[Tothoro]

This is definitely frustrating since I know for a fact you’re wrong since I have the real data, but it won’t matter next year anyway since the code will be locked. ‍♂

I mean, if you're intentionally diluting the sales of your products I doubt you're doing so in a manner that would make it seem worse because that would potentially be disparaging to your business partners.

 

You don't owe us anything when it comes to sales data. But if it's something you're passionate enough to argue with Kbob and Seafoam about, y'know what an easy way to put that argument to bed would be? Releasing the numbers.

 

While it's not something I'm particularly invested in, I do think it's interesting sheerly from a data and analytics perspective. It seems like sales are down overall, Switch is still doing well, and Xbox didn't really catch on. Though I don't really know that any of that is surprising or contrary to broader, non-limprint game sales.

 

 

The reason some publishers are not printing on PS4 is less to do with folks moving on but with them believing that their games have a better shot at big sales in a far less crowded field.

PS5 games are absolutely selling more in the industry. 65% of Forbidden West launch week physical sales were on PS5 and the number was 82% for Ragnarok. You could argue that the trend wouldn't be as prolific for non-AAA titles and you'd probably be right, but people really want games for their shiny new toy it seems.

 

Anecdotally, in the collecting spaces I frequent, a lot of folks are seeing it as a way to get in on the ground floor of collecting for a console rather than having to hunt down expensive titles like Godzilla on PS4 or Pirate's Curse on Switch.

 

(Not disagreeing with you, just sharing some interesting data)

[SeafoamGaming]

The reason some publishers are not printing on PS4 is less to do with folks moving on but with them believing that their games have a better shot at big sales in a far less crowded field.

PS4 game sales, btw, are down but not cratering, and it depends on the sorts of games we're talking about. Also, the notion that Switch sells best for third party titles that are also on XBX and PS4/5 is absolutely NOT the case. I too have data on this and that's just not generally true.

 

oh yeah in terms of non limprint stuff that's absolutely the case, Switch isn't the best seller most of the time at all, especially in the west. (Switch is the best no contest in Japan though, but then again there's only one handheld and that's what they usually go for...) I mainly mean from a limprint standpoint since I see Strictly Limited, Special Reserve, etc all having switch games sell out before the other SKUs, with PS4 stuff having a lower number made and selling slower.

 

Though I do think for multiplat stuff that has a PS5 sku, the PS5 ver will usually outsell the PS4 one and that'll keep up as the gen goes on. At the very least it's why SRG didn't put out some PS4 titles, since they skipped PS4 for Gato Robotto, which is a bummer for me since I would have loved the former on PS4 disc. Your general point about a less crowded field is pretty spot on.

[TheKbob]

I think the hype for Limited Prints in general will die down with a significant looming recession.

While gaming is an evergreen setting, people will save their pennies for cheaper, immediate gratification over releases of $15 indie games at $35+ and two years away.

That's without even being concerned about the constant drumbeat of conflict propaganda with China and Taiwan; if that sparks off, I would anticipate a lot of physical goods are going to be in jeopardy. But I don't think anyone can plan for that; rather, I hope most of the limited print companied have exit strategies involving customer reimbursement (catastrophic insurance?).


The market is getting diluted, more so if you could care less about having an ESRB logo on the box. River City Girls 1&2 will be the litmus test since you can get two games on one cart (hopefully) for less than a single LRG release. People pinching pennies will go for the value over the prestige, I'd bet.

I already do, but I'm a "not normal" collector.

[Daniel_Shadow170]

I'm starting the pinching pennies process. I've been informed on my stocks starting to lose value.

Thankfully physical labor will always be needed but my eBay has dropped by 84% compared to last year. Games that would sell in 5 minutes taking days

I like you guys so my best advice is just watch what you're spending and keep track of every finance.

[Nothing-]

I think the hype for Limited Prints in general will die down with a significant looming recession.

 

Oh I absolutely guarantee you that sales are down at LRG by a substantive amount.

 

Revenue and value on collectables is down everywhere, some by an astronomical %.  A lot of sales and results were bolstered previously for years due to the stay-at-home economy and the irresponsible spending/investing and crypto boom.   Ebay sales are SLOW. 

[trinken wir]

I have been getting some better deals on 16 bit Era stuff on ebay. Some of it is back to precoid prices. Auctions are not getting bid up with fewer buyers. I agree it is not the time for frivolous spending, but it has been nice to be priced back in to some things I have wanted for decades.

[LimitedRunDoug]

Oh I absolutely guarantee you that sales are down at LRG by a substantive amount.

 

Revenue and value on collectables is down everywhere, some by an astronomical %.  A lot of sales and results were bolstered previously for years due to the stay-at-home economy and the irresponsible spending/investing and crypto boom.   Ebay sales are SLOW. 

Legitimately the only thing that is selling less right now is CE's which is why I said we plan to pair down the amount of CE's we do. Customer spending on our normally priced stuff is where it's at every Q4 but CE's are def something we need to work out. 

[SeafoamGaming]

I have been getting some better deals on 16 bit Era stuff on ebay. Some of it is back to precoid prices. Auctions are not getting bid up with fewer buyers. I agree it is not the time for frivolous spending, but it has been nice to be priced back in to some things I have wanted for decades.

Seriously: been getting some sweet CIB Genesis deals lately via ebay auction and that’s very fun to see as a new collector on that scene.

[Josef]

Legitimately the only thing that is selling less right now is CE's which is why I said we plan to pair down the amount of CE's we do. Customer spending on our normally priced stuff is where it's at every Q4 but CE's are def something we need to work out. 

The problem with the CE's was it seemed like every game was getting one, and many of them were lackluster (lots of paper products for example, instead of CD OST, hardcover artbook, steelbook, etc).  Glad to hear you are cutting back on them and please only save them for the most promising titles.

 

Doug, you mentioned Best Buy is now squared away.  Is Best Buy still ordering titles from you or is that it for them?  Talking about LRG numbered titles and not distro titles.  The LRG site listings for the last several months have not said BBY may be carrying the items and I'm not sure if that is because BBY stopped ordering them or you just don't want to give that info in the listing anymore.

[Nothing-]

The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG.  They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more.  Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars. 

 

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST.  Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers.  plus shipping.  The value is atrocious. 

 

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning.  Those were cool, even if a little weak.  Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins.  The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window.  What a waste. 

 

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist.  Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things.  I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.

[Kirin Lemon]

I know I'd kill for the option to buy some soundtrack CDs outside the grossly-overpriced CE sets (Day of the Tentacle and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, for instance). Make it happen, Doug, and I'll love you forever!

[SeafoamGaming]

The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG.  They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more.  Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars. 

 

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST.  Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers.  plus shipping.  The value is atrocious. 

 

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning.  Those were cool, even if a little weak.  Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins.  The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window.  What a waste. 

 

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist.  Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things.  I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.

CEs are where I got hooked as a whale the most, honestly. CDs are too hard to resist and I much would have preferred individual releases, but sometimes there'd be other cool things like box replicas or replica carts and whatnot... Even now some of my fav CEs are the Wonder Boy PS4, BMZ1/2 Combo, Mummy Demastered and Shadows of Adam due to all the fun retro throwbacks and each item feeling lovingly crafted.

 

Though over time, it definitely took a bigger hit on my wallet than I'd have liked, and stuff such as the SCAT NES CE having a broken song on the track list, (and the cart flat out not working on the AVS, despite there being no reason for it not to as the OG game works fine, so whatever copyright string was edited broke something) the BMZ3 CE having lower quality components (the label on the cart replica was much, much blurrier than BMZ1/2, and i already mentioned my tank ordeal), the Doom CE having a super awesome and well made blue keycard replica, but a horribly blurry replica of the Doom Comic, and stuff like the Rivals of Aether figure not matching the mockup and turning out rather goofy looking makes a lot of newer CEs just feel like "what can we use this license to make merch of" rather than "let's do a kickass fan bundle" that are not worth the wait times or costs especially when components are cheaper and worse

 

My final LRG order was the Valis 1 CE which has just a few basic things and a OST replica of the Sound Collection A and B, so that should turn out OK, but then I see what Infernax got for a CE and seeing how good the game itself turned out, that CE could have been *so* much more. I'm glad I ultimately stopped buying CEs in general and helped my wallet and the only real CEs I plan to get are for games I'm a super fan of, like the Genesis Valis trilogy on Castlemania (since it comes with a cool standee and restored some content in Genesis Valis III)

[LimitedRunDoug]

The problem with the CE's was it seemed like every game was getting one, and many of them were lackluster (lots of paper products for example, instead of CD OST, hardcover artbook, steelbook, etc). Glad to hear you are cutting back on them and please only save them for the most promising titles.

Doug, you mentioned Best Buy is now squared away. Is Best Buy still ordering titles from you or is that it for them? Talking about LRG numbered titles and not distro titles. The LRG site listings for the last several months have not said BBY may be carrying the items and I'm not sure if that is because BBY stopped ordering them or you just don't want to give that info in the listing anymore.

Numbered stuff won’t return to BBY we might shift that to Amazon.

The advent of CEs is when I pretty much started writing off LRG. They were substandard, and in order to get anything cool that I wanted like a steelbook, I'd have to shell out considerably more. Then the nice boxed sets became hundreds of dollars.

There's stuff I'd want but then it's like $84.99 in order to get a steelbook or CD OST. Which is insanely more than what similar products cost from other publishers. plus shipping. The value is atrocious.

We used to be able to buy big box Vita sets for ~$60 in the beginning. Those were cool, even if a little weak. Since then CEs have been nothing but a vehicle for disgraceful profit margins. The nice stuff like the Castlevania boxes just infuriate me and then I close the window. What a waste.

Easier to pretend it doesn't exist. Rather than pay 'new console' prices in order to buy a couple of things. I could just buy all the Nintendo Switch Limited Edition consoles instead.

What profit margin? CEs are expensive to make and that’s one of the big reasons we want to do fewer.

I know I'd kill for the option to buy some soundtrack CDs outside the grossly-overpriced CE sets (Day of the Tentacle and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, for instance). Make it happen, Doug, and I'll love you forever!

We usually have extras when the games are done shipping. Can’t always guarantee it but definitely hit me up.

CEs are where I got hooked as a whale the most, honestly. CDs are too hard to resist and I much would have preferred individual releases, but sometimes there'd be other cool things like box replicas or replica carts and whatnot... Even now some of my fav CEs are the Wonder Boy PS4, BMZ1/2 Combo, Mummy Demastered and Shadows of Adam due to all the fun retro throwbacks and each item feeling lovingly crafted.

Though over time, it definitely took a bigger hit on my wallet than I'd have liked, and stuff such as the SCAT NES CE having a broken song on the track list, (and the cart flat out not working on the AVS, despite there being no reason for it not to as the OG game works fine, so whatever copyright string was edited broke something) the BMZ3 CE having lower quality components (the label on the cart replica was much, much blurrier than BMZ1/2, and i already mentioned my tank ordeal), the Doom CE having a super awesome and well made blue keycard replica, but a horribly blurry replica of the Doom Comic, and stuff like the Rivals of Aether figure not matching the mockup and turning out rather goofy looking makes a lot of newer CEs just feel like "what can we use this license to make merch of" rather than "let's do a kickass fan bundle" that are not worth the wait times or costs especially when components are cheaper and worse

My final LRG order was the Valis 1 CE which has just a few basic things and a OST replica of the Sound Collection A and B, so that should turn out OK, but then I see what Infernax got for a CE and seeing how good the game itself turned out, that CE could have been *so* much more. I'm glad I ultimately stopped buying CEs in general and helped my wallet and the only real CEs I plan to get are for games I'm a super fan of, like the Genesis Valis trilogy on Castlemania (since it comes with a cool standee and restored some content in Genesis Valis III)

lol

[Daniel_Shadow170]

Game+steel book and I'm happy.

My bloodrayne and musishama (sp)? I guess collectors edition came in and they are really good looking.

[Tothoro]

What profit margin? CEs are expensive to make and that’s one of the big reasons we want to do fewer.

Meat Boy was a $40 mark-up for a $15 Fangamer figure, a poster, an outer box, and a styrofoam meat tray.  American Hero was a $30 mark-up for a poster, an outerbox, a pen, and an acrylic keychain. The Castlevania Requiem Classic edition was a $30 mark-up for an outerbox, a poster, and a soundtrack sampler. I get that everything's cheaper at scale and you're not selling God of War numbers, but I'd be astounded if you weren't making a better margin on those editions than the standard versions of those games.

 

I do think some of the CEs are a better value than others. The Jak ones were pretty memorable and the early Vita CEs were a nice little addition while still keeping games reasonably priced. But the value proposition just isn't there for a lot of the recent offerings, and that (coupled with current financial conditions) are why I imagine things are slowing down.

 

lol

I dunno what you're hoping to gain by laughing at a comment that complimented your old CEs and talked about how much money they've given your company over time. It costs $0 to be cordial on the internet.

[HaloGX]

Azure Striker Gunvolt 3 just got a beefy update. I'm guessing this won't be on the LRG cart release?

[BrandonJF]

What profit margin? CEs are expensive to make and that’s one of the big reasons we want to do fewer.
 

Is most of that cost the box?  I get that there are some more intricate CEs (Scott Pilgrim, Castlevania, Monkey Island) that look like they'd be a pain to put together (not that any of those was exactly cheap), but then there are the ones dominated by items like "collectible" coins, pins, folded poster, and maybe a CD and/or acrylic standees.   I have to assume there is someone out there that really loves those coins and pins, but I can't imagine.  They always felt like items that would be giveaways at a trade show.  The boxes (especially those that attempt to be more of a repro of a classic box design) are often the only selling point for me and even then I have to be really into the IP (Castlevania/Contra/LucasFilms games).

At least for me two of my favorite franchises (Castlevania and Monkey Island) got two of the best CEs.  And the Monkey Island one getting re-imagined after the initial reaction was appreciated.  

[WingsDJY]

I know I'd kill for the option to buy some soundtrack CDs outside the grossly-overpriced CE sets (Day of the Tentacle and Zombies Ate My Neighbors, for instance). Make it happen, Doug, and I'll love you forever!

This is how I feel about the books. Would love to just get the retrospective / anthology / art books separate from the CEs. That Monkey Island book looks amazing, but I couldn't justify the ~$200+ price tag with tax and shipping (joke's on me since those are now $500+ on ebay)

[nightc1]

I'm glad I never got into CE's.  Standard editions are my default as I just want the game experience not have to figure out where to store all the excess stuff.  They may often go for more in the aftermarket but I don't buy with resell gains in mind... I buy games to play them.  If I decide to sell later then it's easier to ship standard releases anyway.

 

The only CE's I ever purposefully went after were either cheaper at retail after mark downs than buying the standard edition (ex: Persona Q: The Wild Cards Premium Edition.. paid ~$20 for it new on amazon), where a CE is the only option for physical (ex: La-Mulana 1&2 - Switch) ... or stuff like Fire Emblem Fates where the CE was the only way to get all content physical (I think this may be the only example I have of that).  I've rarely ever bought a CE outside of those parameters.  The only one I can think of (at the moment) was Fire Emblem Echoes (3DS) where my oldest son is a huge fan of the series and I wasn't sure yet if I was going to dive deep into it (more a fan of Advance Wars) or not and it was only $60 at retail which made it new console game release price rather than something truly outlandish.

 

So yeah, I own very few CE's.

[Daniel_Shadow170]

Huh I guess even more of my stuff is shipping. River City girls zero is shipping out.

[portnoyd]

Legitimately the only thing that is selling less right now is CE's which is why I said we plan to pair down the amount of CE's we do. Customer spending on our normally priced stuff is where it's at every Q4 but CE's are def something we need to work out. 

As a stupid collector and former idiot collector of LEs, I can say burn out on giant boxes is real. The junk in the box loses appeal really fast.

[Spring Roll]

We need easier ways to buy the CDs, plushes, stuff like that. 

I don't mind pre-ordering the games, not pre-ordering a plush. 

[BrandonJF]

This is how I feel about the books. Would love to just get the retrospective / anthology / art books separate from the CEs. That Monkey Island book looks amazing, but I couldn't justify the ~$200+ price tag with tax and shipping (joke's on me since those are now $500+ on ebay)

I know what you mean - that whole CE was pretty great and that is easily the best book they put together for a CE that I've seen.  My CE had some minor damage to the art book.  They sent me a whole new set.  What I really love about LRG's replacement process is they send the replacement before the customer has to ship back the original.  They include a return shipping label with the replacement.  At that point, I had kinda wished I had ordered two of that CE - one to keep everything sealed and one to open.   I really wanted to just not return the original CE and say "go ahead and charge me" since at that point that sure would've been a cheap way to get a backup copy.  Not sure if they would've gone with that - it seemed too sketchy, so I didn't bother trying.  

[Xerox1919]

Same story here, I got really burned out on CEs, and it was in fact SPECIFICALLY because of LRG's efforts.

 

In the past, I would only get the "best" edition of any game. CIB over cart-only, and special edition over regular. Otherwise I'm just "missing" stuff, right? Maybe later I'd trade up to the complete version, but why not just do it right the first time?

 

But then along came LRG. At first, I was just buying the collector's edition version as usual. But it eventually occurred to me just how little I care about any of this stuff. Posters and cards and other artsy papers that were just copies of the same stock images used everywhere else for the game. Oftentimes literally the same exact image you can see on the box itself. And then all the cheap little knickknacks. What really broke me was thinking, what do I even do with these things? Nothing. I look at them for about five seconds, and then I'm over it. And they go back in the box, and will continue to live in there for the rest of time. So what is even the point of paying all that extra money, then?

 

So I modified my rules. What do I actually care about? Soundtracks. Art books. Soundtracks I can listen to anytime along with the rest of my music collection, and art books are just gorgeous to look through, and often insightful about the development process too. They also fill the hole that's been created since games are no longer coming with manuals.

 

But LRG broke me of that too. Many soundtracks are honestly not that great anyway, and maybe I'll pay a few extra dollars for it, but I'm not paying $30-50 more for it because I also have to buy the rest of the junk in that edition. And while I would still buy a mid-priced art book edition, it seems they are only coming with the $200 bag-of-crap editions. So pass on that too. So nowadays I just look at all editions, see the regular version with the game itself, and simply think "Man, I will save soooo much money just buying this one." Which then often leads me to going "You know, I'd save even more if I paid $0. I have enough games to play already anyway."

 

Incidentally, I also realized that my love for special editions also started because they weren't actually that much more than the standard version. Sure, I'd pay $10-20 more for a bunch of great stuff. Like I recently bought the Bravely Second special edition. Huge gorgeous art book and soundtrack CD containing actual excellent tracks. I paid $75. (And it was $70 MSRP.)  Someone just mentioned the Persona Q box set, which I recall getting for $50 back when it was new. The Koromaru plushie is still on my nightstand. Even the old Working Designs games I recall getting for practically the same price as any other game at the time. I see online that Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete was $60 MSRP, and Arc the Lad Collection was $75 MSRP.

 

So what are the current LRG games doing?

Full Throttle - $85. Soundtrack, and useless knickknacks.

Grim Fandango - $100. Soundtrack, and useless knickknacks.

Konami Arcade Classics - $65. Lesser total, but still $30 extra for just a soundtrack, and only thing else is a super-cheap replica NES cart sleeve, a box, and a poster showing the exact same image as the box.

 

In contrast, look at things that just came in their "distro, not part of our official numbered releases" line:

SNK Neo Geo Pocket Color Vol. 2 - $75. Retrospective book, and steelbook.

Rumble Fish 2 - $70. Art book, strategy guide, and soundtrack.

 

One of these groups is clearly better than the other. So the new rule is "Buy special edition if it was made by a real company, and only buy the standard edition at LRG."

[LimitedRunDoug]

Meat Boy was a $40 mark-up for a $15 Fangamer figure, a poster, an outer box, and a styrofoam meat tray.  American Hero was a $30 mark-up for a poster, an outerbox, a pen, and an acrylic keychain. The Castlevania Requiem Classic edition was a $30 mark-up for an outerbox, a poster, and a soundtrack sampler. I get that everything's cheaper at scale and you're not selling God of War numbers, but I'd be astounded if you weren't making a better margin on those editions than the standard versions of those games.

 

I do think some of the CEs are a better value than others. The Jak ones were pretty memorable and the early Vita CEs were a nice little addition while still keeping games reasonably priced. But the value proposition just isn't there for a lot of the recent offerings, and that (coupled with current financial conditions) are why I imagine things are slowing down.

The problem with Meat Boy (and I've gone over this already elsewhere) is that those Styrofoam trays weren't cheap or easy to locate. Every grocery store in our area and in the US for the most part have switched to plastic. So we had to pay a lot more for something that should have been cheap for a gimmick that ultimately didn't pay off. 

You called one thing out that definitely makes costs higher which is the scale. We pay more on some stuff due to printing less. Something you are not considering though is how much time/labor goes into designing and getting approvals. It also doesn't help that during COVID everyone jacked their prices up and post COVID left most of them at those insane prices. 

With all this said it's why we are cutting back.

 

As far as people getting burned out all I can say is, don't get the CE unless you really care about the game/IP. That's kind of the point of the CE's. We aren't expecting everyone to pick those up. We make them with the IP holder for the fans.

I personally get the complaints, too many CE's pile up in your house. I just had that problem. I used to buy EVERY CE from NISA for example. One day I realized I didn't need to and just get it for stuff I care about. 

[nightc1]

Even the old Working Designs games I recall getting for practically the same price as any other game at the time. I see online that Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete was $60 MSRP, and Arc the Lad Collection was $75 MSRP.

I recently acquired a Lunar SSS Complete very cheap (all four discs in original box... but no slip cover and book).  It's amazing the work that went into that from the box art to the disc art... the documentary disc and the soundtrack disc. Plus having so much english voice work in the game itself.  And everything in one nice package that fits along side other PS1 games.

The main company I feel that came close to replicating what WD did was Atlus during the DS & 3DS releases days.  Sure they had some CE's... and some odd shaped standard releases... but a lot of their standard releases included a soundtrack or something else special.

[Sporkis]

I recently acquired a Lunar SSS Complete very cheap (all four discs in original box... but no slip cover and book).  It's amazing the work that went into that from the box art to the disc art... the documentary disc and the soundtrack disc. Plus having so much english voice work in the game itself.  And everything in one nice package that fits along side other PS1 games.

The main company I feel that came close to replicating what WD did was Atlus during the DS & 3DS releases days.  Sure they had some CE's... and some odd shaped standard releases... but a lot of their standard releases included a soundtrack or something else special.

To this day the Lunar games are my favorite collector editions that I ever have gotten.  I still laugh that the pendant that came with Lunar 2, is so heavy & well made that you can probably knock someone out if you whipped it at their head lol
 

[Twilightsparkle]

Some Japanese releases get art books and/or CDs with first prints for free.  Recently Needy Girl Overdose (which was a relatively cheap release at about 3500 yen) came with a CD soundtrack and 50 page artbook for free.  Here we’d call that a LE and double the price.  

[Xerox1919]

Oh yeah, that reminds me, the box shape also turns me off from buying any more LRG CEs. One on part of my game shelf, I have my PS4 games all together. On another part, I have my Switch games all together. So on for all other systems. But then one section, way off in the lower corner, is my area for "Oversized games". And at this point it might as well just be the LRG section.

 

And it is hideous. Even my PC big box game area looks more uniform than the LRG CEs. I understand that some boxes may need to be bigger due to what's inside, but at least make SOME effort to make all of your games look uniform. You're the some company making them all!

 

On a similar note, sometimes a special edition is small enough to fit on the main section shelf, right next to the other regular games of its console. (And of course I highly prefer this.) But one thing I've noticed is that all Switch game boxes have the red Switch logo in the upper corners and along the spine. Even your LRG specially-made outer boxes have this logo on them. So now all the games in the Switch section have a nice consistent Switch logo in the same spot across all of them, confirming that, yes, these are the Switch games.

 

I say this because your PlayStation special boxes do NOT have this. (And I see your new Xbox ones do not either.) Every other PS4 game I have has the blue PS4 logo at the top of the spine, except for yours. Which not only makes them look bad when lined up on the shelf, but even worse, these boxes don't even mention PlayStation 4 ANYWHERE on them. It's just this weird mystery box of who knows what system. This is going to be a huge problem in the near future when people can no longer remember what system it's for, and will have to open the box every single time just to check the real case.

 

And I don't know if either you want to have the logo and only Nintendo allows it, or you don't want the logo and only Nintendo forces you to include it. But in case you're confused, let me be very clear: The Nintendo method is the right way to do it!

 

What's even weirder is that all your standard Blu-ray case PS4 games do have an LRG logo across their spines in the same location, so clearly you do know how to do uniform branding. So why doesn't anything else? Why do my oversized boxes and smaller specialty boxes not have any sort of uniform look to them? Is this truly because you think the PS logo will ruin the imitation NES and Genesis boxes you put around the games? Because I disagree heavily. I know it's not a real NES game, and more importantly I don't WANT to think it's an NES game. I don't want it to look like one of my games is way off in the wrong section, and I especially do want to know what kind of game is inside the box without having to open it up and check.

[TheKbob]

lol

Class Act™

If LRG cannot make high margins on CEs then there's obviously a problem with LRG not reading the market nor the production-side properly.  One would think you would have sourcing locked down for products prior to advertising them or just been open about a substitution and/or refund.

And if you made CE for the fans, based upon feedback across multiple collection groups, you'd be making just Steelcase versions for most stuff and not locking them in $100+ bundles full of useless plastic garbage and printed stuffs.

You could probably get away with mostly junk since, again, people who buy them leave them sealed on the shelf if the resale market is to be accounted for (which is should, since folks are still speculating on this stuff, sadly).

But water under bridge, LRG'll stop issuing lopsided CEs and perhaps get back to offering neat games again.