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Fixing the election process.


#1 UncleBob  

Posted 20 November 2016 - 11:51 PM

As I've mentioned on here before, I'm no fan of the Electoral College (and not just because of this year's result)... but, honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the Presidential election process at all.

So, spit balling some ideas (knowing it's easier to throw shit to the wall and see what sticks than to actually implement changes that don't dismantle the entire country), I put together a short list of some changes I'd be in favor of.

*Ditch the electoral college. One person = one vote.

*Initiate ranked-choice voting.

*Standardize ballot access for federal positions across all states, including a threshold where any candidate that achieves ballot access in, say, 2/3rds of states is automatically granted access in the remaining states.

*No 'grandfathering' of candidates or parties onto the ballot. If Vermin Supreme has to collect 20,000 signatures, so does Trump and Clinton.

*Remove party affiliations from the ballot.

*Remove tax dollars from the primary process.

Curious, what other ideas are worth considering?

#2 soonersfan60   Longing for retro CAG... CAGiversary!   4392 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

soonersfan60

Posted 21 November 2016 - 02:42 AM

If you eliminate electoral college, then CA and NY will always choose the president. What about electoral college by districts (with the states' votes divided that way)?



#3 UncleBob  

Posted 21 November 2016 - 04:27 AM

If you eliminate electoral college, then CA and NY will always choose the president. What about electoral college by districts (with the states' votes divided that way)?


As is, a few swing states virtually choose the president.

If we went with electoral college via districts, then candidates would focus on states with the most swing districts.

This is why I think getting rid of the Electoral College would only work with a ranked voice voting change. If a candidate ignores part of the country, a secondary candidate could still take first in the smaller states and second in the larger states, winning enough of the vote to take the election.

#4 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 21 November 2016 - 11:27 AM

If you eliminate electoral college, then CA and NY will always choose the president. What about electoral college by districts (with the states' votes divided that way)?


I am from a family of going on 5 generations of New Yorkers , my great grandfather served in WWI every generation so far has made a tradition of service and decency. Why should our votes count for less? Less populated states already have disproportionate power officially due to the Senate and unofficially due to the filibuster.

The not so secret but less talked about part of the electoral college is the fact the electors can invalidate the election, if they decided too, would you say rules are rules?

#5 mrsilkunderwear   Just Do It. CAGiversary!   1701 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 November 2016 - 03:27 PM

Sorry but Electoral College is still the best system we have without giving the majority the power of mob rule. It is not perfect but that is the best we got. I would not mind removing restrictions on some of state and local races to help third parties. I think Libertarians and Greens should have more say and exposure. 



#6 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 21 November 2016 - 03:51 PM

You don't sound sorry. Like you said in the other thread, you want republicans to win. Considering Hillary could have over 2 million more votes it looks like having an unfair system is the only way you will get it

#7 The Crotch   There are ten sticks of dynamite waiting for you. CAGiversary!   14940 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 December 2016 - 01:02 AM

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#8 detectiveconan16   Delicious! CAGiversary!   7124 Posts   Joined 12.3 Years Ago  

detectiveconan16

Posted 20 December 2016 - 02:12 AM

Only five against Clinton, two against Trump. Shocking.

 

The electoral process wasn't really the problem, but actual voter apathy. While you don't care that your vote matters, a bunch of Fuck bois will do anything to make sure it works in their favor. Democracy works when it's most hands on board./



#9 RedvsBlue  

RedvsBlue

Posted 20 December 2016 - 02:31 AM

Only five against Clinton, two against Trump. Shocking.

The electoral process wasn't really the problem, but actual voter apathy. While you don't care that your vote matters, a bunch of Fuck bois will do anything to make sure it works in their favor. Democracy works when it's most hands on board./

Well, that and when one of the candidates doesn't start their fuckin victory lap a month before the election...

#10 The Crotch   There are ten sticks of dynamite waiting for you. CAGiversary!   14940 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 December 2016 - 04:06 AM

Only five against Clinton, two against Trump. Shocking.

 

The electoral process wasn't really the problem, but actual voter apathy. While you don't care that your vote matters, a bunch of Fuck bois will do anything to make sure it works in their favor. Democracy works when it's most hands on board./

Voter apathy has no singular cause, but the perception of an undemocratic electoral system can be one of them.

 

(It also helps to campaign in Michigan.)



#11 dopa345   All around nice guy CAGiversary!   2247 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:39 AM

Gotta love the fact that with all the Democrats imploring the electors to "vote their conscience," Clinton ended up losing more votes than Trump and perhaps even more indicative, most of those votes when to Colin Powell, a Republican rather than another Democrat.

 

Not to mention that three other Democratic electors initially refused to vote for Clinton as well and two were replaced and the other ended up voting for Clinton under pressure.



#12 The Crotch   There are ten sticks of dynamite waiting for you. CAGiversary!   14940 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Posted 22 December 2016 - 07:56 PM

Yeah but on the other hand, Fuck Colin Powell.



#13 Justinreasp  

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 10:01 PM

Trump has won the US Election for President and the Republican Party has also maintained control of both the US House and Senate. During the campaign all three said they wanted to increase Military Spending. So, is this very good news for the F-35 Program???

#14 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:59 AM

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