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#117901 Syntax Error   Art School Dropout CAGiversary!   11432 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Syntax Error

Posted 02 September 2020 - 07:19 PM

Launch MSRP on the 1080 was $699 for the Founders Edition and technically $599 for the partner cards although it was more like $600-$650.

According to my Bezos' account history, on June 25 2016, I paid $699 ($50 of it was tax) for this here card: https://smile.amazon...e?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Well, at least now I know I'm not crazy



#117902 Souffrir   Eternally Training CAG CAGiversary!   5656 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 02 September 2020 - 10:05 PM

I'd pay $12 for a battle pass hamburger.


Ooh, look at Mr. Moneybags. This is CAG, where we’re only willing to pay $4 for secondhand battle pass hot dogs!

#117903 nny   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   645 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 02 September 2020 - 10:35 PM

What? Twenty-plus years ago, mid-range CPUS were over $500. I paid like $600 for a Pentium 2 or 3, I forgot which, and it was like the second to last tier. WTF were you building 20+ years ago?

I may have built a computer before this, but the first computer I remember building was with the Celeron 300a which easily overclocked to 450mhz. I think that one was under $200. Of course that was a bit of an outlier though being one of the best values in hardware ever. Don't really recall what I built after that but I always tried to find the best value and I feel like I typically stayed in the $200 range for both video cards and processors for a long time.



#117904 Neuro5i5   pʎslǝxıɔ CAGiversary!   10596 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 02 September 2020 - 10:48 PM

Well, at least now I know I'm not crazy

Source?



#117905 elessar123  

Posted 02 September 2020 - 10:50 PM

I mean, that's bottom of the barrel at the time. It's like worse than buying an i3 nowadays.



#117906 Mooby   Herp Derp CAGiversary!   11241 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

Posted 02 September 2020 - 10:51 PM

Well, at least now I know I'm not crazy

Now we know you are a Rich Ass Gamer.



#117907 Tibor   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   335 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 12:35 AM

What? Twenty-plus years ago, mid-range CPUS were over $500. I paid like $600 for a Pentium 2 or 3, I forgot which, and it was like the second to last tier. WTF were you building 20+ years ago?

Depends on the chip. I dont remember the cost of my P2 400mhz chip but the total system cost was $1800 or so. 3 years later in 2001 I built an AMD Duron 1ghz with the cpu around $80. Mobo, cpu and ram for that system was around $150-200 total. I had a college buddy who had a Celeron 300a clocked to 450mhz around 2001.

 

CPU's at the mid and high end have traded blows with graphics cards for highest depreciation of a computer's parts for over 20 years but in the last 13-14 years gpu's started winning that battle for the most part. Ever since 2011 and Intel's i7 2600k "sandy bridge" generation we've had top end consumer chips in the i7's lasting 5 years or more. Mid range i5 at 3+ years easily too.



#117908 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   6430 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:04 AM

Ooh, look at Mr. Moneybags. This is CAG, where we’re only willing to pay $4 for secondhand battle pass hot dogs!

Since when?  All you guys ever talk about is pizza and taco bell.



#117909 sasquatc4   CAG in Limbo CAGiversary!   1840 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:26 AM

CPU's at the mid and high end have traded blows with graphics cards for highest depreciation of a computer's parts for over 20 years but in the last 13-14 years gpu's started winning that battle for the most part. Ever since 2011 and Intel's i7 2600k "sandy bridge" generation we've had top end consumer chips in the i7's lasting 5 years or more. Mid range i5 at 3+ years easily too.

^

 

But it is still similar to the gpu realm. You can get an i7 since sandy that will easily go 5 years, but thats if you spent the money on an i7 to make it worth it, the i5's fared nowhere near as well.  Same goes for the i5 4xx intel series, they couldnt even keep up with the 10 series nvidia cards without horribly bottlenecking them in lots of games. I had a couple of friends that had to return their 1080's over that.

 

Its always the more you pay (to a certain extent, theres always way overpriced enthusiast parts) the more lifetime you will get out of it. Which is something that sometimes seems to get lost in this 'CAG' realm. People looking to skimp 25/50/100$ here and there on a build but end up with something that lasts 2 years less.

 

Its all a trade off. Just like the gpu realm, the 1080's are good enough to last well into their 5 year birthday next May, but Im not sure the same can be said of the lower end cards in that same time frame (which will have only been 2 years for the 1660's), how many people will jump on the 3060 when that releases in 6mo-1year, giving them at most 2.5-3 years out of their investment.  Thats an extra 2-3 years of game play with much higher settings (and presumably enjoyment depending on the definition) to the higher end card, but of course at an extra cost, that basically balances out in the end but you can play at higher settings through the life of the card in the higher end case.



#117910 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5725 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 02:13 AM

Since when?  All you guys ever talk about is pizza and taco bell.

Listen, dude, if you've been paying attention in any detail to this pizza business, you'd know. . . mostly it's stuff you wouldn't actually consider food.



#117911 MysterD   40 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th 1980-2020)) CAGiversary!   26746 Posts   Joined 17.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 02:28 AM

Lenovo leaked out that a future T7 PC build of theirs has 16 GB VRAM RTX 3070 Ti or Super:

https://www.tweaktow...vram/index.html

 

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#117912 eulogywerd21   Jesus wept CAGiversary!   3803 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

eulogywerd21

Posted 03 September 2020 - 02:50 AM

A given, imo. There'll be ti's of everything, then supers. Then super ti's. And finally super dupers.



#117913 Blade   This is the way CAGiversary!   15296 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 02:51 AM

What? Twenty-plus years ago, mid-range CPUS were over $500. I paid like $600 for a Pentium 2 or 3, I forgot which, and it was like the second to last tier. WTF were you building 20+ years ago?

Yeah. My first PC was a Compaq in 1999 with a massive 684Mhz Pentium processor, 512MB RAM, a Voodoo 3 GPU, and a 40GB hard drive. That cost $2000.



#117914 psunami   0118999881999119725.....3 CAGiversary!   3863 Posts   Joined 17.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 03:03 AM

My first PC, that I built, was a 486 DX 50 (because I needed the boost in the math co-processor damnit.) 

 

Wish I would have kept it rather than selling it all those years ago....

 

Those were the days.....



#117915 agentghost   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   5170 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 07:10 AM

Heh, I had seen a bunch of people praising the low-priced Nvidia cards yesterday so glad to come here and see some other takes. I admit that the prices aren't that bad, but I've never spent $500 on a single piece of computer hardware and I've been building my own PCs for over 20 years, so it is a little disheartening to see the cheapest of these awesome new cards to be at that price point. 

 

It's also kinda crazy how I've been hearing people for months groaning at the idea of paying $500 for the new consoles and saying that there's no way that the new Xbox or PS5 would be priced at over $500 because nobody would buy them. And yet people are overjoyed at only having to pay 500 or 800 for a new video card.

 

Even crazier to hear the same people excited by these prices get angry over Avengers' battle passes which are practically free and only give you cosmetics. 

You are talking about 2 different market segments here.  High end PC gaming versus Console gaming.  Why don't you throw in mobile gaming while you are at it?  Apple vs. Orange here



#117916 elessar123  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 07:59 AM

Yeah. My first PC was a Compaq in 1999 with a massive 684Mhz Pentium processor, 512MB RAM, a Voodoo 3 GPU, and a 40GB hard drive. That cost $2000.

It's funny, I actually forgot how cheap graphics cards were. My Voodoo 3 3000 from ~19981 was like $125, and that was relatively high end at the time.

 

1. I don't get to tell this story much, but a friend of a friend was like a tester or something, and got us Voodoo 3s like 6 months early for cheaper than MSRP. I don't remember the details, but I think he asked about them summer '98 and got them around Christmas? It was in the same retail boxes that the actual releases were in. Still the only time I've seen someone use a full size tower irl. And he had like 10 SCSI hard drives, though I don't remember how much space that was. Probably some massive number, like a gigabyte2. His setup was like 10 grand back then.

 

2. lol. I might even be overestimating.



#117917 MysterD   40 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th 1980-2020)) CAGiversary!   26746 Posts   Joined 17.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 10:59 AM

My first PC had Windows 95.  133mhz Pentium. And a good old CD drive. I think the vid card might've been....1MB and integrated back then? God that from a custom-build shop; a local spot around here. Doubt it's here anymore. Man, those were the days! DN3D, Quake 1 + 2, MechWarrior 2 Mercs - a lot of really old classics on that one!

 

Oooh, I had a Compaq back in early 2000's or so. W98 SE was on it. Circuit City had it on sale w/ a good deal of $ off (hundreds of $). Had a AMD Athlon 700Mhz in there. 2 drives - DVD burner and DVD-ROM. I had to upgrade the vid card at some point. I think it had a TNT Riva, originally? I needed a new one and put in a 64MB GeForce 2 MX 400; I think that was like $80. My first real video card upgrade. Ahhh, yes; that was great. Good old days. Ran Deus Ex 1, BG games, PST, and other classics on that PC; especially after that awesome upgrade.

 

Years later, in very early 2005, found another good local PC shop. Win XP PC. Bought a custom built PC there. Ran stuff like Half-Life 2, Bloodlines, and Riddick on that one. I think I had a 6600, in there? I don't remember what I had out the gate, but...I think I put in a GeForce 8800 GT, when it was upgrade time.

 

The first PC built - 2011. W7 PC. All over the place, I got parts - Microcenter, TigerDirect, Amazon, NewEgg, etc etc. The aging desktop that's been upgraded a few times. Put in a 560 Ti 1GB, back then - to get it going. Had Witcher 2 on pre-order and was ready for it, on day 1. Got it built, not long before W2's launch. Eventually bought a GTX 960 4GB (that was a little over $220, I think?) from the Bezos store. A year later or so after the 960 4gb purchase, since a buddy bought a new Alienware and had to have the latest and greatest when it hit the shelves, as his PC wasn't loaded with it - so he sold me a barely used GTX 970 for $100 back when he decided to change his PC's card to a GTX 1070 when it launched (at $700!). That 970's been in there ever since.

 

And sure I've had some laptops in the time (Acer Nitro with a 4gb 960M and now a SC15 laptop with 6gb GTX 1060) - but yeah, here I am, in desktop build or buy mode again. And now, I'm staring at 3070's aiming for the $500 range, yet curious how a 3060 might turn out and how much VRAM that might have. Sheesh.

 

Man, Windows PC's, games, and whatnot have came such a long way since 1995.



#117918 Z-Saber   moon2S CAGiversary!   7058 Posts   Joined 16.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 11:29 AM

Windows 3.1, baby. CD drive? Try a 5.25" floppy disk drive, not that 3.5" rigid thing you call floppy.








I'll wait.

#117919 MinDRioT   slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel CAGiversary!   4944 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:08 PM

... not that 3.5" rigid thing you call floppy.



 

That's what MysterD's mom said to rcsample! AMIRITE?!?!?!?

 

That is what the young people these days call a burn. Tremendous burn! I burn LIKE NO PRESIDENT HAS EVER BURNED BEFORE!! The RADICAL LEFT wouldn't even attempt such a burn!!! TOO POLITICALLY CORRECT!!!!! TERRIBLE FOR OUR COUNTRY!!!!!



#117920 Z-Saber   moon2S CAGiversary!   7058 Posts   Joined 16.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:09 PM

There it is.

#117921 INMATEofARKHAM   Looking for my padded cell CAGiversary!   6057 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

INMATEofARKHAM

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:21 PM

Avengers preview.



Tldr: better performance than beta, story is better, voice work is weak, level design is atrocious, gameplay is fun for a bit but it doesn't have lasting power.

Kind of what I thought it would be.

#117922 nny   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   645 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:35 PM

^

 

But it is still similar to the gpu realm. You can get an i7 since sandy that will easily go 5 years, but thats if you spent the money on an i7 to make it worth it, the i5's fared nowhere near as well.  Same goes for the i5 4xx intel series, they couldnt even keep up with the 10 series nvidia cards without horribly bottlenecking them in lots of games. I had a couple of friends that had to return their 1080's over that.

 

Its always the more you pay (to a certain extent, theres always way overpriced enthusiast parts) the more lifetime you will get out of it. Which is something that sometimes seems to get lost in this 'CAG' realm. People looking to skimp 25/50/100$ here and there on a build but end up with something that lasts 2 years less.

 

Its all a trade off. Just like the gpu realm, the 1080's are good enough to last well into their 5 year birthday next May, but Im not sure the same can be said of the lower end cards in that same time frame (which will have only been 2 years for the 1660's), how many people will jump on the 3060 when that releases in 6mo-1year, giving them at most 2.5-3 years out of their investment.  Thats an extra 2-3 years of game play with much higher settings (and presumably enjoyment depending on the definition) to the higher end card, but of course at an extra cost, that basically balances out in the end but you can play at higher settings through the life of the card in the higher end case.

I've got an i5 that's 5-6 years old and a 1070 and I can still run most games at high settings. That's partially why I'm shocked at people so willing to lay down large amounts of money on hardware. There just isn't that much software out there that takes advantage of that gap in quality even 4-6 years down the line.

 

In regards to paying for a longer life, computer parts used to die off more frequently so it wasn't as worth it to pay for higher priced parts back in the day if you were going to have to replace parts regardless after a couple years. I am more willing to lay down a little extra nowadays since the overall quality of parts is so much higher. Even though I got a good deal on my 1070 4 years ago, I still felt like I was splurging to buy it since I was paying over $300 for a video card. I felt like it would be worth it since I'd be getting a better experience up front and future-proofing myself and I'm really happy with that purchase. It's just that I was used to paying ~$200 for video cards for a long time and for my last build I had to pay over 300 and when I most likely upgrade next year, I'll probably have to pay over 400 to get the best value. In the span of 2 generations for me, the price for a decent card has more than doubled while it seems like most other people think $500 is cheap.

 

Maybe it's also just a part of getting older. Like when I go to a fast food restaurant and end up paying close to $10 for a meal and think about how we used to be able to get a meal at a decent restaurant for that price.



#117923 MinDRioT   slipping through the cracks of a stolen jewel CAGiversary!   4944 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 01:39 PM

There it is.

That was a beautiful setup. Truly beautiful. You're doing tremendous work for our country!



#117924 MysterD   40 Year Old Birthday Toaster (Oct. 25th 1980-2020)) CAGiversary!   26746 Posts   Joined 17.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 03:09 PM

Epic Game Store Freebies

 

Free Games Page:

 

This week:

  • Into The Breach

 

Next week:

  • Railway Empire
  • Where The Water Tastes Like Wine


#117925 Neuro5i5   pʎslǝxıɔ CAGiversary!   10596 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 03:43 PM

Remember when you could go to Taco Bell, pay $5 and eat for a week?

 

Pepperidge Farm I remember.

 

I also remember $.78/gallon gas.

 

And Bernoulli drives.

 

And Adventure on tape on my TI-99/4A.



#117926 BaeStuped   Better Than You CAGiversary!   21395 Posts   Joined 15.3 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 04:00 PM

I mean, Taco Bell still has some of the better values in fast food with their $5 boxes.

 

Also, I know none of you losers have friends, but if you do make friends, this seems like a decent free MP game:

 

https://www.epicgame...diabotical/home

 

All hail the Epic overlords!

 

Also, the bros played Killstreak.tv this week - F2P on steam.  It's a fun deathmatch game with some fun classic modes like golden gun and armory.  Could use more maps but not complaining at free.



#117927 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5725 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 04:08 PM

Avengers preview.


Tldr: better performance than beta, story is better, voice work is weak, level design is atrocious, gameplay is fun for a bit but it doesn't have lasting power.

Kind of what I thought it would be.

I can't really tell any difference in performance. The V/O seems fine to me so far, although the design decision to make the protagonists look similar-to-but-different-from their movie counterparts is a bit peculiar. Not-quite-Scarlett-Johannson and Not-quite-Mark-Ruffalo just look odd. I would agree about the design so far. The levels I've been playing through with Ms. Marvel involved a LOT of janky platforming and CD took the lazy way out by making missteps fatal (I'm comparing this to Spider-Man again, fairly or unfairly, but that cat could fall from the top of the Empire State Building and land on his feet, perfectly unharmed, and I'm attributing that at least in part to the fact that that dev actually took the trouble to properly map out the areas the character was traversing), which requires waiting about 5-10 seconds for the level to reload once you plummet to your death. That actually gets old quite quickly. The combat is entertaining enough and the story is interesting so far. Whether all of that will end up outweighing the frustration from all of the jumping and faffing-about and dying because I didn't press X at the right time or I held it down instead of tapping it only time will tell.

I mean, Taco Bell still has some of the better values in fast food with their $5 boxes.
 
Also, I know none of you losers have friends, but if you do make friends, this seems like a decent free MP game:
 
https://www.epicgame...diabotical/home


Making friends just to play this doesn't seem worth it.

Cheesy Fiesta Potatoes are quality.

Edited by warreni, 03 September 2020 - 04:13 PM.


#117928 BMXJouster   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1481 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 04:09 PM

So it looks like THQ Nordic finally addressed what they plan to do for previous owners of Kingdoms of Amalur on Steam when the re-release comes out next week.

 

https://steamcommuni...76208531890295/

 

If you own the original game on Steam you will get a 50% discount on the re-release.  And this will stack with the launch 10% discount they're going to be doing as well.  Also, this applies to the base game (MSRP $39.99) or the Fate Edition (MSRP $54.99), which is the bundle that will include the brand new expansion when it releases next year.  This offer will run for two months.

 

This deal does not apply to people who own the game on Origin though.



#117929 warreni   Eminently punchable CAGiversary!   5725 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 04:15 PM

So it looks like THQ Nordic finally addressed what they plan to do for previous owners of Kingdoms of Amalur on Steam when the re-release comes out next week.

 

https://steamcommuni...76208531890295/

 

If you own the original game on Steam you will get a 50% discount on the re-release.  And this will stack with the launch 10% discount they're going to be doing as well.  Also, this applies to the base game or the Fate Edition, which is the bundle that will include the brand new expansion when it releases next year.  This offer will run for two months.

 

This deal does not apply to people who own the game on Origin though.

Hm. Sounds mildly tempting. Unlike many folks, I enjoyed KoA back in the day, but if this expansion business requires starting over. . . well, I'd probably just as soon play something new. 



#117930 Souffrir   Eternally Training CAG CAGiversary!   5656 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 September 2020 - 04:28 PM

I mean, Taco Bell still has some of the better values in fast food with their $5 boxes.


Wouldn’t it need to serve actual food for that to be true?