Officially-licensed Data East and Jaleco SNES/NES multi-carts by Retro-Bit for $5 less than MSRP @ Toywiz

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Joe & Mac Collection [SNES]- $29.99 (MSRP $34.99)
https://toywiz.com/jaleco-snes-joe-and-mac-collection-video-game-cartridge-3-games/

Jaleco Brawler's Pack [SNES]- $29.99 (MSRP $34.99)
https://toywiz.com/snes-jaleco-brawlers-pack-video-game-cartridge-4-games/

Data East Classic Collection [SNES]- $29.99 (MSRP $34.99)
https://toywiz.com/snes-data-east-classic-collection-video-game-cartridge-5-games/

Data East All Star Collection [NES]- $24.99 (MSRP $29.99)
https://toywiz.com/nes-data-east-all-star-collection-video-game-cartridge-5-games/
 
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Saw this on ig. Grabbed Joe and mac. Thanks. Came to 40 shipped.

Edit: wow gone already.
 
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Interesting.  I would have bought the Joe and Mac one but it's sold out.

Does anyone know if these are going to get sold elsewhere?

 
Dammit. Missed Joe & Mac. I don’t even recall a third game in the series..

At least I got the other 3. Gotta hope for additional stock when it is released.
 
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Dreamcastguy said:
Interesting. I would have bought the Joe and Mac one but it's sold out.

Does anyone know if these are going to get sold elsewhere?
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Pretty sure they are going to be sold elsewhere as the press release from Retro Bit doesn't mention any exclusivity. I would link to the press release, but their website keeps trying to plant trojans through my browser.

 
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Retro-Bit's website has been compromised for weeks. I would've just wiped the damn thing and rebuilt it from scratch by now.

That said the carts are decent value so I think they're a good deal.

 
I was considering the brawlers pack too but I thought they were all cheap games... Peace keepers is an expensive one. Damn.

So question - for people who are crazy anal about complete sets... Do these count? I see official and licensed in the description.
 
315Retro said:
I was considering the brawlers pack too but I thought they were all cheap games... Peace keepers is an expensive one. Damn.

So question - for people who are crazy anal about complete sets... Do these count? I see official and licensed in the description.
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As a completionist, yes. I’ll never 100% the NES or SNES anyway but I can try. Pissed I missed the SF2 carts. I emailed them a question about it and they never responded and it sold out within a day..


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315Retro said:
I was considering the brawlers pack too but I thought they were all cheap games... Peace keepers is an expensive one. Damn.

So question - for people who are crazy anal about complete sets... Do these count? I see official and licensed in the description.
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No, unless you consider home brew stuff part of a complete set. None of these are licensed by the platform holders (Nintendo).

 
Doomstink said:
No, unless you consider home brew stuff part of a complete set. None of these are licensed by the platform holders (Nintendo).
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So what's the legality if these if they get the OK from the developer (publisher? Whatever I don't know the terms) but don't get the OK from Nintendo? Equivalent to am unlicensed release then?

Aren't they closer to those wisdom tree releases than just being stuffed into a hombrew category?

I'm not one to care anyway, but I admit the "licensed" part is why these have my interest. I wouldn't have paid some random jabroni $40 to make this for me, but when it's (semi) official I really want to support that... Because there's a lot of games I wish they'd re-release like this.
 
They got the rights to sell the games from the IP owners (Jaleco, G-Mode / Data East). The rights owners are getting paid for these games. These are nothing like the shitty unlicensed repro carts you can buy from some dodgy seller at a gaming con.

This release is not licensed by Nintendo, but it's not illegal either because the right people are getting paid for this. Nintendo doesn't make any money off old SNES systems anymore so it's fine.

Rival Turf and Brawl Brothers are sold on the Virtual Console so Nintendo gets their cut there. :p

Japan has a different set of games, including some Culture Brain carts.

 
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Yeah that's what I'm saying. These aren't just repro carts made in China. These have some official capacity, just not sanctioned by Nintendo.

So I think they'd fall more into the wisdom tree/tengen "unlicensed" category rather than homebrew or repro.
 
315Retro said:
Yeah that's what I'm saying. These aren't just repro carts made in China. These have some official capacity, just not sanctioned by Nintendo.

So I think they'd fall more into the wisdom tree/tengen "unlicensed" category rather than homebrew or repro.
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Sure, but if that's the standard you're applying, there are a number of repro creators that do actually get permission from the rights holders. Piko Interactive is one and I know of several others. In the absence of including some new content or unreleased titles, I kind of don't see the point of these releases.

 
Ah I guess I wasn't aware there are other places doing similar things. If you think of any others I'd love to check them out!

Snes is expensive and difficult to me. I dislike emulation and I'm against unauthorized repro for the sake of ownership, but this feels like an affordable grey area I am planning with.
 
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Watch out or these carts will burn your house down. :D

 
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315Retro said:
So what's the legality if these if they get the OK from the developer (publisher? Whatever I don't know the terms) but don't get the OK from Nintendo? Equivalent to am unlicensed release then?

Aren't they closer to those wisdom tree releases than just being stuffed into a hombrew category?

I'm not one to care anyway, but I admit the "licensed" part is why these have my interest. I wouldn't have paid some random jabroni $40 to make this for me, but when it's (semi) official I really want to support that... Because there's a lot of games I wish they'd re-release like this.
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The only legal issue here is the box art for these shows the original Super Nintendo boxes for the games, which contains Nintendo branding.

iam8bit's SFII release breaks the law by using Nintendo's standard SNES cartridge design, which is protected by a design patent. The folks here were smart to do a new cart, but leaving any trace of Nintendo branding on the packaging (however slight) is dangerous.
 
315Retro said:
Yeah that's what I'm saying. These aren't just repro carts made in China. These have some official capacity, just not sanctioned by Nintendo.

So I think they'd fall more into the wisdom tree/tengen "unlicensed" category rather than homebrew or repro.
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I'd like to see the innards, they are most likely the 3.3V blobs on a chip that will generate a lot of heat, as the actual boards and chips people use to make stable repros will actually cut into profit margins.

 
Unlicensed games count unless you want to drop all the Tengen and other unlicensed games from a complete NES list. SNES had a few too, Noah’s Ark is the only one that immediately comes to mind.


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Nintendonly said:
Completionists.
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I don't know, the NES and SNES collectors I know all set different standards for their own collections about what represents a full US collection. I don't know any of them that would count releases this far after the life of the system when the games are just re-release compilations that are not licensed by Nintendo when the original separate releases were. Like I said, there are actually several companies that have released games licensed by the rights holders and continue to do so and most collectors I know still consider them to be homebrews.

 
If it’s a re-release of a game that was originally released on the same system it is absolutely not a homebrew. Hombrew is a new game made from a different game’s assets (ie:Chrono Trigger Crimson Echos) or an entirely new game. These are neither. In fact they are licensed by the original developer which no homebrew ever will be. If anyone counts the SF2 carts as homebrew then they are morons.

At the end of the day games released outside of “normal” means are all up for debate. I consider anything official to be, well, official.
 
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If it’s a re-release of a game that was originally released on the same system it is absolutely not a homebrew. Hombrew is a new game made from a different game’s assets (ie:Chrono Trigger Crimson Echos) or an entirely new game. These are neither. In fact they are licensed by the original developer which no homebrew ever will be. If anyone counts the SF2 carts as homebrew then they are morons.

At the end of the day games released outside of “normal” means are all up for debate. I consider anything official to be, well, official.
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I'm guessing I'm a little older than you and my use of "homebrew" is broader than what you may be used to. In the early days of collecting, a homebrew was simply any game that was released that didn't come from a commercial publisher. On the Atari 2600, for example, there are homebrews that were created by developers who used to work for the big game publishers or maybe even had some of their old work that was finished but never released. It was officially licensed in the sense that they owned the rights, just not by Atari or the original publisher they worked for. Here's a wiki page that explains what a homebrew is and it definitely can be original work or licensed work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600_homebrew

I think what you're really talking about is a "hack" which often involves taking assets from another game and reworking them in some way. In any event, "official" is up for debate as Nintendo didn't manufacture these carts and the only thing that is really licensed is the code. As I've mentioned multiple times, there are a lot of games that have been licensed by the rights holders on not just the NES, but the SNES and many other platforms. What is official or not is in the eye of the collector.

 
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bojay1997 said:
I'm guessing I'm a little older than you and my use of "homebrew" is broader than what you may be used to. In the early days of collecting, a homebrew was simply any game that was released that didn't come from a commercial publisher. On the Atari 2600, for example, there are homebrews that were created by developers who used to work for the big game publishers or maybe even had some of their old work that was finished but never released. It was officially licensed in the sense that they owned the rights, just not by Atari or the original publisher they worked for. Here's a wiki page that explains what a homebrew is and it definitely can be original work or licensed work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600_homebrew

I think what you're really talking about is a "hack" which often involves taking assets from another game and reworking them in some way. In any event, "official" is up for debate as Nintendo didn't manufacture these carts and the only thing that is really licensed is the code. As I've mentioned multiple times, there are a lot of games that have been licensed by the rights holders on not just the NES, but the SNES and many other platforms. What is official or not is in the eye of the collector.
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Is Turrican for Sega Genesis a homebrew? It was published by a commercial publisher but not licensed by Sega.

 
Nintendonly said:
Is Turrican for Sega Genesis a homebrew? It was published by a commercial publisher but not licensed by Sega.
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No, but it was released during the lifetime of the console by a legitimate publisher and it was widely available at retail. Like I have said repeatedly, these new releases are not any different than what Piko interactive or other homebrew publishers have been selling for years. They enter into licensing deals with the original publishers or programmers and have boxes and manuals printed and then sell them direct to collectors. So, feel free to count these as part of your full set or not, but I don't think the fact that this company is selling them on Tozwiz or Play-Asia makes them any more legit than those other releases.

 
While I do like the idea of this, I'm not going down that rabbit hole.  Now if devs started making original games (sequels to nes/snes/genesis titles) I would be all over it.  Hell... I probably would had bought that Street Fighter 2 release had they taken the minimal effort to change even the title screen.

If Nintendo went this route and did something like say make Luigi Is Missing (just change the Mario sprite to Luigi and every instance that says Mario to Luigi, which would be an easy rom hack) they could print money off with those carts... because Nintendo.

 
Christ, could you imagine the sales of a Castlevania X rom hack?  Make Castlevania X play like the 100x better game it should had been, Rondo Of Blood?  I would pay stupid amounts of money for that shit and I even own the original CVX and Rondo.

 
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Kaizou Choujin Shububinman Zero [Shockman Zero] for Super Famicom for $49.97 + free shipping from a US-based eBay seller-

https://m.ebay.com/itm/172956585754?_mwBanner=1

$_57.JPG



How to play Japanese Super Famicom games on a North American SNES-

https://www.google.com/amp/www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Play-Super-Famicom-Games-on-an-American-Sup/%3Famp_page%3Dtrue
 
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I hope they do end up selling these things elsewhere (Gamestop or Amazon).  I'd love to get the Jaleco Brawler's Pack, since Peace Keepers is f'n awesome.

 
Man that shipping is insane. $19? Really? Im waffling on the purchase of these from either retailer. Play-Asia costs more than toywhiz even with their insane shipping fee.


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Prices for the Data East and Joe & Mac collections went up to $32.99 and the NES game went up to $28.99 on Toy Wiz. Still cheaper than MSRP.
 
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