CAGcast #479: Oy Vey

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The gang talks Last Guardian, Reggie's Freudian slip, Nintendo Switch,  Dishonored 2, Final Fantasy XV, Forza Horizon 3 Blizzard Mountain, and so much more!

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Intro -   MORTEN - Beautiful Heartbeat (Deorro Remix)
Outro - 80s Spiderman toy commercial

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I guess you can listen to Wombat's other podcast, Uninformed Opinions.


 
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Ship, I know you said you don't want more stories about Darth Vader, but you should check out the new Darth Vader comics! His character got better for me, but your mileage may vary. I think those are canon? Not sure
 
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To me just as plausible that Reggie merely pauses in the middle of a sentence, continues the same thought but starts a new sentence and the two shouldn't be put together as one.  Also possible video edit. 

BUt I could see Nintendo low balling NES Mini-Classic supply in order to generate free advertising especially leading up to the January 12th full reveal of the Switch and the March launch.   It looks good to reveal a new system in an environment where you have a really hot retro product that can't stay on shelves for more than 2 seconds.  

AT the same time, to keep costs low, maybe they don't want to speed up manufacturing.  Maybe they were late getting it ready to market in time for xmas.  Maybe they don't want to overestimate demand.  Estimating demand is tricky.  

And there's quite a few examples of Nintendo having too much product on shelves.  PLenty of copies of AC:Amiibo Festival on shelves,  Plenty of Splatoon 3-packs, plenty of AC:Amiibo, plenty of copies of Codename:STeam,  no one had trouble getting a Wii U or 3ds the past 4 years....at least until this xmas.  Now their systems seem to be sold out everywhere.  I imagine that is heavily influenced by the impending launch of the Switch though.  

 
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These Nintendo segments are getting so tiresome. Enough talk about lines, the cold, shortages, whatever. I'm just so done with hearing about all of this. Speculating on the manufacturing process is just such a waste of time. Sometimes not enough of a thing is made and some people have to wait weeks/month to get it. It's not the end of world.

The NES Classic came out on November 11th, 2016. I just got mine today on December 15th, 2016. Is having to wait a month really that big of a deal? Do I need to pretend like I sat out in the cold, huddled masses begging for warmth while waiting in line for one of these things? I understand that Cheapy disagrees with the way Nintendo has handled this situation but making it sound like some sort of inhuman monolithic corporation that feeds on human despair is just getting beyond ridiculous. 

 
Here's some more Reggie interview conspiracies/freudian slips/grasping for straws observations.

IN the same interview he states Nintendo's new shift in strategy to "making people smile through IP" and he says whether that means "thru mobile, amusement parks or dedicated devices."  But I noticed he didn't say "our dedicated devices" which is not what they've been saying since the new shift in strategy.  

And then months back before the Switch trailer, he gave an interview where he was asked if Nintendo was going to do VR and he starts wildly blinking and moving his eyes as he says, " not at this time, we don't think it is ready for us."

A month or two after that interview the Switch is announced and it seems seems designed in such a way that it could easily do VR if it was paired with an inexpensive pair of googles like you find in the  mobileVR world.  Then today news of a Nintendo patent filing showing just that.

 
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Shipwreck

FF 15 Chapter 13 is really not that bad, it just forces you to slow down, which is a big change, it picks back up though after that chapter. It does kind of suck but don't let the internet keep you from playing the chapter.

I was a bit over level though so that helped I'm sure, but it's a mix of fighting when needed and running past a few big enemies if you wish. There are plenty of save points though!

 
I love that Cheapy said eff it and went all crazy on Nintendo's business practices. Hate or love what Cheapy, Ship and Wombat think, they speak their minds without being political. That definitely deserves recognition.    

 
I listened to the podcast shortly after reading this article:

http://www.wareable.com/vr/sony-playstation-vr-outsells-htc-vive-and-oculus-rift-3640

Latest estimates are that PSVR will sell upwards of 800K units by the end of the year.  That's 800K units in like 3 months and puts it comfortably ahead of both the Vive and Oculus (which sold pretty well in their own rights).  Speculation is that Sony hasn't been advertising it because they can't produce enough OLED screens to keep up with demand.  This is somewhat corroborated by stories of low stock in some markets and the recent "announcement" that Best Buy would be getting some more units in before Christmas to keep up with demand.

I know these are just estimates at this point so I'll hold off on gloating about the certainty with which you guys basically declared the system dead and buried today, but I did get a laugh out of it.  Personally, the ownership experience of the PSVR has been unlike any other tech I've owned in years.  We've had multiple parties here (family and friends) since its launch where the PSVR has basically stolen the show with people of all ages being blown away by the technology and a few vowing to purchase one of their own and most of these people are not traditional "gamers" and don't even own a PS4.

I believe the news of the PSVR's death is greatly exaggerated and you'll forgive me for taking the bold proclamations about Nintendo's imminent Switch death with a grain of salt as well.

 
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These Nintendo segments are getting so tiresome. Enough talk about lines, the cold, shortages, whatever. I'm just so done with hearing about all of this. Speculating on the manufacturing process is just such a waste of time. Sometimes not enough of a thing is made and some people have to wait weeks/month to get it. It's not the end of world.

The NES Classic came out on November 11th, 2016. I just got mine today on December 15th, 2016. Is having to wait a month really that big of a deal? Do I need to pretend like I sat out in the cold, huddled masses begging for warmth while waiting in line for one of these things? I understand that Cheapy disagrees with the way Nintendo has handled this situation but making it sound like some sort of inhuman monolithic corporation that feeds on human despair is just getting beyond ridiculous.
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Yes, I could do without a lot of the cynicism that the podcast contains from week to week lately, especially from Cheapy and Shipwreck and especially in regard to anything that deviates from the big, standard console norms.

I don't really get reactions like when Wombat asked Shipwreck for his thoughts on Mario Run and all he'll say is "it will make money, what else matters" (paraphrasing), but then, of course, follows up with "I'll be buying it", or the constant complaining about the availability of the NES Classic, yet both these guys can't stop themselves from being a part of the madness even though Cheapy doesn't even want one for himself and Shipwreck has a real NES and most of these games in his current gameroom. Perhaps you guys are part of the problem?

I think we all understand that these are money-making organizations, but if the only thing needed to guarantee success was just slapping your mascot into any garbage out there, Sega would be thriving right now. The fact is that Nintendo still understands the type of games their core audience enjoys and they take a lot pride in what they do, which I believe is reflected in their products. Yes, they may make you work harder to get some of those products and they may make some missteps along the way, but to paint them as simply money-hungry hustlers is disappointing from a podcast that's been a great advocate of this industry for so many years.

 
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Yes, I could do without a lot of the cynicism that the podcast contains from week to week lately, especially from Cheapy and Shipwreck and especially in regard to anything that deviates from the big, standard console norms.

I don't really get reactions like when Wombat asked Shipwreck for his thoughts on Mario Run and all he'll say is "it will make money, what else matters" (paraphrasing), but then, of course, follows up with "I'll be buying it", or the constant complaining about the availability of the NES Classic, yet both these guys can't stop themselves from being a part of the madness even though Cheapy doesn't even want one for himself and Shipwreck has a real NES and most of these games in his current gameroom. Perhaps you guys are part of the problem?

I think we all understand that these are money-making organizations, but if the only thing needed to guarantee success was just slapping your mascot into any garbage out there, Sega would be thriving right now. The fact is that Nintendo still understands the type of games their core audience enjoys and they take a lot pride in what they do, which I believe is reflected in their products. Yes, they may make you work harder to get some of those products and they may make some missteps along the way, but to paint them as simply money-hungry hustlers is disappointing from a podcast that's been a great advocate of this industry for so many years.
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The cynicism comes from Nintendo acting as though they are surprised by the demand and refuse to speed up production when there is plenty of material available.

 
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The cynicism comes from Nintendo acting as though they are surprised by the demand and refuse to speed up production when there is plenty of material available.
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"Refuse to speed up production when there is plenty of material available" - got a source on that info?

I think it should be obvious to most people that have been in gaming for a while that Nintendo would rather have shortages than piles of unsold inventory on shelves, and that principle is in effect with the NES Classic. It's hardly the first plug-and-play unit released and those that have come before can often be found as deeply discounted overstock or on thrift store shelves. I can understand why Nintendo would want to avoid having one of their first-party products follow that same fate so perhaps they made just enough to sell out regardless of demand and now have to ramp up production with the popularity exceeding those original estimates. I can understand the disappointment but don't really get the vitriol.

 
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I think an artificial shortage makes sense for the first couple weeks but now it's the middle of December, the time where you'd ramp up supply to get those impulse purchasers who assume it's still rare.

That CNET video is funny to hear him so that although I think he changed his wording mid sentence.

 
Loved the episode this week guys, I was laughing a ton at the start of it.

I liked the back and forth between Wombat and CheapyD about Japan cashiers vs US cashiers. I've always thought Costco has the best Cashiers in the US. I have never been to Japan so I can't weigh in on the debate.

That snowy DLC for Forza looks awesome, I will probably pick that up soon.

VR still isn't cheap enough to catch on. It will hit that mark someday but I don't think that day is today.

 
I would have agreed with Shipwreck's assessment of Mario Run until I actually played the game. Prior to launch I went in thinking that I was going to spend the ten dollars (Done Deal). I played about 10 minutes of the demo and I don't think I'll be playing it any more. I wanted to love the game but it didn't seam particularly special to me.    I wouldn't be surprised if most people download the game, play it for a bit and delete it without purchasing the full product.  I don't think this is a guaranteed success.

EDIT: When I say it might not succeed, I don't mean that it won't sell, I  just think it might fall well below Nintendo's expectations.

 
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I think you should give Nintendo a break regarding the NES Classic supply problems. It's been a while since they've made a console that people want.
 
Good show guys, I actually laughed out loud during this one.  I have to call you out though Cheapy.  I remember a time when iPhone's were still the hotness and you was talking about how you hated the PSP/Vita and wished their games were as cheap as iPhone games and how you loved playing mobile games (Gamedevstory) as an example.  You spent at least 3-4 shows giving Wombat shit for paying for more expensive 3ds games and basically berated him for not having an iPhone yet.  Now you act like mobile gaming is terrible and have no interest in Super Mario Run.

Times sure have changed haven't they?  Damn I've been listening to this show for too long.

 
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When discussing why games sales are low in 2016 I think everyone keeps forgetting that most gamers now get 4 free games a month with Xbox Live and PSN. I know that virtual pile of games I own has cut back on my desire to buy more games.
 
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The classic NES will have a long tail and stretch into 2017...just in time for the classic SNES to be released.

Speaking of Nintendo, I was Day-1 for the WiiU. Having been burned by that one, I will wait a while before buying a Switch.

Lastly, ins't it time for Nintendo to offer some yearly membership that gives you free games. Xbox Gold, PS+... c'mon Nintendo. You HAVE the catalog. 

 
To stick up for Wombat this one time, the music intros suck every single week. I skip them from time to time to get to the actual show.

The constant calling for the death of PSVR every week is a weird hyperbolic narrative that you guys keep pushing for whatever reason. They featured about 14 PSVR games in the big keynote at PSX and announce new titles on the PS Blog each week. We also see at least one new PSVR game released on PSN every week and my count of the PSVR section is 71 total PSVR games in about two months, which suggests they're far from being dead. This is just the beginning of this thing and it's probably only going to get bigger, though it won't be as rapid as you guys were expecting.

 
Honestly, I got sick and tired of Nintendo and their artificial shortage crap. After many attempts to buy a NES Classic Mini, I decided to just make my own instead and it's even better as it includes the entire game libraries of NES, SNES, Genesis, Master System, GB, GBC, Atari games. All complete with save states, cheats etc. All this just using a Raspberry Pi Zero. 

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For a guy who shits on everything and calls himself a top analyst, Ship sure didn't predict the disappointing roll out of Super Mario Run.

 
Wombat....leave the music alone! :D

Cheapy...couldn't agree with you more regarding the lack of concern big corporations (you were talking about Nintendo specifically) seem to have for the burden put on the retailers & their employees as well as the frustration of the customers when they create so much hype & so little product to be released.

Yeah their tactic makes them money and gets them talked about but come on...how about the days an amazingly made product did that for a company?

 
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