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Star Wars Thread - Episode IX Releasing 12/20/19


#1 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 03:53 PM

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Updating the thread now for the new film, releasing 12/20/2019. Once the film is out, don't read new posts unless you've seen it and/or don't care about spoilers.

 

First teaser trailer:

 



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#2 akathatoneguy   Use your turn signal CAGiversary!   1018 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:03 PM

First!

But seriously, I'll start by giving my overall philosophy on the movie and the series as a whole. There's a lot of crazy shit happening in Star Wars, and a lot of stuff that doesn't really make sense. I think everyone who does or has loved Star Wars knows that and with new films, books, etc. either makes the choice to overlook things or make a big deal of them.

I'll give an example: The Holdo Maneuver. It makes sense to wonder why it's never been done before, but consider that both as the Rebels and the Resistance, resources were always very limited for the "good" side. They're always scrappy groups operating from secret bases that have been thrown together and whatever tech they can find. Also, characters frequently complain about their hyperdrives needing service, going out, etc. It makes me believe that the tech is not only expensive, but often faulty. Finally, something like an X-Wing wouldn't do the damage that the Resistance ship does in XIII to a Star Destroyer or the Death Star, right? So that's good enough for me.

I did have issues with pacing, and like a lot of people I would have liked the movie to have a little more fan-service, as neither the Kylo-Luke fight nor the Finn-Phasma fight came to satisfying conclusions IMO. But that's me being a bit selfish.



#3 captbrannigan  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:19 PM

Theory #1: (Note, the director shot this down already by stating he killed Snoke so Kylo character growth wasn't held back). Snoke was using force projection, like Luke did in the climax, or he has been a dark side ghost this whole time. Luke looked younger when he projected himself, and if you compare images of Snoke from TFA to TLJ he looks younger and less scarred. His line to Kylo to strike down his true enemy sounded like a test to me. He could have been a dark side ghost, as the movie used force ghosts a lot and emphasized the balance between light and dark. Perhaps that's why he could force slam Hux around via "hologram"?

Theory #2: Kylo lied to Rey about her parents, feeding on her fear that her parents were nobodies who abandoned her. I personally like the idea of Rey being a new character, as no one bothers asking who Yoda's parents were or how strong Mace Windu's uncle was in the force.

Misc Improvements: Give Luke his green lightsaber, since it's just an illusion anyways.

Give Benico del Toro a line about losing his pendant in a bet, establishing him as the codebreaker Maz sent them to find.

Have Rose and Finn land on the beach, see the casino, and immediately get arrested. They can talk about war profitteering in jail, and you can even keep the prequel-reminding chase scene. Just cut most of that arc, as the runtime is too long and that section is the weakest.


Overall, I really liked the movie. I especially liked Luke's explanation of the force, and the rebel icon rings and underground resistance.

#4 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

I agree the pacing could have been better. During the casino romp, I was getting Clone Wars vibes and thinking it was silly and just a CG fest. Then the third act started, and I was on the edge of my seat for the rest of the movie.

 

I really, really love the theme of letting go. It's not obvious initially, but Luke casually disposing of his lightsaber is a microcosm of the entire film. Kylo Ren and Yoda both insist that the way forward is to let go of the past, destroy it if you must, with immensely different ways going about it. It's a great example of how the Light and Dark Side complement each other, and the ambiguity in good/evil which has often been absent from past entries in this franchise. Most importantly, our two main leads (Luke and Rey) are struggling with it.

 

Luke insists the Jedi Order must die with him, but has preserved the ancient texts and hesitates when he has the torch. Rey feels distraught and hopeless when she goes looking for answers and only sees herself in the reflection. Kylo / Ben Solo stands down instead of firing on his mother, only for his troops to do it and he becomes more conflicted. Even killing Snoak is a letting-go moment from a storytelling perspective, since we were all probably expecting to learn more about him and for him to be an antagonist throughout these films. It's a slightly nihilistic approach and it is just what the series needed, IMHO.

 

Then there's failure. Everyone is a Fuck-up. Our heroes barely succeed, and they make bad calls.

 

-Finn was going to desert the Rebellion, giving into his own fear.

-Luke gave into fear for a hot second and it ruined everything he had built, driving Ben to the dark side.

-Poe's mutiny is a failure.

-Finn's attempt to disable the tracking system is a failure.

-The transport escape plan essentially fails, with only a fraction surviving.

 

It's all a huge departure from TFA, but also, the theme of conflict is consistent throughout, and it's not just for Ben anymore. It's actually pretty brilliant and way more character depth than I expected from Star Wars. I'm seeing it again next week with my sister, and I'm looking forward to rewatching with all of this in mind.



#5 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 04:47 PM

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Re: Snoak, he was pretty clearly cut in half, whereas Luke's force projection withstood the laser barrage and subsequent crater. I like that Snoak is just a boring old typical evil Sith who we aren't going to spend a lot of time with, a stepping stone for Ben's development.

 

The whole exchange with Snoak to 'strike down your true enemy' was fucking brilliant. Snoak read Ben's intention to strike out and kill his enemy, but misread who that enemy was. Ben likely felt that not only because he wanted to save Rey, but he also saw Snoak as an obstacle to his own desire for power, as he clearly hates being told what to do or second-guessed. He makes for a really complex villain.

 

A friend shared this article, which is a little long, but expands on the point of Kylo being complex and how important that is.

 

https://www.theringe...-movie-villains

 

 

The big-top movie franchises, upon which so much of the scaffolding of the film industry is hanging, have one big problem: The villains suck. Let’s have a quiz. Quickly: What was the name of the villain in Doctor Strange? What about in The Hobbit? How about Justice League, which was released just one month ago? The answer: It doesn’t matter. These characters (Kaecilius, Azog, and Steppenwolf, for the record) make their films feel disposable, like links on a chain tied to an anvil at the bottom of the ocean. Keep following their stories, tracking their continuity, and eventually you’ll drown. In fact, the studios are counting on it. This is not a new problem. For nearly 60 years, James Bond films have subsisted on a rotisserie of malevolent evil geniuses questing to conquer the world because … well, because they want to. Likewise the mythical monsters of J.R.R. Tolkien or Transformers or the villains in The Fast and the Furious series or Mission: Impossible films. What do these villains want? Gold? Power? To take back what they believe to be rightfully theirs? Perhaps. We never really find out. Marvel’s Thanos, billed as the big bad of next summer’s Avengers: Infinity War, is a cosmic warlord affectionately referred to as the Mad Titan—he is purple, portrayed by a CGI-rendered Josh Brolin, and sports a skin-goatee that appears to have been diced by a mandoline. He’s ridiculous, already a joke. Star Wars’ Snoke, like Emperor Palpatine before him, is another manifestation of evil that makes no sense to us—he’s a slimy, scarred, aging creature of unknown origin that small children will describe as “really mean.” He is a cipher of terror, an excuse for the brilliant motion-capture performer Andy Serkis to try out a new snarl. That’s it.



#6 Lord Chabelo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1125 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:06 PM

Misc Improvements: Give Luke his green lightsaber, since it's just an illusion anyways.


I took it as foreshadowing that things were not what they appeared since that lightsaber had already been destroyed. Just like Luke's appearance was off, he looked younger, cleaner, or how Luke left no footstep in the sand or the lightsabers never touched. Luke pulled off the mother of all Jedi mind tricks and Rian Johnson was just dropping hints here and there.

#7 uglyteradon   CAG-tastrophe! CAGiversary!   1089 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:13 PM

I saw it on Friday and then again on Sunday and I thoroughly enjoyed both viewings. I've been reading op-eds and other articles about the movie all weekend and I really enjoyed that Ringer article you posted above. If people were complaining that TFA played it too safe then this movie definitely took enough risks for two films. I'm just going to focus on a the third act from the film instead of trying to evaluate everything all at once.

 

Throne Room Fight Scene:

So that was the best Jedi battle that they've ever shot. The wide pan as the Praetorian Guards surround Rey & Kylo surround them both leading to them just having the type of "laser sword" fight that shows an audience doesn't need CGI flippy stuff. It was really an incredible moment, leading right up to the Kylo asking Rey to join him so they can rule the galaxy together. Kill everything that's old, she "knows" her parents were just a pair of nobodies... take his hand.

 

Holdo (Laura Dern) suicide jump:

I don't think I've ever held my breath during a scene in a movie before but when the movie goes silent and that fleet gets devastated in a single bold stroke. This sort of thing works because Hux and the Imperial fleet believe that the ship is retreating in an attempt to have it followed by them. They had already drawn fire to the shuttles so her ship wasn't going to get bombarded and destroyed once she was close enough for their weapons to actually do damage to the ship. I dunno... I thought it was brilliant but I sort of wish Leia had made that sacrifice now given Carrie's untimely death.

 

The Jedi Texts:

Am I going crazy or did I spot the books on the Falcon at the end of the movie? Finn gets a blanket out for Rose and the books are in that same drawer... right!? I didn't notice it on the first viewing but a friend had mentioned it so I kept my eye open for them. That will be interesting for the third movie to reveal that she has them after Luke believes them to have been destroyed.

 

I understand that I'm just rambling here...



#8 Lord Chabelo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1125 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:13 PM

The whole exchange with Snoak to 'strike down your true enemy' was fucking brilliant. Snoak read Ben's intention to strike out and kill his enemy, but misread who that enemy was. Ben likely felt that not only because he wanted to save Rey, but he also saw Snoak as an obstacle to his own desire for power, as he clearly hates being told what to do or second-guessed. He makes for a really complex villain.

A friend shared this article, which is a little long, but expands on the point of Kylo being complex and how important that is.

https://www.theringe...-movie-villains


Yes, the ambiguity in Snoke's interpretation of Kylo's thoughts was what lead to the big bad guy's fall. No one cared how Palpatine came to power or who the emperor was in ANH, or ESB and those who did care didn't get a full answer in RotJ. We eventually got an answer in the form of the prequel trilogy, books, comics, and video games. I think we will get our answer about Snoke sometime down the line.

#9 Lord Chabelo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1125 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:19 PM

The Jedi Texts:
Am I going crazy or did I spot the books on the Falcon at the end of the movie? Finn gets a blanket out for Rose and the books are in that same drawer... right!? I didn't notice it on the first viewing but a friend had mentioned it so I kept my eye open for them. That will be interesting for the third movie to reveal that she has them after Luke believes them to have been destroyed...


Nope, those wore the texts. I saw them the first time I watched the movie. The second time I watched it, Yoda's line about Rey having all the knowledge she needs (or something like that) makes so much more sense.

#10 braiiins   Braiiins CAGiversary!   925 Posts   Joined 4.4 Years Ago  

Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:24 PM

I really liked the guards in the throne room and their weapons. They reminded me about how frustrated I get whenever the knights of ren are brought up because as far as I remember we've only ever seen them for a couple seconds just standing in a flashback. I feel like they're mentioned so much and we know very little about their backstory or what happened to them. Maybe I just need to pay more attention and missed something?

I hope to see the movie in Imax once it isn't as busy.

#11 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 06:55 PM

Forgot to mention- 

 

Luke's last words to Leia as he carries out what he probably knows will be his final act: "No one is ever really gone." They wrote and filmed that not knowing Carrie Fisher was going to die, but it was the perfect send-off for her. I was so stunned, I almost cried. 

 

Apparently she wrote that scene, too, which means she basically gave a good-old-fashioned Jedi goodbye. 



#12 MrRidickulous   Deal skeptic! CAGiversary!   1572 Posts   Joined 4.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:08 PM

I read most responses but some are past my limit of length for reading a forum post.  I'll start by saying I really enjoyed the movie and consider myself a lover of great movies, obscure, indie, etc.

 

I feel like the majority of things that the Last Jedi director did, allowed each character to become multi-dimensional and deeper, which I greatly enjoyed.  So Kylo Ren isn't just completely horrible, Luke Skywalker isn't some ready to be Obi Wan Kenobi character, Finn wants to quit and escape when things get tough, Poe goes against his own leadership, and so on.  The jokes were funny, Leia's comment about her hair, Rey asking Kylo Ren to put on a shirt, the stupid furry things shaming Chewie.  I had a lot of fun in the movie, I didn't want it to end and I greatly enjoyed it.



#13 captbrannigan  

captbrannigan

Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:30 PM

It's also worth mentioning that critic's reviews and CinemaScores (polls taken of people exiting the theater) both rated the movie basically 9/10. The bad "user reviews" could be from people that never even watched the movie. Everyone I've talked to had a mostly positive outlook.

#14 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:01 PM

For me the film felt off, in the sense that Star Wars has always been about grand adventures and was more about the journey than the characters necessarily. I tend to enjoy films more at a surface level than dig really deep for hidden meaning or character motives, etc so I feel like this was more a film for people that like to dissect a story/character rather than just enjoy the ride.

 

That said, I find most of the new cast to be incredibly boring and hollow, with no real time to build them up since they have to share the screen with old, established heroes that continue to steal the spotlight. Poe, Finn and his new "girlfriend", all fall flat because we're too focused on the past characters, that as pointed out, are finally being let go of as a theme. Rey and Kylo are the exception to this, but the movies move so fast we barely have a chance to get a sense for what they've been through in the past.

 

On that note while Luke may be an impulsive person, I found his moment of weakness to be very jammed into a plot point for the sake of connecting the dots. It's plausible, but just didn't sit right with me. Luke's depressed mood tends to be in tune with the film's and made it hard to really enjoy what little adventure there was to be had. I get it. The rebel's have had it relatively easy for a "rebellion" up to this point and had to finally be knocked down a few pegs for there to be a true resistance. I just felt this one focused a little too much on the downswing and forgot to just have fun exploring the galaxy. That's also why I felt like the humor was a little different this time around and at times a little over the top but understandably so to lighten the mood.

 

All in all, still better than Rogue One but I'm still waiting for an epic to parallel Empire Strikes Back. I just hope we can expect more Porg greatness in the next film because Chewwy and those damn little birds are the sole reason I'm looking forward to a Lego game. :)



#15 w00dm4nEXE  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:48 PM

With this being the 9th Star Wars movie they needed to keep it fresh and give us something new.

They did jam pack it with "suicide" runs/missions/acts/etc which seemed to happen on both sides.

I like what they did with Rey where it felt like you can be a nobody and become a somebody.

 

I liked it, I think they can go places and do things that'll keep the Star Wars saga going long after the Marvel Age dies out.



#16 captbrannigan  

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:40 PM

I like what they did with Rey where it felt like you can be a nobody and become a somebody.

I felt like they really hit that home with the little kid at the end who uses the force to pick his broom up. You don't have to be the son of the big bad to be a hero.

I still think Kylo was trying to manipulate Rey, so I think there's some wiggle room to make Rey's parents someone already established. I hope they don't tho.

I do wish they had answered more of the questions raised in TFA, specifically what is Rey's real name? Rey is the name on the helmet she wore for funsies in TFA, and it seems pretty absurd to presume she found a helmet with her name on it.

#17 darthbster31   Herpaderp CAGiversary!   109 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 12:14 AM

I was disappointed, but I need to watch it again. The pacing was just off to me (space chase, Rey's "training", casino side quest), and Finn and Poe's arcs didn't do it for me. Finn had basically the same arc as TFA, just less screen time and there is no sense of chemistry between he and Rose. Seems like they're still leaving relationship possibilities open between Finn and Rose, Rey or Poe. Feels almost like mass effect! 😂 Poe could've been privy to the plan from the start and his failed mutiny wouldn't have even happened. And wtf with Phasma and Snoke? I know, they're trying to build Kylo's arc with Snoke dying but come on, I wanted to know more about him and the knights of Ren. Phasma is more useless to this story than Boba Fett to the OT.

I can appreciate the nuance and character flaws that Rian was going for, but dammit I also just wanted to see Jedi master Luke wreck some people. His force projection scene was awesome, but then having him just die like that...ugh. I still believe Rey has something more to her bloodline than is being disclosed. She's way too powerful to just be a nobody child of drunks, and it really weakens her believability as a character if Kylo was telling the truth.

#18 M2003  

Posted 21 December 2017 - 02:56 AM

I agree it didn't feel 100% like a star wars movie, the canto side quest was a waste of time since it didn't amount to anything, maybe to set up broom kid? haha and there wasn't any fan service but still I really enjoyed it a lot. It sits pretty high on my SW list.

I still believe Rey has something more to her bloodline than is being disclosed. She's way too powerful to just be a nobody child of drunks, and it really weakens her believability as a character if Kylo was telling the truth.

Why can't she be a nobody? people are born more stronger/powerful than others. Just like in the jedi order. there wasn't any lineage. they were taken from a young age from random families and trained and some were stronger than others. Rey just happens to be strong in the force plus the force always tries to be balanced so there's has to be a counter balance to kylo.



#19 darthbster31   Herpaderp CAGiversary!   109 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:47 AM

Yeah, I think that's what Rian is ultimately going for, but it just feels cheap to me. She has less training than Luke but she's potentially going to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Meh.

#20 Lord Chabelo   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1125 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:05 AM

Yeah, I think that's what Rian is ultimately going for, but it just feels cheap to me. She has less training than Luke but she's potentially going to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Meh.



#21 Darkforce92  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 11:49 AM

Very disappointed with the movie especially I loved TFA.



#22 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 21 December 2017 - 03:35 PM

Yeah, I think that's what Rian is ultimately going for, but it just feels cheap to me. She has less training than Luke but she's potentially going to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy? Meh.

Lol that is for the sake of not retreading old ground I think, but it does raise eyebrows. This is where more backstory and explanation was needed because it's just not believable to most people that she can just be a naturally born Jedi. Oh and don't get me started on the Trials. She can be a Jedi yet never having actually trained or taken the traditional trials or learned to control her fear. . .riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. These movies just kinda shit on all the Jedi lore lol.



#23 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 05:53 PM

I'm dying.

 

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#24 akathatoneguy   Use your turn signal CAGiversary!   1018 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 December 2017 - 11:30 PM

Lol that is for the sake of not retreading old ground I think, but it does raise eyebrows. This is where more backstory and explanation was needed because it's just not believable to most people that she can just be a naturally born Jedi. Oh and don't get me started on the Trials. She can be a Jedi yet never having actually trained or taken the traditional trials or learned to control her fear. . .riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. These movies just kinda shit on all the Jedi lore lol.

Well, to be fair, they were kind of written into a corner from the beginning, as by the end of Ep IV you have two Sith and one Jedi alive and by the end of RotJ you're down to one Jedi with a supposedly Force-sensitive sister. They're going to have to build up the ranks somehow  and in the meantime, you don't really have the resources available to give Jedi the training they used to receive back when they were thriving. So should they just have Kylo and Rey be weak or just explain that they're both just really gifted naturally and move on?

I think that the way they've started is debatably more interesting than taking us 30 years into the future and Luke has a successful school, there are 5-10 fully trained Jedi running around, etc.

I think if anything, it would have been cool for TFA to begin with Kylo Ren as the heir apparent to Luke and show his turn. It would take away some reveals later on and he and Rey would have to be similar age, but it would have been a cool way to do it.

Ultimately though, I'm happy with how it's gone so far.



#25 ubiquetous  

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 02:41 AM

I enjoyed The Last Jedi quite a bit. Not everything was perfect but overall I liked where it went.

I particularly did't like how the Finn Rose connection felt forced. It felt like some higher up in corporate read/reviewed the script and Said "But there's no love story. We need a love story." So the writer(s) made it happen.

Any way on to one of the topics I really wanted to get to ...

On Force Sensitivity And Rey’s Genetics
Spoiler


#26 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 22 December 2017 - 02:36 PM

Right, but Luke still trained under a master and completed his trial by facing his father. Rey has just skipped to the end it seems and that's just silly to me. But yes, for the sake of not wasting time or retreading old ground, they're just accelerating her's and Kylo's story to match the pace of these new films.



#27 gamegirlpocket   hope rides alone CAGiversary!   2293 Posts   Joined 3.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 03:34 PM

The Finn/Rose thing did feel forced, even if I don't mind Rose as a character.

 

After listening to the spoiler CAGCast, I do agree it was silly that they could send a ship out on a mission to Casio Planet but not 1) get fuel or 2) find more help or send distress signals. What would have been cooler:

 

if Finn actually left in an escape pod before shit goes totally awry, picks up Poe's distress signal, and comes back to help. Rose could have gone with him, they could still have an adventure. It would have just felt more logical in terms of the conflicts happening in the film.



#28 ubiquetous  

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 04:16 PM

Right, but Luke still trained under a master and completed his trial by facing his father. Rey has just skipped to the end it seems and that's just silly to me. But yes, for the sake of not wasting time or retreading old ground, they're just accelerating her's and Kylo's story to match the pace of these new films.

Have to disagree.

Luke is now a Jedi master. At the end of episode V / beginning of episode VI Luke is Jedi Knight Luke. In fact when he returns to Yoda he thinks he needs more training to become a Jedi. Not quite sure when he officially becomes Jedi Master Luke. The end of Episode VI after he assists Vader in turning? Sometime between VI and VII when he is ready to take on his first student? But he is clearly a Jedi Master by the time Rey joins him. That's where Rey gets her training from a master. I will admit that I don't think this was fleshed out very well in the movie. I was expecting Rey to fail to raise the X-wing out of the water, and then Luke to show her how. A kind of redemption moment for Luke / look how far he's come moment. The Last Jedi failed to put Rey's training on the level of Yoda training Luke.

Just as Luke went to the dark part of Degobah so Rey goes to the dark sink hole on Ahch-To. When Luke strikes down his vision of Vader it is his own face revealed beneath the mask. Perhaps this means he is afraid of being like Vader. Or perhaps it's a visual reference to their father-son connection. It's interesting that when Rey has her vision in the sink hole she again sees herself as Luke saw himself during his vision. The similarity here, IMHO, is that in general a Jedi must learn that they are not 100% light but must control their dark side in order maximize their connection to the light side of the force. Failing to do so leads to the dark side [or perhaps in Luke's case enough to lose a student to the dark side]. I believe this conquering of one's personal dark side is a profound turning point for a Jedi in general and in a very personal sense.

Facing Kylo was her test. Kylo made the same offer Vader made to Luke - join me and together we will rule the galaxy. Luke gives her a warning just as Yoda gave Luke a warning when he leaves to face Vader. And so Rey is now Jedi Knight Rey. The texts will help make her Jedi Master Rey.

#29 Jodou   Infamous CAGiversary!   14233 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 23 December 2017 - 06:56 PM

I will admit that I don't think this was fleshed out very well in the movie.

See, that's exactly my point as I don't feel like Rey really trained under Luke. It was kinda like she already knew what to do and was just going through the motions.

 

I think what fucks with everything the most is the conflicting passage of time presented. We have Rey off on another world and "training" which should believably take weeks, if not months, then leaving to face Kylo puts her on the same timeline as the events elsewhere. Yet we have this space race going where a Mon Calamari Cruiser is running out of fuel very quickly. That and Finn/Rose's sidequest might be a few days at best, so all of them meeting up after shit goes down means that Rey wasn't gone long at all.

 

So basically the movie is telling me that Rey finds Luke, talks about shit, trains, goes down a rabbit hole, steals the Jedi texts, and faces her trial -- all in the span of a few days. Yeah, fucking bullshit lol.



#30 ubiquetous  

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 09:51 PM

See, that's exactly my point as I don't feel like Rey really trained under Luke. It was kinda like she already knew what to do and was just going through the motions.

I think what fucks with everything the most is the conflicting passage of time presented. We have Rey off on another world and "training" which should believably take weeks, if not months, then leaving to face Kylo puts her on the same timeline as the events elsewhere. Yet we have this space race going where a Mon Calamari Cruiser is running out of fuel very quickly. That and Finn/Rose's sidequest might be a few days at best, so all of them meeting up after shit goes down means that Rey wasn't gone long at all.

So basically the movie is telling me that Rey finds Luke, talks about shit, trains, goes down a rabbit hole, steals the Jedi texts, and faces her trial -- all in the span of a few days. Yeah, fucking bullshit lol.

Agreed span of time was not well done. It wasn't the same as when Luke left to train, everybody else went off to do their thing, and then Luke sensed his friends were in danger and felt he had to leave to help.

But given this, it must be an equivalent level of bullshit that with 0 training Rey force pulls a light sabre and defeats Kylo, who trained under Luke for months/years and trained under Snoke, in a light saber battle without ever having wielded one before in TFA.