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#3871 WaveGod  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 08:26 AM

The Amazon listing was a boner. The real Amazon listing will go up on release day between 1:30pm-2:00pm EST, just like when they put amiibos up.

There is no way Amazon would allow ordering as many as people have. The CSRs people have talked to know nothing about item listings and cannot be trusted. They are nowhere near the actual Amazon supply chain - quite literally since it's probably outsourced halfway around the world. Just because it said stocked by Amazon doesn't mean anything.The Game Trust line should have had everyone's bullshit sensors going off like crazy (and even moreso now that the listing has been deleted).

And so this doesn't seem like a sour grapes post, I do have a preorder from Target.


Lol you cant be trusted

#3872 MakMan333  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:15 PM

Has anyone switched CC on their Amazon UK orders?

I'm concerned my current CC won't have the funds available when it ships, but am concerned the order will cancel if I switch to a different cardm

#3873 portnoyd   Amiiboversary! CAGiversary!   767 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

portnoyd

Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:16 PM

Lol you cant be trusted

Sorry, I don't believe your Amazon preorder is real.

Re: gnugget5

I didn't say a reselling-less demand was realistic - just that if you removed that additional demand theoretically, it would even out. You even admit to this later in your post. Without the double demand per unit, the supply would fall closely to demand. To Nintendo's credit, that's smart business - leaving nothing on the shelf and no customers wanting. And just like Nintendo, that ignores the reality of the situation.

And yada yada game collector long time too, it's only been this bad once before and that was Smash Wave 4 amiibos. Robin and Lucina on Amazon comes to mind. I was sitting at my computer refreshing their pages and never even saw them come in stock before they sold out. At least with a predetermined time, I saw Walmart come in stock before it sold out 45 seconds later.

#3874 Sigma   King of Strong Style CAGiversary!   4428 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:18 PM

This is turning out to be like Limited Run Games 2 weeks ago for night trap. Except for stressing out at only two times, it's all day...fun times

 

:bomb:   :wall:

Night Trap was not nearly as stressful, I easily got a copy during the 10 AM run and had more trouble with WonderBoy. The nice thing about LRG is that you know exactly what time you can order the product. The SNES was a guessing game yesterday and in many cases sheer luck of being awake and happening to check at the right time. I only got one pre-ordered because I have a friend who manages a Gamestop store that helped me out while I was at work like most people and his store was allotted a whopping 7 systems.



#3875 TuscaloosaJohnny  

TuscaloosaJohnny

Posted 23 August 2017 - 12:57 PM

Sorry, I don't believe your Amazon preorder is real.

Re: gnugget5

I didn't say a reselling-less demand was realistic - just that if you removed that additional demand theoretically, it would even out. You even admit to this later in your post. Without the double demand per unit, the supply would fall closely to demand. To Nintendo's credit, that's smart business - leaving nothing on the shelf and no customers wanting. And just like Nintendo, that ignores the reality of the situation.

And yada yada game collector long time too, it's only been this bad once before and that was Smash Wave 4 amiibos. Robin and Lucina on Amazon comes to mind. I was sitting at my computer refreshing their pages and never even saw them come in stock before they sold out. At least with a predetermined time, I saw Walmart come in stock before it sold out 45 seconds later.


It's not double demand though. The same number of systems end up in the same number of consumers' hands with an added step in the form of resellers.

#3876 Stridix   IT"S OVER 9000!!! CAGiversary!   205 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:00 PM

Has anyone switched CC on their Amazon UK orders?

I'm concerned my current CC won't have the funds available when it ships, but am concerned the order will cancel if I switch to a different cardm

No but I switched shipping to amazonglobal from standard and so far it's all good.



#3877 gnugget5   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   439 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

gnugget5

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:15 PM

It's not double demand though. The same number of systems end up in the same number of consumers' hands with an added step in the form of resellers.

That's exactly my point.  Resellers do not add to the demand, they defer it.  A reseller without an audience willing to buy it at resale value is most likely going to return it.  Most likely, the reseller would drive down the price to the point where demand kicks in and the product sells (any profit is afterall better than no profit, from their perspective).  Either way, the entire demand chain is still limited by the total number of consumers willing to make a 'final' purchase of the item.  Depending on where this level stabilizes, relative to the supply chain from Nintendo, will dictate the final after-market price.



#3878 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:16 PM

These preorders couldn't have gone better for Nintendo (and resellers) if they paid these retailers.  Oh wait, they do. Everything was perfectly orchestrated, everyone thinks it's super rare, and we still have no clue how many were available today.  Gamestop is making sure we know it SOLD OUT, and shut down their website to avoid bots and crashes.  But with 30 second windows at huge chains like walmart, I really doubt they sold their entire alotment.  Their website didn't even hiccup like past nes classic and switch stock events where too many people were trying to check out.

 

For amazon, it couldn't have gone better either.  They had it up for a long time, albeit when many were asleep, server never even coughed, they may have even thwarted bot users with that stealth listing.  Rather than deal with x customers with 1 unit each, they have many fewer customers with multiple orders, less possible complaints later on.  Their bottom line, they pre-sold a lot with minimal server issues and complaints.

 

I think there will be more of these than NES classics, but NIntendo will do what they do best and create "rareness" demand for as long as they can.  Then cruelly remove it to make sure it stays that way, but they announced it this time in advance.  

 

And you can't say resellers are just diverting supply and aren't increasing the demand/price/rarity.  The hoarding and effect on supply/perception is exactly the cycle that raises prices.  How can it not?  Even now, I can assure you many people who didn't even want an NES classic have one or a few tucked away just due to the rareness and reselling value and not just the people who would actually buy one if they thought supply was unlimited.

I would say your just taking a guess that their will be "more" then the NES Classic because what is more defined by 1,000 more 10,000 more. Your also just speculating due to lack of web issues for Walmart that they didnt sell their allotment; these are all just guesses. However one thing that is for sure is the market for this product was created last year by the Mini NES Craze AND add that to the Nintendo Audience on a product like this spans so many age groups; demand is not going to waiver by alot; and 2nd Market Value will stay steady as the Mini NES has shown the ability to remain 2x over MSRP even a year later. 

its honestly no different then any other collectors edition that is bound to sell out Fallout Pipboy last year Destiny 2 this year; etc. Re-sellers are going to be all over it and especially the ones using bots to buy; incentive to make those products sell out and be in scarce availability. By doing that they have managed to corner the market so even the guy who just grabs 2 one to buy; one to sell is going to make out like kid in a candy store because the market has been created by the hardcore re-sellers. I'm not going to call them scalpers as this is a practice that dates back to well before any of our time; and happens in many more markets then just the video game sector of ebay or just in general.



#3879 Bivensra   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1086 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:17 PM

If anyone wants to trade a Euro SNES for a NES Classic or SNES Classic let's chat closer to release.

#3880 sc12eam   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   1 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:34 PM

I have a NES classic NIB and would be interested in a trade for the SNES classic US or UK.

#3881 prince_david   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   10 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

prince_david

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:53 PM

So I guess this is it right? No more pre-orders? What a big clusterf**k



#3882 justadude  

justadude

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:56 PM

I think the problem is caring. If you don't care there will be no demand. There shouldn't even be demand for this. I'm now in support of emulation. Emulate away people.

#3883 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 01:57 PM

So I guess this is it right? No more pre-orders? What a big clusterf**k

Play Asia hasnt opened up yet; not sure if B&H is gonna do pre orders. Target seems to still be flickering maybe cancelattions as folks get some yesterday later via gamestop instead. Mini NES sold 2.3 million world wide I woudl venture a guess that Nintendo isnt going to be able to produce much more then that on the SNES. 

 

Theres also this from Nintendo "Super Nintendo Entertainment System: Super NES Classic Edition is currently planned to ship from Sept. 29 until the end of calendar year 2017. At this time, we have nothing to announce regarding any possible shipments beyond this year."



#3884 TheBigHouse   What Up Doe? CAGiversary!   604 Posts   Joined 15.4 Years Ago  

TheBigHouse

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:10 PM

So I guess this is it right? No more pre-orders? What a big clusterf**k

Regardless of what happened the other night with that "alternate" Amazon listing, I'm willing to bet that Amazon will have a pre-order session on the main Classic SNES page



#3885 portnoyd   Amiiboversary! CAGiversary!   767 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

portnoyd

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:13 PM

That's exactly my point. Resellers do not add to the demand, they defer it.

No, they double it. Once for the reseller, again for the person who buys it from them. I am saying demand, you are saying sales. The reseller and the their eventual buyer both want the item from the retailer, which is twice the demand (but for different reasons). The reseller defers the sale.

How many people wanted to preorder yesterday, failed to and bought one on eBay? Those people wanted it for their own use (their contribution to demand) but the resellers wanted it to resell (their demand contribution).

I think we are both in agreement but either myself or you are not using the right language to describe our points.

#3886 Sigma   King of Strong Style CAGiversary!   4428 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:15 PM

So I guess this is it right? No more pre-orders? What a big clusterf**k

I wouldn't say that. Nintendo has made it very clear that they are going to manufacture more SNES Classics than they did the NES. I still don't believe they will make enough to meet the high demand, but I do believe the chances of getting one at retail price if you want it will be much higher than the NES Classic. I've got one locked down now and will try to get my hands on a couple of more, I'd like to give my brother one for his birthday in November. I'm also going to go after the Japanese release as well, which I didn't do with the Famicom Classic. 



#3887 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:35 PM

I wouldn't say that. Nintendo has made it very clear that they are going to manufacture more SNES Classics than they did the NES. I still don't believe they will make enough to meet the high demand, but I do believe the chances of getting one at retail price if you want it will be much higher than the NES Classic. I've got one locked down now and will try to get my hands on a couple of more, I'd like to give my brother one for his birthday in November. I'm also going to go after the Japanese release as well, which I didn't do with the Famicom Classic. 

2.3 Million in 4 months is going to be hard to top. Especially based on yesterday I believe the demand is even higher due to last years craze,. 



#3888 gnugget5   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   439 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

gnugget5

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:40 PM

No, they double it. Once for the reseller, again for the person who buys it from them. I am saying demand, you are saying sales. The reseller and the their eventual buyer both want the item from the retailer, which is twice the demand (but for different reasons). The reseller defers the sale.

How many people wanted to preorder yesterday, failed to and bought one on eBay? Those people wanted it for their own use (their contribution to demand) but the resellers wanted it to resell (their demand contribution).

Your definition of demand is myopic and short-sighted.  A reseller can certainly contribute to the hype and INITIAL interest in a product.  However, without a buyer, a reseller is not going to sit on their product and will return it to vendors.  The key here is that a  reseller has no interest in actually keeping the product for their own use, which is what will factor into the ultimate demand for a product.  Demand is determined by the consumers that permanently remove it from the market, reducing the total supply in retail channels. 

 

The definition of demand is "the quantity of a commodity or a service that people are willing or able to buy at a certain price."  It is clear that the demand for the product at MSRP is greater when resellers are factored into the equation, there are simply more people involved.  However, the very inclusion of a reseller will increase the market price for a product.  Increasing the price decreases the demand, a basic tenet of the law of supply and demand.  So long as the total quantity of a commodity or service (SNES Classic) are being purchased by consumers, at either MSRP or after-market value, the demand has not changed.

 

If left to their own devices, resellers could always try to drive the market price up...beyond the point which (some) consumers are willing to pay.  In this case, the economic demand for the product would actually decrease, since the total quantity of a commodity/service that people are willing/able to buy at this price would become lower.  This is unlikely to happen, since the reseller price point will naturally tend to gravitate toward the price which people are willing to pay.  So long as retailer inventory is moving to buyers, the demand for the product remains constant (and above the level of supply). 

 

This all goes back to my initial point - a reseller has absolutely no bearing on the long-term demand for a product, since they do not intend to keep the product.  Collectors, on the other hand, DO factor into the demand since their purchase effectively removes the product from available supply.  Of course, a collector may eventually sell their product (there is a grey area between what we define as a short-term collector and a reseller), but this eventual sale will generally occur at the price point defined by the current market for the product (the demand). 



#3889 maykol33  

maykol33

Posted 23 August 2017 - 02:51 PM

So demand eventually gets close to 0. You must have a degree in Economics

#3890 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:09 PM

Just read that Amazon UK cancelled all orders taht were more then 1 per person so hopefully US Amazon is doing that right now and at some point we will see the amazon pre orders come back up once they sort out how many they have left after taking away from the people who ordered more than 1. Just something to keep an eye on. I personally would rather buy from amazon then the red controller bundle from gamestop but cant complain if i Dont.

 

Supposedly gamestop got 40,000 yesterday (pre orders) and will have 100,000 availible on launch day I cant confirm this information as it comes from a person within the gaming journalists side of the industry who claims they have access to allocation numbers; but I take him with a grain; he's one of those I work in gaming so I'm better and smarter then you type of people. So take that for what its worth if anyone can confirm that on here? 



#3891 gnugget5   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   439 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

gnugget5

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:10 PM

So demand eventually gets close to 0. You must have a degree in Economics

No, the demand does not necessarily approach a limit of zero, especially when considering the secondary (non-MSRP) market.  The demand is dynamic and will tend to stabilize (normalize) in relation to the current price point.  Increased interest in a product will increase demand...which will tend to raise the after-market price for a product, thereby decreasing the demand.  This holistic process tends to, over time, render demand constant (it's the price point that fluctuates in relation to supply). 

 

The traditional law of supply and demand is in relation to a static price (in our conversation, let's assume this is MSRP).  Increased supply will decrease demand, and vice versa....but at a constant price point.  Since retailers have agreements with the manufacturer to sell at or below MSRP (in most cases), the purchase of a product from a MSRP-abiding retailer meets the traditional law of supply and demand (which portnoyd appears to believe is occurring).  The minute you introduce resellers, which are no longer bound by MSRP restrictions, the price point becomes variable in response to their presence, not the demand.

 

And no, I do not have a degree in economics.  :)  I have always found economics to be a very logical discipline, greatly complimented by an understanding of models and dynamic response.  It's become something akin to a hobby in the past decade, though slightly more beneficial to (1) feed my interests as a gamer and (2) assist in our household financial arena.



#3892 KillerRamen   OMG Lilac PSP! CAGiversary!   3649 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:14 PM

2.3 Million in 4 months is going to be hard to top. Especially based on yesterday I believe the demand is even higher due to last years craze,.


It seemed more difficult for me to get a SNES pre-order than it was for me to get a Neon Nintendo Switch pre-order.

I never knew people could get this crazy over 20 - 30 year old games. I still play my SNES, NES, Atari, etc, but I didn't realize so many people cared. It makes me wonder if Nintendo is going to do a NES/SNES compilation cart for the Switch, a N64 classic or a NES Classic 2 for next year.

At this point they'd be crazy not to make this an annual thing.

#3893 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:34 PM

It seemed more difficult for me to get a SNES pre-order than it was for me to get a Neon Nintendo Switch pre-order.

I never knew people could get this crazy over 20 - 30 year old games. I still play my SNES, NES, Atari, etc, but I didn't realize so many people cared. It makes me wonder if Nintendo is going to do a NES/SNES compilation cart for the Switch, a N64 classic or a NES Classic 2 for next year.

At this point they'd be crazy not to make this an annual thing.

Well I believe it was Forbes who discovered a code for a Mini n64 listing already for next season. Where they go from there no idea; but yes I believe because the span of the nintendo fan base on a product like this is so wide; demand is just unlike what we see for most gaming collector items. Where its usually one specific audience like destiny 2 ok the only people paying 250 or above retail are gonna be die hard destiny folks but this system so youve got the middle aged adults 35 and up grew up with this system or probably owned one at some point so theirs that crowd; then you have the folks who really grew up when Yoshis popularity grew in the group below them say 21-34, and then the below 21 year olds who love all the cute characters and like my daughter yesterday saw a Mario game and Yoshi game on the box in the ad and was like well now I want one too. And lets not forget hardcore collectors who want one to play and one to keep unopened.

So the demand is so far reaching on this its pretty incredible to think the staying power NES/SNES has had based on the last two years and as you mention for games 30 years old I know my main interest is Star Fox 2; I'm sure Ill dabble with the other titles but between missing the mini nes and wanting to play a new OLD game in starfox 2 that made it worth it for me. If they do the Mini 64 it better have WCW/NWO revenge that game made for good times in the college dorms lol.



#3894 PeeDeeJay   Who stole my hat? CAGiversary!   761 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

PeeDeeJay

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:45 PM

I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. Where I'm very interested in the SNES Classic, I would have little to no interest in a N64 classic. I feel, IMO, those games haven't aged as well. The ones that are worthwhile to ME, have seen re-releases and remakes (Mario, Zeldas) that are equally as good if not superior to the originals. In the end, to each their own, but I'm curious who craves to hold a classic N64 controller? I mean... its nostalgic, but I don't want to play with that damn thing lol.

#3895 MakMan333  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:48 PM

No but I switched shipping to amazonglobal from standard and so far it's all good.


Switched the payment method and it went through. Haven't gotten a confirmation email but order is still there.

#3896 gnugget5   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   439 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

gnugget5

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:52 PM

I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. Where I'm very interested in the SNES Classic, I would have little to no interest in a N64 classic. I feel, IMO, those games haven't aged as well. The ones that are worthwhile to ME, have seen re-releases and remakes (Mario, Zeldas) that are equally as good if not superior to the originals. In the end, to each their own, but I'm curious who craves to hold a classic N64 controller? I mean... its nostalgic, but I don't want to play with that damn thing lol.

You're not the only person to have these feelings about the N64.  The transition from 2D to 3D overall went well, though the early 3D titles have certainly aged less gracefully than late-generation 2D sprite titles.  In many ways, the SNES remains the pinnacle of 2D sprite gaming, though more recent 'retro' entries have continued this tradition beyond the lifespan of the SNES.  Shovel knight and Undertale come to mind in this regard. 

 

I also believe that an N64 mini would have less positive reception relative to the SNES Classic - time will tell if/when it ever is released.  In the present, we're dealing with the SNES situation which is more likely to create headaches and supply issues for consumers during the next 6 months (or so, until production ends).  The fact that they're already announced that it will have limited production, unlike the NES Classic which was less transparent in its intentions, is only likely to further exacerbate the situation.



#3897 The Green Giant   Leader of the Veggies CAGiversary!   9405 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

The Green Giant

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:54 PM

2.3 Million in 4 months is going to be hard to top. Especially based on yesterday I believe the demand is even higher due to last years craze,. 

 

Here's a CRAZY idea! Maybe make the damn thing for longer than 4 months? Wow! That's so out there! 



#3898 SrDiesel49  

SrDiesel49

Posted 23 August 2017 - 03:59 PM

Here's a CRAZY idea! Maybe make the damn thing for longer than 4 months? Wow! That's so out there! 

I dont think thats the point of these consoles though Nintendo is basically putting it out as a HOT PRODUCT For this holiday season; I dont think they have any intention in meeting TRUE DEMAND because then the Mini NES last year and the Mini SNES this year wouldnt be the most talked about holiday product; and when you have that groundwork the next year that you put out another product youve already created a market that craves it. Think about it this way the Mini NES sold 2.3 Million Id like to know how many of that 2.3 shifted on the secondary market after the initial sale obv that number will be hard to gather but id venture a guess to say over half a million made their way to the secondary market leaving only 1.8 million consumers at retail and it could have been even more that hit the secondary market. I think they are also hoping to turn this success into a massive digital library for there virtual console that has been more then a little underwhelming in my opinion. 



#3899 Stridix   IT"S OVER 9000!!! CAGiversary!   205 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 August 2017 - 04:00 PM

I was talking to a friend about this yesterday. Where I'm very interested in the SNES Classic, I would have little to no interest in a N64 classic. I feel, IMO, those games haven't aged as well. The ones that are worthwhile to ME, have seen re-releases and remakes (Mario, Zeldas) that are equally as good if not superior to the originals. In the end, to each their own, but I'm curious who craves to hold a classic N64 controller? I mean... its nostalgic, but I don't want to play with that damn thing lol.

I think some of my favorite games on the N64 would come into licensing issues such as Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Harvest Moon, Killer Instint Gold,  WWE no Mercy, and/or Bomberman

 

And also the fun part about Goldeneye and Smash was playing with four people....there is no way they are gonna make 4 controllers for that right?



#3900 qwikshake   Deal Hunter CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

qwikshake

Posted 23 August 2017 - 04:00 PM

Nintendo found yet another money-printing scheme, and you best bet your cheap a$$ they will milk the profits until it no longer serves their interests. Sorry, that's just how Nintendo rolls these days. As a consumer, it sickens me, but as a businessman, I can see why it has to be that way. As soon as Modder XYZ breaks the SNES open, management will cut their losses as fast as possible.

Preorders-wise, I'm sitting on top of two ThinkGeek bundles ($169 & $249) that is most def gonna make it hard for me to pay my credit card bills next month.





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