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Nintendo Switch Preorder Thread 2.0


#331 markbrochilll   Typical Nintendo Fanboy /s CAGiversary!   1070 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

markbrochilll

Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:40 PM



#332 tonyvx  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:45 PM

 

Oh good. I've always wanted a game that makes me want to light my console on fire.

 

Also a white baby in 2017? For shame, Nintendo.  [-(



#333 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

This is the biggest problem I see with the NS, no one from here to the other side of the galaxy can argue "N" one place of continual success is in the handheld market. Every handheld they have released, was an inferior product to the competition, but it had a great value, with great battery life, and great games and sold a shit ton every time, no matter the competition.

 

The NS is not the value, or will be considered by any buying public as a replacement for the DS/3DS/ or 2DS at it's current lack of portability and cost. I'm a parent of an 11 year old, and no way in hell am I buying this to replace his current "N" handhelds.

 

While I think this has potential to do better than the Wii U, I don't think it will get close to the 3DS numbers, and that is the sad reality of this all. They should have made a kick ass handheld, and do what they do best. Instead, they are trying to do something, and hope the market will happen along with it, but from a business stand point, why would any successful business stop making the thing they do best? No way is a $400-$500 device a replacement for a 2DS/3DS that cost $80-$200. If they think parents are buying this at that cost for a child to drop, break, or damage, they are as lost as they appear to be. 

Why do you have a  problem accurately quoting the list price of the Switch but have no problem accurately quoting the list price of the 2ds/3ds?   :)    The Switch is $300.   It's not $400-$500.  

 

Parents hand kids "expensive" electronic devices nowadays.   Handing an 11 yr old a $300 Switch is nothing in today's world.

 

And given that the Switch appears to be Nintendo's 1 platform going forward and that the price will come down and that Nintendo will likely release a better/smaller or alt version of it in a few years, I don't see any reason why it won't sell like the 3ds.  The hardware is getting good word of mouth from those that have tried it.  IT's got 3-4 must-have games coming out for it the 1st 9 months.  Plus 3ds sales actually went up YoY in 2016.

 

The only way it doesn't sell 3ds numbers with a chance to sell as much as the Wii is if isn't NIntendo's 1 platform.  Ok there are more ways.  Make really crappy games that no one likes is another way.   :)



#334 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:05 PM

Didn't they already comment that Switch wasn't going to be their dedicated portable. Switch isn't going to sell 3DS numbers. The mobile market is getting more competitive day by day.
 

They haven't said anything.  And 3ds sales rose YoY in 2016.  NOt bad for a 5-6 yr old device when  the "mobile market is getting more competitive day by day."

 

Switch isn't selling consumers on the F2P games found in mobile either.  As they've found with Pokemon Go, the idea is to use mobile to expose customers to their IP and then get some of those customers (lapsed or new) onto their dedicated hardware.  



#335 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:20 PM

Oh good. I've always wanted a game that makes me want to light my console on fire.

 

Also a white baby in 2017? For shame, Nintendo.  [-(

 

You racist.  Judging a baby by the color of its skin.  



#336 scottman   The ORIGINAL smiley blank face. CAGiversary!   3685 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:27 PM

 

Besides the Switch will come down in price over time. 

 

Like the price of the struggling Wii U came down over time?



#337 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:30 PM

Like the price of the struggling Wii U came down over time?

 

No like the price of the Wii, DS, 3ds, Gamecube, N64, Gameboy, SNES, etc came down in price over time.  

 

EVen the Wii U dropped $50 in price, had games bundled with it eventually and was on sale many times on top of all that.

 

And Nintendo can make alt versions of the Switch for a cheaper price as well.  The 2ds for example.   Wii mini is another example.  



#338 chrislaustin   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   7615 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:31 PM

Why do you have a  problem accurately quoting the list price of the Switch but have no problem accurately quoting the list price of the 2ds/3ds?   :)    The Switch is $300.   It's not $400-$500.  

 

Parents hand kids expensive electronic devices nowadays.   Handing an 11 yr old a $300 Switch is nothing in today's world.

 

And given that the Switch appears to be Nintendo's 1 platform going forward and that the price will come down and that Nintendo will likely release a better/smaller version of it in a few years, I don't see any reason why it won't sell like the 3ds.  The hardware is getting good word of mouth from those that have tried it.  IT's got 3-4 must-have games coming out for it the 1st 9 months.  Plus 3ds sales actually went up YoY in 2016.

 

The only way it doesn't sell 3ds numbers with a chance to sell as much as the Wii is if isn't NIntendo's 1 platform.  Ok there are more ways.  Make really crappy games that no one likes is another way.   :)

So what are you doing and playing for the $300? Nothing right, as there is no game included for $300 correct?

 

With one game, tax, maybe shipping, it's $400, that is where I'm getting that from. If you buy a case, an extra game, anything really to actually enjoy the NS, your at $500(minimum). The 3DS/2DS can be had in bundles with a game, and is still rather cheap.

 

The NS is closer to the Wii U in price and form factor, than the 2DS/3DS. So, just based on your thoughts, I would think the NS is going to finish closer to the Wii U in overall sales numbers than that of the 3DS. But that is my thoughts on the subject.

 

And yes, parents do buy their kids all kinds of expensive devices, and those same devices play cheap games, run movies, text, chat, email, order a pizza, and anything else the NS doesn't, so why again would a parent buying a kid an all in one device, want to buy an all in none device for the same price? This is the same thinking within "N", and it is flawed beyond reason.

 

If you can't see the difference between the 3DS selling what it did based on it's price, and the size, and the fact that it has handheld priced games, not console priced ones, there isn't much else to say here.



#339 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3649 Posts   Joined 11.0 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:34 PM

Like the price of the struggling Wii U came down over time?


The Wii U used a bunch of weird proprietary parts and a PowerPC processor that hardly anyone uses anymore. The NS is based on the NVidia Shield Tablet so I don't think they'll have the same issue. Those ARM tablets go down in price quite quickly.

#340 TheAlphaNerd  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 07:35 PM

This is a joke right? I see all these kids walking around with $500+ smartphones/tablets all the time.

People will tell themselves that I'm not just buying a new 3ds or a system or a tablet. It's all of those things.

That is not an accurate sample of the general public. Most families can't afford to do that for their children, and if the device is used by a child, it is often owned by the adult. I can't see an adult who doesn't already actively play video games being interested in purchasing the Switch, even at the request of their child. 

 

Also, as of now, this is not a tablet. There are no apps, no browser, and many moving parts that children could easily break.  

 

I think the Switch will sell well over time, perhaps possessing the same market share as the XB1. 



#341 HustlerKid   Im just here for the comments CAGiversary!   390 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:04 PM

If you haven't pre-ordered the Switch and not excited for it, why are you here? To try and curb peoples enthusiasm? I'm 27 and can find more important shit to do, why is there a 45 year old posting negative shit throughout a preorder thread?

Sucks I can't be hype with other fans without "grown" men trying to shit on parades.

#342 Equippt  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:09 PM

I have a very different unpopular opinion, and that is that Nintendo is killing it with the launch of the Switch.

 

I know, just hear me out.

 

There are serious issues that most of us have about the Switch going forward, but in the meantime Nintendo is selling out all of their preorder stock. The current demand also bodes well for whatever retail stock they have in the few months following the launch. Unless anything goes seriously wrong for them, Nintendo shouldn't have much trouble keeping sales up until we hit E3.

 

Many features clearly aren't ready yet, even basic ones like an internet browser, but there's no point in delaying the launch of the console if the games are ready. The lineup of launch games may not be huge, but it's generally high quality. Personally, I'll have Zelda and Isaac to play day one, with Tetris, Mario Kart, and Disgaea coming later in the spring, along with a few others that look interesting. That's plenty to keep me busy until summer.

 

The messaging behind the Switch also follows this line of thinking. Nintendo has ignored everything about the Switch other than its ability to play games, which is a brilliant way to communicate to their core audience. Day-one purchasers are getting a Switch for the games, not for anything else. We don't need to know about Netflix. We don't need to know about the OS. We're much more interested in picking apart the latest Zelda or Mario trailer, and those are the things that Nintendo has been giving us. They're making sure that their biggest fans stay excited, and so far it's working.

 

Now, while this strategy has set the Switch up for a successful launch, it only works in the short term. Eventually, Nintendo needs to focus on the rest of the gaming world and the casual market. Our discussion here proves that many people aren't willing to drop $300 on a Zelda machine. If they keep withholding basic information about the system and its future, the folks who are on the fence are going to get fed up and move on. I mentioned E3 before, because that's probably as far as Nintendo can get without filling out the Switch's feature set. And of course, we need to hear about more than "complete editions" of older games or Wii U ports. If there's not a better long-term strategy in place before the holidays, Nintendo could be in big trouble.

 

Until then, though, Nintendo has perfectly targeted the people who are willing to drop $300 on a Zelda machine, and apparently there are enough of us to buy them some time while they polish up the rest of the console.



#343 TheAlphaNerd  

TheAlphaNerd

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:34 PM

 

 

Until then, though, Nintendo has perfectly targeted the people who are willing to drop $300 on a Zelda machine, and apparently there are enough of us to buy them some time while they polish up the rest of the console.

Agreed. This launch has been much better, and I am more excited than any grown man should be. 



#344 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3302 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:39 PM

That is not an accurate sample of the general public.

Actually that is the general public and a pretty accurate sampling.  It's the same thing I see.... it's the same thing you'd see in the wild if you went outside.

 

If you haven't pre-ordered the Switch and not excited for it, why are you here? To try and curb peoples enthusiasm? I'm 27 and can find more important shit to do, why is there a 45 year old posting negative shit throughout a preorder thread?

Sucks I can't be hype with other fans without "grown" men trying to shit on parades.

Yeah I wish the party poopers could quit with the massive whining blog posts and move along from the preorder thread.

 

I may not have one preordered (I'll probably have to wait till after launch as preordering hasn't been convenient), but I'm hyped for the system because of the games.

 

I can imagine Ultra Street Fighter 2 at work during lunch break will attract a lot of attention.   Same for Puyo Puyo Tetris.   A lot of people don't seem to get social gaming... and that's fine for them.  But for me what's selling it is this idea that all I need is the base package and I can bring it with me pretty much anywhere and setup a little multiplayer kiosk like experience.  That could be a lot of fun as I'm around people all day but rarely do I get to share my gaming interest with them unless it's just a random conversation.

 

Also, Super Mario Odyssey ... I'm SOLD on that.  I have to play it.   If they bring over the Switch versions of Dragon Quest X & XI then it'll be perfect for continuing the DQ main line games.   I already have all of the DS & 3DS offerings.  We really just need new ports (even VC) of 1->3 and it'll make for having the entire main line series between two systems.

 

Oh and DIsgaea 5 Complete.  Part of what kept me from the PS4 version was that I don't like Disgaea as a console series.  I LOVE it as a handheld series due to the massive amount of grinding you can do.  It just works better as a portable game.



#345 Nesmaniac   8 bit heaven CAGiversary!   1377 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:44 PM

Yeah they might have sold out pre-orders if they did that stuff.  

We all knew pre-orders were going to do well no matter what it being an nintendo console. Lots of folks pre-ordered a wii u too (me included & I for one was very happy with mine, still am infact) but what matters is that 1st impression. I still think as I stated earlier the switch will be the top selling console nintendo has ever released just by crunching the handheld/console sales of their past. If they get say half the combined sales of 3ds and wii u in the first year then we are looking at major numbers. It's just catering to a larger audience & the numbers don't lie.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They can always go down but not up in price so I understand the $299.99 and feel lucky it wasn't $349.99. Apparently they was trying to keep price down as low as possible & including even a port of a game might not seem smart business wise for them. Basically I see where they were coming from because with no game bundled at $299.99 gives the consumer choice where as a $349.99 bundle with a game locked them to that particular game. In short the switch really is $359.98 with a game of your choice is what it boils down to. Consumers though don't always look at value in a logical way & like a nice pack in game even if they are paying for it. XB1 and PS4 bundles for $249.99 with a game is definitely a factor even if Nintendo don't admit to them being competition. In the end they are all gaming machines & the price had to be kept low as possible from the Big N.



#346 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:44 PM

So what are you doing and playing for the $300? Nothing right, as there is no game included for $300 correct?

 

With one game, tax, maybe shipping, it's $400, that is where I'm getting that from. If you buy a case, an extra game, anything really to actually enjoy the NS, your at $500(minimum). The 3DS/2DS can be had in bundles with a game, and is still rather cheap.

 

The NS is closer to the Wii U in price and form factor, than the 2DS/3DS. So, just based on your thoughts, I would think the NS is going to finish closer to the Wii U in overall sales numbers than that of the 3DS. But that is my thoughts on the subject.

 

And yes, parents do buy their kids all kinds of expensive devices, and those same devices play cheap games, run movies, text, chat, email, order a pizza, and anything else the NS doesn't, so why again would a parent buying a kid an all in one device, want to buy an all in none device for the same price? This is the same thinking within "N", and it is flawed beyond reason.

 

If you can't see the difference between the 3DS selling what it did based on it's price, and the size, and the fact that it has handheld priced games, not console priced ones, there isn't much else to say here.

 

But you didn't include tax nor shipping with the 2ds/3ds pricepoints either.  Nor did you include the cost of accessories with the 2ds/3ds pricepoints.  Most of the 3ds models do not include a game.  They don't even include the charger.    But you didn't include that cost either did you?   :)

 

Yet for some reason you tacked an extra $200 onto the cost of a Switch when talking about its price while only quoting the list prices of the 2ds/3ds family.   :)    

 

Nevermind that the 3ds family is 6 yrs old.  The Switch hasn't been released.   The surprise would be if the Switch wasn't more expensive at launch than the 6 yr old 3ds platform.

 

Also the cost of a Wii and a DS was at least $400  back in the day and that's at least $100 more than the Switch which covers both those bases and then some.  That's not even factoring in inflation over 10 years.  The 3ds and a Wii U cost at least $500 at launch to be conservative.  Switch is $300. 

 

Why would anyone buy a 3ds for $200 to play $40 games when they can play free games on their $50 tablet?  And yet 3ds sales rose YoY.  The reason people buy a device like a 3ds or the upcoming Switch is to play games and have experiences they can't have anywhere else!!!!  That's the whole pt of Nintendo's business.

 

There were a few Wii U games that came out at handheld prices to start with.  Yoshi's Woolly World.  Kirby.  Toad Treasure Tracker. Mario Party 10 was $40 or became $40 soon enough.   IN other words nothing stopping Nintendo from pricing some games at $40 or cheaper to start with.  Plus their Nintendo Selects line on the Wii U is $20 just like on handheld.  



#347 Master Miguel   Tired CAGiversary!   1447 Posts   Joined 7.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:47 PM

I don't know if people are crapping on the hype or just discussing how they think Nintendo could have done things differently. I am sitting on a pre order and just bought a refurb wii u a week ago. I wish instead of a vague 'we might port some wii u games over' they would give a more definitive answer. If I knew tropical freeze and Mario and pikmin from wii u would be on switch I never would have grabbed a refurb.

This way I can at least do some Mario maker with my 5yr old daughter. Looking forward to that.

#348 ZeroGame   zero game all luck CAGiversary!   1279 Posts   Joined 4.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:49 PM

With all this bickering do we need a preorder thread 3.0?

#349 dualrec  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 08:49 PM

Well. Bye bye switch. Cancelled my preorder cause I'm just not excited. Save the money for a 4k tv and scorpio.

#350 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2304 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:00 PM

If you haven't pre-ordered the Switch and not excited for it, why are you here? To try and curb peoples enthusiasm? I'm 27 and can find more important shit to do, why is there a 45 year old posting negative shit throughout a preorder thread?

Sucks I can't be hype with other fans without "grown" men trying to shit on parades.

I ordered the Switch, was super hyped, was on here at midnight or whatever with everyone else when we nearly crashed CAG watching the live stream reveal from Nintendo. 

 

As time has gone on, I've become frustrated at Switch. And I will continue to criticize it until I determine if I actually want the thing. 

 

For most people here, this is a $500 purchase with few games at launch and A LOT of overpriced accessories. 



#351 TheAlphaNerd  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:04 PM

Actually that is the general public and a pretty accurate sampling.  It's the same thing I see.... it's the same thing you'd see in the wild if you went outside.

 

No, it is not. You are associating something you see often with something that is commonplace in society, let alone the world. Even in our country, where we have a large population of families with disposable income, as well the highest child poverty rate of any industrialized country, I might add, most families do not give their young children relatively large, expensive devices for the sole purpose of non-educational gaming. 

 

I work with kiddos, K-12. I work in high-SES districts, as well as those where the majority of students are on free or reduced lunch. The only commonly seen devices are phones and laptops, more common in the suburbs, and that is in the secondary grades. When I'm out, I see children of all ages with devices, but it is certainly not most children. My son has a New 3DS XL, for instance, but I'm not letting him take it with him everywhere he goes. 

 

TL;DR:

The Switch looks awesome, but expecting sales that rival that of smaller, cheaper, and more diverse electronic devices should not be expected, nor should sales that match that of the Wii or 3DS. There are smaller, more affordable devices that parents who are not gamers will see as a better value.

 

That being said, I hope I'm wrong.



#352 elitewillie   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3133 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:10 PM

If you haven't pre-ordered the Switch and not excited for it, why are you here? To try and curb peoples enthusiasm? I'm 27 and can find more important shit to do, why is there a 45 year old posting negative shit throughout a preorder thread?

Sucks I can't be hype with other fans without "grown" men trying to shit on parades.

Calm down Donald Trump. It's OK for people to be critical of things they love and think can improve. I love Nintendo, that's why it's important for me for them to improve and do things better. Also this is an open forum not an only fanboy forums. People have different opinions. Get over it. If you want and echo chamber become rich and hire a bunch of yes people.

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#353 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:14 PM

We all knew pre-orders were going to do well no matter what it being an nintendo console. Lots of folks pre-ordered a wii u too (me included & I for one was very happy with mine, still am infact) but what matters is that 1st impression. I still think as I stated earlier the switch will be the top selling console nintendo has ever released just by crunching the handheld/console sales of their past. If they get say half the combined sales of 3ds and wii u in the first year then we are looking at major numbers. It's just catering to a larger audience & the numbers don't lie.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They can always go down but not up in price so I understand the $299.99 and feel lucky it wasn't $349.99. Apparently they was trying to keep price down as low as possible & including even a port of a game might not seem smart business wise for them. Basically I see where they were coming from because with no game bundled at $299.99 gives the consumer choice where as a $349.99 bundle with a game locked them to that particular game. In short the switch really is $359.98 with a game of your choice is what it boils down to. Consumers though don't always look at value in a logical way & like a nice pack in game even if they are paying for it. XB1 and PS4 bundles for $249.99 with a game is definitely a factor even if Nintendo don't admit to them being competition. In the end they are all gaming machines & the price had to be kept low as possible from the Big N.

But you said that if only Nintendo would have packed in a game and had online ready to go out of the gate that they would have gotten off to a great start with the Switch.   Call me crazy but selling out of all their pre-orders is what I would call off to a great start considering we're still 3 weeks before launch.   They don't have to include a pack-in game.  

 

And while in a perfect world they should have everything ready to go at launch, the console launch is not the end game.  IT's the starting gun at the beginning of a marathon.   

 

Nowadays consoles are soft launched.  And launch games have always been ho hum as a rule of thumb.  



#354 elitewillie   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3133 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:19 PM

But you said that if only Nintendo would have packed in a game and had online ready to go out of the gate that they would have gotten off to a great start with the Switch. Call me crazy but selling out of all their pre-orders is what I would call off to a great start considering we're still 3 weeks before launch. They don't have to include a pack-in game.

And while in a perfect world they should have everything ready to go at launch, the console launch is not the end game. IT's the starting gun at the beginning of a marathon.

Nowadays consoles are soft launched. And launch games have always been ho hum as a rule of thumb.

Pre orders are great but not really useful unless you know the amount that they are supplying that was pre ordered. Additionally, a lot of people like myself pre-ordered at several places (2 consoles at 3 places) but I'm only gonna buy one or two. That means 6 pre orders that are only going to be converted to one or two actual purchases. I bet the majority of people here ordered at multiple places. This could have inflated pre order numbers.

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#355 trip1eX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1599 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:31 PM

Pre orders are great but not really useful unless you know the amount that they are supplying that was pre ordered. Additionally, a lot of people like myself pre-ordered at several places (2 consoles at 3 places) but I'm only gonna buy one or two. That means 6 pre orders that are only going to be converted to one or two actual purchases. I bet the majority of people here ordered at multiple places. This could have inflated pre order numbers.

We know the  initial stock worldwide.  2 million.  Looks sold out in US.  Sold out in Japan from the looks of it.  Don't know about Europe.  

 

Not much else to go on 3 weeks before launch as to what kind of start it is off to.  I don't even call it a start yet since it hasn't launched.

 

Your number of pre-orders is anecdotal.  Add up all the CAG preorders and do we even get to a 1000?  IF the 2 million in stock is divided equally 3 ways then NA is getting 667,000.  6,670 would be 1% of pre-orders.  1000 is roughly .15 percent of preorders.  And this is only US CAGs. 

 

Anyway how can you do better so far, 3 weeks before launch, than to sell out of your pre-orders?  Seems so far, so good to me.  



#356 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   3302 Posts   Joined 15.2 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:31 PM

No, it is not. You are associating something you see often with something that is commonplace in society, let alone the world. Even in our country, where we have a large population of families with disposable income, as well the highest child poverty rate of any industrialized country, I might add, most families do not give their young children relatively large, expensive devices for the sole purpose of non-educational gaming.

So all the PS4, X1, WiiU, 3DS... and other systems that were sold in the last year were all bought by and for adults?  I don't think so.

 

No one is talking about families too poor to buy systems.  Obviously they aren't the target market Nintendo has in mind anymore than Ferrari is targeting me with their cars.  I'm talking about reality... what actually kids have and get that actually get stuff.  Not all the kids that don't get this stuff or maybe only ever gets something as a hand-me-down.



#357 Destro14  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:35 PM

Um actually 3ds sales have been on a steady decline since 2013. Maybe waning wasnt the right choice, but honestly increased sales were likely mostly due to the release of pokemon go sparking a lot of renewed interest causing growth towards the end of the year. Here's a chart with data backed up by venturebeat and wikipedia

 

https://en.wikipedia...tendo_3DS_sales

http://venturebeat.c...s-sold-to-date/

 

If you stick around for a while you'll learn to realize reggie is completely full of shit, and all of his industry doublespeek should be taken with a metric ton of salt. He'll always spin any quarterly earnings report in the most positive fashion he can. Honestly, I'd be trying to spin it any way i could with a near 50% drop in sales between 2014-2016.

 

Calling the the 3ds lineup through the holiday season anemic would be generous. Besides fire emblem, what even has a release date that doesn't look like shovelware? Reggie pulled the same line of crap about the ds not replacing the gba, its called hedging your bets. If the switch takes off, you better believe they'll be shifting all development to it.

 

A fire sale of a limited print item available only on black friday selling out isn't exactly a reasonable metric to measure demand.

 

I'm honestly not even going to respond to your anecdotal arguments. I liked it a lot more when you tried to use real data to contradict my claim.

https://yourlogicalf...s.com/anecdotal

 

Thanks for your incomplete sales chart, only showing 3DS hardware sales through the first three months of 2016. If you look at Reggie's claim, he is actually correct, the hardware numbers are there for showing a surge in sales. And I know they relied on the new Pokemon games and low price 3DS to drive these numbers, but the fact is they sold units. And if you are a Nintendo fan this should be good news, I don't mind if one title drives sales to allow a company some room to figure out next steps and innovate. I think that your wrong about the fire sale measuring demand. I think both the 3DS and classic console are perfect examples on how Nintendo miscalculated supply and demand for their products. The price was low enough to drive demand so high that the product sold out quickly. Also, I did reference all 3DS consoles, which are still not available around me with the exception of a Pokemon XL preorder at Gamestop. All other versions aren't available within 250 miles, which is also a supply/demand problem (which Nintendo needs to fix soon). Look at the prices in the second hand market, and you will see that there is a big demand for the 3DS, or people wouldn't be able to charge as much as they are getting. The demand is there or else the shelves wouldn't sell out (including XLs not just the $99 version), and you would be able to get a 3DS for cost or lower, not $100 more than MSRP.

 

You think the only game coming out that isn't shovel ware is FE. I can't argue against your preferences, but I do have a few titles I am looking forward to including some of the Level - 5 games (Lady Layton, The Snack World) and Pikmin 3DS. I do hope more games are released, and I do hope this is one time Reggie is telling the truth and we get a few more quality titles.

 

I expect Reggie to spin the numbers in his favor, he isn't going against his employer. And if the switch takes off and they move all development to that console, that is smart business. Don't we want them to be delivering quality so people will continue to buy a product that could have a long life cycle with updated versions? This will spur better development and third parties to jump on board, which everyone is always complaining about anyway. I expect a company to act in their own best interest, and they better have different options depending on how well the switch does, or they are as shortsighted and doomed as everyone has been predicting since the early 90s.

 

Also, I find it ironic that you have no basis for your argument that casual fans won't buy the hardware, other than having smart devices, yet reject other observations regarding the same topic as anecdotal evidence. Considering my first console as a kid was an Atari 2600, I have been around long enough to know that Reggie isn't the best choice for the role he is in, but I still support Nintendo, because I like their products. 



#358 Deader2818   Flipadelphia! CAGiversary!   11239 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:40 PM

Pre orders really don't mean much when the wii u sold out of their pre orders and look how that ended up.

Couple in the fact since the wii u people have learned buy now and sell for a profit with Nintendo products them selling out could be misleading. Nintendo always creates artificial shortages to drive demand so we really won't know how well the switch is doing till at least 2018.

#359 Nothing-   Tomorrow King - Interloper Kai CAGiversary!   9137 Posts   Joined 9.0 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:44 PM

Spoiler

While I agree with the spirit of your post and what you are saying here, the fact remains that four of the five games you have listed are available on other consoles, and some of them are even cheaper.  Technically Zelda is on the Wii U too so that's all five. 

 

I'm going to buy a few of these games too, because I want them on my newest Nintendo device.   But the Switch isn't offering anything that is actually new until possibly during the holidays.

 

This is clearly a "wait and see" period of time and many of us so obviously have our judgement clouded by our fandom.  I'm trying to maintain a practical approach, even though I buy most every console.



#360 R3DH3R0   15 Years and Counting CAGiversary!   2868 Posts   Joined 17.0 Years Ago  

Posted 09 February 2017 - 09:50 PM

Pre orders really don't mean much when the wii u sold out of their pre orders and look how that ended up.

Couple in the fact since the wii u people have learned buy now and sell for a profit with Nintendo products them selling out could be misleading. Nintendo always creates artificial shortages to drive demand so we really won't know how well the switch is doing till at least 2018.

I saw Wii U consoles in stock on launch day and the days following up. I worked at BBY when the PS4 and X1 came out and we sold out on launch and every restock for quite a bit. Our store and the surrounding stores.