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#9481 Vigilante   poyo CAGiversary!   37951 Posts   Joined 15.7 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:30 PM

Still waiting on the Vita version of Mighty No.9... Any day now...

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#9482 RiPPn  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:31 PM

I don’t know whether it’s translating into sales but MS most definitely has been stepping up its game as far as customer service. I mean BC is one thing but adding free 4K enhancements to those games as well? I played the original Forza Horizon yesterday and it was stunning how it looked due to that effort. They’re also putting all new first party games in GamePass and a lot of other pro-consumer changes.

I own both systems and Sony kills with exclusives but MS with their new management has been really pro-gamer with what they’ve been doing.

Microsoft's hand is forced here.. they can't offer more first party titles so they have to create value elsewhere.  I would wager the house that in an alternate timeline where the Xbox One was a success and Microsoft were the industry leader.. they would not be as friendly as they are.



#9483 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:33 PM

Bloodborne was $7.99 in a recent PSN sale..

love it.

#9484 charlamagne   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   146 Posts   Joined 16.2 Years Ago  

charlamagne

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:33 PM

Bloodborne was $7.99 in a recent PSN sale..

Like I said, I'm judging value in terms of the quality of the games offered. I wouldn't pay a penny for the majority of the PS3 games we've been getting. What the last few months of PS4 titles, along with the dropping of PS3 support says to me is that games I might want to play (and have not already bought) - in terms of quality - now MIGHT make an appearance on PS Plus. This offers me infinitely more value than any PS3 titles on PS Plus in years, since I haven't wanted to play any of them. I can't be the only person who feels this way. 

 

Dropping PS3 support is a needed move. 



#9485 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10829 Posts   Joined 17.3 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:39 PM

Microsoft's hand is forced here.. they can't offer more first party titles so they have to create value elsewhere. I would wager the house that in an alternate timeline where the Xbox One was a success and Microsoft were the industry leader.. they would not be as friendly as they are.


I’m sure you may be right (although I think they were pretty pro-consumer last gen even with the 360 winning). Still I’m just saying that they are trying to be competitive. And competition is good.

#9486 CrepeNuts  

CrepeNuts

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:45 PM

Like I said, I'm judging value in terms of the quality of the games offered. I wouldn't pay a penny for the majority of the PS3 games we've been getting. What the last few months of PS4 titles, along with the dropping of PS3 support says to me is that games I might want to play (and have not already bought) - in terms of quality - now MIGHT make an appearance on PS Plus. This offers me infinitely more value than any PS3 titles on PS Plus in years, since I haven't wanted to play any of them. I can't be the only person who feels this way.

This level of corporate apology is really weird. Clearly we’re all here because we’re Sony fans, but most of us can call BS when we see it. You’re here giving them the benefit of the doubt when they really don’t deserve it. Nowhere did they say that they guaranteed a game for plus will be one “released in the last 18 months” or “has a monetary value of $x.xx”. I don’t know where your optimism is coming from, because history shows game companies (corporations in general) only have the almighty dollar in mind.

#9487 runthejewels  

runthejewels

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:46 PM

Pipe dream. Like I said, a couple years ago they raised the price for a year of Plus by $10 and added no value. There’s no reason to think that the quality of the PS4 games offered will be any better than they have been since the PS4 came out. This is a bad move for the consumer.


Hopefully this turns you off PSN completely and I don't have to come in here and see you whining every week.

#9488 RiPPn  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:47 PM

I’m sure you may be right (although I think they were pretty pro-consumer last gen even with the 360 winning). Still I’m just saying that they are trying to be competitive. And competition is good.

Actually, they weren't.  From things like denying RROD existed.. to not allowing cross play with PC and PlayStation which prevented games like Final Fantasy XI from landing on their platform..  Then the policies they tried to introduce with the Xbox One..   yeah, no.. Microsoft being pro-consumer is a very recent strategy.



#9489 frankmackeyspam   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   491 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

frankmackeyspam

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:50 PM

I’m sure you may be right (although I think they were pretty pro-consumer last gen even with the 360 winning). Still I’m just saying that they are trying to be competitive. And competition is good.

Releasing hardware with a 50% failure rate and charging out the ass for proprietary add-ons like HDD upgrades and wi-fi adapters (not to mention charging for online play at a time when the competition wasn't) are not very pro consumer.  They definitely turned things around by the end of the generation and they're doing a great job with the XBO ever since the disastrous launch.



#9490 RiPPn  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:50 PM

Hopefully this turns you off PSN completely and I don't have to come in here and see you whining every week.

Much rather see his whining then you hijacking the entire thread for days because of nonsense decisions.. but that's none of my business.



#9491 tiredtom  

tiredtom

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:54 PM

Do you need to download the games on a PS3 to enable the cross buy or will I buy able to download Mighty No. 9 etc straight away from my PS4?

I don't think that game would be worth digging out the old PS3

#9492 vherub   x CAGiversary!   3441 Posts   Joined 17.5 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

Fair they are giving a full year notice so subscribers aren't mislead.
Seems this signals the Vita will not be supported much longer and sony will be out of the handheld market
Disappointing there won't be the extra ps4 games via crossbuy. But there are not many good ps3 games out there left that have not been part of ps plus.
Titan Souls, LittleBigPlanet 3,Tearaway, Tales from Borderlands, Lovers in Dangerous Spacetime, Abzu, Life is Strange, Just Cause 3, Downwell, Infamous Second Son, Phantom Pain
That's a solid list of titles for 2017 for ~$45-50 a year sub costs.
Not sure I understand people compaining about the value of the program.



#9493 TheGuardianLegend   What backlog? CAGiversary!   301 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

TheGuardianLegend

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

Actually, they weren't. From things like denying RROD existed.. to not allowing cross play with PC and PlayStation which prevented games like Final Fantasy XI from landing on their platform.. Then the policies they tried to introduce with the Xbox One.. yeah, no.. Microsoft being pro-consumer is a very recent strategy.


But they have been killing it, other than their backwards compatibility thing. That has gotten more and more sparse in releases (granted I haven’t looked in a couple months). But the first party games on their game pass was a big win for the consumers. PS+ needs to do something to be more on the cutting edge and I was hoping the game pass thing would have spurred Sony to do something competitive.

#9494 RiPPn  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:59 PM

Do you need to download the games on a PS3 to enable the cross buy or will I buy able to download Mighty No. 9 etc straight away from my PS4?

I don't think that game would be worth digging out the old PS3

No, once you purchase a title that is cross buy, all platforms become labeled "purchased" and you can then download the title on any available platform.. no hardware necessary.



#9495 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   818 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:00 PM

I don't see them focusing purely on "higher quality" (aka full retail in this context) as a positive thing anyway. With only 2 free games that probably means they will focus on games with mass appeal, so you can say goodbye to any of the cooler niche games we've gotten over the years. I mean just on a personal level looking back at February's lineup the game I got the most excited for was Grand Kingdom. I doubt something like that would ever show up in the new model. 

 

But that said the bigger problem in my eyes is that typically retail games on plus exist solely as a way for the publisher to sell season passes/DLC. They put out the base game on plus and then put the DLC on sale. In the current model that doesn't bother me at all but if they're cutting us down to 2 games a month that practice would just look super scummy. Especially if it's something that happened every single month.



#9496 jimbo8574   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   8261 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

 

Could not agree with you more.. I never understood the appeal of getting physical games.. by the time they hit the service they have been in the bargain bin or in a PSN sale for cheap.  Give me fresh downloadables any day over stale retail games.

Isn't pretty much everything we get for PS3 and Vita stale now?   

 

I wonder what percentage of the free PS3 and Vita games even get played compared to PS4?  I claim the PS3 and Vita games but haven't had a PS3 in many years.  Also traded away my Vita about a year ago.   I have a Playstation TV but only really use it a few times a year for remote play.  

 

I can't imagine a large percentage of PS+ subs really care about some PS3 game from 5 years ago.  Another forum I am on has a few game related threads and for the most part the 360 and PS3 threads are dead now.  Most everyone moved on to either a XBox One or PS4.  



#9497 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10829 Posts   Joined 17.3 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:03 PM

But they have been killing it, other than their backwards compatibility thing. That has gotten more and more sparse in releases (granted I haven’t looked in a couple months). But the first party games on their game pass was a big win for the consumers. PS+ needs to do something to be more on the cutting edge and I was hoping the game pass thing would have spurred Sony to do something competitive.


BC has actually gotten stronger. They released four games yesterday - Forza Horizon, Crackdown, Witcher 2 and Fable Anniversary - not just as new BC games but with Xbox One X enhancements with 9x the pixel count and new options for either performance or graphics like a PC game. That’s amazing to me.

Anyway, as far as 360, now that think about the RROD thing and expensive add-ons, they probably weren’t so consumer friendly back then. I did like having BC on it however.

Regardless, it’s all good. Sony has had a killer game line up and MS is doing a lot to make their fans like their ecosystem too. Competition is a win for everyone.

#9498 tiredtom  

tiredtom

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:07 PM

No, once you purchase a title that is cross buy, all platforms become labeled "purchased" and you can then download the title on any available platform.. no hardware necessary.


That's great.. thanks for the reply

#9499 Zenax[zd]   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   818 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Zenax[zd]

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:20 PM

I can't imagine a large percentage of PS+ subs really care about some PS3 game from 5 years ago.  Another forum I am on has a few game related threads and for the most part the 360 and PS3 threads are dead now.  Most everyone moved on to either a XBox One or PS4.  

Even though I still play my PS3 and Vita quite a bit I actually don't disagree with your logic, I doubt many of the PS3/Vita games without cross buy get very much play time. The problem however is simply that they are taking those things away with absolutely no other (currently announced) changes. They haven't even said this will lead to higher quality PS4 games each month, that is 100% speculation on people.

 

I mean if you look at just the known facts right now the situation is: 1 year from now you will pay the same price for plus but get less stuff. Not hard to see why people are upset about that. 



#9500 runthejewels  

runthejewels

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:28 PM

Like I said, I'm judging value in terms of the quality of the games offered. I wouldn't pay a penny for the majority of the PS3 games we've been getting. What the last few months of PS4 titles, along with the dropping of PS3 support says to me is that games I might want to play (and have not already bought) - in terms of quality - now MIGHT make an appearance on PS Plus. This offers me infinitely more value than any PS3 titles on PS Plus in years, since I haven't wanted to play any of them. I can't be the only person who feels this way.

Dropping PS3 support is a needed move.


You're talking to people who buy shit games for $1 just because it's a dollar.

#9501 runthejewels  

runthejewels

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:30 PM

Much rather see his whining then you hijacking the entire thread for days because of nonsense decisions.. but that's none of my business.


I didn't hijack the thread. The losers who couldn't handle my decision hijacked the thread.

#9502 runthejewels  

runthejewels

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:31 PM

I don't see them focusing purely on "higher quality" (aka full retail in this context) as a positive thing anyway. With only 2 free games that probably means they will focus on games with mass appeal, so you can say goodbye to any of the cooler niche games we've gotten over the years. I mean just on a personal level looking back at February's lineup the game I got the most excited for was Grand Kingdom. I doubt something like that would ever show up in the new model.

But that said the bigger problem in my eyes is that typically retail games on plus exist solely as a way for the publisher to sell season passes/DLC. They put out the base game on plus and then put the DLC on sale. In the current model that doesn't bother me at all but if they're cutting us down to 2 games a month that practice would just look super scummy. Especially if it's something that happened every single month.

If they're putting the DLC on sale as well as giving the base game for free, how is that scummy in the slightest? I would be happy if that's how it went for the rest of Plus.

#9503 jimbo8574   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   8261 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:34 PM

 

I mean if you look at just the known facts right now the situation is: 1 year from now you will pay the same price for plus but get less stuff. Not hard to see why people are upset about that. 

On a site called cheapass gamers I agree.  Most things increase in prices over the years.  We all complained when the PS4 required PS+ to play games on line.  We all complained when the price went up $10 a year.  $5 (for suckers who pay full price) a month is still pretty good IMO.  Back in the days of PSN on PS3 the experience was fairly crappy IMO.  Online games lagged and disconnected.  Chat sucked.  I am glad they have improved the service over the years.

 

I get a lot of value out of both Live (which I got 3 years of at a ridiculously low price) and PSN which I get at a discounted price (who here pays $60 anyway).  I can't worry too much about losing games I don't even have a way to play a year out.  



#9504 runthejewels  

runthejewels

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:36 PM

On a site called cheapass gamers I agree. Most things increase in prices over the years. We all complained when the PS4 required PS+ to play games on line. We all complained when the price went up $10 a year. $5 (for suckers who pay full price) a month is still pretty good IMO. Back in the days of PSN on PS3 the experience was fairly crappy IMO. Online games lagged and disconnected. Chat sucked. I am glad they have improved the service over the years.

I get a lot of value out of both Live (which I got 3 years of at a ridiculously low price) and PSN which I get at a discounted price (who here pays $60 anyway). I can't worry too much about losing games I don't even have a way to play a year out.


The guy's post lays it out clearly. He doesn't care that they're taking away something he never uses, just the fact that they're taking something away. He is losing nothing in a practical sense but that's not gonna get in the way of his whining.

#9505 TheGuardianLegend   What backlog? CAGiversary!   301 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

TheGuardianLegend

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:39 PM

BC has actually gotten stronger. They released four games yesterday - Forza Horizon, Crackdown, Witcher 2 and Fable Anniversary - not just as new BC games but with Xbox One X enhancements with 9x the pixel count and new options for either performance or graphics like a PC game. That’s amazing to me.

Anyway, as far as 360, now that think about the RROD thing and expensive add-ons, they probably weren’t so consumer friendly back then. I did like having BC on it however.

Regardless, it’s all good. Sony has had a killer game line up and MS is doing a lot to make their fans like their ecosystem too. Competition is a win for everyone.


I think we can thank Sony for setting the precident of free “Pro” upgrades. It wouldn’t have been out of the question for them to do a Wii to Wii U pay to upgrade model. Thankfully that didn’t happen and we get the benefits of the more powerful hardware with only paying for the initial investment of the hardware.

#9506 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10829 Posts   Joined 17.3 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:43 PM

I think we can thank Sony for setting the precident of free “Pro” upgrades. It wouldn’t have been out of the question for them to do a Wii to Wii U pay to upgrade model. Thankfully that didn’t happen and we get the benefits of the more powerful hardware with only paying for the initial investment of the hardware.


I agree for games from this gen. I was just blown away with doing it for games from BC. I was happy enough just to get them as BC. I am overjoyed to see them take an additional step of not only adding X enhancements but also adding a new system change for settings for those games. I never expected either one of those.

#9507 nicklesminer   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   58 Posts   Joined 9.4 Years Ago  

nicklesminer

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:44 PM

BC has actually gotten stronger. They released four games yesterday - Forza Horizon, Crackdown, Witcher 2 and Fable Anniversary - not just as new BC games but with Xbox One X enhancements with 9x the pixel count and new options for either performance or graphics like a PC game. That’s amazing to me.

Not entirely true. Forza Horizon, Witcher 2, and Fable Anniversary were all previously bc. They just added xbox one x enhancements to those titles. Crackdown is the only new title there.



#9508 awp   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   10829 Posts   Joined 17.3 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:46 PM

Not entirely true. Forza Horizon, Witcher 2, and Fable Anniversary were all previously bc. They just added xbox one x enhancements to those titles. Crackdown is the only new title there.


You’re right. I’m just amazed to see the X enhancements and settings change for them. That’s going the extra mile IMO.

#9509 AoA   Ace of Aces CAGiversary!   1836 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:46 PM

Alright but still, one Bloodborne is worth more than an infinite amount of the types of PS3 PS Plus titles we've been getting for years now. 

It is not. 

Let's say that Bloodborne and R&C are the ONLY two games we get.  I already have R&C and have no interest in Bloodborne.

This month is a total wash for me.  Many of us already have these great games so giving them for free doesn't help.

Maybe instead they'll give one AAA and one little indie title.  People aren't going to stand for that.

At least with the PSVita (or rare PS3) CrossBuy games, I get another potential PS4 game I can try.

 

If Sony has a large enough install base, they don't need to go out of their way to win more customers with PS+.  People will buy their consoles anyway to play with their friends or play the most popular games.  



#9510 Quagmilion   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   380 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

Quagmilion

Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:52 PM

I just want games that I do not already own, not AAA titles that came out 2 - 3 years ago that most of us already had played by now.