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#22441 Nothing371   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   7104 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:01 PM

...So should I even keep playing FFXV yet? I started it at launch, got distracted by other games, then decided to hold off until Episode Ignis came out, but there's going to be even more? :roll:

Yeah, call me when the game is done.  I'm tired of the Square Enix business model.  It's not a consumer's job to facilitate your cashflow problems nor alleviate your crunch deadlines.  Plenty of other companies are releasing finished games. 



#22442 Supplice   Hi-Fi CAGiversary!   4699 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

Supplice

Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:17 PM

Shining Resonance Refrain Looks Charming in First PS4 Gameplay in English

 

Shining Resonance Refrain Won’t Be Censored in the West; Switch Version Will Run at 1080p Docked



#22443 Vigilante   The Deal Is Already Dead CAGiversary!   36580 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 February 2018 - 11:19 PM

Oh thank goodness, we can skip that topic.



#22444 The Dead Texan   Rest in Peace, Big Rizzle CAGiversary!   3690 Posts   Joined 9.6 Years Ago  

The Dead Texan

Posted 23 February 2018 - 11:22 PM

Yeah, call me when the game is done.  I'm tired of the Square Enix business model.  It's not a consumer's job to facilitate your cashflow problems nor alleviate your crunch deadlines.  Plenty of other companies are releasing finished games. 

 

A complete shitty game is still a turd. 



#22445 Ibacai  

Posted 23 February 2018 - 11:32 PM

Yeah, call me when the game is done. I'm tired of the Square Enix business model. It's not a consumer's job to facilitate your cashflow problems nor alleviate your crunch deadlines. Plenty of other companies are releasing finished games.

It looks like this isn’t just a Square Enix model though. Everyone seems to be jumping on board the games as a service mentality. It makes more money.

#22446 Zaku77   \m/ CAGiversary!   4553 Posts   Joined 8.6 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 12:13 AM

It looks like this isn’t just a Square Enix model though. Everyone seems to be jumping on board the games as a service mentality. It makes more money.

I think it can be more or less egregious depending on the genre. JRPG being among the worst genre to these types of things with.

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#22447 reaperztoll   Banned Banned   3366 Posts   Joined 4.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 12:56 AM

Square Enix can Fuck off. Terrible company and can only hope they dont ruin the DQ games the same way at this rate.

#22448 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   386 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:01 AM

It looks like this isn’t just a Square Enix model though. Everyone seems to be jumping on board the games as a service mentality. It makes more money.

Wouldn't really call FF15 a games as service kind of thing anyway, those types of games tend to build their whole game around keeping you around and pumping money into the game. FF15 is more just your standard rpg that has had some story (and a multi-player) episodes. 

 

I mean yes they've had plenty of other content additions like limited time events and special weekly quests but literally 100% of that stuff was free, that's not how a "games as service" functions. 



#22449 Ibacai  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:10 AM

I guess it just comes down to whether you want more content coming over time or if it is good with what is shipped. It can be done well with expansions and what not but also poorly with unfinished stories completed through paid dlc. I’m sort of riding the wave here and hoping we get the better end of the deal for most games.

#22450 TooPoor   ∀ Game, ∃ Buy Price CAGiversary!   11532 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:21 AM

Now I'm confused, I thought Royal Edition is the "includes everything" edition? Was actually going to buy the Royal edition, but if a Sovereign Edition is coming next, I'm going to hold off.



#22451 Olengie   Your Waifu is Kuso. Except Mine CAGiversary!   11093 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:25 AM

Now that a Season 2 of FFXV is confirmed, I can skip the Royal Edition and wait for the next edition.



#22452 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   386 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:44 AM

I guess it just comes down to whether you want more content coming over time or if it is good with what is shipped. It can be done well with expansions and what not but also poorly with unfinished stories completed through paid dlc. 

Well that is mostly what I was getting at with my first post, none of the additions they've made to the game really changes anything in a meaningful way story-wise. People waiting to buy the game when it's "complete" or whatever are pretty much just going to be playing the same game I played back when it first came out.

 

It's not like the dlc episodes add these huge swaths of missing content to the game or anything, the Gladio dlc is basically just some meaningless character building for him you can glean from the main game anyway, Prompto's episode had some additional backstory about the evil empire dudes that again is mostly meaningless, and like 2/3rds of the Ignis DLC is non-canon fan-fiction for people that wanted a different ending to the game (not even joking, legit 100% truth.) And then you have the multi-player stuff which doesn't really have any story and is just there for people that want to play a better version of the main game (aka me since I put almost as much time into it as I did the actual single player story.)

 

In my opinion the only major difference from playing the game at launch compared to now is the in-battle character swapping which is absolutely a meaningful change but that is un-related to the story/world stuff which is where most people's complaints seem to lie when it comes to calling the game in-complete or whatever.



#22453 Nothing371   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   7104 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 01:58 AM

Now that a Season 2 of FFXV is confirmed, I can skip the Royal Edition and wait for the next edition.

Yup.  SE so dumb they shoot themselves in the foot. 

 

Well that is mostly what I was getting at with my first post, none of the additions they've made to the game really changes anything in a meaningful way story-wise. People waiting to buy the game when it's "complete" or whatever are pretty much just going to be playing the same game I played back when it first came out.

 

It's not like the dlc episodes add these huge swaths of missing content to the game or anything, the Gladio dlc is basically just some meaningless character building for him you can glean from the main game anyway, Prompto's episode had some additional backstory about the evil empire dudes that again is mostly meaningless, and like 2/3rds of the Ignis DLC is non-canon fan-fiction for people that wanted a different ending to the game (not even joking, legit 100% truth.) And then you have the multi-player stuff which doesn't really have any story and is just there for people that want to play a better version of the main game (aka me since I put almost as much time into it as I did the actual single player story.)

 

In my opinion the only major difference from playing the game at launch compared to now is the in-battle character swapping which is absolutely a meaningful change but that is un-related to the story/world stuff which is where most people's complaints seem to lie when it comes to calling the game in-complete or whatever.

The point is that people want a complete game when they make a physical purchase. 

 

We all have backlogs.  FF15 isn't some ground-breaking GOTY contender that everyone has to play while it's still a new release.  We can wait.  Anyone who bought the Hitman or Life is Strange singular episodes instantly regretted it when the inevitable complete games released later.  Same thing with the upcoming FF7 remake; I learned my lesson.  I won't buy that crap. Not unless there's cool CE stuff I simply have to have. But we all know it will be ~$180, about twice as much as it should cost. 



#22454 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   386 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:23 AM

The point is that people want a complete game when they make a physical purchase.

That's my point though. Nothing they've added to the game is so ground breaking or earth changing that it warrants calling the game in-complete in the first place. All the updates and crap they've pushed out over the past year is basically meaningless fluff (with the one exception mentioned earlier.) 

 

People seem to have this weird notion that like 2 years down the line when they are done updating the game it's going to be this completely different product, my whole point is that is not the case at all. 

 

And lastly I am not arguing it's wrong to wait either, I buy most games dirt cheap because there are very few games I think are worth full price in the first place (I didn't buy FF15 for full price either for the record.) All I am saying is that people have a weird idea about what FF15 is that has no basis in reality. You comparing it to Life is Strange and Hitman is exactly what I am talking about, it has no comparisons to those games at all when it comes to actual content updates. 



#22455 Ibacai  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:58 AM

Well that is mostly what I was getting at with my first post, none of the additions they've made to the game really changes anything in a meaningful way story-wise. People waiting to buy the game when it's "complete" or whatever are pretty much just going to be playing the same game I played back when it first came out.

It's not like the dlc episodes add these huge swaths of missing content to the game or anything, the Gladio dlc is basically just some meaningless character building for him you can glean from the main game anyway, Prompto's episode had some additional backstory about the evil empire dudes that again is mostly meaningless, and like 2/3rds of the Ignis DLC is non-canon fan-fiction for people that wanted a different ending to the game (not even joking, legit 100% truth.) And then you have the multi-player stuff which doesn't really have any story and is just there for people that want to play a better version of the main game (aka me since I put almost as much time into it as I did the actual single player story.)

In my opinion the only major difference from playing the game at launch compared to now is the in-battle character swapping which is absolutely a meaningful change but that is un-related to the story/world stuff which is where most people's complaints seem to lie when it comes to calling the game in-complete or whatever.

I think that’s why I don’t have any problem with FFXV. The season 1 stuff isn’t completing the game, just adding more to it if you want. I actually think that’s a positive for the formula. If they make an RPG or what not that is all episodes, ala Life is Strange, I don’t think I’d like that.

#22456 62t   Zune Duck! CAGiversary!   19859 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 04:43 AM

Yup.  SE so dumb they shoot themselves in the foot. 

 

The point is that people want a complete game when they make a physical purchase. 

 

We all have backlogs.  FF15 isn't some ground-breaking GOTY contender that everyone has to play while it's still a new release.  We can wait.  Anyone who bought the Hitman or Life is Strange singular episodes instantly regretted it when the inevitable complete games released later.  Same thing with the upcoming FF7 remake; I learned my lesson.  I won't buy that crap. Not unless there's cool CE stuff I simply have to have. But we all know it will be ~$180, about twice as much as it should cost. 

Problem with Final Fantasy XV is that there are so many timed event (Moogle Chocobo Carnival, Assassin's Festival, etc.) that are gone for good after it is over.  And they need to be played in order too, you need the Dream Egg from Moogle Chocobo Carnival to get Master Assassin’s Robes in Assassin's Festival).  In the end the best way for people to experience the game is buying it at release.

 

You can also bet that there will be a Limited Edition for each FFVII remake episode.  



#22457 georox   The Captain CAGiversary!   7568 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 06:56 AM

I just want an FF7 PS4 Pro... I'm more hoping for it than the actual game at this point. I missed the Monster Hunter one... :(



#22458 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   386 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 24 February 2018 - 07:05 AM

I think that’s why I don’t have any problem with FFXV. The season 1 stuff isn’t completing the game, just adding more to it if you want. I actually think that’s a positive for the formula. If they make an RPG or what not that is all episodes, ala Life is Strange, I don’t think I’d like that.

I actually don't have much of a problem with episodic games in general but it doesn't fit the RPG format well. I assume most people did not follow FF4 The After Years as it came out on WiiWare but it was pretty dumb. The best part of RPGs is seeing characters level up and get stronger over the course of the game and that is entirely lost when you stick with a character for like an hour and a half before everything just ends and the story focus changes. 



#22459 Kaiser499   Gaming Guru CAGiversary!   3869 Posts   Joined 9.2 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 08:44 AM

Man they really put a lot of money into Final Fantasy XV over that 10 year period, they're still trying to milk the damn thing.



#22460 Supplice   Hi-Fi CAGiversary!   4699 Posts   Joined 8.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 09:31 AM

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#22461 janesvilleninja   CAG Ninja CAGiversary!   308 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

janesvilleninja

Posted 24 February 2018 - 05:48 PM

I don't get why everyone is bitching about all the new DLC. No one is forcing you buy the DLC if you want to wait for the "full game" then wait. I like the fact the game keep going.



#22462 whoknows   Time and Eternity for all of time and eternity CAGiversary!   40019 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 05:51 PM

It's weird people think that any dlc at all being released = game was released unfinished



#22463 Tothoro  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 08:30 PM

It's weird people think that any dlc at all being released = game was released unfinished

Yeah. There have definitely been some quality-of-life improvements that I feel should've been in the original FFXV release, but the character-centric episodes and Comrades were pretty clearly add-on content.



#22464 fanboy100  

fanboy100

Posted 24 February 2018 - 08:42 PM

i don't mind the last child being moved back from spring to  summer cuz i just spent the money i had saved that i used to preorder it in december and do have the money atm lol



#22465 TooPoor   ∀ Game, ∃ Buy Price CAGiversary!   11532 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

Posted 24 February 2018 - 11:27 PM

i don't mind the last child being moved back from spring to  summer cuz i just spent the money i had saved that i used to preorder it in december and do have the money atm lol


i no rite money is ervything and i hate commas too

#22466 ar4757   Makoto x Joker is canon CAGiversary!   866 Posts   Joined 4.1 Years Ago  

Posted 25 February 2018 - 12:53 AM

I don't get why everyone is bitching about all the new DLC. No one is forcing you buy the DLC if you want to wait for the "full game" then wait. I like the fact the game keep going.

My main problem with FFXV is they straight up admitted shortly after the game came out that they would be changing the ending of the game through a future patch. That basically told me to wait to buy it, so I could experience this "proper ending". It's been like a year now and I'm still waiting before buying. I'm not irritated or anything but it seems a little silly of Square 

 

 

Anyways, any of you guys played the demo for the Fist of the North Star Yakuza game (Hokuto no Ken) yet? Seemed pretty fun from what I played of it. Can't tell if it's the Yakuza 0/Kiwami engine or the new one. Basically plays like a flashy version of Yakuza 0, which is awesome! ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA



#22467 Nothing371   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   7104 Posts   Joined 6.9 Years Ago  

Posted 25 February 2018 - 01:50 AM

MH World rant:

 

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#22468 ar4757   Makoto x Joker is canon CAGiversary!   866 Posts   Joined 4.1 Years Ago  

Posted 25 February 2018 - 02:37 AM

Just in the last week the quality level of players has dropped off considerably as many have likely moved on to new games. 

That all sounds pretty frustrating haha, but wouldn't the quality level of players get better over time, as only the hardcore would stick around? Or maybe they'd get burnt out and then you'd only be left with noobs, which is what is sounds like is happening to you



#22469 Dead_Batteries   Voltaic Pile CAGiversary!   1025 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

Dead_Batteries

Posted 25 February 2018 - 03:08 AM

MH World rant:

 

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#22470 BlackRockWaifu   Advocate for the Black Friday Champion Fredyyy CAGiversary!   2937 Posts   Joined 4.9 Years Ago  

BlackRockWaifu

Posted 25 February 2018 - 03:57 AM

Now I'm confused, I thought Royal Edition is the "includes everything" edition? Was actually going to buy the Royal edition, but if a Sovereign Edition is coming next, I'm going to hold off.

I want a Sovereign(NX-73811) edition, where the game changes in to Trails of Cold Steel and includes Miku as a playable character, and takes place in the Star Trek universe, and comes with Miku figures, and is only on the Vita.

 

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No but seriously, I thought the Royal Edition was just the GOTY version of the Deluxe edition, which was just game + season pass. And that all the extra gameplay improvements were free.

 

 

 

Also, I haven't tried any of the new improvements/DLC, but I do think it's a pretty big deal and change over the standard game. Especially when they ended up changing Chapter 13, and someone mentioned being able to switch characters during gameplay now. And something about being able to free roam with the Regalia? All of these changes (whether cut from the base game or not) are gonna be huge improvements.