

INMATEofARKHAM

Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:27 PM

God, I really hate ignorant people who make me learn how to use the ignore list that's way too buried on this website.



#107646 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:36 PM

God, I really hate ignorant people who make me learn how to use the ignore list that's way too buried on this website.

Nice The Division avatar there. A game whose monetization strategy is based on season passes and microtransactions  :D/. I'm not saying that's bad, by the way, I'm a PC gamer too. Just saying there will be more Steam Awards filled with three year old games. 

 

I enjoy playing old games and seeing them get regular updates and new content (I'm enjoying Apex Legends right now, the fact that it's free to play is great because it means there's a huge playerbase). And the last thing I'll ever do as a CAG is buy a new game at full retail price. 

 

But if you think that new, creative, original titles can succeed in the PC market today ... you're special. The 2018 Steam Awards being filled with 2015 games had to be. 

 

It's pretty remarkable that you take personal offense at this conversation, though, and feel the need to insult me. :lol:



#107647 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20771 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:37 PM

Bullshit

You're wrong.  We've posted data showing you're wrong.  You're doing the internet "talk out of my ass and when proven wrong double down on the bullshit" spiel.  Show me numbers that prove your point.  Show me where PC gamers are somehow idiots that only spend money on DLC for new games but they didn't buy the new game that they need to play said DLC.  Because right now that's what your dumbass argument is.  That In Q2 dumb PC gamers bought a shitload of DLC for FC5 but didn't buy FC5 in the same year.    And that's data from last year.  Out of date?  If that's out of date, then post your exclusive brand spanking new data that shows otherwise or STFU.  

 

There's entire genres of video games that only exist on the fucking PC.  The two biggest video games of the last few years, Fortnite and PUBG, were PC first and then ported to console.  But yet somehow PC is a joke and afterthought for any major video game company. 

The Steam awards didn't suck.  The only suspect winner is CD Projekt Red and Witcher.  I didn't play Gwent or Thronebreaker so I don't know, maybe those are awesome games or maybe PC gamers are just fanboys.  Steam just fucked up the noms in the environment category.  

 

Every other award winner won because they are current, popular games that even though they were released in years before, are still in active development giving players fresh content that they enjoy.  That's the thing that's changed.  Instead of churning out Rainbow Siege 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Ubi decided to implement a season schedule and continue actively developing a game.  Same with GTA V, they continue to release new game modes for the online portion. Rocket League is the same.  


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#107648 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:41 PM

You're wrong.  We've posted data showing you're wrong.  You're doing the internet "talk out of my ass and when proven wrong double down on the bullshit" spiel.  Show me numbers that prove your point.  Show me where PC gamers are somehow idiots that only spend money on DLC for new games but they didn't buy the new game that they need to play said DLC.  Because right now that's what your dumbass argument is.  That In Q2 dumb PC gamers bought a shitload of DLC for FC5 but didn't buy FC5 in the same year.    And that's data from last year.  Out of date?  If that's out of date, then post your exclusive brand spanking new data that shows otherwise or STFU.  

 

There's entire genres of video games that only exist on the fucking PC.  The two biggest video games of the last few years, Fortnite and PUBG, were PC first and then ported to console.  But yet somehow PC is a joke and afterthought for any major video game company. 

The Steam awards didn't suck.  The only suspect winner is CD Projekt Red and Witcher.  I didn't play Gwent or Thronebreaker so I don't know, maybe those are awesome games or maybe PC gamers are just fanboys.  Steam just fucked up the noms in the environment category.  

 

Every other award winner won because they are current, popular games that even though they were released in years before, are still in active development giving players fresh content that they enjoy.  That's the thing that's changed.  Instead of churning out Rainbow Siege 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Ubi decided to implement a season schedule and continue actively developing a game.  Same with GTA V, they continue to release new game modes for the online portion. Rocket League is the same.  

:lol: wow! Watch your blood pressure there, bud. 

PC gaming isn't an afterthought. My entire point is precisely the opposite: it is driving the industry. Driving it toward F2P, microtransactions, season passes etc, and away from new, creative, original titles. But apparently Fortnite and PUBG prove me wrong here :lol: (not insulting you bud, I'm hooked on Apex Legends PC at the moment). We will see more and more Steam Awards filled with three-year-old games going forward, and I never said that was a bad thing or that the Steam Awards "sucked", you're free to make your own moral judgements. 

 

Of course, the other point I made was that PC gamers will become unbelievably enraged if you calmly, without any insult or offense, without saying anything is "bad" or "good" or "sucks", point out basic facts of the industry and the market to them. That doesn't need any white sheets to evidence: it's being proved right here in this thread :lol:.



#107649 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8001 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:59 PM

Nice The Division avatar there. A game whose monetization strategy is based on season passes and microtransactions.  :D/

 

By the way, at no point have I made any moral judgement that season passes and microtransactions are bad. I enjoy playing old games and seeing them get regular updates and new content (I'm enjoying Apex Legends right now, the fact that it's free to play is great because it means there's a huge playerbase). And the last thing I'll ever do as a CAG is buy a new game at full retail price. 

 

But if you think that new, creative, original titles can succeed in the PC market today ... you're special. The 2018 Steam Awards being filled with 2015 games had to be. 

 

It's pretty remarkable that you take personal offense at this conversation, though, and feel the need to insult me. :lol:

Once again, we ain't all the same.   Some people like me bought The Division for $48 on release week, got a $10 gift certificate as a reward, played the living heck out of it for 2-4 months straight, completely got our fill, and then were done with it never to return, and had a truly fantastic gaming experience. 

 

We supported the publisher for making a great game too.

 

I can't help you with your problem that PC gamers are cheap as hell, stupidly spend their money on overpriced DLC only after they become addicted, support disgusting MTXs, and buy fucking mystery bundles instead of getting the occasional good game when it is brand new.  I don't understand it either.  



#107650 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:04 PM

Once again, we ain't all the same.   Some people like me bought The Division for $48 on release week, got a $10 gift certificate as a reward, played the living Fuck out of it for 2-4 months straight, completely got our fill, and then were done with it never to return, and had a truly fantastic gaming experience. 

 

We supported the publisher for making a great game too.

 

I can't help you with your problem that PC gamers are cheap as hell, stupidly spend their money on overpriced DLC only after they become addicted, support disgusting MTXs, and buy fucking mystery bundles instead of getting the occasional good game when it is brand new. I don't understand it either. 

Not making any personal comments about anyone. I'm talking about industry trends. 

 

I'm not calling anyone cheap except myself, and all the moral judgements in your last paragraph are your own and not shared by me.



#107651 BossKey_Fox   Better Than You CAGiversary!   20771 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:07 PM

:lol: wow! Watch your blood pressure there, bud. 

PC gaming isn't an afterthought. My entire point is precisely the opposite: it is driving the industry. Driving it toward F2P, microtransactions, season passes etc, and away from new, creative, original titles. But apparently Fortnite and PUBG prove me wrong here :lol: (not insulting you bud, I'm hooked on Apex Legends PC at the moment). We will see more and more Steam Awards filled with three-year-old games going forward, and I never said that was a bad thing or that the Steam Awards "sucked", you're free to make your own moral judgements. 

 

Of course, the other point I made was that PC gamers will become unbelievably enraged if you calmly, without any insult or offense, without saying anything is "bad" or "good" or "sucks", point out basic facts of the industry and the market to them. That doesn't need any white sheets to evidence: it's being proved right here in this thread :lol:.

You're just a constant source of bullshit.  PC game sales suck, so the industry is copying PC gaming because PC game sales suck!

 

Call of Duty dropped single player in BOIIII.  And guess what system COD has always done worse on?  PC. So, COD dropped single player to do better on the shitty system that wasn't going to buy it in the first place?  Or they dropped the single player because PC players are so averse to single player games they will then pay for the opportunity to have a game with no single player?  

 

Where exactly have you been the last 10-15 years or so?  Did you somehow miss when the PS3 and Xbox 360 made online play a lot easier and both those systems started moving away from the single player games that made systems like the PS2 so great (because there really was no convenient/easy way to play MP on them)?  Did you miss the entire PS3 and 360 era where every dev was forced to tack on a half assed MP mode?  So, you're saying all this time, consoles have just been trying to copy shitty PC devs who have been abandoning SP games in favor of MP and it has nothing to do with Sony and MS implementing network capabilities in their consoles?

 

And the freemium/F2P stuff?  Have you ever heard of a phone?  Or Facebook?  Did you forget that PC games were often charging ridiculous monthly fees to fund MMOs until the mobile gaming era forced them to adapt to different models to compete with all the "free" games easily available on people's phones?  

 

Here's the thing, I'm not offended by your (incorrect) notion that devs are abandoning SP games (they're not) .  I'm offended by the fact you're completely wrong about the reasons you think the world is conspiring against you to deprive you of some SP experience.  And really, what are you being deprived of?  Other than console exclusives, what SP games are you being deprived of on PC?  Why are the Hellblade devs such idiots that they put out an SP game on PC knowing it had no chance?  

 

Nothing you say makes any logical sense - even by your own logic.  Everyone in the world is an idiot except you.  



#107652 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:15 PM

:lol: sounds like a conversation for your therapist, bud.



#107653 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8001 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:16 PM

Not making any personal comments about anyone. I'm talking about industry trends. 

 

I'm not calling anyone cheap except myself.

I hear you, and I agree, the PC gaming industry trends are really weird.

 

The last few years are the only time that I've let my gaming rig lapse because there simply wasn't any incentive to buy brand new parts.   People can say what they want, there have been very few seminal PC games during the last few years.  The definitive gaming experiences are few and far between.  Which is why games from yesteryear are still getting most of the attention. 


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#107654 Ex~   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:31 PM

Nothing you say makes any logical sense - even by your own logic.  Everyone in the world is an idiot except you.  

Nope, just you :lol:.



#107655 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8001 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:32 PM

I just want to play Cyberpunk 2077 already, and on PC.  :baby:



#107656 Neuro5i5   pʎslǝxıɔ CAGiversary!   10425 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 09:46 PM

Jack's is $2 each at Menards. Is that a good price?



#107657 Foxhack   Bad Hombre CAGiversary!   8769 Posts   Joined 12.8 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:22 PM

Whoever owns this profile (Vooyah):

 

https://steamcommuni...61198037654756/

 

You fucking dumbass, you got hacked. Fix your fucking login and stop spamming us, dipshit.



#107658 Pengy99  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:30 PM

If you get something from my account ignore it. I fucking clicked the link from Vooyah and got my account hijacked like a moron.



#107659 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5344 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:32 PM

:grave:



#107660 Vooyah   Sporadic At Best CAGiversary!   382 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:40 PM

Whoever owns this profile (Vooyah):

 

https://steamcommuni...61198037654756/

 

You fucking dumbass, you got hacked. Fix your fucking login and stop spamming us, dipshit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I realize I got hacked. Clicked on a link sent via Steam chat by Breadman and promptly lost control of my account. Still trying to get it back. Waiting to hear back from Steam. Not sure how clicking on a link from someone on my friends list makes me a fucking dumbass though. Trust me when I say that it wasn't my choice to lose control of my close to 6k games account. Aologies though, to whomever is getting spammed.



#107661 FissFiss   Meow CAGiversary!   8477 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:42 PM

Authenticator

#107662 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8001 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:44 PM

Doesn't Steam Guard authenticator prevent getting hacked like that?



#107663 Vooyah   Sporadic At Best CAGiversary!   382 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:49 PM

I used an authenticator. Within minutes of clicking Breadman's link, i got emails saying authenticator and phone # were removed from my account.



#107664 Vooyah   Sporadic At Best CAGiversary!   382 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:50 PM

Originated with an .RU address btw.



#107665 Meowlo   Steam Addict CAGiversary!   1306 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:57 PM

I used an authenticator. Within minutes of clicking Breadman's link, i got emails saying authenticator and phone # were removed from my account.

How would the authentiator get removed unless somebody had access to your recovery codes or mobile phone? Genuinely curious as I was under the impression that was foolproof unless you had access to the aforementioned. 



#107666 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5344 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:57 PM

Doesn't Steam Guard authenticator prevent getting hacked like that?

Nope. These sites ask for authenticator code, which they use to remove it.



#107667 Pengy99  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:58 PM

Same. Had authenticator. Still owned. I assume it is because of the speed they do it. Those codes are good for like 30 seconds or so.



#107668 FissFiss   Meow CAGiversary!   8477 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 10:59 PM

Whelp time for a new steam account. Start fresh. 0 games. It’ll be fun. Do it

#107669 Vooyah   Sporadic At Best CAGiversary!   382 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:10 PM

Whelp time for a new steam account. Start fresh. 0 games. It’ll be fun. Do it

Har Har. I am confident I'll get my account back in tact. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

Also really surprised they found a way around the authenticator. I thought I was safe. Lesson learned though. 



#107670 Meowlo   Steam Addict CAGiversary!   1306 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:12 PM

Har Har. I am confident I'll get my account back in tact. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

 

Also really surprised they found a way around the authenticator. I thought I was safe. Lesson learned though. 

Did you "log" into the site with your existing code or did it straight up remove authenticator?

 

Most i could find was the RAT vulnerability for generic 2FA workarounds. 

 

https://www.extremet...-authentication (not a phishing link)