UPDATED:Anyone know anything about surround sound? Care to give some advice?

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Hope this is the place to post this, if not please point me the the right direction lol

So I'm giving my mancave a overhaul and now I have gotten to the surround sound. Pretty cheap system to be honest, a RCA RT2911, it only does Dolby Digital. I'm looking for one that can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master. The thing is this is not my area of knowledge. I'm a compete newie as you can tell but what I originally brought lol. I have been trying to do some research though. I have 2 systems in mind and would like some advice if you know things in this area of technology. The first is a "home theater in a box", which most places say stay away from but this one seems to be the go to one. It's a Onkyo HT S3500 and it has everything with it. It can be had for around $250. My 2nd choice is a Denon ARV E200. It's just the receiver and no speakers. I read it's nice to get a good receiver and add stuff as you go. So I was thinking of getting that and using the speakers that are with the RCA and slowly upgrading to better stuff. The Denon can be brought for $150ish.

Which would you think is better? Or do you have any other suggestions? I cant pay much at first so I would have to get a "all in one system" at $300ish or build one a little at a time.

I'm a compete noob but it sends the Denon would be better with 175 watts per channel vs the Onkyo 110 per channel. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you know if anything better for cheaper please let me know. I don't what I'm doing.........lol

O btw it is going to be used for gaming and Blu Ray watching mainly. That's where the TrueHD and DTS HD come into play.

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Hope this is the place to post this, if not please point me the the right direction lol

So I'm giving my mancave a overhaul and now I have gotten to the surround sound. Pretty cheap system to be honest, a RCA RT2911, it only does Dolby Digital. I'm looking for one that can do Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD Master. The thing is this is not my area of knowledge. I'm a compete newie as you can tell but what I originally brought lol. I have been trying to do some research though. I have 2 systems in mind and would like some advice if you know things in this area of technology. The first is a "home theater in a box", which most places say stay away from but this one seems to be the go to one. It's a Onkyo HT S3500 and it has everything with it. It can be had for around $250. My 2nd choice is a Denon ARV E200. It's just the receiver and no speakers. I read it's nice to get a good receiver and add stuff as you go. So I was thinking of getting that and using the speakers that are with the RCA and slowly upgrading to better stuff. The Denon can be brought for $150ish.

Which would you think is better? Or do you have any other suggestions? I cant pay much at first so I would have to get a "all in one system" at $300ish or build one a little at a time.

I'm a compete noob but it sends the Denon would be better with 175 watts per channel vs the Onkyo 110 per channel. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you know if anything better for cheaper please let me know. I don't what I'm doing.........lol

O btw it is going to be used for gaming and Blu Ray watching mainly. That's where the TrueHD and DTS HD come into play.
Been a long time since I shopped, but here is my take. First, how big is the area that you are trying to fill? Second, get the receiver and the speakers separate. Third, when I was shopping it was Yamaha and denon that dominated the consumer markets. They always had better build quality over onkyo.

If your theater area is small, say roughly couch size, you can get away with a 5.1 setup in s box. Bose, klipsch etc all make nice ones. If you crank music out of them they will fail over time, but for what you described it would be fine. Speakers are small but it you get decent ones you'll be fine. Plus they have a small footprint and fit a variety of stands. Thus is your best/cheapest option.

If your looking to rock the house, prepare to spend sone money. Don't buy junk here just because the speakers are bigger. Save up and do it right. Good, clear, large speakers are pricey.

Also, take into consideration if you may be disturbing people above you. It gets loud with a big system.
 
Thanks for the advice! The room it's going in is slightly 12 x 12 ish. I can get exact measurements if that matters. I don't have any close neighbors to worry about either

I am a little confused though, one part you say buy everything separate and the other you say an all in one would be ok lol
 
I have come down to 2 choices. A Onkyo HT S3500 or a Denon AVR E200 with Monoprice 5.1 speaker set. I'm not to knowledgeable in this area so I was wondering if someone could tell me which speakers are better and what overall is better. To me the Denon SEEMS to be the better receiver and the Monoprice speakers seem to be more adjustable and at least on par with the speakers in the Onkyo set. Any advice would be great.

And mention obviously im not a audiophile. I just want something that sounds better than what I got now and can do Lossless audio streams.
 
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Either of those is going to be an upgrade over RCA (Really Crappy Audio) I usually go all Samsung with electronics, so if you want a cost effective complete setup fast I'd lean towards them.

For the best sound do Bose. It's expensive, but in a room like that you can get away with just the woofer and head speaker to start. Add the other speakers over time if you want, but the bass and crispness of a Bose surround setup is impressive without extras.
 
Either of those is going to be an upgrade over RCA (Really Crappy Audio) I usually go all Samsung with electronics, so if you want a cost effective complete setup fast I'd lean towards them.

For the best sound do Bose. It's expensive, but in a room like that you can get away with just the woofer and head speaker to start. Add the other speakers over time if you want, but the bass and crispness of a Bose surround setup is impressive without extras.
thanks,i ended up going with the Denon with Monoprice speakers

 
How much did you buy the Monoprice speaker system for? I got an email today pricing them as $165.59. I don't have any experience whether they can adjust the price although depending on your credit card they may also offer a price adjustment.
 
How much did you buy the Monoprice speaker system for? I got an email today pricing them as $165.59. I don't have any experience whether they can adjust the price although depending on your credit card they may also offer a price adjustment.
I actually got the cheaper ones for 80 with free song l shipping, but thanks for the heads up
 
Damn sorry I'm late, and Denon is good.

Again, excuse me and you know.from experience I kinda fumble through tryi g to sound accurate with this stuff but, from my limited experience with receivers, I think you'd like to look for the following features:

-5.1 surround with 1100 or greater total wattage output. 800p-850 watt may also be acceptable, but it could also have potential for more upgrade. If the speakers are small, then the quality may be identical, and variamces may only show up if/when adding larger fronts or centers. I believe wattage is a total rating, and it is split between speaker channels (so you don't technically get 1100 watts of power through each speaker). 7.2, as you know, has two extra speakers and an extra sub. Experts will tell you 5.1 is good enough for most rooms. The extra two speakers for 7.2 are rear channel, and are meant for big rooms, situated far behind your viewing area, (so equidistant to the rear of your sitting area as the front speakers are to your sitting area). My couch is against the wall, so there's simply no room to place these speakers to set up the intended sound field. That said, I do like the idea of still having a spare channel for another subwoofer, which an expert may scoff at but exciting to a guy like me. Remember, though, a good sub and setup will blend with your speakers. Yeah, you will know your bass is coming from your sub, and guests may assume it, but you should never really be hearing your sub and determine its location. I paid $600/for "Definitive ProCinema 600," speakers in a box, not savvy on the name, but it also came with a $200 bundle discount at Best Buy. I was over my budget, and I figure I'll just replace the speakers gradually after paying off the financing anyway, giving me plenty of time to research more options and look for sales. Also, as a side note, a lot of speaker and receiver ratings are peak ratings, and how long/often they will stay in this peak with quality is depending on your media and equipment manufacturer, just know that there are still other variables in addition to wattage not listed on boxes, and why two systems or speakers can have a great variance in price or customer ratings despite "looking lime a better deal." Like a Sony TV, I can just trust a Denon receiver. Compare with Onkyo, but I don't do much price/spec comparisons outside of that.

-3D or 4k passthrough. If you plan on getting a 4k/UHD TV, you should make sure the receiver has this on at least one of the inputs. My receiver is a Denon AVR X1100, paid $360 at Best Buy, but also got it for cheaper thanks to taking the open box deal I saved $140 total on the receiver. If you don't have 4k passthrough on the receiver, you will have to run directly to TV for 4k (I guess, depending on the device having that resolution output too, but I think all we can do with current tech is "upscale" 1080p to UHD aka 4k)), then use digital optical out from TV to receiver. This is fine for Dolby but will not achieve "lossless Dolby DTS HD." What this really translates to is that I had been using digital optical, but sometimes when there were some really dynamic sounds in Resident Evil 6, lime gunshots on top of explosions, my speakers would crackle a little, and switching to HDMI fixed the issue. PS3 also doesn't even let me select Dolby DTS HD as an output setting until I switched my 1 HDMI console to TV setup to a 2 HDMI console-to-receiver and receiver-to-tv connection.

-other options: Audyssey optimal audio setup, most Denon come with this feature and mic, but you'll want to be sure you run it after placing speakers to calibrate your sound field properly.

Bluetooth support- a cool preference of mine, so I can just play music from phone, pretty self explanatory. There is often an audio lag when using Bluetooth (maybe a variance between devices, such as Android or tablet or computer), but bottom line, watching a movie on your tab with audio going through Bluetooth is pretty much an impossibility due to the audio lag, so co sider it only for music/radio/podcast option.

-internet/network ready- there's also WiFi and internet Ethernet port on my receiver, and a Spotify sticker on the unit, with an "Internet radio" button on the remote that may be useful or interesting to some, but I have zero interest in this feature, since my phone is my radio and Bluetooth is the wires. Note, on the subject of audio compression, I play mp3s through the phone, which is compressed audio, so just kind of a funny irony that even after all the setup work, sometimes convenience trumps perfect quality.

-other recommends- at least two HDMI 1.4 or v2 rating. I believe I have HDMI version 2 by Rocketfish. They were much cheaper than Monster, however I've had Rocketfish HDMI and Rocketfish laptop power adapters and external hard drive readers simply just "fall apart" after use/heat, so don't be surprised if that happens. These HDMIs were about $30 a piece I believe, and they're rated 18Gbps, 4k/UHD video, 3d, 240 Hz framerate, deep color, and Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD. I think 1.4 rating also supports all the above, but for the most info, check HDMI.org

-subwoofer cable- any old cheapy male-male RCA should do the trick here, I really don't think subwoofer cable matter much at all. It's the sub that's going to have more sensitive high-low ranges and a $13 or $60 sub cable vs generic RCA shouldn't matter. A pro might argue otherwise.

-speaker wire- gauge is the most important factor, and I got a 250' roll pretty cheap from Amazon. I still have some on the spool and I've wired two and a half systems with that roll now. 16 gauge is recommended, I believe, so I went with 14. 12 gauge is probably too thick that you might even lose some quality, but I think it's more of an assumption than a fact, but an electrician or audio specialist could probably clarify this point.

-speaker stands- the last component, after you get everything working and are happy with your speakers, if you have small speakers and satellite rears, you may want to consider getting speaker stands depending on your future plans. The goal (in addition to looking nice) with the stands is to get your fronts and rears in a parallel plane, so that you get a uniform sound field pointed at and pouring directly into your auditory canals.

-extended warrants- up to you, but the extended warranty on my audio stuff was pretty cheap. Bestbuy also told me, "If a pixel goes out on my TV, geeksquad would come to your house to fix it," which I'm not sure the actual process for audio stuff, but still so.ething to consider. I usually scoff at extended warranty but my TV and audio receiver was a must. I've had to take an old Denon in to bestbuy after it mysteriously quit turning on one day. Even with that hiccup, I've been so happy with it, I bought another future generation.


Hope this helps answer some of the questions you had, and maybe some that you will. I'd be happy to attempt to answer others, too, if you have any new ones that i may not have covered. I also have pics on my phone of my setup and even the cable wire boxes if you need or want to see any of that.
 
PS: my receiver is 80-watts per channel, yours is 75 watts per channel and supports HDMI v1.4, 3D and 4k passthrough, according to an Internet product page I found.

I'm not sure what happens when you use a v2 HDMI on a product that supports up to 1.4 but I imagine nothing much.

Seems like a helluva good entry choice receiver to me, especially when you compare prices.
 
PS: my receiver is 80-watts per channel, yours is 75 watts per channel and supports HDMI v1.4, 3D and 4k passthrough, according to an Internet product page I found.

I'm not sure what happens when you use a v2 HDMI on a product that supports up to 1.4 but I imagine nothing much.

Seems like a helluva good entry choice receiver to me, especially when you compare prices.
Wow between this and my blu ray thread you been my go to guy haha, unfortunately some of your advice is a little to late cause my receiver and speakers are on the way, but I think I will get 16 g wire, also my speakers come with turning wall mounts, admittedly I just skimmed through your answer if I'm honest but I will definitely look into it with more depth when everything gets here, thanks for the help and with the other thread too
 
No sweat, just read that wall of text when youre bored or not at all, it was mostly just about the bells and whistles of a receiver and speakers. You got the part about the speaker wire which was probably most important, but the main point I was trying to make with that is, being a CAG person, shop speaker wire by gauge and price, not brand name.

The difference between regular speaker wire and Monster speaker wire is generally just extra/thicker plastic insulation and an insane price markup. I was suckered into buying it once, only had enough for my front speakers, and was super, super annoyed by its lack of flexibility and concealment ability.

Anyway and again, sounds like a great unit for the price. Hope you have fun hooking it all up, but its gonna be pretty fun do-it-yourself project, I think. Oh yeah and wire cutters and/or strippers or a carpenter knife, should be about the only tool you'd need. I guess an average/regular area may take around 80-100' of speaker wire? Maybe a lot less... 4-6' for three fronts and then most of the length running it so you can conceal if you dont have in-wall wires, tho I also tend to leave extra slack in case you want to move them a bit as you tweak your sound field, as you really should the first few days after setup unless you happen to just be a natural at home theatre and audio.

Sorry to be too wordy I might just be more excited than you are haha.
 
Sorry bump this but I wanted to say I finally got it all set up yesterday and WOW it was well worth it! The sound is 100 times better,I can turn it up(not even all the way up) and hear it outside and it's still crystal clear,I can definitely hear the difference over my old, so glad I pulled the trigger and did it, Dragon Ball Z and Lost sound great, glad I waited to rewatch them on Blu Ray, thanks to everyone that answered!
 
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