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#33121 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   843 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 29 May 2021 - 08:32 PM

It's kinda hard to say since you can't see your entire skill tree in the demo but it doesn't seem like a game that is going to have a bunch of combos or anything like that. The focus seems more on meter and throw management since they allow you to extend a combo infinitely.

 

The game does not really explain it at all but when you throw you reset your combo, including the triangle/Y attack which builds a bunch of meter. It doesn't matter too much on the ground but what they also don't tell you that you can do all that in the air as well. Once you get the hang of it you can do infinite air combos. And if you're in an area with a lot of throwable objects you can basically machine gun them in the air as there is a skill where you generate more meter with aerial attacks.

 

So far my experience with the demo is that it's one of those games where the more aggressive you play the safer you generally are. After playing through it a few times I don't even bother with dodging outside of the boss or if I want to reposition. Better off just locking an enemy into a combo until they're dead. Few enemies you can't do that too but in the demo at least you don't run into them much.

 

Those box enemies are an example of that, dunno what you can do other then just charge up the stealth attack all the way and then finish them off when they're stunned. Though tbh I haven't played the female character that much as I prefer the moveset of the male character. He doesn't encounter them so not sure if there is some other trick.



#33122 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   6554 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 29 May 2021 - 08:47 PM

They are that awful.

#33123 Sir_Fragalot   wants Startropics 3. CAGiversary!   8840 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Sir_Fragalot

Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:15 PM

Tried the demo. I didn't hate Scarlett Nexus, but I didn't love it either. $60 is a hard sell on this game for me, and while I'm not a graphics snob I wish it looked better on the Series X. I will pick it up on the cheap, and since it's Namco, it will go on sale.



#33124 Rahxephon91   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   130 Posts   Joined 17.2 Years Ago  

Rahxephon91

Posted 31 May 2021 - 12:15 AM

https://www.target.c...st/-/N-10005300

 

Has anyone ever come across this?

 

Didn't know Target.com had 3rd party sellers. 

 

This seller has some niche games. Not the most amazing prices, but a little bellow others.



#33125 Josef   Raising Acts! CAGiversary!   13479 Posts   Joined 17.5 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 12:40 AM

https://www.target.c...st/-/N-10005300

 

Has anyone ever come across this?

 

Didn't know Target.com had 3rd party sellers. 

 

This seller has some niche games. Not the most amazing prices, but a little bellow others.

Yep, I actually used them last week for Demolition Racer: No Exit (Dreamcast) for $14.99.

 

https://www.target.c...267#lnk=sametab

 

Quick shipping, free shipping with red card, it was nice.

 

Looks like they are Game Quest Direct, a fairly well known game retailer that I mostly remember from the early 2000's.



#33126 Kaiser499   Gaming Guru CAGiversary!   4414 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 10:51 AM

Yep, I actually used them last week for Demolition Racer: No Exit (Dreamcast) for $14.99.

 

https://www.target.c...267#lnk=sametab

 

Quick shipping, free shipping with red card, it was nice.

 

Looks like they are Game Quest Direct, a fairly well known game retailer that I mostly remember from the early 2000's.

 

I wish they had a dedicated website like they used to, I got my imported PS1 Dragonball Z games from them years ago along with a gold finger.



#33127 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:23 PM

Yep, I actually used them last week for Demolition Racer: No Exit (Dreamcast) for $14.99.

 

https://www.target.c...267#lnk=sametab

 

Quick shipping, free shipping with red card, it was nice.

 

Looks like they are Game Quest Direct, a fairly well known game retailer that I mostly remember from the early 2000's.

Wow, now there's a name that brings back memories. Still remember the Persona 2/Rhapsody fiasco. 



#33128 Kaiser499   Gaming Guru CAGiversary!   4414 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:24 PM

Wow, now there's a name that brings back memories. Still remember the Persona 2/Rhapsody fiasco. 

 

What was the fiasco?



#33129 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:35 PM

What was the fiasco?

Back around the mid-00s, they listed brand new copies of Persona 2 and Rhapsody for $40 or $50 (or something), which was a great price since at the time, both games were pretty pricey (like $80-90 used range). None of us CAGs knew there was a reprint, nor did anyone really know who GQD was so everyone was suspicious (but still ordered it) and the store maintained that they just found a few cases of the game in a warehouse.

 

Once we started getting the games and found that they did not have a white security strip- everyone was up in arms because 1) as far as I know, this was the first time games were reprinted or possibly one of the first times, 2) being a time when you could actually find games on sale, knowing the market prices plummet meant many would have rather waited for a cheap used copy, and 3) GQD lied. Obviously at the time, point #1 was a more contentious point... collectors weren't used to the concept of reprints and non-collectors were happy to have a copy to play, but all agreed that GQD lied about the situation. 

 

I was able to find a story about it, this is prob way better/more detailed than my short story. 

https://www.silicone...ss-of-reprints/

 

EDIT* I should add that beyond this issue, they're DealTavern/GQD are a perfectly fine retailer. You'll get legit copies of games but if you want something from them, buy it now if you like the price. They jack up their prices to match market. 

 

EDIT2* I found my old receipt for Persona 2/Rhapsody- they were $50 each.  



#33130 toska  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:38 PM

oh the dealtavern user on ebay

is everything they sell a reprint?

 

i try to avoid ordering anything from them but i got a copy of 7th dragon iii for $40 a while ago and it was the big box version people were selling for $100~



#33131 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:47 PM

oh the dealtavern user on ebay

is everything they sell a reprint?

 

i try to avoid ordering anything from them but i got a copy of 7th dragon iii for $40 a while ago and it was the big box version people were selling for $100~

I ordered from them regularly until like a year ago and can say no, not everything is a reprint. They are a normal retailer so they keep inventory of new releases and whatnot like anyone else. But unlike most places, they don't put anything on sale so their inventory hangs around for quite a long time. But if you do happen to find a older, hard to find game and they happen to have tons of copies- then odds are they ordered a reprint.

 

Only reason I stopped ordering from them is because of a return issue- I ordered a copy of Fatal Frame 3 and it arrived in horrible shape. I asked for a return and they said shelf wear is normal (about 1/10th of the shrinkwrap was ripped off, there was heavy external cosmetic damage) but I could return it without any restocking fee... but then they charged me a restocking fee upon return, and flat out refused to acknowledge the restocking free, even though Amazon shows a line that says restocking fee. 



#33132 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   6554 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 31 May 2021 - 03:02 PM

Sounds like gamestop but without the odds of something coming disc/cart only. I looked through their list out of curiosity and most of the stuff they have is reasonably priced outside older stuff like the ps2 atelier titles that they want 50-80$ for.  If they had something that was actually rare like mana khemia 2 I could justify the price jump.  But no way would the iris games go for that much dosh.  Sadly nothing else they had that I specifically wanted. 



#33133 Souffrir   Eternally Training CAG CAGiversary!   5737 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 04:32 PM

Back around the mid-00s, they listed brand new copies of Persona 2 and Rhapsody for $40 or $50 (or something), which was a great price since at the time, both games were pretty pricey (like $80-90 used range). None of us CAGs knew there was a reprint, nor did anyone really know who GQD was so everyone was suspicious (but still ordered it) and the store maintained that they just found a few cases of the game in a warehouse.

Once we started getting the games and found that they did not have a white security strip- everyone was up in arms because 1) as far as I know, this was the first time games were reprinted or possibly one of the first times, 2) being a time when you could actually find games on sale, knowing the market prices plummet meant many would have rather waited for a cheap used copy, and 3) GQD lied. Obviously at the time, point #1 was a more contentious point... collectors weren't used to the concept of reprints and non-collectors were happy to have a copy to play, but all agreed that GQD lied about the situation.

I was able to find a story about it, this is prob way better/more detailed than my short story.
https://www.silicone...ss-of-reprints/

EDIT* I should add that beyond this issue, they're DealTavern/GQD are a perfectly fine retailer. You'll get legit copies of games but if you want something from them, buy it now if you like the price. They jack up their prices to match market.

EDIT2* I found my old receipt for Persona 2/Rhapsody- they were $50 each.


Is there any way to determine whether a copy of Rhapsody is this reprint version or not? I bought a copy sometime around the mid-00s, but I don’t remember the circumstances and this is my first time hearing about any of this.

#33134 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 05:22 PM

Is there any way to determine whether a copy of Rhapsody is this reprint version or not? I bought a copy sometime around the mid-00s, but I don’t remember the circumstances and this is my first time hearing about any of this.

For sealed copies, it's easy- the original releases had the white security strip and the reprints did not (this was around the time Sony stopped using the white security strips on their games, PS2 games as well). 

 

If your copy is opened, then as far as I know, they're identical and no way to tell them apart... with the only exception being the case plastic. Original PS1 game jewel cases were thicker/heavier plastic than subsequent releases (much like the end of life PS2 game cases  where the mem card slot was removed, those also use thinner plastic). I can for certain say this is true- PS1 game cases did get lighter but I'm unsure if Persona 2 reprint came out around the time such case changes were made. 

 

EDIT* Here's examples for sealed copies:  

Security strip original release- https://www.ebay.com...Condition=1000 

No security strip reprint- https://www.ebay.com...mCondition=1000



#33135 gospelman   Irreducibly Complex CAGiversary!   3354 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

Posted 31 May 2021 - 10:00 PM

There's a new free costume available for Ryza 2. Probably also on console. 
https://store.steamp..._Summer_Formal/



#33136 BoxPizzaBox   Trash Tier CAGiversary!   1349 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

BoxPizzaBox

Posted 31 May 2021 - 10:39 PM

It is interesting how reprints sometimes have something slightly different.

I remember GameStop scoring some reprints of some rarer Wii games and selling them as used, like Dokapon Kingdom, but the art on the disc (at least for that game) was a different color I believe.



#33137 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   6554 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 01 June 2021 - 12:49 AM

GameStop did reprint of xenoblade and Metroid from what I recall. It was really scummy.

#33138 Photophonic  

Photophonic

Posted 01 June 2021 - 01:23 AM

Correct, they reprinted them and then sold them for way above MSRP because of the rarity of the game. Don't remember if they were listing them as new or used since it has been so long but it was a pretty dirty play. 



#33139 Covnam   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1454 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 01:27 AM

There's a new free costume available for Ryza 2. Probably also on console. 
https://store.steamp..._Summer_Formal/

 

https://store.playst...DDCOSTUME000014



#33140 NiiNJA   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   448 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 01:35 AM


I was able to find a story about it, this is prob way better/more detailed than my short story. 

https://www.silicone...ss-of-reprints/

per the article:
"A representative spokesperson has said that they decided to unload a sizeable amount of inventory to Gamestop at a bulk price. However since Gamestop sells used copies of these games at a higher price they’ve taken the liberty of unsealing and selling the brand new game as a used copy."
lmao I didn't know gamestop was pulling this shit before xenoblade



#33141 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 02:16 AM

Well since I've derailed the thread with reprint talk, I just realized there were reprints long before the aforementioned Persona 2/Rhapsody reprints and I actually own some of them (I found this out years after the Persona 2/Rhapsody):

-Turtles in Time and Super Return of the Jedi - Majesco reprinted both after their original release and the reprints have B&W manuals and have Majesco on the box. 

-Final Fantasy Adventure and Legends I-III on the Game Boy: Square printed the original and Sunsoft reprinted them, and as far as I know they're the same expect for the Square logo being replaced by the Sunsoft logo. 

 

It is interesting how reprints sometimes have something slightly different.

I remember GameStop scoring some reprints of some rarer Wii games and selling them as used, like Dokapon Kingdom, but the art on the disc (at least for that game) was a different color I believe.

I think the original Dokapon Kingdom had a blue etched artwork, whereas the reprint had a color disc artwork. There were other Wii reprints too on top of Prime Trilogy and Xenoblade (The Calling, One Piece). Super Mario All-Stars Limited Edition was reprinted too. 

 

With Nintendo, there were also tons of French Canadian reprints in the late Wii/early 3DS days... this is easy to tell because originals have English only on the back of the Box and ESRB logo while reprints have English/French. Ocarina of Time 3D was of them and I think Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn was another. 



#33142 akgamerx  

akgamerx

Posted 01 June 2021 - 04:36 AM

DealTavern is possibly the scummiest game seller online lol. I've gotten "International Version UAE" garbage from them multiple times that they have listed as NTSC. They ignore your messages until you have to get eBay or Amazon involved "every" time, its happened multiple times because sadly they have some items where you literally have no other choice. Condition is a huge gamble, I've gotten destroyed things they actually thought was ok to sell to bad things in almost all instances, a few good items, great items maybe 1 or 2 out of 10 times. If you have an issue that's blatantly their fault and you call them out on it they block you flat out, no communication. They basically were sitting on a ton of shit value retro stuff for years with their shitty stock photos, got lucky as "F" when the market spiked and now like another guy said they consistently raise prices. That luck couldn't have happened to a shittier company in my opinion. If you alert them to an item by buying multiples, they'll cancel your order and raise the price, I've seen that happen numerous times.



#33143 nitrosmob   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10695 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 05:09 AM

There is a free Ryza 1 outfit as well celebrating the same thing. White outfit instead.

 

Link



#33144 shadowysea07   Cjenvy I'm ready for you awd this time I'm wearing pants CAGiversary!   6554 Posts   Joined 8.3 Years Ago  

shadowysea07

Posted 01 June 2021 - 05:12 AM

Correct, they reprinted them and then sold them for way above MSRP because of the rarity of the game. Don't remember if they were listing them as new or used since it has been so long but it was a pretty dirty play. 

They were selling them as used. That's the especially scummy part.  As if they wanted to print them and sell them at msrp that'd be fine.  But printing them and then selling them used to bypass that is shady. Made worse since it kept the prices inflated until people finally started to catch on a while later.  It definitely wasn't a rare game though. Honestly I'm unsure of why the price spiked in the first place. 



#33145 Mattiful-Joe   Henshin A Go-Go Baby! CAGiversary!   3375 Posts   Joined 17.9 Years Ago  

Mattiful-Joe

Posted 01 June 2021 - 05:56 AM

They were selling them as used. That's the especially scummy part.  As if they wanted to print them and sell them at msrp that'd be fine.  But printing them and then selling them used to bypass that is shady. Made worse since it kept the prices inflated until people finally started to catch on a while later.  It definitely wasn't a rare game though. Honestly I'm unsure of why the price spiked in the first place. 

Scummy as it may be, Gamestop couldn't just reprint those games without Nintendo's approval, so it's not entirely fair JUST to blame Gamestop for what happened.  Nintendo also gets the blame for letting the company do it.  Whatever the deal was, lots of copies of Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid Trilogy showed up at Gamestops.  For all we know, the reason they all showed up used was because Nintendo reprinted the games, took a big cut, and then had Gamestop sell them "used."  It wouldn't make sense for this to happen at the scale it did without NOA being involved/sanctioning the sales. 

 

In the end, I will say one benefit of this was that these games became more available to more players.  Until then, they were hard to find, so it was good to see the reprints.  Personally, I am ALL FOR publishers helping to reprint games.  Frankly, it's surprising Gamestop didn't do more of this using its retail influence.  Rather than publish original games, the company could have truly taken its slogan, power to the players, by helping bring OOP games back for sale.  That would have been a great brand assist, and helped move a lot of units through exclusivity (far better and more on-brand than Funkopop exclusives).  GameQuest Direct did this for a few games, and it proved very helpful for certain publishers to widen their customer base.  Oh well.  I suppose Gamestop could strike a deal with LRG, but even there, looks like Best Buy beat them to it. 



#33146 Souffrir   Eternally Training CAG CAGiversary!   5737 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 08:31 AM

NOA was just a little shit in general around the early 10s. They’ve gotten a bit better about not holding frigging Nintendo first party games hostage, but they still love their whole false scarcity schtick.

#33147 Kaiser499   Gaming Guru CAGiversary!   4414 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 01:53 PM

The reprint talk is fascinating, especially that GameQuestDirect article. I have been noticing some rare PS4 titles get reprinted lately as well, dropping the price back down to msrp levels.



#33148 nitrosmob   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10695 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 02:28 PM

As I've said a million times over games are a bad investment and playing on what will be rare is a fools game. I like reprints especially if it gets you a game you always wanted such as Xenoblade Chronicles back then. I got one of the reprints way back when (Ar Tonelico for PS2) from Goozex I think as well haha. I wasn't mad and I almost bought reprints of Yakuza 2 when VGP I believe did them a few years ago. Games are meant to be played and I would buy something like a Rule of Rose reprint (though honestly I'm not sure this game is too great). Of course we more hope for remasters/remakes, but eh whatever. More games in more peoples' hands is not a bad thing.



#33149 Kaiser499   Gaming Guru CAGiversary!   4414 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 02:37 PM

As I've said a million times over games are a bad investment and playing on what will be rare is a fools game. I like reprints especially if it gets you a game you always wanted such as Xenoblade Chronicles back then. I got one of the reprints way back when (Ar Tonelico for PS2) from Goozex I think as well haha. I wasn't mad and I almost bought reprints of Yakuza 2 when VGP I believe did them a few years ago. Games are meant to be played and I would buy something like a Rule of Rose reprint (though honestly I'm not sure this game is too great). Of course we more hope for remasters/remakes, but eh whatever. More games in more peoples' hands is not a bad thing.

 

The company that owns the Rule of Rose IP Onion Games sent out a survey back in March about a potential remaster for it, I filled it out and said yes I would like a remaster.



#33150 Vinny   Bang, bang... pew... CAGiversary!   24246 Posts   Joined 17.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 June 2021 - 03:16 PM

As I've said a million times over games are a bad investment and playing on what will be rare is a fools game. I like reprints especially if it gets you a game you always wanted such as Xenoblade Chronicles back then. I got one of the reprints way back when (Ar Tonelico for PS2) from Goozex I think as well haha. I wasn't mad and I almost bought reprints of Yakuza 2 when VGP I believe did them a few years ago. Games are meant to be played and I would buy something like a Rule of Rose reprint (though honestly I'm not sure this game is too great). Of course we more hope for remasters/remakes, but eh whatever. More games in more peoples' hands is not a bad thing.

 

Every investment can be a bad investment because of XYZ, speculation is a part of it. It's not like anyone has a magic 8-ball regarding what will be a good investment. 

 

But with tangible investments, at least you have something if it doesn't work out... 

Comic book collectors have something to read. 

Statue/toy collectors have something to display. 

Car collectors have something to drive. 

Video game collectors have something to play. 

 

The company that owns the Rule of Rose IP Onion Games sent out a survey back in March about a potential remaster for it, I filled it out and said yes I would like a remaster.

I'd be curious if this happens because a) the game if fucking brutally hard to play (read: literally hard to play due to actual design flaws; also I think was actually a hard too but I never made it very far) so if they do graphics only remaster then I can't see it getting much in terms of good press but a gameplay overhaul would be more work, and b) there was some the controversy regarding the subject matter (can't remember what it was).