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#108001 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8446 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 19 February 2019 - 11:50 PM

it's just semantics.  Call it whatever you want.  I'm sure most people here understand what kind of game it is. I use the term "shared-world shooter" most, because that's what this particular subset of games is to me. You're solo most of time, sometimes your in social hubs, and sometimes it links you up with other people to clear objectives.  It also differentiates it from actual mmorpgs. 

 

"loot shooter"

"mmo shooter"

"borderlands clone/derivative"

"games-as-a-service"

"annual pass bullshit"

"Open world game" LOLOL ok that's my peeve one

 

The term "MMO" has lost all meaning these days anyways because no one is developing mmorpg's anymore in the classic sense. 

 

These loot shooters, CoD games, and Ubisoft-likes have bastardized all sorts of conventional RPG stat and leveling system too.

 

It has all become homogenized.



#108002 FissFiss   Meow CAGiversary!   8566 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 19 February 2019 - 11:52 PM

You know what I call it. Early Access $60 in Full-Game release skin :)

On a side note we finally got ACOdyssey woooo

#108003 MysterD   38 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th) CAGiversary!   24829 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 19 February 2019 - 11:59 PM

I'm starting to ask myself the question that a lot of bloggers/"journalists" are going to be asking.   How did Bioware get into a position where they had to put all the chips in the middle to go outside of their core competency and make a shared-world MMO shooter? 

 

The ME:A bomb is going to be what sealed the deal for them in the end.  Anthem should have been the game that gave them strike 1. 

 

I guess they are just devoid of talent at both middle and upper management these days.

 

You look at something like Apex Legends and can easily see in just 3-5minutes of gameplay video that the core of the game is rock solid. 

BioWare hasn't been BioWare for years. Slowly but surely, everybody who's really somebody and a big name at that studio, has left. Who's really left now? Casey Hudson (who at one point left and a bit later returned)? Mark Darrah?

 

The 2 Doctors, Jennifer Hepler, David Gaider, Drew Karpynshyn, Mike Laidlaw, Trent Oster, Brent Knowles - all no longer w/ BioWare.

 

Also, when was the last true CRPG from BioWare? DA:O maybe?

 

When was the point when BioWare lost its way for you entirely? This question, might differ from person-to-person - depending on their tastes and whatnot. NWN1's Original base-game campaign (eh, it was mediocre, IMHO - HOTU was redemption)? Dragon Age 2? ME3's Ending? Was it ME:A? Anthem?

 

I think for many, ME:A or Anthem might be that final nail in the coffin.



#108004 weretable   KLF is gonna rock you CAGiversary!   898 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:01 AM

Meh.  I didn't get  Odyssey despite playing well over the time required.



#108005 MysterD   38 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th) CAGiversary!   24829 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:04 AM

it's just semantics.  Call it whatever you want.  I'm sure most people here understand what kind of game it is. I use the term "shared-world shooter" most, because that's what this particular subset of games is to me. You're solo most of time, sometimes your in social hubs, and sometimes it links you up with other people to clear objectives.  It also differentiates it from actual mmorpgs. 

 

"loot shooter"

"mmo shooter"

"borderlands clone/derivative"

"games-as-a-service"

"annual pass bullshit"

"Open world game" LOLOL ok that's my peeve one

 

The term "MMO" has lost all meaning these days anyways because no one is developing mmorpg's anymore in the classic sense. 

 

These loot shooters, CoD games, and Ubisoft-likes have bastardized all sorts of conventional RPG stat and leveling system too.

 

It has all become homogenized.

Borderlands looter-shooter games have actual offline modes though.

 

These online-only "shared-world looter-shooters" like The Division, Destiny series, and Anthem do not have an offline mode.



#108006 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8446 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:09 AM

Borderlands looter-shooter games have actual offline modes though.

 

These online-only "shared-world looter-shooters" like The Division, Destiny series, and Anthem do not have an offline mode.

we're not talking about your weird hangups and phobias here, D!

 

There also hasn't been a mainline Borderlands game since 2014.

 

I would say that Borderlands was the concrete foundation for this entire subset of games though.



#108007 MysterD   38 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th) CAGiversary!   24829 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:11 AM

we're not talking about your weird hangups and phobias here, D!

 

There also hasn't been a Borderlands game since 2014.

 

I would say that Borderlands was the concrete foundation for this entire subset of games though.

I would say Hellgate London (2007) came first and was before Borderlands (2009).



#108008 FissFiss   Meow CAGiversary!   8566 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:15 AM

Meh.  I didn't get  Odyssey despite playing well over the time required.

My buddy didnt either :/



#108009 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8446 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 12:20 AM

When was the point when BioWare lost its way for you entirely?

It was when they didn't give me a full frontal of Fem Shep during scissoring sessions. 



#108010 weretable   KLF is gonna rock you CAGiversary!   898 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 20 February 2019 - 01:04 AM

Destiny 2 Forsaken on sale again.  Tempted to pick it up but still not quite as cheap as I'd like.  I do hear it has gotten a lot better.  I wonder if I'd actually get around to playing it soon.  :-k



#108011 gospelman   Irreducibly Complex CAGiversary!   1890 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 01:11 AM

Destiny 2 Forsaken on sale again.  Tempted to pick it up but still not quite as cheap as I'd like.  I do hear it has gotten a lot better.  I wonder if I'd actually get around to playing it soon.  :-k

This had me go check the annual pass and it's actually on sale too.  I think it may be time to jump back in.  Thanks anthem!



#108012 UberZerstorer   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   33 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

UberZerstorer

Posted 20 February 2019 - 01:22 AM

Learn from my mistakes:

 

Layers of Fear - 5D9MX-8QHAI-NJTGA

johnsgame - ABQ5B-0A8M0-299JR

Innerspace - HT2QD-Z23LW-M6T9R

Fahrenheit Indigo  - 9AXDD-3THHP-7RZPJ

Thanks for Layers of Fear! Cheers!



#108013 weretable   KLF is gonna rock you CAGiversary!   898 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 20 February 2019 - 01:24 AM

My buddy didnt either :/

Found a comment on reddit from an Ubi rep saying it was being rolled out and would take a while to get everyone, and I did get in really late so it might still show up.



#108014 Kelkeen   \mm/ \mm/ CAGiversary!   778 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 03:16 AM

I was like "whoo Odyssey in my account" <installs> <remembered why I only played an hour before>



#108015 Zipomatic2   Really, Really Cheap CAGiversary!   553 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 03:46 AM

Wife bought a Fanatical bundle. Enjoy her pain.

 

Layers of Fear VJ5TI-AEQ93-RX829
 
Homeworld Remastered ZP4BV-843NK-N0TFL
 
Zombie Kill of the Week Reborn PCLFY-DK3RN-X8IC7
 
Learn Japanese to Survive Katakana War20Y9H-L9GDF-LEJ8K
 
Car Mechanic Simulator HQK2B-TXJGW-AG6K6
 
Wick CZ5JG-ZTPRT-5GBZF
 
Monstrum V8C4D-3KRC3-DVI3K
 
Alien Spidy FT38A-9HFJM-5MTPD
 
Wrack QR8I0-FYYNZ-YTL7B


#108016 Kelkeen   \mm/ \mm/ CAGiversary!   778 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 03:52 AM

Got Homeworld, thanks for the drop.



#108017 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   3077 Posts   Joined 7.7 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 04:35 AM

 

Wife bought a Fanatical bundle. Enjoy her pain.

 

Layers of Fear VJ5TI-AEQ93-RX829
 
Homeworld Remastered ZP4BV-843NK-N0TFL
 
Zombie Kill of the Week Reborn PCLFY-DK3RN-X8IC7
 
Learn Japanese to Survive Katakana War20Y9H-L9GDF-LEJ8K
 
Car Mechanic Simulator HQK2B-TXJGW-AG6K6
 
Wick CZ5JG-ZTPRT-5GBZF
 
Monstrum V8C4D-3KRC3-DVI3K
 
Alien Spidy FT38A-9HFJM-5MTPD
 
Wrack QR8I0-FYYNZ-YTL7B

 

I took Wick - thanks!



#108018 Modest Package  

Modest Package

Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:04 AM

 

Wife bought a Fanatical bundle. Enjoy her pain.

 

 
Learn Japanese to Survive Katakana War20Y9H-L9GDF-LEJ8K
 

Took this, thanks!



#108019 Blade   Imminently Punchable CAGiversary!   14507 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:05 AM

I didn't take anything, but thank your wife for me anyway. ;)



#108020 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   5601 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

INMATEofARKHAM

Posted 20 February 2019 - 04:26 PM

BioWare hasn't been BioWare for years. Slowly but surely, everybody who's really somebody and a big name at that studio, has left. Who's really left now? Casey Hudson (who at one point left and a bit later returned)? Mark Darrah?

 

ME3's Ending? Was it ME:A? Anthem?

 

I think for many, ME:A or Anthem might be that final nail in the coffin.

 

Casey Hudson is a joke...  He wrote the ending to ME3 with one other guy and didn't run it by anyone.  Its why it didn't make senses in their own world building.

 

ME3 Ending was the end of Bioware.  The Doctors might have been still there but they cared so little they let that ending slipout and that was their final legacy in video games...  You'll notice they both left and haven't returned to the industry.  They where done. 



#108021 Neuro5i5   pʎslǝxıɔ CAGiversary!   10465 Posts   Joined 6.8 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:01 PM

I think I was one of the few who didn't have an issue with the original ME3 ending. Questions, yes...issues, no. To me, it brought a sense of inevitability, much like the Reaper cycle itself. 



#108022 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   5601 Posts   Joined 10.0 Years Ago  

INMATEofARKHAM

Posted 20 February 2019 - 05:02 PM

Skill-Up's Anthem review (part 1)



#108023 inm8num2   The result is quite fresh and quality. CAGiversary!   3077 Posts   Joined 7.7 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 06:47 PM

RIP non-gaming related movies on Steam.

 

https://store.steamp...com/news/48501/

 

Changes to Video Content on Steam
 
Announcement - Valve
Feb 19
 
For the past few years, we have worked on expanding Steam beyond games and software by building a video platform that supports paid and free video content. In reviewing what Steam users actually watch, it became clear we should focus our effort on offering content that is either directly related to gaming or, is accessory content for games or software sold on Steam.

As part of this refocus, we have retired the Video section of the Steam Store menu with an expectation that video content is discovered via the associated game or software store page, or through search, user tags, recommendations, etc.

Over the coming weeks a number of non-gaming videos will be retired and will no longer be available for purchase. Previously purchased content will remain available to owners.


#108024 DD83   'nives 'n 'nades CAGiversary!   8694 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 06:55 PM

I think I was one of the few who didn't have an issue with the original ME3 ending. Questions, yes...issues, no. To me, it brought a sense of inevitability, much the the Reaper cycle itself. 

I've only ever played ME2, and wasn't that impressed with the game, so I tend to feel my opinion doesn't matter much, but I also never had much of an issue with what I know of the ending (that is, it didn't change much depending on your actions).

 

I know people liked to point at ME and say "look, you have all these different options to choose that change the story", but I didn't see that from my playing of ME2. 

To me, the choices seemed like different paths to the same place.  Sure, I could choose to be nice to this shoppkeeper or be mean to them, but in either case I got a discount.  If I do something and someone dies, the story goes on.  If I save this person, maybe they tell me something to help the mission, but if they died, I would've gotten the intel some other way because the story had to continue regardless.

 

So having an ending like that seemed like a perfect metaphor for life.  Sure, you can take a lot of branching paths, but in the end they all lead to the same place.



#108025 weretable   KLF is gonna rock you CAGiversary!   898 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

weretable

Posted 20 February 2019 - 07:13 PM

New Metro is cracked already.  Seems fast but I don't exactly keep up with the piracy scene so maybe that is normal these days.



#108026 Dark_Sage   Superior CAGiversary!   3560 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 07:54 PM

RIP non-gaming related movies on Steam.

 

https://store.steamp...com/news/48501/

 

Thank Christ.



#108027 madjoki   Hey, y no wen free!? CAGiversary!   5347 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:01 PM

how I'm getting my animes now...



#108028 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8669 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:05 PM

Casey Hudson is a joke...  He wrote the ending to ME3 with one other guy and didn't run it by anyone.  Its why it didn't make senses in their own world building.

 

ME3 Ending was the end of Bioware.  The Doctors might have been still there but they cared so little they let that ending slipout and that was their final legacy in video games...  You'll notice they both left and haven't returned to the industry.  They where done. 

Eh, I thought the reaction to the ending was overblown. Honestly I think anything they would've written there would've been a let down, and the rest of the game was pretty fantastic so it didn't bother me too much. Plus I still thought Dragon Age Inquistion was pretty decent (not as good as any of the ME games or DA:O, but it was better than DA 2...really my biggest issue with Inquistion was I think they tried to split the middle between tactical combat and more "streamlined" combat like DA 2, it wound up okay but not as good as DA:O as a result, secondly I would say the meaningless filler in the open world was annoying, but you could just ignore it if you wanted to). That said, despite liking Inquistion I think that was the hint there was a tipping point. They changed their approach to games to chase trends (big open world! tons of stuff to do! stream lined combat in a game whose roots are real time w/pause tactics!), which in retrospect almost seems like foreshadowing that a game like Anthem would be coming. And then obviously Andromeda was apparently a mess (I haven't played it yet, so can't comment). As you mentioned as well, vital people in Bioware just aren't there anymore. The combination of EA having their hands on things and staff turnover just means Bioware isn't really Bioware anymore, which is really sad. Some of my favorite games (Baldur's Gate 1/2, DA:O, ME trilogy) have come from them. With any luck at least we might get some Mass Effect or Dragon Age remasters down the road. 

 

 

 

Also, completely off topic: Darkest Dungeon is on sale for what I think is its lowest price ever (75% off for 6.24)...I've waited years for this to drop in price/get bundled, I'm debating picking it up but you just know it'll be a Monthly headliner in teh next 2 months or something



#108029 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   8446 Posts   Joined 7.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:30 PM

I just thought it was weird that suddenly everybody thought Mass Effect 2 was for them.  It was a very dialogue heavy series that was all about roleplaying and interactions with the other characters, their animations, their dialogue, and the voice acting.  Most people aren't into that. 



#108030 pasports31   New Year's Resolution = Make a Dent in my Backlog CAGiversary!   8669 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:36 PM

I just thought it was weird that suddenly everybody thought Mass Effect 2 was for them.  It was a very dialogue heavy series that was all about roleplaying and interactions with the other characters, their animations, their dialogue, and the voice acting.  Most people aren't into that. 

i disagree, i can see how it would have mainstream appeal. it had a pretty simple overarching plot (stop the baddies), pretty fun gameplay (good enough where you can not care what so ever about the plot/characters and still have fun) and light rpg mechanics in terms of leveling up. a lot of the dialogue (i would say probably most of the dialogue if you consider just walking around the ship talking to people in addition to side quest dialogue) was optional, and wasn't optional was skippable. honestly it was a pretty good blend i thought of being able to draw in more "casual" gamers with easy to grasp and appealing gameplay and mechanics while also having depth there for heavier rpg fans. you didn't need to be into the character interactions to enjoy the game

 

 

that said it's not like a bunch of CoD bros suddenly decided they were totally into mass effect all of a sudden, it probably sold/got the acclaim you would expect for a title of its kind and quality